The Next Pandemic: SARS-CoV-2/COVID-19

[JetsFan20]

1 hour ago, njbuff said:

Why does this have to be political?

 

Fact is that half of this country couldn't give two shyts about politics. They just wanna know what is going to be done about this.

 

And just for the record, nothing short of closing the borders at all angles was ever going to prevent this virus from not getting here.

 

Point is, if you wanna blame someone for the spreading of this virus, put it squarely where it belongs and to whom the blame ONLY  belongs................

 

CHINA.

Trump has egg on his face for publicly downplaying the threat for the past month (probably in an effort to protect the stock market). 
 

That said you are correct. This is a global problem and it was going to be nearly impossible for any administration to curtail this. Politically this is great for the dems, but it’s too big of an issue for them to create a roadblock.

[Commsvet11]

6 minutes ago, Nelius said:

 

It's incredible, although I've watched people who dismissed it two days ago start to realize the gravity of this situation in real time and I can't help but feel bad for them. As if any of us live in a community that can support even hundreds needing ventilation at the same time. Intubation? Better cap that at, what, a dozen at any given time in an urban hospital? Keep in mind that "mild" is considered anything below hospitalization. Roughly 15-18% will need hospitalization. Again, do the math.

 

Sadly some of those that are dismissing it are likely those that really need to take this seriously (ie. old, considering I've seen references to grandkids). I sincerely hope some of you wake up and realize that constantly attempting to prove popular opinion wrong is a dumb goal that ultimately makes you look like an insecure moron. You're not being lied to. You need to wash your ***** hands and avoid crowds.

Sorry, this whole thing is overblown.

[Nelius]

Just now, Commsvet11 said:

Sorry, this whole thing is overblown.

 

Would love to agree with you, but facts say otherwise. It's certainly not overblown in Italy, and we're about 10 days away at the current trend. 

 

"Oh but the flu killed..."

 

Oh but this just started.

[Commsvet11]

1 minute ago, Nelius said:

 

Would love to agree with you, but facts say otherwise. It's certainly not overblown in Italy, and we're about 10 days away at the current trend. 

 

"Oh but the flu killed..."

 

Oh but this just started.

Do you test for for any flu strand  on a daily basis? 

[Nelius]

Just now, Commsvet11 said:

Do you test for for any flu strand  on a daily basis? 

 

What exactly do you gain by dismissing an actual pandemic?

[Taraka]

7 minutes ago, Nelius said:

 

Would love to agree with you, but facts say otherwise. It's certainly not overblown in Italy, and we're about 10 days away at the current trend. 

 

"Oh but the flu killed..."

 

Oh but this just started.

here's information for the "flu" comparisons

https://www.yahoo.com/news/coronavirus-10-times-more-lethal-162500056.html

 

 

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Coronavirus is 10 times more lethal than the seasonal flu, Trump's task force immunologist says

 

Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, told lawmakers during a House Oversight Committee hearing Wednesday that COVID-19 — the disease caused by the novel coronavirus — is probably about 10 times more lethal than the seasonal flu.

President Trump has often compared COVID-19 to the flu, which affects tens of thousands of Americans each year, in an effort to calm people down, but Fauci clearly wasn't trying to downplay the seriousness of the virus' spread. Fauci is a member of the White House's coronavirus task force.

 

 

Edited March 12, 2020 by ~Kostabi~

[Commsvet11]

Just now, Nelius said:

 

What exactly do you gain by dismissing an actual pandemic?

I actually do the testing for Flu strands everyday. When I say it’s overblown, you may want to listen.

[Nelius]

Just now, Commsvet11 said:

I actually do the testing for Flu strands everyday. When I say it’s overblown, you may want to listen.

 

Yeah, no sorry, that's not really how this works. For all you know I'm an infectious disease expert...so you should listen to me.

 

In reality however I'm not going to get my infectious disease advice from anybody on a Buffalo Bills message board. Maaaaaybe if Bud Carpenter had an account. Are you also Bud Carpenter?

