Melvin Gordon to Broncos

[DrDawkinstein]

5 minutes ago, whatdrought said:

I mean... hypothetically If it is true, this is some *****... 

 

guy tanks his value by holding out because the Chargers refuse to pay him what the whole world knows he isn’t worth, then he plays like garbage for them when he comes back, they don’t want him, he then chooses less money so he can “stick it to them” twice a year.... 

 

super strange flex..

 

He's hardly the only player to have issues with the way the Chargers treat their players.

[Like A Mofo]

1 minute ago, BuffaloBills1998 said:

It was reported that it was close. But thinking about it now I think he wanted to stay in the AFC west 

 

Im thinking it was a leverage play. Singletary is our guy for the next few years the Bills will need a QB who is ok being second fiddle and I never saw Gordon having that mentality

[DJB]

I'm glad the Bill's didnt pay that

[YoloinOhio]

4 minutes ago, BuffaloBills1998 said:

If we payed Gordon what he got from Denver I highly doubt he would be a back up to Singletary 

Right. Bills wouldn’t be interested in him at that price point 

 

[AlCowlingsTaxiService]

48 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

Good. We have our RB. 

It’s the modern NFL. We need more than one who can contribute effectively. 

[DJB]

Well onto the L Miller, D Freeman and C Hyde watch thread lol

[PIZ]

11 minutes ago, 947 said:

Totally agree on Taylor & Dobbins, they're both much better than Melvin Gordon & can be had in the 2nd round. I like Clyde, but he's too much like Singletary to a be complimentary back to him.

 

I know, but I REALLY like Clyde's attitude, talent, and running style. Joe Burrow said he was the best player on LSU.

[BillsCelticsAngelsBama]

1 hour ago, DrDawkinstein said:

Fine! I didnt want him anyways! (until i heard he wasnt coming to Buffalo)

But I'm sure that if we sign another RB he will be just what the "We're doomed" crowd likes to bring up ---> Great special teamer, good locker room presence

[1ManRaid]

6 minutes ago, DJB said:

Well onto the L Miller, D Freeman and C Hyde watch thread lol

Darn, I was hoping this was the end of the "hey I know that name let's get him" circus.

[BillsFan17]

So, maybe, at the very least we can see where the Bills head is at. Maybe it's like Olsen where it was more a viable option due to availability not necessity. Would have been awesome to add a talent like Gordon, sure, but there are plenty of options.

[njbuff]

49 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

RB2 in the 2nd round? Why?

 

It's probably the top need, but I guess the Bills will go BPA with the top pick regardless of position.

[Starr Almighty]

I would of given him 2 years 16m. This would of changed the offense big time

[YoloinOhio]

6 minutes ago, njbuff said:

 

It's probably the top need, but I guess the Bills will go BPA with the top pick regardless of position.

I don’t think they will draft for need. But if they did it is CB2 imo in the 2nd. Much easier to find a decent RB2 later in the draft or out of the remaining guys in FA

[Billl]

1 hour ago, MAJBobby said:

The Frank Gore replacement should come in the draft or a cheap deal on a RB like a Hyde. 
 

 

I will never understand the Carlos Hyde fascination this place has.  What makes so many here pine for a 30 year old journeyman RB who was just released in favor of Shady McCoy?

[SCBills]

I wanted Gordon but I’m firmly in the “stop paying running backs big money” camp, so this certainly would have been a catch 22 signing.  
 

Definitely did not see him getting a contract like that.  

[Billl]

1 hour ago, JR in Pittsburgh said:

but those healthy legs only take him about 3.4 yards at a time!  ?

YPC is about the least important stat that still gets heavily used.  In the last 4 seasons, Gordon has played in 53 games.  He has scored 47 TDs and averages 100 yards of offense per game.  He can block.  He can catch.  He can run.  He can get the tough yards.  Most importantly, he can score.  Unless you want to watch Josh continue to take hits in short yard situations, you need a guy who can do what Gordon does, because there’s currently nobody on the roster who can.

[YoloinOhio]

 

[LABILLBACKER]

2 hours ago, buffaloboyinATL said:

bummer. I was kind of hoping we were getting him.  Now maybe the draft is the best option?  Unless of course we trade for Derrick Henry.  

The draft was always the best option. No to Gordon. No to Gurley and no to Henry. Plenty of quality rbs who you can draft and have for 5 seasons. 

[BillsFan17]

1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

The dudes over at the draft network have been absolutely awesome, especially in times like these, pumping out content!

