Greg Olsen visiting Bills, Redskins, Seahawks

[Call_Of_Ktulu]

4 hours ago, stony said:

Croom might have a minority ownership stake in the team one day.  Wouldn't be surprised if he sticks around for another season.  

Croom is a horrible TE, I doubt he even gets picked up by another team if we drop him. He can’t block, he can’t run routes, he has ball security issues, his hands are questionable. If she wants to keep him on the bills pay roll put him in a cubicle somewhere and pay him 900,000 a year but just keep him away from the football field

[Kmart128]

18 hours ago, Bangarang said:

Meh...5 years ago this would be pretty exciting. 

 

True but i think he is perfect fit. Gives us vet leadership we are losing with Gore. And allows Knox to get one more year under his belt to develop before we hand the reigns off to him.

[teef]

12 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

It's born from an agenda.  

 

This guy once said that maybe the reason the Bills aren't getting as much negative coverage from the local writers is because Pegula might have threatened them.  

oh i remember.  i don't know why people go so far out of the way to find negatives.  it's not a finished product, but i'm happy with where this team is going.

[Royale with Cheese]

3 minutes ago, teef said:

oh i remember.  i don't know why people go so far out of the way to find negatives.  it's not a finished product, but i'm happy with where this team is going.

 

It's just years of paying way too much in property taxes.  

[Buffalo Boy]

    Olson was just interviewed one the Clt Midday Wilson and Parcel show.

    Of interest:

      - Wants to stay in Clt 

      - Visits are fact finding. He wants to make sure there isn’t a great opportunity for him before he steps away. Didn’t state specific things he was looking for.

       - Had a “ Tricky” foot injury which was the only injury in a 13 year career. This fact and being 5 th all time in yards and receptions where points of pride for him.

        He didn’t say it but he insinuated that he still has gas in the tank and sounds like he definitely has seasons left in him.

    Can’t find a link. Supposedly on Radio.com app.

[teef]

3 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

It's just years of paying way too much in property taxes.  

reported.

[BillsVet]

45 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

You don't have to wonder.  If McDermott really felt like this, we wouldn't have drafted Oliver.  A guy who already challenged his college head coach and has big personality.  

 

Ed Oliver has zero leverage as a guy entering the second year of a four year contract.  He's also not elite - yet. 

 

Tre White is the first McD selected player who will be up for a contract extension.  I'm just interested in seeing how this franchise approaches those situations.

[teef]

Just now, BillsVet said:

 

Ed Oliver has zero leverage as a guy entering the second year of a four year contract.  He's also not elite - yet. 

 

Tre White is the first McD selected player who will be up for a contract extension.  I'm just interested in seeing how this franchise approaches those situations.

is your though that since tre is more of an elite talent, mcd won't sign him because he can't handle him?

[Royale with Cheese]

6 minutes ago, BillsVet said:

 

Ed Oliver has zero leverage as a guy entering the second year of a four year contract.  He's also not elite - yet. 

 

Tre White is the first McD selected player who will be up for a contract extension.  I'm just interested in seeing how this franchise approaches those situations.

 

We invested a top 10 pick on the guy.  If McDermott really felt uncomfortable with a guy challenging him now or down the road, we don't draft him.  We would have taken someone else.  Unless you're under the mindset that they drafted him not wanting him to be elite or plan on NOT extending him once he gets to the elite level.  Does this make sense now?

8 minutes ago, teef said:

is your though that since tre is more of an elite talent, mcd won't sign him because he can't handle him?

 

I think the thought process is to "grasp at straws to keep the agenda going".

Edited February 4, 2020 by Royale with Cheese

[YoloinOhio]

37 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

Depending on the cost I would love Olson

 

2 TE' sets are the way to go

After Daboll went up in the box during games, they seemingly went away from 2 TE sets. Smith only had one game the 2nd half of the season where he played over 30% of the snaps. If they do move on from Smith it could be a sign of where the offense is headed. If they keep him I think we see a return to a run heavy offense.

[teef]

3 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

 

I think the thought process is to "grasp at straws to keep the agenda going".

i think some like to turn the letting dareus and watkins go as a sign that mcd can't deal with strong personalities, which is nonsense.  those two showed me that they have anything but a strong personality.  they were guys that had obvious work ethic issues, and that was the exact culture the staff is trying to reverse.  

 

people may not agree with the move, but turning it into a mcd can't handle it scenario is just foolish.