[Nelius]

6 minutes ago, ~Kostabi~ said:

here's information for the "flu" comparisons

https://www.yahoo.com/news/coronavirus-10-times-more-lethal-162500056.html

 

Thank you. This is an apolitical, Trump-praised dude that works with Trump, so we should all be able to come together now and agree that this is at least 10x worse than the flu, and we should all wash our ***** hands and avoid crowds.

[Commsvet11]

12 minutes ago, Nelius said:

 

Yeah, no sorry, that's not really how this works. For all you know I'm an infectious disease expert...so you should listen to me.

 

In reality however I'm not going to get my infectious disease advice from anybody on a Buffalo Bills message board. Maaaaaybe if Bud Carpenter had an account. Are you also Bud Carpenter?

Is that hard to believe a Medical Lab Scientist is on a message board?  
 

I can tell your not in medical field because you actually think the medical field isn’t political. That’s adorable.

[Hedge]

 

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Edited March 12, 2020 by Hedge

[Nelius]

47 minutes ago, Commsvet11 said:

Is that hard to believe a Medical Lab Scientist is on a message board?  
 

I can tell your not in medical field because you actually think the medical field isn’t political. That’s adorable.

 

It's not personal, I just have no idea who you are, and experts that I've been listening to for weeks now disagree. All real, nonpolitical information that I've been tracking since January, including the awesome and highly recommended John Hopkins tracker site, has shown an incredible rate of infection. That's real - if you're 6-8 feet away from a person with this disease you can catch it. That's insanely concerning. I don't care if the death rate is 0.01%. If 50-70% of the population catches it it's an unprecedented ordeal that none of us have seen in our lifetimes. Except the case fatality rate for this virus is about 3% (6% in Italy, oddly), so why not take this seriously? I'm in Colorado where it has jumped from 8 cases to nearly 40 in about 48 hours, so this is clearly spreading. We've confirmed community spread here. Confirmed community spread of a virus 10x more lethal than the flu? Of course that's concerning. 

 

Looking back through this thread though it seems this had a political slant from the start and is not really intended for real conversation about this disease, so I apologize for plugging up the party. So sorry, so sars. Still hope you all wash your hands and consider saying no to the next Goo Goo Dolls concert though.

 

 

Edited March 12, 2020 by Nelius

[Deranged Rhino]

 

Enemy of the people 

(at least people who have working frontal lobes)

[Commsvet11]

54 minutes ago, Nelius said:

 

It's not personal, I just have no idea who you are, and experts that I've been listening to for weeks now disagree. All real, nonpolitical information that I've been tracking since January, including the awesome and highly recommended John Hopkins tracker site, has shown an incredible rate of infection. That's real - if you're 6-8 feet away from a person with this disease you can catch it. That's insanely concerning. I don't care if the death rate is 0.01%. If 50-70% of the population catches it it's an unprecedented ordeal that none of us have seen in our lifetimes. Except the case fatality rate for this virus is about 3% (6% in Italy, oddly), so why not take this seriously? I'm in Colorado where it has jumped from 8 cases to nearly 40 in about 48 hours, so this is clearly spreading. We've confirmed community spread here. Confirmed community spread of a virus 10x more lethal than the flu? Of course that's concerning. 

 

Looking back through this thread though it seems this had a political slant from the start and is not really intended for real conversation about this disease, so I apologize for plugging up the party. So sorry, so sars. Still hope you all wash your hands and consider saying no to the next Goo Goo Dolls concert though.

 

 

I don’t take it seriously because there is a 90% and up recovery rate. 

 

[Buffalo_Gal]

6 hours ago, ALF said:

Travel ban from Europe , hope Buffalo Gal makes it back from Spain before it takes effect. 

Thanks, but the ban does not apply to American citizens (yet).  I expect we will be self-quarantined when we head back home in a few weeks.

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The countries affected include: Austria, Belgium, Czech Republic, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Iceland, Italy, Latvia, Liechtenstein, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Malta, Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Portugal, Slovakia, Slovenia, Spain, Sweden, and Switzerland.
 

The restrictions do not apply to American residents or to travel from the UK. Most immediate family members of US citizens are exempt.

