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Jordan Phillips - put my stats this year against anybody - I'm a top 3 DT

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56 minutes ago, JoPoy88 said:


lol yeah because he’s a sure thing. Amazing how certain people will go to bat for certain players that haven’t proven squat. Certainly not anything close to what Phillips proved this season. Wonder why that is? 🤔🤔🤔

Harry was hurt and out for the season. Kind of hard to prove anything from the sideline in street clothes. 
 

I like Jordan Phillips a lot. But only at the right price. 
 

And no, you’re little subtextual message was not lost on me. I’m just dismissing it. 

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1 hour ago, MAJBobby said:

89M cap room, there is enough money to do whatever they want.  I am not worried about that they could give Phillips 10M AVV and still go sign that top DE at 18M AVV

I think you mean AAV.

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It's most likely his only chance for big money. Of course he's going to say this stuff.  All of you here would do the same thing for $$

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2 hours ago, DCOrange said:

I like him, but if he's going into negotiations thinking top 3 money is actually his starting position, I can't imagine a deal getting done. He's going to have to give in wayyyyy more than that. I wouldn't want to pay him half that personally.

 

I think that’s exactly what Beane was alluding to when he said “Phillips has earned the right to test the market in FA”.

My guess is that he knows how Phillips thinks of himself (top 3 DT) and that while the Bills value him, we don’t value him to that degree given McD’s desire for a rotational system.

 

He’s saying we understand how you see yourself, if you get someone else to see you that way, Godspeed and Good Luck.

 

I feel JP may contribute more to the team than they see him as contributing, but probably not to that extent.

 

2 hours ago, BuffaloBill963 said:

Anything to back up this assertion about being a liability against the run? 

 

I was wondering that myself

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14 minutes ago, colin said:

im torn because he was productive and keeping our guys makes the team better, but big dollars on a guy who is just not good vs the run ain't it.

 

I’m curious about where this ‘not good against the run’ theme comes from

 

 

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6 minutes ago, nucci said:

It's most likely his only chance for big money. Of course he's going to say this stuff.  All of you here would do the same thing for $$

 

Right. Players always hype their value when they are entering FA. It's all part of the negotiation. Everybody knows this including the FOs league wide. There is no harm in it and no negative inferences need be taken.

Having said that not at 17 per. JP and his agent prolly both know and understand that. Still, if someone is ready to pony up, more power to the player.

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He has been a very good pick up by the Bills.  Beane and his staff are wizards.  However, he is likely to get greatly overpaid by someone and that should not be the Bills.  Oliver and Harry are the future, at DT and they can fill the rotation from there.  Personally, I would rather see them retain Shaq and cut Murphy loose.  

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1 minute ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I’m curious about where this ‘not good against the run’ theme comes from

 

 

The game tape

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2 hours ago, Perk71 said:

I'm wondering if they have already received initial offers from the team and they might feel slighted. They being Phillips and Lawson.

Just a thought from me with nothing to back it up.

 

Go Bills!!

 

Seems like a reasonable hypothesis

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The Bills cannot sink that type of money into both Phillips and Star. Phillips is not a top 3 DT. He will get a nice contract from someone but I highly doubt he repeats his stats. 

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Phillips- 543 snaps (52%); 9.5 sacks; 16 QB hits; 20 QB Pressures; 31 tackles; 13 tackles for loss

 

Bills Comparison

Oliver- 556 snaps (54%); 5 sacks; 8 QB hits; 12 QB pressures; 43 tackles; 5 tackles for loss

Star- 482 snaps (46%); 2 sacks; 3 QB hits; 4 QB pressures; 19 tackles; 3 tackles for loss

 

Non-Bills Comparison

A Donald- 926 snaps (84%); 12.5 sacks; 24 QB hits; 32 QB hurries; 48 tackles; 20 tackles for loss

C Jones- 646 snaps (58%); 9 sacks; 20 QB hits; 27 QB hurries; 36 tackles; 8 tackles for loss

 

Phillips is right up there. If he goes who replaces him pressuring from the front 4?

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7 minutes ago, ngbills said:

Phillips- 543 snaps (52%); 9.5 sacks; 16 QB hits; 20 QB Pressures; 31 tackles; 13 tackles for loss

 

Bills Comparison

Oliver- 556 snaps (54%); 5 sacks; 8 QB hits; 12 QB pressures; 43 tackles; 5 tackles for loss

Star- 482 snaps (46%); 2 sacks; 3 QB hits; 4 QB pressures; 19 tackles; 3 tackles for loss

 

Non-Bills Comparison

A Donald- 926 snaps (84%); 12.5 sacks; 24 QB hits; 32 QB hurries; 48 tackles; 20 tackles for loss

C Jones- 646 snaps (58%); 9 sacks; 20 QB hits; 27 QB hurries; 36 tackles; 8 tackles for loss

 

Phillips is right up there. If he goes who replaces him pressuring from the front 4?

