mannc Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 Just now, MAJBobby said: Yeah not sure what my phone posted there. Meant to say So McD overdrafts DEs. Only two DEs with first round grades Are Young and Esperanza. The rest are bumper because of lack of talent at the position. Don’t overdraft. I don’t know if those guys are first round talents or not. I’m just talking about what I think the Bills will do if they are available. I think Chaisson is in play as a Lorenzo replacement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 Just now, mannc said: I don’t know if those guys are first round talents or not. I’m just talking about what I think the Bills will do if they are available. I think Chaisson is in play as a Lorenzo replacement. I don’t think Value oriented Beane will overdraft in a position that isn’t on the field all the time. We were in nickel a TON this season meaning Alexander was on the Bench. Get an AJ Klein at LBer and solved. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Tomcat Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 26 minutes ago, warrior9 said: He's not a free agent until 2022, didn't have a great year, will be 30, has had concussions, etc... pass. I am aware he's not a FA. We should trade for him. Carolina will listen to interesting offers. He still has some game left and would be the veteran in the LB crew Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warrior9 Posted January 8, 2020 Author Share Posted January 8, 2020 45 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: Yeah not sure what my phone posted there. Meant to say So McD overdrafts DEs. Only two DEs with first round grades Are Young and Esperanza. The rest are bumper because of lack of talent at the position. Don’t overdraft. He over drafts DEs? Didnt we only draft Johnson in the 6th round? What other DE has he drafted? 35 minutes ago, The Tomcat said: I am aware he's not a FA. We should trade for him. Carolina will listen to interesting offers. He still has some game left and would be the veteran in the LB crew But why give up assets to get a 30 year old player with a 10 mill cap hit? I mean, if this year is any indication, he's definitely on the downside of his career now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 2 minutes ago, warrior9 said: He over drafts DEs? Didnt we only draft Johnson in the 6th round? What other DE has he drafted? But why give up assets to get a 30 year old player with a 10 mill cap hit? I mean, if this year is any indication, he's definitely on the downside of his career now. would be taking prospects a round too high be overdrafting? You are missing the point here. There are two DEs that have first round grades IMO. That’s it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warrior9 Posted January 8, 2020 Author Share Posted January 8, 2020 1 minute ago, MAJBobby said: would be taking prospects a round too high be overdrafting? You are missing the point here. There are two DEs that have first round grades IMO. That’s it. I guess I'm asking if you're saying McD overdrafts DE's or if you're asking if he should. I'm not sure there is evidence to suggest he's ever over drafted a DE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 (edited) 7 minutes ago, warrior9 said: I guess I'm asking if you're saying McD overdrafts DE's or if you're asking if he should. I'm not sure there is evidence to suggest he's ever over drafted a DE. Follow the conversation. I mentioned the over drafting to two specific players that are not graded IMO as first round talents. and are being artificially propped up by a weak DE class at the top. Edited January 8, 2020 by MAJBobby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warrior9 Posted January 8, 2020 Author Share Posted January 8, 2020 (edited) 6 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: Follow the conversation. I mentioned the over drafting to two specific players that are not graded IMO as first round talents. and are being artificially propped up by a weak DE class at the top. Gotcha, gotcha. I was trying to follow it but didn't really make sense to me at first. Now it does. I got you, my guy. Edited January 8, 2020 by warrior9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 1 minute ago, warrior9 said: Gotcha, gotcha. I was trying to follow it but didn't really make sense to me at first. Now it does. I got you, my guy. no prob. now if you trade back (get extra picks) then take one that would make up for the overdraft a bit because of the extra pick(s) acquired in the trade back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 5 hours ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said: Lorenzo offered great flexiblity because he played two different positions, but he is super low on the list of positions that need players. He played infrequently as a strong side linebackers. The Bills were more often than not in their nickle package, which makes sense given how much 11 personnel teams run. We of course need a strong side guy, but that player will not get more than 25% of snaps. I wouldn't invest high priced assets in finding that player. The rest of Lorenzo's time on the field was as a pass rusher. We of course need pass rushers, but that is nothing new. I think everyone here already new we needed a new edge rusher. Milano actually played alot of strong side LBr this year and moved over to weakside in nickel Zo was weakside a bunch in base Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherlock Holmes Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 6 hours ago, warrior9 said: In this defense, McDermott/Frazier used Lorenzo is a lot of different packages. 1st and 2nd down when on the field he played a pretty standard 4-3 LB. Where it gets interesting is on third down, he played the 3 tech (standing up) and would rush off the edge. He's 6'1 245ish so he is a pretty big body. I think his athleticism is ~ avg for an NFL LB. Do they (or you) think that Vosean Joseph is this guy? He is 6'1 230 or so (now has had a full year to train so may be more now), hes super athletic, and has awesome instincts but i'm unfamiliar with his coverage ability. I hate that we couldn't really see him play this year. In an ideal world, he is the guy. An LB corp with Edmunds, Milano, and Joseph would be an insanely athletic and fast group. What do you think they do to replace him and/or what you like them to do to replace him? Trade for Kuechly and slide Tremaine over Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warrior9 Posted January 8, 2020 Author Share Posted January 8, 2020 47 minutes ago, Sherlock Holmes said: Trade for Kuechly and slide Tremaine over But why give up assets to get a 30 