 

I honestly like the fit for Gordon in Denver. PL is a very good back, but Gordon adds a different dynamic.

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

6 minutes ago, Billl said:

YPC is about the least important stat that still gets heavily used.  In the last 4 seasons, Gordon has played in 53 games.  He has scored 47 TDs and averages 100 yards of offense per game.  He can block.  He can catch.  He can run.  He can get the tough yards.  Most importantly, he can score.  Unless you want to watch Josh continue to take hits in short yard situations, you need a guy who can do what Gordon does, because there’s currently nobody on the roster who can.

 

I hear ya. But I have little doubt that you can get a guy like Gordon in the 5th or 6th round of the draft for a fraction of what the Broncos just paid for Gordon. 

 

I also want Singletary getting the majority of the carries. So, we are really looking for a complimentary, load-share RB more than anything. 

[Billl]

15 minutes ago, JR in Pittsburgh said:

 

I hear ya. But I have little doubt that you can get a guy like Gordon in the 5th or 6th round of the draft for a fraction of what the Broncos just paid for Gordon. 

 

I also want Singletary getting the majority of the carries. So, we are really looking for a complimentary, load-share RB more than anything. 

Maybe, but this is a playoff team.  Are you comfortable lining up third and goal from the four down by 4 points with a minute left and a rookie sixth round pick in the backfield?  I’d feel much better with a Gordon or Gurley who are proven TD machines.

[DCOrange]

8 minutes ago, Billl said:

Maybe, but this is a playoff team.  Are you comfortable lining up third and goal from the four down by 4 points with a minute left and a rookie sixth round pick in the backfield?  I’d feel much better with a Gordon or Gurley who are proven TD machines.

 

If we're trying to stack the line and run it in from 4 yards out on 3rd down we probably deserve to lose anyways. Allen is probably more likely to run it in than either of them are too. I personally wouldn't be looking for a short yardage specialist if it were me. If we bring someone in that happens to be good at that in addition to other more valuable aspects, then sure.

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

24 minutes ago, Billl said:

Maybe, but this is a playoff team.  Are you comfortable lining up third and goal from the four down by 4 points with a minute left and a rookie sixth round pick in the backfield?  I’d feel much better with a Gordon or Gurley who are proven TD machines.

 
but is that worth $16M/2 years? 
 

I agree that we need to address the backup RB spot, but there is a $ ceiling on that, in my view. 
 

this is from Barnwell today, and I agree with it:

 

If Gordon fixes the fumble problem, stays healthy and runs and catches passes efficiently in the way he has once across his five seasons, the Broncos will get a solid return on their deal here. Instead, in the process of signing Gordon, they're diminishing the role of Phillip Lindsay, who has been more efficient than Gordon over the past two years. The Broncos want to keep Lindsay's workload down and will likely swap Gordon into the lineup for Royce Freeman, but the back half of a running back rotation isn't something the Broncos should be giving $13.5 million guaranteed, especially with their needs elsewhere. It might be generous to suggest Gordon is a league-average back, which is something Denver didn't need to prioritize.

Edited March 20, 2020 by JR in Pittsburgh

[CSBill]

1 hour ago, DJB said:

Well onto the L Miller, D Freeman and C Hyde watch thread lol

 

yuuup

[MAJBobby]

1 hour ago, Billl said:

I will never understand the Carlos Hyde fascination this place has.  What makes so many here pine for a 30 year old journeyman RB who was just released in favor of Shady McCoy?

I don't want him either get me a UDFA or late round RB.  But seeing EVERYONE seems to love RBs around here and want one signed.  Get me a cheap one

2 hours ago, AlCowlingsTaxiService said:

It’s the modern NFL. We need more than one who can contribute effectively. 

Good there is the Draft and UDFA.  the place to actually get value at the RB position

[njbuff]

2 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

I don’t think they will draft for need. But if they did it is CB2 imo in the 2nd. Much easier to find a decent RB2 later in the draft or out of the remaining guys in FA

 

I am thinking Cam Akers in the second round, Darrynton Evans in the third round, and whomever else later on.

 

McFarland and CEH are too similar to Singletary, so I really don't think the Bills would draft either one of these kids.

[HappyDays]

 

Well there you go, we really were close to signing him.

[YoloinOhio]

3 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

Well there you go, we really were close to signing him.

Interesting but the cold weather thing being brought up re: Buffalo as some kind of reason why he wasn’t interested is irrelevant. It snows in September in Denver 

[PIZ]

3 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

Well there you go, we really were close to signing him.