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[CoudyBills]

5 hours ago, Nelius said:

 

A response team led by a man who saw an HIV infection spread so he could first pray about the idea of safe needle exchange, which has only been proven to work time and time again. You're utterly insane if you don't think Trump was completely blindsided by all of this. He's admitted as much! He said the entire world was blindsided, which is actual horseshit. 

Get over yourself.  

[PaoloBillsFanFromItaly]

From what I read here it seems that republicans believed what Trump said: Covid is not a problem in the USA, it is only a problem in Europe due to European mismanagent,  so the solution is just to shut down flights from Europe.

Who says that the government is wrong is addressed as "democrat", and his/her criticism is considered a free attack to the President and not based on scientific evidence.

 

Let me say something, in Italy was the opposite, because the "left" wing is in charge.

So the right wing was asking stronger measures and the "left wing party" was  addressing them as people who want to make free criticism to the government and exploit the situation to rise their status among the citizens.

 

Now the reality is that who is in charge does not want to stop a country, does not want stop the economy, people in charge don't want to take unpopular decisions for something "little more than a flu". They prefer to say that the covid is a problem "elsewhere", in Italy we said that the problem was only in China, Germany is saying that the problem is only in Italy, USA is saying that the problem is only in Europe.

 

Until the hospitals will begin to be full of people that need machines to be able to breath.

It happened in China, it is happening here in Italy, it will happen in France, Germany, and USA.

 

And forgive my english, sometimes is not so easy writing in a foreign language.

[H2o]

6 hours ago, Nelius said:

 

300+ new cases today. Wasn't somebody that we all know crowing about only 15 cases or so just a week ago? Look, you don't need to panic, but you really should start taking this seriously. Do the math, man. A time when a real infectious disease is just starting to run rampant is not really a time to scream about past infectious disease scares. If anything, you'd think we would have learned something with all of that training instead of gutting the CDC...

There's a difference from taking things seriously and flipping the heck out over it. For instance, because of how people get in these situations and the possible ramifications due to the media induced panic, I did some extra food shopping and whatnot. Just in case they basically try to quarantine everyone like they are doing in Italy. I will always prepare to make sure me and my family are taken care of. I'm not going to go out and buy 20 cases of TP, 30 cases of water, and 100 bottles of hand sanitizer though. The fact of the matter is the demographic this is affecting more so than others, older people and those with existing medical conditions which cause worse ramifications. The death rate at this point pales in comparison to other "panic-demics" they have pushed on us in recent years. I'm not saying the virus itself is a hoax, but I do believe that the national media is nothing more than a bunch of propaganda based fearmongers. I have further thoughts on the situation as to the reasons why things are the way they are, but I will keep them to myself at this current point in time. 

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

5 hours ago, Hedge said:

 

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NBC news reporting on the travel ban. Paraphrased:

 

”People are questioning why it does not extend to UK or Ireland.  Some believe it’s because Trump has resorts in Ireland, and that it’s a reward to the UK for exiting the European Union, something that Trump supported.”

 

I keep thinking there are limits to how incredibly disingenuous and dangerous these people are, and am constantly surprised at how there are no limits at all.  
 

[3rdnlng]

5 hours ago, Nelius said:

 

A response team led by a man who saw an HIV infection spread so he could first pray about the idea of safe needle exchange, which has only been proven to work time and time again. You're utterly insane if you don't think Trump was completely blindsided by all of this. He's admitted as much! He said the entire world was blindsided, which is actual horseshit. 

You are not being very truthful here. Pence overrode Indiana law in order to allow for the needle exchange. Injecting rumors, innuendo and NYT's opinions about something 5 years ago into today's crisis smacks purely of political bias. We all know that the coronavirus is a crisis and we were all in a way blindsided by it. Action was taken quickly here in the U.S. as far as restricting entry and we are now extending those restrictions to Europe, mainly due to their lack of stringent rules or response there. Who here has disagreed with the good practices needed to attempt to avoid the virus and limit its spread? I'm sure we are in agreement regarding that. What I don't agree with are the political attacks on the Trump administration regarding the actions and the misrepresentations of what he has said. I object to the politicizing of the administration's efforts that is coming from the Left and the MSM. If this wasn't such a serious issue it would be humorous. You guys objecting to our objections of you guys making this political. 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

President Donald Trump's mic was on before he delivered a speech on the US response to tackling the coronavirus outbreak, which has infected over 1,300 people and killed 38 others. 

