Brady Free Agency speculation: Down to Bucs and... Chargers? Miami?

[AKC]

Brady can’t play anywhere else where they will feed him the defensive play call through his helmet receiver and Belichick can’t afford to bring any new QB into that system without fear of exposure for all these years of exploiting Roger's incompetence. Stakes are too high for both of them. Brady isn’t going anywhere.

[MJS]

1 minute ago, Mr. WEO said:

Replacing an aging QB "with SB experience" who just had one of his worst output seasons with a younger QB who's recent/"best" season was no better wouldn't make BB cackle for much of the year, I bet.  George Kittles, Deebo Samuel, Emmanuel Sanders and Raheem Mostert aren't walking through that door with Jimmy G...

 

I mean, Mostert was pretty much a nobody until this year, and Jimmy G had pretty strong passing stats, including a 68% completion percentage and a QB eating over 100. Emmanuel Sanders is like 5 years past being considered a big threat. He's pretty average. Kittle is the real deal, though, and Samuel showed a lot of promise.

[Mr. WEO]

2 minutes ago, AKC said:

Brady can’t play anywhere else where they will feed him the defensive play call through his helmet receiver and Belichick can’t afford to bring any new QB into that system without fear of exposure for all these years of exploiting Roger's incompetence. Stakes are too high for both of them. Brady isn’t going anywhere.

 

 

Jerry, Jimmy, Arthur, Terry, Kim and the rest are gleefully laughing at "exploiting Roger's incompetence"...although it will likely cost them all another 5 million or so a year when Roger's next contract is negotiated..

[Mr. WEO]

2 minutes ago, MJS said:

 

I mean, Mostert was pretty much a nobody until this year, and Jimmy G had pretty strong passing stats, including a 68% completion percentage and a QB eating over 100. Emmanuel Sanders is like 5 years past being considered a big threat. He's pretty average. Kittle is the real deal, though, and Samuel showed a lot of promise.

 

Mostert isn't a "nobody" anymore right?

 

But...NE has none of those guys.  They have Edelman.  Their second best receiver, by far, was a RB.

 

JG had 27 TDs (and 13 ints): 15 of those TDs came in 4 games.  That's with 4 solid receiving options and 3 good RBs.  

[Sherlock Holmes]

13 minutes ago, CommonCents said:

Still not buying it. If it did happen I would question that entertainment has now surpassed competition on their importance scale. 

If you say white again a certain poster is going to show up and ask for another CMC trade. 

Hey ya'llllllllll?

[C.Biscuit97]

35 minutes ago, Happy Gilmore said:

 

Drafting a guy is easier said than done, at least the right guy.  It is easy to draft the wrong guy and have him sit behind Brady for a year or two, then suck the next year.

 

The Raiders have Carr and the 49ers have Garappolo right now...those are the birds in the hand.  I know they're not world beaters, but you can work with them, you just need a good supporting cast around them.  The 49ers, at least, have that.  Why topple what you have for Brady well past his prime and an additional year or two, max.

Carr gets you no where.  He’s in the Tannehill, Dalton, etc. group.  You might have a drop off for a season but you aren’t winning big with those guys. I think Jimmy G is also in the group but it’s a little early to give up on him yet.  
 

my hope is after next year, we know for sure what group Allen is in.  It’s sucks to be in the Carr group as a fan.  It could be worse but you’re just stuck. 

18 minutes ago, MJS said:

 

I mean, Mostert was pretty much a nobody until this year, and Jimmy G had pretty strong passing stats, including a 68% completion percentage and a QB eating over 100. Emmanuel Sanders is like 5 years past being considered a big threat. He's pretty average. Kittle is the real deal, though, and Samuel showed a lot of promise.

Shannhan is in the top 3 of designing plays.  He takes nobodies at RBs and make them into stars.  Imo, Brady would be an upgrade over Jimmy G in SF. 

[LSHMEAB]

36 minutes ago, MJS said:

 

I disagree that Jimmy G is mediocre. I view him as a quality starter. I don't think he's elite, but I sure don't think he is as bad as people are making him out to be. He'd be an upgrade for a lot of teams.

Including New England. (Ducks for Mr. Weo's incoming fire)

 

I would honestly hate this trade because I think Jimmy G would make New England a much tougher out both this season, and in the future.