[Royale with Cheese]

6 minutes ago, teef said:

i think some like to turn the letting dareus and watkins go as a sign that mcd can't deal with strong personalities, which is nonsense.  those two showed me that they have anything but a strong personality.  they were guys that had obvious work ethic issues, and that was the exact culture the staff is trying to reverse.  

 

people may not agree with the move, but turning it into a mcd can't handle it scenario is just foolish.

 

To me it's obvious, both Dareus and Watkins were "me first" players and that's what got them traded.  

Jerry Hughes has a strong personality and McDermott extends him.  Why?  Because he plays hard.

[atlbillsfan1975]

3 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

according to Spotrac, he’d be a cheaper option than Kroft currently. 
https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/carolina-panthers/greg-olsen-1302/market-value/

Then I stand corrected. I was thinking given he had a decent year last year and his name plus being a pro’s pro, he would command $6-8 a year. Less than $5 and it’s a no brainer. Structure the deal similar to Kroft’s now, get out after a year if need too.

3 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Non-starter right there. He isnt worth it. Maybe 5, even 3 years ago. But not now.

 

He'd have to be willing to take Smith money ($3M/year) if I were GM. I hope Beane doesnt make yet another salary mistake with a "Carolina Process Guy".

I hear ya. Sounds like I might of been a little high on my projections. If they structure the deal so it’s an easy out in a year, I wouldn’t think $4-5 mil a year is crazy. 3 years and then done so Knox and Sweeney take over?

[BADOLBILZ]

14 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

To me it's obvious, both Dareus and Watkins were "me first" players and that's what got them traded.  

Jerry Hughes has a strong personality and McDermott extends him.  Why?  Because he plays hard.

 

Or maybe "me first" is just hyperbole used as an excuse.

 

Remember when Stephon Gilmore was making "business decisions" in Buffalo so good riddance to him and now he has a ring, 2 SB appearances and an NFL Defensive Player of the Year award and is 6-0 in games against Buffalo?

 

In hindsight NONE of those 5 losses of first and second round picks(Gilmore, Woods, Watkins, Darby, Dareus) of Whaley/Nix in 2017 were "good" moves unless you use the vague rationale that they were bad guys...........which is entirely subjective and didn't prevent 4 of them from starting in SB's and 3 of them getting rings on separate teams in 3 years.

 

You can't get any more efficient than 3 rings in 3 years.

 

Dareus is the only debatable one and that's because they had to eat his dead money either way.......his base salaries weren't that bad in 2018 and 2019......... and his departure collapsed the Bills run defense in 2017 and that lead to the awful Star Lotulelei contract double down at DT.   

 

What it all proves is.........as Belichick says...........you gotta' be making dumb moves constantly to not be competitive.  

 

McBeane have made some good moves as well and that's why they are 50-50 in their first 100 games in Buffalo.

 

[thebandit27]

39 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

To me it's obvious, both Dareus and Watkins were "me first" players and that's what got them traded.  

Jerry Hughes has a strong personality and McDermott extends him.  Why?  Because he plays hard.

Please tell me that you’re not insinuating that Sammy Watkins—who put up the best half-season of WR play this century on a foot with a Jones’ Fracture—doesn’t play hard.

[MAJBobby]

19 hours ago, FluffHead said:

@AdamSchefter: Former Panthers’ TE Greg Olsen will visit the Bills and Redskins this week, per source. Buffalo’s GM Brandon Beane used to be with Carolinas, as did Washington’s HC Ron Rivera.

Would be a smart signing for Knox and can cut Kroft 

[Royale with Cheese]

3 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

Or maybe "me first" is just hyperbole used as an excuse.

 

Remember when Stephon Gilmore was making "business decisions" in Buffalo so good riddance to him and now he has a ring, 2 SB appearances and an NFL Defensive Player of the Year award and is 6-0 in games against Buffalo?

 

In hindsight NONE of those 5 losses of first and second round picks(Gilmore, Woods, Watkins, Darby, Dareus) of Whaley/Nix in 2017 were "good" moves unless you use the vague rationale that they were bad guys...........which is entirely subjective and didn't prevent 4 of them from starting in SB's and 3 of them getting rings on separate teams in 3 years.

 

You can't get any more efficient than 3 rings in 3 years.

 

Dareus is the only debatable one and that's because they had to eat his dead money either way.......his base salaries weren't that bad in 2018 and 2019......... and his departure collapsed the Bills run defense in 2017 and that lead to the awful Star Lotulelei contract double down at DT.   