 

"Oh f****" Trump said before delivering the speech. "Uh oh, I've got a pen mark."

He then asked his staff for "any white stuff."

 

Thanks for being 6 week late on controlling this.

 

What was he doing?  At  Mar-a-Lago alone - Golfing, hosting Super Bowl Parties, golfing, golfing with some Nationals players.

He even took a trip to India and brought some of his family on the trip.  

 

 

President Donald Trump’s new European travel restrictions have a convenient side effect: They exempt nations where three Trump-owned golf resorts are located.

 

 

 

 

before you criticize me 

 

Come visit my work campus and I will give you a guided tour of the Infected areas CLOSED FOR CLEANSING! 

 

Edited March 12, 2020 by SlimShady'sGhost

[CoudyBills]

4 minutes ago, SlimShady'sGhost said:

President Donald Trump's mic was on before he delivered a speech on the US response to tackling the coronavirus outbreak, which has infected over 1,300 people and killed 38 others. 

 

"Oh f****" Trump said before delivering the speech. "Uh oh, I've got a pen mark."

He then asked his staff for "any white stuff."

 

Thanks for being 6 week late on controlling this.

 

What was he doing?  At  Mar-a-Lago alone - Golfing, hosting Super Bowl Parties, golfing, a family trip to India, golfing with some Nationals players, 

 

 

President Donald Trump’s new European travel restrictions have a convenient side effect: They exempt nations where three Trump-owned golf resorts are located.

 

 

 

 

before you criticize me 

 

Come visit my work campus and I will give you a guided tour of the Infected areas CLOSED FOR CLEANSING! 

 

You should drink drano.  I hear it prevents TDS.  

[Tiberius]

14 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

NBC news reporting on the travel ban. Paraphrased:

 

”People are questioning why it does not extend to UK or Ireland.  Some believe it’s because Trump has resorts in Ireland, and that it’s a reward to the UK for exiting the European Union, something that Trump supported.”

 

I keep thinking there are limits to how incredibly disingenuous and dangerous these people are, and am constantly surprised at how there are no limits at all.  
 

Trump does think that way though. Corrupt, greedy people like Trump always think of their own interests first 

[4merper4mer]

34 minutes ago, PaoloBillsFanFromItaly said:

From what I read here it seems that republicans believed what Trump said: Covid is not a problem in the USA, it is only a problem in Europe due to European mismanagent,  so the solution is just to shut down flights from Europe.

Who says that the government is wrong is addressed as "democrat", and his/her criticism is considered a free attack to the President and not based on scientific evidence.

 

Let me say something, in Italy was the opposite, because the "left" wing is in charge.

So the right wing was asking stronger measures and the "left wing party" was  addressing them as people who want to make free criticism to the government and exploit the situation to rise their status among the citizens.

 

Now the reality is that who is in charge does not want to stop a country, does not want stop the economy, people in charge don't want to take unpopular decisions for something "little more than a flu". They prefer to say that the covid is a problem "elsewhere", in Italy we said that the problem was only in China, Germany is saying that the problem is only in Italy, USA is saying that the problem is only in Europe.

 

Until the hospitals will begin to be full of people that need machines to be able to breath.

It happened in China, it is happening here in Italy, it will happen in France, Germany, and USA.

 

And forgive my english, sometimes is not so easy writing in a foreign language.

Your papers have mischaracterized what Trump has said.

[Warren Zevon]

2 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said:

Your papers have mischaracterized what Trump has said.

 

All you needed to do was watch Trump last night. He (sort of) banned travel from Europe (though they walked back this ban after his speech) and said nothing specific about what is being done in the United States to control community spread.

[4merper4mer]

1 minute ago, Gary Busey said:

 

All you needed to do was watch Trump last night. He (sort of) banned travel from Europe (though they walked back this ban after his speech) and said nothing specific about what is being done in the United States to control community spread.