 

Really, really don't want to see this happen.

 

There's a whole lot of recency bias in the assessment of Jimmy G; he sucked in the second half of the SB, which means he sucks.

[Mr. WEO]

3 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said:

Including New England. (Ducks for Mr. Weo's incoming fire)

 

I would honestly hate this trade because I think Jimmy G would make New England a much tougher out both this season, and in the future.

 

Really, really don't want to see this happen.

 

There's a whole lot of recency bias in the assessment of Jimmy G; he sucked in the second half of the SB, which means he sucks.

 

It's a legit question. Jimmy G was a sub 4000 yard passer with under 30 TDs (and a 1:2 INT:TD ratio) on a much better staffed SF Offense than NE has.  Why would he would make NE a tougher out (Bills lost both games this year) than Brady/NE?  

 

This doesn't make sense to me.

[C.Biscuit97]

7 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said:

Including New England. (Ducks for Mr. Weo's incoming fire)

 

I would honestly hate this trade because I think Jimmy G would make New England a much tougher out both this season, and in the future.

 

Really, really don't want to see this happen.

 

There's a whole lot of recency bias in the assessment of Jimmy G; he sucked in the second half of the SB, which means he sucks.

NE’s offense was hot garbage around Brady.  Little steroid boy was hurt and is hardly a number 1. Harry was hurt most of the year. Sanu sucked.  Their o line was bad.  Their TEs sucked. Their rbs sucked running.  It was a really bad group and probably the worst in NE in the Brady era.  That’s why they took a chance on crazy AB.
 

SF is a much better situation offensively.  Any rb in Shanahan’s system does good.  And Kittle, Sanders, and Samuels are so much better than NE’s receivers it’s not even funny.  

[LSHMEAB]

3 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

It's a legit question. Jimmy G was a sub 4000 yard passer with under 30 TDs (and a 1:2 INT:TD ratio) on a much better staffed SF Offense than NE has.  Why would he would make NE a tougher out (Bills lost both games this year) than Brady/NE?  

 

This doesn't make sense to me.

For starters, sub 4000 yard passer is a bit disingenuous. He was like 22 yards short of that mark on a team that primarily ran the football. He lead the league in 4th quarter comebacks. Yes, he had weapons, but he was also playing on a run first team.

 

We can talk about weapons, but what about systems? In his 2 starts in 2016 with NEW ENGLAND, he threw for 502 yards, 4 TD's, 0 picks, and a 113 passer rating.

2 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

NE’s offense was hot garbage around Brady.  Little steroid boy was hurt and is hardly a number 1. Harry was hurt most of the year. Sanu sucked.  Their o line was bad.  Their TEs sucked. Their rbs sucked running.  It was a really bad group and probably the worst in NE in the Brady era.  That’s why they took a chance on crazy AB.
 

SF is a much better situation offensively.  Any rb in Shanahan’s system does good.  And Kittle, Sanders, and Samuels are so much better than NE’s receivers it’s not even funny.  

My opinion is that Brady is running on fumes and will continue to deteriorate with every start. Merely an eyeball test analysis. His body wants to stand strong in the pocket and deliver, but his brain is forcing him to tuck as it knows his body can no longer withstand hits. He never had the greatest arm to begin with, and can ill afford to lose any velocity. He's losing velocity with every start. 

 

The Brady of old would have made some of the scrubs he played with look like stars. He's no longer capable of doing this and I don't believe a better supporting cast would make him elite, especially NEXT season.

 

We'll see what happens. I would love to see him back in NE, but that's just me.

[C.Biscuit97]

3 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said:

For starters, sub 4000 yard passer is a bit disingenuous. He was like 22 yards short of that mark on a team that primarily ran the football. He lead the league in 4th quarter comebacks. Yes, he had weapons, but he was also playing on a run first team.

 

We can talk about weapons, but what about systems? In his 2 starts in 2016 with NEW ENGLAND, he threw for 502 yards, 4 TD's, 0 picks, and a 113 passer rating.

You mean the year where Brady threw 28 tds and 0 ints?  I’m normally with you but I think you’re off here.  Jimmy G is alright but the more he has played, the more he looks average.  

