Chicken Boo Posted April 19, 2020 Share Posted April 19, 2020 16 minutes ago, Tesla03 said: we can pickup a RB in the 2nd/3rd round and their production would be nearly identical and they would be 10x cheaper How would they be in pass protection? Odds are, not great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Tim Posted April 19, 2020 Share Posted April 19, 2020 I had to change my mind when I saw the 4 million a year. I would consider him if he gets cut and we can get him cheap- 2 years at 3 million total- but he is limited despite being a nice compliment to Singletary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted April 19, 2020 Share Posted April 19, 2020 1 hour ago, Chicken Boo said: How would they be in pass protection? Odds are, not great. If they get Dobbins you’re very wrong. http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001109418/article/2020-nfl-draft-best-analyticsbased-team-fits-for-top-five-rbs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daz28 Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 If they want to dump his salary for a 6th rounder that's great, and we should do it(or sign a veteran back). We need a #1b or #2 back. Singletary has 180 career touches. TJ Yeldon had 20 touches last year, and I would certainly not rely on him to be an effective runner, especially with an injury to Singletary. I like them drafting a rookie, but he's just that, a rookie. You don't go out and trade for a #1WR, and leave a huge question mark like that at RB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Boo Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 15 hours ago, CommonCents said: If they get Dobbins you’re very wrong. http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001109418/article/2020-nfl-draft-best-analyticsbased-team-fits-for-top-five-rbs That's 1 RB. The odds are still in my favor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iamkrgr Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 Some may not like it but Fournette is a pretty good fit for the bills. Not as ideal as finding a later round gem this draft but here you’d be getting a guy that can move the sticks. His contract makes it likely that he’d be a rental. But if we’re putting in all our chips this year you could definitely do worse than a Singetary- Fournette backfield. I wouldn’t give anything higher than a 5th, but the fit is there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 51 minutes ago, Iamkrgr said: Some may not like it but Fournette is a pretty good fit for the bills. Not as ideal as finding a later round gem this draft but here you’d be getting a guy that can move the sticks. His contract makes it likely that he’d be a rental. But if we’re putting in all our chips this year you could definitely do worse than a Singetary- Fournette backfield. I wouldn’t give anything higher than a 5th, but the fit is there. Is he going to play under his current deal for 1 year? Or is he going to be a holdout distraction? I have no interest in an extension or 5th year option. Would just buy you a year to draft someone. On 4/19/2020 at 1:00 PM, Rockinon said: Probably asked to be traded. If they can't find a trade partner, they may just cut him. That would be the time to pounce. Giving up draft picks though? If he's cut i'd want him even less. Right now hes on a 1yr 4 million deal. I know timing isn't great for him since a lot of teams are tapped out, but he'd probably want more than gordon, howard, and gurley. He's better than gordon and howard, and doesn't carry an injury risk like gurley. So he'd be looking for more money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iamkrgr Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 Just now, YoloinOhio said: Not surprised. Or run game is suspect at this point and we have a contending roster with very few holes. sign me up for a 5th rounder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 if it's a fifth lets go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 7 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Is there merit to this or is this just pure speculation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mathja Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 (edited) It would be very much like the time the bills gave Marcel Darius to Jax For a fifth rounder when he didn’t make economic sense for the bills and he was more of a distraction than he was worth. Jacksonville was a contender at the time and the bills weren’t. They paid pennies on the dollar for Darius and the bills or any other team they traded for Leonard Fournette today would likely do the same. They are just cleaning out their cap anyway they can because the roster is a mess and they need to start over. I loved Fournett coming out of LSU. While he hasn’t quite lived up to what I thought he was going to be, he still a bruiser that caught 76 passes last year. If the bills could get him for a fifth it will allow them to use that second rounder on an edge player that could step in for Hughes in the next year or two (They wouldn’t have to contemplate taking a running back in the second). Edited April 20, 2020 by mathja 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Wild Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mathja Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, njbuff said: Is there merit to this or is this just pure speculation? Vegas doesn’t guess. It’s not fool proof but it’s got to be based on some information gathered. Edited April 20, 2020 by mathja 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 2 minutes ago, Mr Wild said: If this was the case and if he came to the Bills and did that.................... McDermott would cut his azz in a second. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Wild Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 Just now, njbuff said: If this was the case and if he came to the Bills and did that.................... McDermott would cut his azz in a second. Thats why I dont believe he would trade for him or Yannick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 Need, cap space, style fit...Bills check the box on all 3. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 Just now, Mr Wild said: Thats why I dont believe he would trade for him or Yannick Who knows. You can't have a team of ALL choir boys. You need your Reggie Jackson or Claude Lemieux types to be a champion. Maybe McDermott can get something out of him. Again, who knows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Wild Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 Just now, njbuff said: Who knows. You can't have a team of ALL choir boys. You need your Reggie Jackson or Claude Lemieux types to be a champion. Maybe McDermott can get something out of him. Again, who knows. Yes there is a difference between a lazy jerk and a motivated jerk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iamkrgr Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 Well he’d probably be motivated by a payday. He’d essentially be playing for his next contract here. Not sure I’d want to be the one paying him but if we win who cares about the later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 1 minute ago, Mr Wild said: Yes there is a difference between a lazy jerk and a motivated jerk True. My guess is that McBeane is going to pass on this, so we won't have to worry. But, I have been wrong before......... MANY TIMES. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Wild Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 Just now, njbuff said: True. My guess is that McBeane is going to pass on this, so we won't have to worry. But, I have been wrong before......... MANY TIMES. ? I would just rather draft a young hungry guy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBD Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 (edited) 16 minutes ago, aristocrat said: if it's a fifth lets go. I was thinking a 6th, similar to Jordan Howard. As long as his fit in the locker room is ok (they'd have this intel from their RB coach), I think he's a perfect fit for what they'd be looking for. They've always carried a bigger short yardage back (Tolbert, Ivory, Gore). Edited April 20, 2020 by CBD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 3 minutes ago, Mr Wild said: I would just rather draft a young hungry guy If you have a choice between a motivated, hungry young guy and a guy coming off 1,152 yards rushing and 76 catches you’d take the motivated hungry guy? I just don’t get that mentality. If we are talking about using a 5th round pick on Fournette or on a 5th round RB there’s no question IMO. You get the guy that you know can play. The goal is to win games not have a bunch of guys that we want to have a beer with. If that’s the real cost for Fournette this is an EASY decision. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCOrange Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 19 hours ago, Chicken Boo said: How would they be in pass protection? Odds are, not great. FWIW, PFF graded Fournette as nearly the worst pass blocker in the NFL last year at the RB position. Notable players that graded worse: Tony Pollard Phillip Lindsay Adrian Peterson Marlon Mack Ito Smith 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Wild Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 1 minute ago, Kirby Jackson said: If you have a choice between a motivated, hungry young guy and a guy coming off 1,152 yards rushing and 76 catches you’d take the motivated hungry guy? I just don’t get that mentality. If we are talking about using a 5th round pick on Fournette or on a 5th round RB there’s no question IMO. You get the guy that you know can play. The goal is to win games not have a bunch of guys that we want to have a beer with. If that’s the real cost for Fournette this is an EASY decision. We have clearly been trying to build a culture here. I am going with a team is fragile and a bad apple can ruin a bundle. Just because he is productive does not mean he will fit into what we are doing here. That being said if we trade for him and he does great an no bad blood? Great good for us. But I dont think Beane pulls the trigger on this for anything more then a 6th Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBD Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 21 minutes ago, Mr Wild said: This makes me think it'd be a no Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iamkrgr Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 Another thing to keep in mind is that we’d likely receive a compensation pick for Fournette if he were to sign elsewhere after next season. Probably recoup whatever we have up+ I think some of this stuff Off field stuff is getting overblown. he’s not perfect by any means. But I think motivated for another contract we’d be the beneficiaries of a really good year from him. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 39 minutes ago, Mr Wild said: We have clearly been trying to build a culture here. I am going with a team is fragile and a bad apple can ruin a bundle. Just because he is productive does not mean he will fit into what we are doing here. That being said if we trade for him and he does great an no bad blood? Great good for us. But I dont think Beane pulls the trigger on this for anything more then a 6th This locker room isn’t that fragile. They tried to trade for Antonio Brown!!! If Fournette comes in and is a TOTAL disaster you cut him. That may happen with the late round picks this years anyways. It’s time for the Bills to push their chips in. When a championship window is open you need to take advantage. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshallp29 Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 (edited) If he did all that last year as far as yards and touchdowns unmotivated I cant wait too see what he does motivated!! Edited April 20, 2020 by Marshallp29 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 1 hour ago, Mr Wild said: Makes you wonder who’s leaking that info. Can’t be the Jaguars since that would hurt his trade value unless they are complete morons or have already consummated a trade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Boo Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 1 hour ago, DCOrange said: FWIW, PFF graded Fournette as nearly the worst pass blocker in the NFL last year at the RB position. Notable players that graded worse: Tony Pollard Phillip Lindsay Adrian Peterson Marlon Mack Ito Smith That should be a top priority for whoever is signed or drafted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 On 3/19/2020 at 9:10 AM, Victory Formation said: I don’t think he’s that good, especially given his contract. I’d rather draft one. I'll have to agree 100% there are enough good backs this year that would come a lot cheaper & get IMHO just as good of production as Fornette !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCOrange Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 1 hour ago, BuffaloRebound said: Makes you wonder who’s leaking that info. Can’t be the Jaguars since that would hurt his trade value unless they are complete morons or have already consummated a trade. Obviously doesn't help his trade value, but it could be a Jags person trying to explain to the fans why they're looking to trade their beloved RB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 (edited) 19 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said: This locker room isn’t that fragile. They tried to trade for Antonio Brown!!! If Fournette comes in and is a TOTAL disaster you cut him. That may happen with the late round picks this years anyways. It’s time for the Bills to push their chips in. When a championship window is open you need to take advantage. I've been thinking use a Day 2 pick on Rb. It's an important position for this team. If you can get a guy with this proven talent for a 5th, that frees up early picks for other positions. Edge, CB, big WR. Definitely worth the risk and it's always possible the culture and winning makes a positive change in the fella playing for his next paycheck. Edited April 21, 2020 by Dr. Who 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IgotBILLStopay Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 (edited) no idea where this came from. If it is anything more than a 4th rounder, I am not interested. This draft is very deep in RBs. That said, Fournette is a different kinda runner than Motor and can pick up the really difficult 1 or 2 power yards. Edit: Maybe have a package deal for Fournette and Ngakoue - solve both our needs with one trade. Edited April 20, 2020 by IgotBILLStopay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight Hucklebuck Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 Go for it. That’s a high first round RB and he has enough in the tank. Otherwise grab a mid-round rookie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 He could be our Marshawn Lynch. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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