So the Bills offered more than 2-year deal worth $16M with $13.5M guarantee for a RB. That tells me that RB is their top need and that their first pick will be a RB. Josh Allen needs a strong running game to be successful.  Hope Dobbins, Taylor, or Clyde. 

[Big C]

I'm shocked to hear we offered more than that for him. Do we not see Singletary as a lead back?

[YoloinOhio]

3 minutes ago, PIZ said:

So the Bills offered more than 2-year deal worth $16M with $13.5M guarantee for a RB. That tells me that RB is their top need and that their first pick will be a RB. Josh Allen needs a strong running game to be successful.  Hope Dobbins, Taylor, or Clyde. 

If true it tells me that they valued the player highly. Doesn’t mean they believe RB to be their top need and plan to draft a RB with their 1st pick. Gordon was available, they like him, they tried to get him. Doesn’t mean they will do the same for those three players you mention. Taylor, specifically, is a different type of back than Gordon. 

Just now, Big C said:

I'm shocked to hear we offered more than that for him. Do we not see Singletary as a lead back?

Gordon is a different type of player than Singletary. He’s more of a hybrid type and can catch the ball more reliably than Devin. I think they saw them as a good tandem. 

[YoloinOhio]

What I do think they value, as has been evident the past few years, is they want a vet RB on the team. I expect a signing of one of the remaining FAs 

Just now, ScottLaw said:

Teams do split back fields.... helps to keep them fresh throughout the season.... I can’t see Singletary shouldering the load all season. Maybe they’ll explore trade market for a back if they aren’t interested in what’s left. 

McDermott plainly stated At the end of the season that he does not want one RB to get all the carries. Gordon would have been a nice upgrade to Gore but we move on. 

[Estro]

This is one of those times I'm thankful the player didnt choose us.  Melvin Gordon isn't a good RB.  I understand he was a 1st round pick and hes got some name recognition and cache, but watching him play........not good. 

 

While I'm glad we missed out on him I'm concerned the Bill's would think investing $8.5M a yr. In an avg RB is smart business.  It is actually very dumb, and I think we dodged a bullet here

 

Sign me up for Lamar Miller, who I view as a better RB than Gordon for about half that price.   That's a much savvier move.

[BuffaloBillsGospel]

Maybe Hyde on a 1 year 6M deal with incentives.

[PIZ]

6 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

If true it tells me that they valued the player highly. Doesn’t mean they believe RB to be their top need and plan to draft a RB with their 1st pick. Gordon was available, they like him, they tried to get him. Doesn’t mean they will do the same for those three players you mention. Taylor, specifically, is a different type of back than Gordon. 

Gordon is a different type of player than Singletary. He’s more of a hybrid type and can catch the ball more reliably than Devin. I think they saw them as a good tandem. 

Who are the best RBs in the draft like Gordon? Who are the best receiver type RBs, besides Swift.....Moss? Dobbins? Perine? Clyde Edwards-Helaire? 
 

I still like Jonathan Taylor though too, though I know lot’s don’t. Clyde is my favorite. 
 

 

[Estro]

3 minutes ago, BuffaloBillsGospel said:

Maybe Hyde on a 1 year 6M deal with incentives.

Hyde's value is in the $3-$4M range, he'd be very lucky to ***** $6M at this point.

 

I see him getting maybe $3.5M on a 1 or 2 yr deal

[YoloinOhio]

7 minutes ago, PIZ said:

Who are the best RBs in the draft like Gordon? Who are the best receiver type RBs, besides Swift.....Moss? Dobbins? Perine? Clyde Edwards-Helaire? 
 

I still like Jonathan Taylor though too, though I know lot’s don’t. Clyde is my favorite. 
 

 

Dobbins for sure. Definitely not Taylor (not to say he can’t be used that way, he just hasn’t been in college). Not sure about the others. I would sign Lamar Miller and draft Cam Akers and cut TJ Yeldon. 

 

Welp 

 

 

Edited March 21, 2020 by YoloinOhio

[billsfan_34]

Way overpaid! 9 mil this year alone. How Elway keeps his job is beyond me. Gordon is a good back- 4-5 mil a year good back.

[YoloinOhio]

 

[billsfan_34]

32 minutes ago, PIZ said:

So the Bills offered more than 2-year deal worth $16M with $13.5M guarantee for a RB. That tells me that RB is their top need and that their first pick will be a RB. Josh Allen needs a strong running game to be successful.  Hope Dobbins, Taylor, or Clyde. 

I call bs- no way Beane would pay that much.