 

What it all proves is.........as Belichick says...........you gotta' be making dumb moves constantly to not be competitive.  

 

McBeane have made some good moves as well and that's why they are 50-50 in their first 100 games in Buffalo.

 

 

I don't think Woods was ever know as a bad guy.  He was pretty much respected in Buffalo.  He's from California and he went back to there.  He was a FA.

 

Gilmore was unfairly roasted on these boards but I always liked him.  I'm not sure why he's being brought up in this discussion.

 

Watkins admitted he rubbed teammates the wrong way and was a stats guy....that's a "me" person that McDermott didn't want.

 

Dareus was constantly in trouble, making almost $100 million to be a run stuffer?  A guy that you don't know if he's going to be relied on during the season since he was one more drug suspension away from what...8 games?  10?  

 

We've been competitive in 2 out of the last 3 years.  

 

 

11 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

Please tell me that you’re not insinuating that Sammy Watkins—who put up the best half-season of WR play this century on a foot with a Jones’ Fracture—doesn’t play hard.

 

I was referring more towards Dareus not playing hard and Sammy being a "me first" type of guy.

[thebandit27]

7 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

I don't think Woods was ever know as a bad guy.  He was pretty much respected in Buffalo.  He's from California and he went back to there.  He was a FA.

 

Gilmore was unfairly roasted on these boards but I always liked him.  I'm not sure why he's being brought up in this discussion.

 

Watkins admitted he rubbed teammates the wrong way and was a stats guy....that's a "me" person that McDermott didn't want.

 

Dareus was constantly in trouble, making almost $100 million to be a run stuffer?  A guy that you don't know if he's going to be relied on during the season since he was one more drug suspension away from what...8 games?  10?  

 

We've been competitive in 2 out of the last 3 years.  

 

 

 

I was referring more towards Dareus not playing hard and Sammy being a "me first" type of guy.

Very good. That just seemed way out there.

[YoloinOhio]

 

[Buffalo Boy]

https://wfnz.radio.com/blogs/wilson-parcell/wilson-and-parcell-greg-olsen-on-his-time-in-carolina

[BillsVet]

1 hour ago, teef said:

is your though that since tre is more of an elite talent, mcd won't sign him because he can't handle him?

 

Never said that.  But during contract negotiations a player's only leverage is holding out if they don't get the offer they want.  Anyone who understands human nature can see that money matters and if a player of Tre's record doesn't get that offer, I don't care how much of a culture McD has built. 

 

We haven't seen this front office hand out a big contract to a homegrown player, let alone a 1st Team All-Pro. 

 

1 hour ago, Royale with Cheese said:

We invested a top 10 pick on the guy.  If McDermott really felt uncomfortable with a guy challenging him now or down the road, we don't draft him.  We would have taken someone else.  Unless you're under the mindset that they drafted him not wanting him to be elite or plan on NOT extending him once he gets to the elite level.  Does this make sense now?

 

I think the thought process is to "grasp at straws to keep the agenda going".

 

Another poster putting words in my mouth.  These guys are hungry, but once established after an initial contract they want the big one.  See above. 

 

41 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

We've been competitive in 2 out of the last 3 years. 

 

Buffalo had the 3rd easiest strength of schedule in 2019.  Competitive? Sure.  Competitive against solid competition? Not so much.

 

McD is 3-17 combined in his tenure against teams that advanced to the playoffs or in playoff games.  You wanna run with the big dogs you gotta be better than that.

Edited February 4, 2020 by BillsVet

[YoloinOhio]

 

[BADOLBILZ]

28 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

I don't think Woods was ever know as a bad guy.  He was pretty much respected in Buffalo.  He's from California and he went back to there.  He was a FA.

 

Gilmore was unfairly roasted on these boards but I always liked him.  I'm not sure why he's being brought up in this discussion.

 

Watkins admitted he rubbed teammates the wrong way and was a stats guy....that's a "me" person that McDermott didn't want.

 

Dareus was constantly in trouble, making almost $100 million to be a run stuffer?  A guy that you don't know if he's going to be relied on during the season since he was one more drug suspension away from what...8 games?  10?  

 

We've been competitive in 2 out of the last 3 years.  

 

 

 

I was referring more towards Dareus not playing hard and Sammy being a "me first" type of guy.