 

Oliver is already ahead of Phillips in terms of pass rush win rate:

 

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/27584726/nfl-pass-blocking-pass-rushing-rankings-2019-pbwr-prwr-leaderboard

Top 10 DT Pass Rush Win Rate

1. Aaron Donald, Rams, 25%
2. Grady Jarrett, Falcons, 22%
3. Chris Jones, Chiefs, 19%
4. Maliek Collins, Cowboys, 16%
5. Quinton Jefferson, Seahawks, 16%
6. Calais Campbell, Jaguars, 15%
7. Ed Oliver, Bills, 15%
8. Denico Autry, Colts, 14%
9. Matt Ioannidis, Redskins, 13%
10. Vita Vea, Buccaneers, 13%

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1 minute ago, DCOrange said:

 

Oliver is already ahead of Phillips in terms of pass rush win rate:

 

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/27584726/nfl-pass-blocking-pass-rushing-rankings-2019-pbwr-prwr-leaderboard

Top 10 DT Pass Rush Win Rate

1. Aaron Donald, Rams, 25%
2. Grady Jarrett, Falcons, 22%
3. Chris Jones, Chiefs, 19%
4. Maliek Collins, Cowboys, 16%
5. Quinton Jefferson, Seahawks, 16%
6. Calais Campbell, Jaguars, 15%
7. Ed Oliver, Bills, 15%
8. Denico Autry, Colts, 14%
9. Matt Ioannidis, Redskins, 13%
10. Vita Vea, Buccaneers, 13%

 

MMMM love me some of that pass rush win rate action

 

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9 minutes ago, DCOrange said:

 

Oliver is already ahead of Phillips in terms of pass rush win rate:

 

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/27584726/nfl-pass-blocking-pass-rushing-rankings-2019-pbwr-prwr-leaderboard

Top 10 DT Pass Rush Win Rate

1. Aaron Donald, Rams, 25%
2. Grady Jarrett, Falcons, 22%
3. Chris Jones, Chiefs, 19%
4. Maliek Collins, Cowboys, 16%
5. Quinton Jefferson, Seahawks, 16%
6. Calais Campbell, Jaguars, 15%
7. Ed Oliver, Bills, 15%
8. Denico Autry, Colts, 14%
9. Matt Ioannidis, Redskins, 13%
10. Vita Vea, Buccaneers, 13%

Interesting...wonder why his QB hits, hurries, etc are so low then. Is he winning off the ball but getting picked up? Slow to find and get to the QB. 

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Would love to have him back but the lack of DT in this league make him a hot commodity I dont want to play against him hope he signs with NFC North 

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1 minute ago, ngbills said:

Interesting...wonder why his QB hits, hurries, etc are so low then. Is he winning off the ball but getting picked up? Slow to find and get to the QB. 

Would have to look at the film for that, but pass rush win rate is based on beating your man before 2.5 seconds, so based on that, it would seem Phillips generally picked up his sacks on slower developing plays where coverage held up or pressure from other players forced the QB to step into Phillips.

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59 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I’m curious about where this ‘not good against the run’ theme comes from

 

 

I'm too lazy and not vested in this argument to look it up, but IIRC Cover1 and others were showing this on twitter over the past few weeks and throughout the season

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He benefitted from our defensive schemes that allowed him to get to the QB.  He had a really good year.  

 

Let him test the market.  There may just be somebody out there who wants to pay him 17 million a year.  I doubt it. 

 

With Harrison and Ed coming back, I'm not sure we need him.  For that matter, I say we cut loose Star.  Not worth $10 million any more.  We have Vincent Taylor ready to play too. 

 

But then again, we had a top 2 defense.  

 

Glad it's not my call.  

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10 minutes ago, TC in St. Louis said:

He benefitted from our defensive schemes that allowed him to get to the QB.  He had a really good year.  

 

Let him test the market.  There may just be somebody out there who wants to pay him 17 million a year.  I doubt it. 

 

With Harrison and Ed coming back, I'm not sure we need him.  For that matter, I say we cut loose Star.  Not worth $10 million any more.  We have Vincent Taylor ready to play too. 

 

But then again, we had a top 2 defense.  

 

Glad it's not my call.  

I think they keep Star one more year because his contract is still to big of a hit if they cut him.  Agree with everything else.

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I have a feeling the Bills will let him walk. Hard to pay 💰 a guy top 3 money when we just drafted #9 overall at the same position and it looks like Ed Oliver is going to be a star in the league. Plus Horrible Harry will be back health and motivated next year. 

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Desperation move.  Superman never had to tell anybody how strong he was.  Good bye Phillips.   

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2 hours ago, BillsMafi$ said:

This is why I don’t resign him. Not a “process” guy and if he gets his deal I see a lack of production 

 

I think he’s been a damn good process guy.

 

The problem is, I think Beane is determined to be thrifty with the cap and Phillips has done enough to earn a payday.

The problem is, where lines are concerned sometimes you get what you pay for

 

1 hour ago, FLFan said:

He has been a very good pick up by the Bills.  Beane and his staff are wizards.  However, he is likely to get greatly overpaid by someone and that should not be the Bills.  Oliver and Harry are the future, at DT and they can fill the rotation from there.  Personally, I would rather see them retain Shaq and cut Murphy loose.  

 

That’s pretty much what Beane implied in his presser.

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