[Call_Of_Ktulu]

You put a good O-Line in front of Brady with what the Titans have on offense and you could see a top 5 offense. I think Brady only has one more year left but he still could do some damage.

[C.Biscuit97]

14 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said:

For starters, sub 4000 yard passer is a bit disingenuous. He was like 22 yards short of that mark on a team that primarily ran the football. He lead the league in 4th quarter comebacks. Yes, he had weapons, but he was also playing on a run first team.

 

We can talk about weapons, but what about systems? In his 2 starts in 2016 with NEW ENGLAND, he threw for 502 yards, 4 TD's, 0 picks, and a 113 passer rating.

My opinion is that Brady is running on fumes and will continue to deteriorate with every start. Merely an eyeball test analysis. His body wants to stand strong in the pocket and deliver, but his brain is forcing him to tuck as it knows his body can no longer withstand hits. He never had the greatest arm to begin with, and can ill afford to lose any velocity. He's losing velocity with every start. 

 

The Brady of old would have made some of the scrubs he played with look like stars. He's no longer capable of doing this and I don't believe a better supporting cast would make him elite, especially NEXT season.

 

We'll see what happens. I would love to see him back in NE, but that's just me.

And Brady certainly isn’t Brady but I think his group just really sucked last year.  And the son kisser played really well against us in the second game.  Considering we’ve beat him like 2 ever, I will gladly take my chances with Jimmy, who doesn’t even date hot porn creatures. 

[Mr. WEO]

1 minute ago, LSHMEAB said:

For starters, sub 4000 yard passer is a bit disingenuous. He was like 22 yards short of that mark on a team that primarily ran the football. He lead the league in 4th quarter comebacks. Yes, he had weapons, but he was also playing on a run first team.

 

We can talk about weapons, but what about systems? In his 2 starts in 2016 with NEW ENGLAND, he threw for 502 yards, 4 TD's, 0 picks, and a 113 passer rating.

 

Citing 2 starts (Brady had 12 and 28 TDs on 2 INTS, 3550 yards) a few years ago is pretty disingenuous.  Those games are meaningless 4 years later anyway.
 

The point is, given all his weapons at WR, TE, and as you point out RB (not to mention O-line) in SF and his production being what it was, why do you think that he would make NE a bigger threat than Brady?  SF only ran the ball 50 more times than NE.  Even so, NE  passed had to pass a lot more than in SF.  How is JG, who put up his numbers with  a solid receiving corps in SF,  going to reach even "just under 4000" yards looking for Edelman?  Or handing off to poor Sony Michele 250 times a year (for under 1000 yards), while getting pressure he never saw in SF?  These aren't the 2016 patriots.  Nor are they the 2019 49ers.

[CommonCents]

2 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

And Brady certainly isn’t Brady but I think his group just really sucked last year.  And the son kisser played really well against us in the second game.  Considering we’ve beat him like 2 ever, I will gladly take my chances with Jimmy, who doesn’t even date hot porn creatures. 

Even the “porn creature” said Jimmy is average. 

[Doc Brown]

The fact that nobody in the 49ers front office has categorically denied this rumor is noteworthy.  If the reports that Kyle Shanahan questions Jimmy G's decision making and ceiling are true than I guess it's possible especially given the out in his contract.  The 49ers would be playing with fire though with Brady's age.

[LSHMEAB]

1 minute ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

And Brady certainly isn’t Brady but I think his group just really sucked last year.  And the son kisser played really well against us in the second game.  Considering we’ve beat him like 2 ever, I will gladly take my chances with Jimmy, who doesn’t even date hot porn creatures. 

Yeah. I get where you're coming from because we've been his B for like 60 years. Part of me still feels like even if Barkley had lead the Bills to a TD in the first game, Brady, after playing like TRASH, would have lead NE right down the field for a TD to beat us with no time left on the clock.

 

The last time we beat him, we were fortunate in that they ruled Fred X down at the 1, allowing us to run out the clock. I'm convinced he would have not only lead them to a game tying TD, but the Pats would have gone for 2 just for fun.

 

I just don't think he has any gas left in the tank and it's psychological at this point.

 

And I'm by no means someone who doesn't respect what he's done or thinks he's a system QB. I consider him the GOAT. But even a GOAT eventually falls off the cliff.

