Kirk Herbstreit/ no football

[JaCrispy]

50 minutes ago, Augie said:

How cruel would THAT be??? I’ve not looked forward to a season more than this in over a quarter of a century!!!

Well, we are Bills fans...we should know by now that we aren’t allowed nice things...?

[atlbillsfan1975]

32 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

What do you want to bet?

I really believe there will be. Baseball and basketball is coming back sooner than later. 

Edited March 27, 2020 by atlbillsfan1975

[njbuff]

Well, if there isn’t a big handle on this virus by June, we are much more screwed as a country than worrying about playing football.

[zonabb]

1 hour ago, Mrbojanglezs said:

This statement is not based on any facts

If I want a fact-free breakdown of anything, I'd watch Fox News and drumpf's daily lie conference.

 

This is going well into the summer, easy. We've taken few of the precautions other country's have. Wuhan is reopening April 8. It was in total lock down for 11 weeks. No state or city has taken that drastic step. So we'll see a peak long after the initial cases. We'll see a slow decline in cases and we'll see major lags in cases as it makes it's way around the country from big cities to small and rural areas. 

 

So I'd bet no OTAs, no minicamps, and best cases a delayed training camp and season start. 

 

 

[Nelius]

13 minutes ago, Cheektowaga Chad said:

I don't see how there wouldn't be a season unless this corona is worse than what they're telling us

 

 

It's very bad. This is pretty clearly now the worst pandemic since 1918. 268 US deaths so far today, another new high. Also another new high worldwide - https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[3rdnlng]

20 minutes ago, Nelius said:

 

I fear the fact that this thing is now running rampant in New Orleans is evidence that this is unfortunately not seasonal. Warm climates are watching cases explode as well. This very well could be life until there's a vaccine.

Warm weather tends to suppress viruses.

[Nelius]

Just now, 3rdnlng said:

Warm weather tends to suppress viruses.

 

I know, but my point is that this particular virus is not being suppressed in New Orleans right now, which was 82 degrees today.

 

Unless hundreds of new cases per day is suppression, in which case, yikes.

[GunnerBill]

1 hour ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

China tried opening up basketball after 4 months and had to shut down due to an outbreak.

 

The problem with the virus is its not going away until we have something to fight it other than social distancing. 

 

It's very likely football doesn't start in September.

 

I feel like September could possibly be a realistic back to normal point. The problem if you are going straight into a season on the back of nothing. Will be interesting for sure. 

[GunnerBill]

16 minutes ago, atlbillsfan1975 said:

I really believe there will be. Baseball and basketball is coming back sooner than later. 

 

It isn't. It is done for this year. 

[Mark Vader]

I think it's still too early to say that football will be cancelled this season.

 

Let's see how things look in June.

[Logic]

I know someone already said it in this thread, but...

 

The fact that the Bills are the best they’ve been in decades and are FINALLY favored to win their division again, not to mention Brady finally leaving the East...and THIS happens to be the year the NFL may not have a season?! 

 

Oy. God must be a Pats fan ?

[Cheektowaga Chad]

7 minutes ago, Nelius said:

 

It's very bad. This is pretty clearly now the worst pandemic since 1918. 268 US deaths so far today, another new high. Also another new high worldwide - https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

By worse than what they are telling us, I meant worse than what you linked to

 

If the shut down/quarantine goes past the summer, we will be talking about cities being war zones, entire cities would be homeless. We are talking collapse of society as we know it. We are talking much worse than corona. Like people being murdered for a glass of water type bad

[Punching Bag]

11 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said:

Warm weather tends to suppress viruses.

 

Warm dry weather suppresses SOME viruses because their lifetime tends to shorten.  It depends on structure of virus.

Warm moist weather not so much.

Was biology major when I went to college and we did experiment showing this.

[SirAndrew]

If this doesn’t go away by football season most of the country will have been infected anyway, so the season might as go on at that point. With the rate it’s spreading at this point, by summer that would be a significant portion of the population. There would be a “herd immunity” by that point imo. It’s a scary virus, so I’m not marginalizing the seriousness and damage it will cause, but it doesn’t look to be slowing much, so how will society be stopped months from now after almost everybody has had it ? 

Edited March 27, 2020 by SirAndrew

[skibum]

A season is definitely not guaranteed. It's absolutely within the realm of possibility that big events are shut down for 12-18 months. 

[Punching Bag]

5 minutes ago, Logic said:

I know someone already said it in this thread, but...

 

The fact that the Bills are the best they’ve been in decades and are FINALLY favored to win their division again, not to mention Brady finally leaving the East...and THIS happens to be the year the NFL may not have a season?! 

 

Oy. God must be a Pats fan ?

 

No Satan is and probably is silent partner in New England.