The two hour press daily press conference doesn't cover that?

[Warren Zevon]

Just now, 4merper4mer said:

The two hour press daily press conference doesn't cover that?

 

No. The entire country was tuned in last night to watch the leader of the free world and he mischaracterized his own travel ban and gave zero specifics on what is being done in the United States to control spread. 

[GG]

2 minutes ago, Gary Busey said:

 

All you needed to do was watch Trump last night. He (sort of) banned travel from Europe (though they walked back this ban after his speech) and said nothing specific about what is being done in the United States to control community spread.

 

In order for him to do that within the confines of the speech, he would have to declare martial law and usurp local and state government control.

[Warren Zevon]

Just now, GG said:

 

In order for him to do that within the confines of the speech, he would have to declare martial law and usurp local and state government control.

 

I disagree - see Merkel's speech a couple of days ago. That's a real leader. 

 

Good luck everyone I'm signing off this thread for awhile. 

[Doc]

6 hours ago, Nelius said:

A response team led by a man who saw an HIV infection spread so he could first pray about the idea of safe needle exchange, which has only been proven to work time and time again. You're utterly insane if you don't think Trump was completely blindsided by all of this. He's admitted as much! He said the entire world was blindsided, which is actual horseshit. 

 

Trump banned travel from China before anyone else in the world.  If everyone had done that, we'd be far better off. 

 

And if China had told the world back in December when they knew, much less restricted travel from Wuhan...

 

4 hours ago, Commsvet11 said:

I don’t take it seriously because there is a 90% and up recovery rate. 

 

Everyone should take it seriously.  Not panic, but use common sense (which, admittedly, isn't so common). 

 

29 minutes ago, SlimShady'sGhost said:

President Donald Trump's mic was on before he delivered a speech on the US response to tackling the coronavirus outbreak, which has infected over 1,300 people and killed 38 others. 

 

"Oh f****" Trump said before delivering the speech. "Uh oh, I've got a pen mark."

He then asked his staff for "any white stuff."

 

Thanks for being 6 week late on controlling this.

 

What was he doing?  At  Mar-a-Lago alone - Golfing, hosting Super Bowl Parties, golfing, golfing with some Nationals players.

He even took a trip to India and brought some of his family on the trip.  

 

 

President Donald Trump’s new European travel restrictions have a convenient side effect: They exempt nations where three Trump-owned golf resorts are located.

 

 

 

 

before you criticize me 

 

Come visit my work campus and I will give you a guided tour of the Infected areas CLOSED FOR CLEANSING! 

 

 

Is travel from Scotland restricted?  Because he owns resorts there as well.

[4merper4mer]

Just now, Gary Busey said:

 

I disagree - see Merkel's speech a couple of days ago. That's a real leader. 

What about you boy Xi?  We should be just like that.

[GG]

4 minutes ago, Gary Busey said:

 

I disagree - see Merkel's speech a couple of days ago. That's a real leader. 

 

Good luck everyone I'm signing off this thread for awhile. 

 

Yeah, because German laws are the same as US laws?

 

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Every community faces different risks, and it is critical for you to follow the guidelines of your local officials who are working closely with our federal health experts -- and they are the best. For all Americans, it is essential that everyone take extra precautions and practice good hygiene.

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

The effects on everyday life will increase. My neighbor is a renowned scientist at the University of Rochester. He owns this biotech company that has made some significant discoveries. I will try to catch up with him this weekend to see how optimistic he is. It does not sound like it is THE cure, but any type of deterrent could slow the panic.

 

 

ROC biotech company says lab tests of former cancer drug confirm it stops COVID-19

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by Jane Flasch-13 WHAM NEWS

Wednesday, March 11th 2020

 

Rochester, N.Y. - A vaccine for COVID-19 is likely years away. Yet a drug tested in a lab three weeks ago has been found to stop the virus from spreading from cell to cell.

The stunning announcement comes from a Rochester biotech company called OyaGen, Inc. The company is seeking to fast-track the formula to treat people who become infected.