[YoloinOhio]

2 hours ago, CommonCents said:

Banana land. He still ends up back with the Pats and everyone knows it. 

I feel like Brady and Bill kinda want to break up,  but they don’t really see better options out there for either side, and are probably going to end up getting back together even though are sick of each other because it’s just easier that way. 
 

and Kraft and Edelman are like the drunk buddies who try to convince them they are still in love, etc 

Edited March 5, 2020 by YoloinOhio

[KD in CA]

2 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

I feel like Brady and Bill kinda want to break up,  but they don’t really see better options out there for either side, and are probably going to end up getting back together even though are sick of each other because it’s just easier that way. 
 

and Kraft and Edelman are like the drunk buddies who try to convince them they are still in love, etc 

They are both terrified of the impact on their respective legacies if the other one wins a SB on their own.   And that's why he's not going anywhere.

 

 

Edited March 5, 2020 by KD in CA

[White Linen]

I find the idea that the Patriots would allow this circus to go on and not make it obvious they want Brady to retire a Patriot ridiculous.  

 

A truly slimy act, IMO.

[Playoffs?]

2 minutes ago, White Linen said:

I find the idea that the Patriots would allow this circus to go on and not make it obvious they want Brady to retire a Patriot ridiculous.  

 

A truly slimy act, IMO.

Ha!  I feel the same way. He’s not going anywhere. Never was. They’re all sitting back laughing. 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

So if NE gets Jimmy G back I will officially start to hate them. I had a weird respect for them but it would turn to hate.

[White Linen]

3 minutes ago, Playoffs? said:

Ha!  I feel the same way. He’s not going anywhere. Never was. They’re all sitting back laughing. 

 

But the fact they're even allowing him to test free agency without BB and Kraft both publicly saying we 100% want him back.

 

If I were them I'd let it be 100% known its Brady's decision.  It might be a little degrading for a moment but they'd look like the bigger people.

 

Then if they struggle, some of the blame shifts and takes pressure off the organization.  Then if Brady fails he'll look like the fool.

[Johnny Hammersticks]

I think he’ll ultimately end up in Tennessee.  I don’t think he’ll want to go to Vegas and get his dick kicked in the dirt for the duration of his “golden years.”  The 49ers just don’t make sense, and I really feel like NE is ready to move on...and they will if they’re smart.

[HappyDays]

Wherever Brady goes I think the QB he replaces will end up in New England. So that's Carr, Tannehill, or Garrappolo. I don't know who else the Patriots would try to stick at QB next year. For that reason I'm hoping he goes to Tennessee.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

2 hours ago, HappyDays said:

Wherever Brady goes I think the QB he replaces will end up in New England. So that's Carr, Tannehill, or Garrappolo. I don't know who else the Patriots would try to stick at QB next year. For that reason I'm hoping he goes to Tennessee.

What sucks is NE can easily replace Brady this year. So many decent options out there. No one will be as good but they can get by for a while.

[Buffalo Barbarian]

Just cant see the 9ers in on Brady, makes no sense to get rid of Garrapolo who is much younger, should get better with more experience, and took them to the Superbowl for a guy who is on his last leg even though he will go down as the goat.

 

 

[Buffalo Barbarian]

On 1/30/2020 at 4:17 PM, njbuff said:

The guy is going to be a 43 year old QB.

 

Just freaking retire already. Geez.

 

The man has NOTHING more to prove.

 

Nah , this is too much fun  

 

 

[2020 Our Year For Sure]

8 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Having mediocrity at quarterback would make Belichick cackle like the devil? Tf is Cowherd talking about

[Buffalo Barbarian]

On 1/30/2020 at 7:01 PM, atlbillsfan1975 said:

Exactly. He goes to a team that really is his best option. A good defensive team, with the best running back, assuming they bring Henry back. 
You could give Tom, Edelman, Gronk, and Moss from the glory days next year and it wouldn’t matter. Tom is done. He will look worse next year. I will bet anyone he doesn’t finish the season as a starter next year. Either gets hurt or benched. 

 

if im the Colts im going hard after Brady because Brissett isnt the answer and they have a great Oline to protect him. Reich knows that rivers chokes in crunch time and would love to work with a guy as clutch as Brady provided the right weapons.