[Nelius]

12 minutes ago, Cheektowaga Chad said:

By worse than what they are telling us, I meant worse than what you linked to

 

If the shut down/quarantine goes past the summer, we will be talking about cities being war zones, entire cities would be homeless. We are talking collapse of society as we know it. We are talking much worse than corona. Like people being murdered for a glass of water type bad

 

I'm not exactly following. This is unprecedented territory. What I linked to is pretty awful. I think 300+ US dead per day and counting is already terrible and it will get worse, but I don't think we're going to start murdering each other in the streets any time soon. My community is stepping up big time already with helping the poor, hungry, etc. This is a huge deal, but I don't think society is going to collapse if it continues for months, which it will. We just may not be able to watch some football.

 

Remember, there is no real current food or water shortage despite the grocery store hoarding. That's just idiots hoarding. If people just stay the eff inside and watch some TV we should be able to minimize the impact. Worst case scenario is that it's life for 12-18 months until there's a vaccine.

Edited March 27, 2020 by Nelius

[Motor26]

9 minutes ago, Cheektowaga Chad said:

By worse than what they are telling us, I meant worse than what you linked to

 

If the shut down/quarantine goes past the summer, we will be talking about cities being war zones, entire cities would be homeless. We are talking collapse of society as we know it. We are talking much worse than corona. Like people being murdered for a glass of water type bad

Essential businesses are still running. And pretty much everything is considered “essential.” Only thing truly closed is restaraunts and bars and even those have takeout open. 

[Cheektowaga Chad]

2 minutes ago, Nelius said:

 

I'm not exactly following. This is unprecedented territory. What I linked to is pretty awful. I think 300+ US dead per day and counting is already terrible and it will get worse, but I don't think we're going to start murdering each other in the streets any time soon. My community is stepping up big time already with helping the poor, hungry, etc. This is a huge deal, but I don't think society is going to collapse if it continues for months, which it will. We just may not be able to watch some football.

 

Remember, there is no real food or water shortage despite the grocery store hoarding.

I'm agreeing this is bad ha, I think if it lasts into the fall that its worse than what we know which is very bad

[BobbyC81]

1 hour ago, Cal said:

It should be. Will affect OTAs and training camp though. The NBA and NHL should cancel the season and not try to come back. Its going to be about 4 months till we are back to some normal imo

And then, as with the Spanish flu of 1918, the virus could mutate and return with a vengeance in the fall and winter.

[Nelius]

2 minutes ago, ColeB said:

And then, as with the Spanish flu of 1918, the virus could mutate and return with a vengeance in the fall and winter.

 

OK that's worse than my worst case scenario. Scary

Edited March 27, 2020 by Nelius

[SirAndrew]

5 minutes ago, ColeB said:

And then, as with the Spanish flu of 1918, the virus could mutate and return with a vengeance in the fall and winter.

I hope it miraculously disappears altogether, and the Spanish flu was no joke, but going away for the summer is almost best case scenario at this point. At least we’d have a little time to prepare for the next round. Otherwise, we’re just stuck with it until a vaccine comes around, and that’s not nearly going to happen soon enough. 

Edited March 27, 2020 by SirAndrew

[Logic]

20 minutes ago, Cheektowaga Chad said:

By worse than what they are telling us, I meant worse than what you linked to

 

If the shut down/quarantine goes past the summer, we will be talking about cities being war zones, entire cities would be homeless. We are talking collapse of society as we know it. We are talking much worse than corona. Like people being murdered for a glass of water type bad

 Oh for chrissakes. THIS seems like reasonable and well informed conjecture. ?

[BobbyC81]

1 minute ago, SirAndrew said:

I hope it miraculously disappears altogether, and the Spanish flu was no joke, but going away for the summer is almost best case scenario at this point. At least we’d have a little time to prepare for the next round. 

Hopefully with someone other than the Orange Man occupying that big white house.

[Happy]

It's way too early to come to this conclusion.  I'm sure the higher ups in college and NFL may have this thought come across their mind, but I doubt they're ready to cancel their seasons.  Surprising this is coming from Kirk.

[Andy1]

My opinion - It’s worse than we know. The country will eventually come back to life in stages after the spike in cases goes down in those areas. Summer may help. But it will not be normal activity - we will be working with social distancing limits which means no group sports and no fans in stands. Until vaccine or effective treatment comes along, no football and that stinks.

[JohnC]

1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said:

Herbie has been pretty erratic with his comments. The other day he RTd one of Clay Travis’s tweets which is the complete opposite side of that spectrum. It’s ok to have that opinion if he does. But espn may need to reel him in a bit. 

Whether he is simply giving an opinion or not it is not implausible that sports, all spectator sports, might have to be put on pause until this virus is contained by a vaccine. And from what the experts are indicating that might be a year or so away. There certainly is a contamination risk that can exponentially spread if only a small percentage of an attending crowd were infected with the virus, even if asymptomatic. This is a tough and complicated issue. 

[Nester]

I think there is very little chance for a season. 

 

When they are back the landscape will have completely changed. 

Retires, out of shape, Virus victims and perhaps 2 Drafts. 

 

There are reports that even getting over the virus leaves long term damage to the respiratory system. I imagine that would have a big impact on a top tier athlete. 

 

If they cancel the season do they still pay players? What does fully guaranteed even mean in this context?