year old player with a 10 mill cap hit? I mean, if this year is any indication, he's definitely on the downside of his career now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherlock Holmes Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 (edited) 32 minutes ago, warrior9 said: But why give up assets to get a 30 year old player with a 10 mill cap hit? I mean, if this year is any indication, he's definitely on the downside of his career now. Best MLB to ever play... people didn't talk about Ray Lewis like this. Way everybody talks Kuechly should be had for a 7th conditional then right? Forgot to add... we don't lose our game with Kuechly in charge... our young guys need somebody to make sure mistakes are limited, he's that guy. We win the Super Bowl with Kuechly QBing our D Edited January 8, 2020 by Sherlock Holmes 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luka Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 In a perfect world they move Edmunds to Lorax's spot and they put Joseph in the middle. I'm still not sold on Edmunds as a middle linebacker. He's tall and lanky, so he has trouble getting leverage on backs. Too many times I see him hanging off the back of the RB as he leaves the hole because Edmunds can't get his pads low enough. However, I think with his speed and the addition of 10 pounds he could be an absolute monster on the outside. He's very good in coverage (when it isn't zone) and has proven disruptive when getting after the QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fmr60 Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 6 hours ago, CountryCletus said: I would sign Cory Littleton from the Rams as a UFA... he’s a stud MLB, and then slide Edmunds outside. I think we need improvement over Milano as well- he would be a good rotational LB, but every down player, he is not I concur with your thought of moving Edmunds outside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 1 hour ago, MAJBobby said: no prob. now if you trade back (get extra picks) then take one that would make up for the overdraft a bit because of the extra pick(s) acquired in the trade back. No trade backs, we need elite talent and true playmakers on offense and a playmaking DE. Jesus bring up trade backs and the plebs on this board will start thinking that is the correct move - we aren't the Phins or Jets trying to fillout an NFL roster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carbonpoke Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 https://www.si.com/college/wyoming/cowboy-up/one-last-time-logan-wilson-is-about-us-not-me-skipping-arizona-bowl-was-not-an-option 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Junction Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 (edited) 7 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: I wouldn’t sink a ton of money or a high pick into another LB when you already have Milano and Edmunds. I think you can replace that 3rd LB with a cheap vet or vosean. Then focus on the pass rush piece. They might if they can use the guy as a DE on third downs. I really wouldn’t be surprised if they made a play for Judon or Dupree for that reason. Realistically, if they go the FA route I expect someone like Kyler Fackrell though. He offers a similar skill set to Alexander in a similar price bracket. Edited January 8, 2020 by Buffalo Junction Correcting autocorrect Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 7 hours ago, Magox said: I think they do look for that "jackknife" sort of player who can stop the run, drop back in coverage and rush the passer. I was hoping for Matthew Judon from the Ravens but he will probably be franchise tagged. Bud Dupree is a guy I like if Pittsburgh doesn’t re-sign him. Can play DE and LB, good for 8-10 sacks and 80 tackles. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 23 minutes ago, Sunshower said: Bud Dupree is a guy I like if Pittsburgh doesn’t re-sign him. Can play DE and LB, good for 8-10 sacks and 80 tackles. I like Dupree or maybe even a Donte Fowler 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 1 hour ago, Reed83HOF said: No trade backs, we need elite talent and true playmakers on offense and a playmaking DE. Jesus bring up trade backs and the plebs on this board will start thinking that is the correct move - we aren't the Phins or Jets trying to fillout an NFL roster I get that. But I look at value. So was trying to show the guys that want to draft a DE that the value isn’t there 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 6 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: I get that. But I look at value. So was trying to show the guys that want to draft a DE that the value isn’t there I know you do - I was saying that in tongue in cheek manner LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 8 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said: I know you do - I was saying that in tongue in cheek manner LOL now if all the offensive weapons are gone I would like a trade back and get value 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 2 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: now if all the offensive weapons are gone I would like a trade back and get value You sure don't want to overdraft, but I think we would move up a small bit to make sure we got who we wanted, more so than sliding back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Ripster Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 this kid is gunna probably be available in rounds 5-6, maybe worth a shot? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 8 hours ago, CountryCletus said: I would sign Cory Littleton from the Rams as a UFA... he’s a stud MLB, and then slide Edmunds outside. I think we need improvement over Milano as well- he would be a good rotational LB, but every down player, he is not I agree...get a real MLB and move Edmonds to Milano’s spot... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warrior9 Posted January 9, 2020 Author Share Posted January 9, 2020 15 hours ago, Sherlock Holmes said: Best MLB to ever play... people didn't talk about Ray Lewis like this. Way everybody talks Kuechly should be had for a 7th conditional then right? Forgot to add... we don't lose our game with Kuechly in charge... our young guys need somebody to make sure mistakes are limited, he's that guy. We win the Super Bowl with Kuechly QBing our D Never said anything about him for a 7th. I just don't want him at his age, salary, and type of injury history. It's pretty bold to suggest win a SB with him in charge. He doesn't make Siran Neal / Milano make that sack, he doesn't make poyer not get carried 10 yards into the endzone, he doesn't make our coach not play prevent on 3rd and 18, and he doesn't make our offense score more than 20 points. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherlock Holmes Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 4 hours ago, warrior9 said: Never said anything about him for a 7th. I just don't want him at his age, salary, and type of injury history. It's pretty bold to suggest win a SB with him in charge. He doesn't make Siran Neal / Milano make that sack, he doesn't make poyer not get carried 10 yards into the endzone, he doesn't make our coach not play prevent on 3rd and 18, and he doesn't make our offense score more than 20 points. I just mean if he's so old and expensive and not a game changer he should come in a trade cheap. He would've not let that nonsense happen on the 3rd and 18... he would've let the young ones know not to do so and even if they still did he would've made the tackle himself. Also he doesn't let the big runs happen or let Watson get away from that sack afterwards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Your Brown Eye Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 Ideally someone who does not get run over by Rex Burkhead at the goal line with the game on the line...... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motorin' Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 (edited) Imagine for a second signing Kyle Van Noy to replace Zo, how much that would simultaneously improve our defense while hurting New England's. Edited January 9, 2020 by Motorin' 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsVet Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 SAM's are not on the field as much with the game flexing toward passing and I'd think Buffalo would look to someone from within or a moderate UFA at most to replace him. For example, Lorax's snap count amounted to less than 50% in 11 of 16 games that mattered this season (everything minus the finale). After the Washington game, he largely hovered in the 30-50% range for snap counts. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/A/AlexLo99.htm In terms of leadership, I would expect by now that certain players can fill the void in the locker room after his retirement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motorin' Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 6 minutes ago, BillsVet said: SAM's are not on the field as much with the game flexing toward passing and I'd think Buffalo would look to someone from within or a moderate UFA at most to replace him. For example, Lorax's snap count amounted to less than 50% in 11 of 16 games that mattered this season (everything minus the finale). After the Washington game, he largely hovered in the 30-50% range for snap counts. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/A/AlexLo99.htm In terms of leadership, I would expect by now that certain players can fill the void in the locker room after his retirement. Maybe Jamie Collins is a perfect fit? I'm big on the idea of signing guys that make us better while subtracting from NE. That's been a clear Belichick strategy for almost 2 decades now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 (edited) First round draft pick. Need a dominant OLB that is young. I would rather Milano goes to the bench in the nickel than a truly dominant pass rusher. I still think Edmunds is the guy that should kick outside but I doubt that will happen. Edited January 9, 2020 by Ethan in Portland Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formerly Allan in MD Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 Yes, on defense LB is a need. But corner back is perhaps a bigger one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 On 1/8/2020 at 11:16 PM, warrior9 said: Do they (or you) think that Vosean Joseph is this guy? He is 6'1 230 or so (now has had a full year to train so may be more now), hes super athletic, and has awesome instincts but i'm unfamiliar with his coverage ability. I hate that we couldn't really see him play this year. In an ideal world, he is the guy. An LB corp with Edmunds, Milano, and Joseph would be an insanely athletic and fast group. What do you think they do to replace him and/or what you like them to do to replace him? I think it's really overstating it to say he has awesome instincts. He overran plays and hit the wrong hole an awful lot. He's got a lot of upside but it isn't a sure thing he's got the instincts to play LB at the NFL level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwistofFate Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 (edited) On 1/8/2020 at 9:18 AM, Magox said: I think they do look for that "jackknife" sort of player who can stop the run, drop back in coverage and rush the passer. I was hoping for Matthew Judon from the Ravens but he will probably be franchise tagged. I'd hope for Judon as well, he's a beast and all over the field. I'd also take Bud Dupree from Pittsburgh. He'd be a solid addition who's improved year to year and has shown great ability to rush the passer as well as stuffing the run. Edited January 10, 2020 by TwistofFate 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 On 1/8/2020 at 6:43 AM, RyanC883 said: I think Joseph will be the guy. I was pumped when we drafted him. That said, I imagine we bring in a FA or another pick as competition. Hopefully Lorax will be back in a coaching capacity and able to help Joseph the way Williams helped Oliver. If Joseph heals well, he fast as hell. His highlight reel is impressive. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Boo Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 I really hope they move Edmunds outside. He would be a force with his frame and freak athleticism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warrior9 Posted January 10, 2020 Author Share Posted January 10, 2020 5 hours ago, Chicken Boo said: I really hope they move Edmunds outside. He would be a force with his frame and freak athleticism. I just don't see that happening. McDermott probably sees him as his Luke from Carolina. I'm not sure how his skills would translate to being an OLB but I don't think we'll ever know. At worst, I think we see them moving him around a lot next year with the absence of lorax. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 Isaiah Simmons from Clemson seems like the prototypical McDermott linebacker from his time at Carolina. Tall, freakishly athletic, and raw. McDermott probably looks at him and sees what could be his version of Thomas Davis in Buffalo. Unlikely he falls to us, but I imagine he's a player McDermott will really like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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