 

 

[Buffalo Barbarian]

On 1/30/2020 at 8:29 PM, YoloinOhio said:

Must have been a quick trip to Nashville ? but ya know, private planes maybe 

 

 

 

She actually looks good in that photo and Tom looks like Butthead.

 

 

[Buffalo Barbarian]

On 2/1/2020 at 11:04 PM, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Montgomery Bell Academy says "Not True"

 

 

 

But maybe yesterday  

 

 

What if the pats tank and draft Trevor Lawrence next year ???

 

 

 

[Buffalo Barbarian]

On 2/27/2020 at 3:30 PM, YoloinOhio said:

 

 

If he's smart he goes to the colts. Grudens isnt changing his system for Tom, chargers owners are terrible, Frank Reich would work great with Tom.

 

 

[Buffalo Barbarian]

15 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

 

 

 

 

[Buffalo Barbarian]

14 hours ago, DCOrange said:

It all boils down to what they think of Jimmy.

 

If I were in their shoes, I would be making my contingency plans this offseason anyways; I would be looking to move Jimmy a year from now so I would want to bring in a rookie this year that can take over in the future.

 

Trading Jimmy now for assets and then significantly upgrading (IMO) to Brady makes sense to me too, even moreso if they end up bringing a young QB in to sit behind Brady for a year or two.

 

The bigger question is whether or not the Jimmy to NE part makes sense, which would depend on what Belichick wants to do there. But at any rate, I'm sure SF could find someone else that would trade assets for Jimmy and that's a win to me as I think he's in the no man's land of QBs. Good enough to get a big contract but bad enough to kill your team's chances because of your contract.

 

not seeing the Jimmy hate here.

 

The niners sux dix without jimmy, and kickbutt with him. Their defense lost them the Superbowl when they let the chiefs score at will in the fourth. Jimmy G played a great game but came up a bit short in the end , getting rid of a QB who elevates the whole team and got them to a Superbowl is a big mistake.

 

 

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

5 hours ago, White Linen said:

I find the idea that the Patriots would allow this circus to go on and not make it obvious they want Brady to retire a Patriot ridiculous.  

 

A truly slimy act, IMO.

 

...the whole melodrama is getting more nauseating daily..................

[atlbillsfan1975]

1 hour ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:

 

if im the Colts im going hard after Brady because Brissett isnt the answer and they have a great Oline to protect him. Reich knows that rivers chokes in crunch time and would love to work with a guy as clutch as Brady provided the right weapons.

 

 

Brady was pretty anti-clutch the last two games of the season. Every play hits a wall. Tom has hit his.

Edited March 5, 2020 by atlbillsfan1975

[Buffalo Barbarian]

Just now, atlbillsfan1975 said:

Brady was pretty anti-clutch the last two games of the season with the Pats. Every player hits a wall. Tom has hit his.

 

True but i think not having consistent WRs really hurt Brady last year. I saw plenty of times when he was lecturing a WR for not doing what he was supposed to. Also losing Gronk or any reliable TE hurt as well, Basically he had  the RB and Edelman and that was it and still won 12 games.Tom was off last year but with good talent i think he can still win.

 

 

[atlbillsfan1975]

19 minutes ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:

 

True but i think not having consistent WRs really hurt Brady last year. I saw plenty of times when he was lecturing a WR for not doing what he was supposed to. Also losing Gronk or any reliable TE hurt as well, Basically he had  the RB and Edelman and that was it and still won 12 games.Tom was off last year but with good talent i think he can still win.

 

 

I am not saying he can’t win. Ryan Tannehill made it to the AFC championship game. I do think Tom’s body is breaking down. Tom can’t make the throws he could 5 years ago. 

[davefan66]

32 minutes ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:

 

not seeing the Jimmy hate here.

 

The niners sux dix without jimmy, and kickbutt with him. Their defense lost them the Superbowl when they let the chiefs score at will in the fourth. Jimmy G played a great game but came up a bit short in the end , getting rid of a QB who elevates the whole team and got them to a Superbowl is a big mistake.

 

 

What if Shanny called the timeouts before half and at least got a FG?  Could been a different game.

 

I don’t see the Niners in A “win now” situation.  Good team, young QB.  Just can’t see them being “all in” on brady.