 

 

Dareus' orginal contract was bad but the guarantees were money out the door.......and his base salaries were in the $9.5M range for 2017 & 2018 and the Jags then re-negotiated his deal for 2019 to lower that figure.   He had zero contract leverage left by 2017.   He was playing well for McD and his departure hurt and he had a huge positive impact on arrival in Jacksonville.   Their run defense went from 30th prior to his arrival to 1st after it.........and he played extremely well in the playoffs and the Jags nearly made it 5 for 5 in "Whaley trash" reaching the SB in McD's first 3 years.   

 

To this day he's still better at the job than who the Bills got to replace him.

 

And speaking of THAT guy....

 

The Bills have paid Star Lotulelei $25M for two years of never once better than pedestrian play at DT1T.......compare that math..........they've paid MORE for Star than they would have had to for Dareus....and frankly if they can't find a better DT1T to rotate in behind Harrison Phillips this year they should be ashamed of their scouting.

[BADOLBILZ]

45 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

Very good. That just seemed way out there.

 

This guy didn't play hard.

 

This guy was "me first".

 

This guy "didn't want to be in Buffalo".

 

Just a series of vague excuses.

 

I was not pleased at all that they let those 5 early picks go.......it was dumb.......but even I am stunned by how efficiently that group of "bad apples" has crushed the narrative that they were limiting factors in team success.

 

It just is what it is..........McBeane(or McDermott for those who refuse to accept that Beane was the pre-ordained GM) were totally clueless wrt pro personnel and gutless with their QB decision and it's at-best set the timetable back.     

[Mojo44]

1 hour ago, thebandit27 said:

Please tell me that you’re not insinuating that Sammy Watkins—who put up the best half-season of WR play this century on a foot with a Jones’ Fracture—doesn’t play hard.

The problem is he just doesn’t do it all the time and he didn’t want to do it all the time in Buffalo. Despite everything since, Good riddance!

[Royale with Cheese]

23 minutes ago, BillsVet said:

Another poster putting words in my mouth.  These guys are hungry, but once established after an initial contract they want the big one.  See above. 

 

 

Buffalo had the 3rd easiest strength of schedule in 2019.  Competitive? Sure.  Competitive against solid competition? Not so much.

 

McD is 3-17 combined in his tenure against teams that advanced to the playoffs or in playoff games.  You wanna run with the big dogs you gotta be better than that.

 

I didn't put words in your mouth.  

 

Your whole "McDermott may not want someone challenging him" is complete nonsense.  The guy we drafted this year has a big personality and challenged his college coach.  

We still drafted him.  That should be end of story but you want to continue grasping at straws.  I don't understand why you are making this so hard.

 

Well lets look at context Mr. Conspiracy.  We have completely revamped our roster.  He took over Rex Ryan's team, dismantled it, playing with subpar talent in 2018 because of our cap situation.  Put in a rookie QB with not much talent around him.  Got some talent now, the QB took a step and now we have $90 million in cap room now.  The team will add more pieces.  Playoffs 2 out of the last 3 years.  But keep reaching for the negativity.  

 

 

[teef]

45 minutes ago, BillsVet said:

 

Never said that.  But during contract negotiations a player's only leverage is holding out if they don't get the offer they want.  Anyone who understands human nature can see that money matters and if a player of Tre's record doesn't get that offer, I don't care how much of a culture McD has built. 

 

 

well you certainly implied it didn't you?  not once did you mention money or a situation where an offer wasn't good enough.  if you don't want people putting words in your mouth, be more clear.  personally, i think you were implying that mcd wasn't strong willed enough to deal with high profile players, and once you reflected on how absurd that sounded, you're backtracking.  be clear and that wouldn't happen.  

 

i do agree that money matters, and that a sizable contract is going to be needed to keep tre.  he's their guy, and if they don't pay him, i'll be shocked and greatly disappointed.  they need to pay their talent, and tre had been everything they wanted and needed him to be.

[BillsVet]

2 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

I didn't put words in your mouth.  

 

Your whole "McDermott may not want someone challenging him" is complete nonsense.  The guy we drafted this year has a big personality and challenged his college coach.  

We still drafted him.  That should be end of story but you want to continue grasping at straws.  I don't understand why you are making this so hard.

 

Well lets look at context Mr. Conspiracy.  We have completely revamped our roster.  He took over Rex Ryan's team, dismantled it, playing with subpar talent in 2018 because of our cap situation.  Put in a rookie QB with not much talent around him.  Got some talent now, the QB took a step and now we have $90 million in cap room now.  The team will add more pieces.  Playoffs 2 out of the last 3 years.  But keep reaching for the negativity. 