"A treatment right now is the priority," said Dr. Harold Smith of OyaGen. He added the drug already has FDA approval for another use.

The tests were conducted at the federal government's integrated research facility in Fort Detrick, Md. A drug called Oya 1 had already been proven in lab tests there to be effective against Ebola.

https://13wham.com/news/local/roc-biotech-company-says-lab-tests-of-former-cancer-drug-confirm-it-stops-covid-19

[PaoloBillsFanFromItaly]

It is written by an american doctor working in Rome.

I think it is worth a read:

 

https://www.thelocal.it/20200306/coronavirus-italy-is-notorious-for-disorganization-but-this-time-its-bested-the-us?fbclid=IwAR0tcaUA1c4qzH0YGf4Ptb0kvqMsdYhFmNlD8iCCL8x3N-XZUEWviue0k9g

[3rdnlng]

14 minutes ago, PaoloBillsFanFromItaly said:

It is written by an american doctor working in Rome.

I think it is worth a read:

 

https://www.thelocal.it/20200306/coronavirus-italy-is-notorious-for-disorganization-but-this-time-its-bested-the-us?fbclid=IwAR0tcaUA1c4qzH0YGf4Ptb0kvqMsdYhFmNlD8iCCL8x3N-XZUEWviue0k9g

An American doctor, who has been practicing medicine in Italy for 40 years has been getting her information about the USA from sources with a political agenda. 

 

"Then there’s the politics of an election year. Our real experts on the science and the handling of epidemics, such as Dr. Anthony Fauci, are being sidelined and even muzzled, while the coronavirus task force is run by Vice-President Mike Pence, who as governor of Indiana suggested the best response to the state’s HIV epidemic was prayer."

[Taro T]

Nothing the administration has done to date regarding the Coronavirus had gone uncriticized, so no surprise the speech last night was criticized as well.

 

Really don't want to see martial law implemented, so people need to do their part.  Clean your hands well (that last part is what gets everybody) and don't be a putz.  Unless you're elderly &/or immunocompromised you are almost surely going to survive this.  But take reasonable steps to prevent yourself from contracting it & more importantly from passing it on.  The person 2 people down the chain that you pass it to could very well be someone that this is life threatening towards.

 

Don't hoard, but be prepared.  Our society is set up to allow an unprecedented level of teleconferencing / working from home.  If you can do that, do so.  If your job doesn't allow you to do that, then go to work but be smart.  If everybody actually thinks about the welfare of their neighbor, we'll get through this quicker and more successfully than if they don't.  Do your part & don't worry about whatever action / inaction 45 or Cuomo, or whomever your governor is takes.

 

The economy is tanking & will take a short term hit.  But we'll recover.  Be smart & get through this people.  We're all in this together.

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

1 hour ago, Tiberius said:

Trump does think that way though. Corrupt, greedy people like Trump always think of their own interests first 

Does he?  Fascinating to hear from one of the “people” referenced by the crackerjack journalist on NBC.  In related news, some people are saying a European travel ban would have no impact whatsoever on the massive tourism industry in the US, and thus The Trump Organization will be unaffected by the ban. 
 

When I was a kid, we would have called those people ruhtards. 

[Foxx]

10 hours ago, Hardhatharry said:

Yea when they just started saying dumb and idiot you kind of know what you post they won't read anyway. I have good stuff a few pages back but since then it's been more laughing at the extremists that plague these forums. 

you have posted good stuff? 

 

where? 

 

surely not on this forum. outside links ?

[Keukasmallies]

22 hours ago, Hardhatharry said:

You just killed any argument by trying to use the flu excuse... Go look back at past posts to see why your argument is moot.

 

Well, it wasn't offered as an argument, only as an observation that for years much the same thing has been happening with little notice when compared to today.  Not only has COVID-19 been around for years, but the flu de jour as well.  See it as a hindsight thing; we should have been gearing up for "tomorrow" for a long time.

[US Egg]

8 hours ago, Nelius said:

some of you would rather get your news from Trump's economic adviser, or assistant to the press secretary, or whoever was tapped to talk to cameras for the day. 

I get my advice from Stan the caddy.