What do players do if they lived paycheck to paycheck ? like they say some do on ESPN 30 for 30? 

Could teams go under with no revenue and still having to pay salary and leases? 

Owners may not the same luxury of cash flow from other business. 

 

Interesting times. 

[BobbyC81]

17 minutes ago, Nelius said:

 

I'm not exactly following. This is unprecedented territory. What I linked to is pretty awful. I think 300+ US dead per day and counting is already terrible and it will get worse, but I don't think we're going to start murdering each other in the streets any time soon. My community is stepping up big time already with helping the poor, hungry, etc. This is a huge deal, but I don't think society is going to collapse if it continues for months, which it will. We just may not be able to watch some football.

 

Remember, there is no real current food or water shortage despite the grocery store hoarding. That's just idiots hoarding. If people just stay the eff inside and watch some TV we should be able to minimize the impact. Worst case scenario is that it's life for 12-18 months until there's a vaccine.

Does anyone have confidence in our leaders to know how to properly administer the distribution of a vaccine?  Many people believe the flu shot gives them the flu so they don’t bother getting it.  The way it’s going with this virus, just about everybody will want the vaccine.  That’s 330 million people.  It could be chaos.  The privileged may be first in line.

[aristocrat]

If they can figure out more effective treatments and get people out of hospitals and healthy this thing will be over quicker.  

[RaoulDuke79]

1 hour ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

China tried opening up basketball after 4 months and had to shut down due to an outbreak.

 

The problem with the virus is its not going away until we have something to fight it other than social distancing. 

 

It's very likely football doesn't start in September.

Then we need to flatten the curve as they say and do controlled exposures while working on a vaccination. This ***** can't dictate how we live any longer than necessary. 

[BuffaloRebound]

Most cities only shutdown 3 weeks for the Spanish flu.  There were also millions dying in Europe at the same time from the war, so death was almost commonplace. Not saying the orange man is right because all he cares about are his re-election chances, but it will be interesting to see how this all plays out.  Entirely possible that football doesn’t happen this fall.  Much easier to quarantine 10 basketball players and play in empty arenas than it is for football to do the same.  

[Just Joshin']

23 minutes ago, ColeB said:

And then, as with the Spanish flu of 1918, the virus could mutate and return with a vengeance in the fall and winter.

...or if might not.  He has no facts of expertise to make that statement.  No one knows what the outcome will be. If the mass of media thinks the worst, then bet against them.

[BillsfaninSB]

Still holding out hope football will happen some way.   I’m sure it will be delayed to some degree.   Hockey, basketball, golf, tennis and baseball are done for sure. 

[SirAndrew]

Just now, Just Joshin' said:

...or if might not.  He has no facts of expertise to make that statement.  No one knows what the outcome will be. If the mass of media thinks the worst, then bet against them.

Yep, no one really knows anything about how this will turn out. Sadly, that doesn’t everyone from running their month. People can’t live without answers, and the reality is answers don’t exist. 

[billsfan89]

Just now, Just Joshin' said:

...or if might not.  He has no facts of expertise to make that statement.  No one knows what the outcome will be. If the mass of media thinks the worst, then bet against them.

 

I tend to listen to what health experts and scientists are saying. And they are worried in the short term about flattening the curve so that health services are less overwhelmed while long term there are so many projections that could be both bad and less bad. Hope for the best prepare for the worst. I do hope that we have football and a sense of normalcy by September. 

[RaoulDuke79]

46 minutes ago, Logic said:

I know someone already said it in this thread, but...

 

The fact that the Bills are the best they’ve been in decades and are FINALLY favored to win their division again, not to mention Brady finally leaving the East...and THIS happens to be the year the NFL may not have a season?! 

 

Oy. God must be a Pats fan ?

Same with Liverpool soccer. 

[SirAndrew]

Just now, billsfan89 said:

 

I tend to listen to what health experts and scientists are saying. And they are worried in the short term about flattening the curve so that health services are less overwhelmed while long term there are so many projections that could be both bad and less bad. Hope for the best prepare for the worst. I do hope that we have football and a sense of normalcy by September. 

That is correct, but all the experts know is we need to flatten the curve not to overwhelm the healthcare system. That is a fact, and it would save countless lives. What they don’t know is how this will end. 

[JohnC]

2 minutes ago, RaoulDuke79 said:

Then we need to flatten the curve as they say and do controlled exposures while working on a vaccination. This ***** can't dictate how we live any longer than necessary. 

What do you mean by controlled exposures?

 

As it stands we don't even know what percentage of the population is infected with the virus. If people behave responsibly and follow the guidelines the curve certainly can be flattened. But what happens if someone is asymptomatic and the virus is dormant and for some reason it is activated? What makes this virus more frightening and dangerous than the generic flu is that it so highly contagious. You can go from containing this virus and then in quick order have it re-ignite and exponentially infect others. 

 

This is a complicated and inflammable issue that can alter the way we live for a very long time. 

[atlbillsfan1975]

50 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

It isn't. It is done for this year. 

Is this a fact or your opinion?