 

I get tired of people missing the point, so I'll re-phrase and be more pithy:

 

No one's talking about Ed Oliver but you.  Ed Oliver isn't an All-Pro.  Ed Oliver has no leverage with his current contract.  I'm referencing the one player on this team who made the All-Pro team and is approaching the window for the team to extend his contract.

 

That player was selected 1st Team All-Pro in 2019 and is the only elite player on the roster.  He will want big money.  Players who want to get paid have limited leverage in these situations.

 

It's an "if" at this point, but we have not seen how OBD under McD works with elite players.  To date, they've allowed some to leave, but have just one (White) that they'll presumably want to retain.  To @BADOLBILZ point, we've seen McD eschew these elite types and replace them with less than elite. 

 

 Earlier you referenced Buffalo being competitive.  If that's the standard of excellence with you, but 25-25 after 3 seasons isn't amazing.  It's average and McD's losing a playoff game up 16-0 with 21 minutes left doesn't give me a lot of trust in his process of jettisoning better players for "his" guys.

[C.Biscuit97]

I would take him in a second but he looked pretty washed last year.  Third Leg Greg would be a great mentor and I’ll gladly get rid of Smith and/ or Knox.

[Royale with Cheese]

4 minutes ago, BillsVet said:

 

I get tired of people missing the point, so I'll re-phrase and be more pithy:

 

No one's talking about Ed Oliver but you.  Ed Oliver isn't an All-Pro.  Ed Oliver has no leverage with his current contract.  I'm referencing the one player on this team who made the All-Pro team and is approaching the window for the team to extend his contract.

 

That player was selected 1st Team All-Pro in 2019 and is the only elite player on the roster.  He will want big money.  Players who want to get paid have limited leverage in these situations.

 

It's an "if" at this point, but we have not seen how OBD under McD works with elite players.  To date, they've allowed some to leave, but have just one (White) that they'll presumably want to retain.  To @BADOLBILZ point, we've seen McD eschew these elite types and replace them with less than elite. 

 

 Earlier you referenced Buffalo being competitive.  If that's the standard of excellence with you, but 25-25 after 3 seasons isn't amazing.  It's average and McD's losing a playoff game up 16-0 with 21 minutes left doesn't give me a lot of trust in his process of jettisoning better players for "his" guys.

 

Geezus dude....

 

You made the point that you feel McDermott might not do well with players who might challenge him.  I brought up Oliver because he already has a history of it and we still took him.

It doesn't matter if he's not up for another contract now...he has that personality.  You don't draft a guy in the top 10 without hopes he will be elite and will be making big money on his 2nd contract.  We drafted Oliver to be our difference maker and it's been rumored we were making calls to move up just to get him.

 

What elite players have we let leave?  

 

I didn't say it's a standard of excellence or amazing LOL.  Remember when you said I was putting words in your mouth.  I just brought up context to the first few seasons.

Oh no, we lost a playoff game in which we blew a late lead.  Andy Reid, who just won the Super Bowl, has blown  two 18 point leads (one was 28) in the playoffs and was below .500 entering this year.  He's been criticized his whole career for playoff struggles.  

[ngbills]

5 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

Yea... I think it was just bad self scouting of their offense.... and they've demonstrated questionable decision making on that side of the ball in general.  That trade made 0 sense. Sammy was their best weapon by far.... and he was essentially replaced by Zay Jones and Jordan Matthews which was laughable.... I recall many posters suggesting Matthews is the better reciever. ?

 

They still haven't filled his void.

So many just agree and defend whatever decisions are made. Its the blind fandom. Like if your a fan of this team how dare you question or not like anything they do. Go root for someone else mindset. 

 

We see it all the time. Im on here debating free agent signings and was just told - this FO is not stupid and wont waste money on player xyz. Go root for the Redskins if you want the team that wastes money. Then if the Bills sign the guy that same poster will be talking about how great a move it is. 

[Royale with Cheese]

1 hour ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Dareus' orginal contract was bad but the guarantees were money out the door.......and his base salaries were in the $9.5M range for 2017 & 2018 and the Jags then re-negotiated his deal for 2019 to lower that figure.   He had zero contract leverage left by 2017.   He was playing well for McD and his departure hurt and he had a huge positive impact on arrival in Jacksonville.   Their run defense went from 30th prior to his arrival to 1st after it.........and he played extremely well in the playoffs and the Jags nearly made it 5 for 5 in "Whaley trash" reaching the SB in McD's first 3 years.   

 

To this day he's still better at the job than who the Bills got to replace him.

 

And speaking of THAT guy....

 

The Bills have paid Star Lotulelei $25M for two years of never once better than pedestrian play at DT1T.......compare that math..........they've paid MORE for Star than they would have had to for Dareus....and frankly if they can't find a better DT1T to rotate in behind Harrison Phillips this year they should be ashamed of their scouting.

 

I don't think he was playing well because if he was, he would have been playing more but he wasn't.  Dareus sat because he wasn't giving enough on the field.

 

Your Star predictions came in well this year.  How many games was he inactive?  How many games did Vincent Taylor play in place of him?

 

If Star was playing as poorly as you have been pounding the table about...he wouldn't be playing.  I never said he was playing at an All Pro level, but he's at least doing his job.

[Dablitzkrieg]

I think a lot of people don't want to admit it, but as long as this regime is here with the Bills, an NFL Veteran presence will be in each room.  This has been said multiple times.  Lee Smith most likely will be gone if Olsen signs, but stays on if he isn't.  

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

8 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

I would take him in a second but he looked pretty washed last year.  Third Leg Greg would be a great mentor and I’ll gladly get rid of Smith and/ or Knox.

 

 

...Knox vs Kroft?...why it that?............

[C.Biscuit97]

4 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

 

...Knox vs Kroft?...why it that?............

Whoops! I meant Kroft!!! I’m not giving up on Knox yet. 

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

2 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Whoops! I meant Kroft!!! I’m not giving up on Knox yet. 

....whew bro!!...makin' me nervous....

[Royale with Cheese]

7 minutes ago, Dablitzkrieg said:

I think a lot of people don't want to admit it, but as long as this regime is here with the Bills, an NFL Veteran presence will be in each room.  This has been said multiple times.  Lee Smith most likely will be gone if Olsen signs, but stays on if he isn't.  

 

That's what I'm thinking too.  I wonder if Sweeney will be a regular on the game day roster next year?

[teef]

19 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

Geezus dude....

 

You made the point that you feel McDermott might not do well with players who might challenge him.  I brought up Oliver because he already has a history of it and we still took him.

It doesn't matter if he's not up for another contract now...he has that personality.  You don't draft a guy in the top 10 without hopes he will be elite and will be making big money on his 2nd contract.  We drafted Oliver to be our difference maker and it's been rumored we were making calls to move up just to get him.

 

What elite players have we let leave?  

 

I didn't say it's a standard of excellence or amazing LOL.  Remember when you said I was putting words in your mouth.  I just brought up context to the first few seasons.

Oh no, we lost a playoff game in which we blew a late lead.  Andy Reid, who just won the Super Bowl, has blown  two 18 point leads (one was 28) in the playoffs and was below .500 entering this year.  He's been criticized his whole career for playoff struggles.  

people are also using the .500 record for this staff in a strange way...as a total negative.  i get it's not a great win/loss record, but why not mention that they've been to the play offs 2 out of the three years here?  doesn't kyle shannahan have a worse 3 year record over that last three than mcd and staff.  he made it to the superbowl, so who cares about the 3 year record.  this team is in better shape now than they were before this staff took over.  i have no idea what the next few year will hold, but as of now i'm very optimistic.   others...well, they just like to whine.

[NewEra]

17 minutes ago, Dablitzkrieg said:

I think a lot of people don't want to admit it, but as long as this regime is here with the Bills, an NFL Veteran presence will be in each room.  This has been said multiple times.  Lee Smith most likely will be gone if Olsen signs, but stays on if he isn't.  

I agree 100%.  I also think this is great and I’m glad that it’s something McB believes in.

 

just wondering which RB we’re going replace gore with

[Beast]

7 hours ago, formerlyofCtown said:

52-597-11.5-2TDs

How on earth you arrived at this take we will never understand.

 

Maybe Dawson Knox having a 2.5 yard per average better per catch average?

 

Maybe Olsen being 35 years old?

 

Maybe Olsen missing 18 games in the last three seasons?

 

Maybe Olsen having barely over 1,000 yards total in his last three seasons?

 

If the Bills wish to address TE in free agency, by all means go for it and pay someone that actually has had relatively good health over the last three years and whose numbers aren’t free falling during that time.

 

Hey, maybe we can get Jason Witten to come here while we are at it, right?