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  • We need a dynamic receiver with size. 
  • We need a dynamic complimentary running back to Singletary.  
  • We need improvement in our special teams. 
  • We need a more dynamic athlete as a backup quarterback. 

 

Taysom Hill is the offensive weapon who could fill all of those roles in one shot. Brian Daboll showed some creativity towards the end of the season and having a guy like Hill could really open up this offense. Having Josh Allen and Hill on the field at the same time could create a really interesting dynamic and you could do some interesting RPO, zone read stuff. Hill also gives you a backup quarterback who can do things closer to what Josh can do. Now I don't know that Hill can truly be an every down player because he was injured a lot in college. But McDermott seems to have a philosophy of using his entire 46 man roster on game days, so a lot of guys cycle in and out.  

 

So how do you get him? The Saints are in a bit of a rough situation in terms of cap space. Both Brees and Bridgewater are free agents, as well as a number of key defensive players like AJ Klein, Eli Apple, David Oneymata etc. Hill is a RFA who I'm guessing they will tender at the second round level. I am willing to give up a late second for this guy. Now the Saints would have the chance to match, however, when teams are in the situation they are, that's when you can fleece them of RFA's. The Bills would simply heavily front load a deal. I think Hill will be looking to cash in as he is already 29 years old due to his Mormon mission and redshirts in college. A 4 year deal that is heavily frontloaded makes sense and I think the Saints would gladly accept the second rounder. The Saints only have 5 draft picks and have no second rounder. With 26 free agents on their roster, and very little cap space, something will have to give. The Bills could also try to work out a trade with NO like the Patriots did with the Dolphins back in the day for Wes Welker.  We have nine picks, aren't going to use all of them, and getting a guy like Hill really maximizes what you can do with your 53 man roster. Just my two cents. 

 

I'm all for an AJ Green or pursuing Amari Cooper, or even going after a guy with upside like Rashard Higgins, or even drafting a receiver at 22, but to me, a guy like Hill adds an interesting dynamic and fixes a lot in one signing. I'd actually go after Hill and Higgins, but that's just my opinion. 

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i doubt it can happen, but signing him and cooper, and getting a big RB2 and some kind of RT (draft could be for these last two) would just make the O awesome.

 

the zone read flea flicker trick play potential of allen and hill in the back field would be a total nightmare!

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MrEPS, it’s not a bad idea if possible, but just listened to Sal on WGR and he made a good point.  Until this year each team can only either use the transition or franchise tag on one person.  This year the rul has changed you can transition tag one player, and franchise one player in the same year.

 

Sal pointed out which actually makes sense Dallas as an example could franchise Dak and transition Amari Cooper, but of course if we outbid for Cooper we could get him, but at a high price.  I just thought that was interesting and didn’t know until he brought it up.

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Is a guy like Hill that hard to find you would give up draft picks? He wasn't drafted out of college. Do you want to use one of your 46 on a jack of all trades master of none? I think Hill works well in the NO system. I doubt he would have similar success with the Bills.

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They said something interesting during the Saints play off game. Apparently Sean Payton originally wanted Tim Tebow to come to the Saints and play the same role that Taysom Hill is playing now, but Tebow wanted  to be a QB only so didn’t sign. 

 

Too bad actually. Tebow is such a good athlete, he would have done really well in the Taysom Hill role.  I guess he underestimated the impact he could have...

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They said something interesting during the Saints play off game. Apparently Sean Payton originally wanted Tim Tebow to come to the Saints and play the same role that Taysom Hill is playing now, but Tebow wanted  to be a QB only so didn’t sign. 

 

Too bad actually. Tebow is such a good athlete, he would have done really well in the Taysom Hill role.  I guess he underestimated the impact he could have...

The biggest difference is Taysom is a 4.4 guy and Tebow a 4.7 guy. I’m not convinced that Tebow could have ever played that role for that reason. With his size however he could have been an interesting FB/TE hybrid.

 

 

 

 

I’m really not trying to be that guy but there is ZERO chance Taysom isn’t in New Orleans next year. There is a WAY better chance that Kamara is on the move. 
 

For comparison sake Taysom being on a new team is about as likely as Tre White being on a new team even though he is a RFA.

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1 hour ago, MrEpsYtown said:
  • We need a dynamic receiver with size. 
  • We need a dynamic complimentary running back to Singletary.  
  • We need improvement in our special teams. 
  • We need a more dynamic athlete as a backup quarterback. 

 

Taysom Hill is the offensive weapon who could fill all of those roles in one shot. Brian Daboll showed some creativity towards the end of the season and having a guy like Hill could really open up this offense. Having Josh Allen and Hill on the field at the same time could create a really interesting dynamic and you could do some interesting RPO, zone read stuff. Hill also gives you a backup quarterback who can do things closer to what Josh can do. Now I don't know that Hill can truly be an every down player because he was injured a lot in college. But McDermott seems to have a philosophy of using his entire 46 man roster on game days, so a lot of guys cycle in and out.  

 

So how do you get him? The Saints are in a bit of a rough situation in terms of cap space. Both Brees and Bridgewater are free agents, as well as a number of key defensive players like AJ Klein, Eli Apple, David Oneymata etc. Hill is a RFA who I'm guessing they will tender at the second round level. I am willing to give up a late second for this guy. Now the Saints would have the chance to match, however, when teams are in the situation they are, that's when you can fleece them of RFA's. The Bills would simply heavily front load a deal. I think Hill will be looking to cash in as he is already 29 years old due to his Mormon mission and redshirts in college. A 4 year deal that is heavily frontloaded makes sense and I think the Saints would gladly accept the second rounder. The Saints only have 5 draft picks and have no second rounder. With 26 free agents on their roster, and very little cap space, something will have to give. The Bills could also try to work out a trade with NO like the Patriots did with the Dolphins back in the day for Wes Welker.  We have nine picks, aren't going to use all of them, and getting a guy like Hill really maximizes what you can do with your 53 man roster. Just my two cents. 

 

I'm all for an AJ Green or pursuing Amari Cooper, or even going after a guy with upside like Rashard Higgins, or even drafting a receiver at 22, but to me, a guy like Hill adds an interesting dynamic and fixes a lot in one signing. I'd actually go after Hill and Higgins, but that's just my opinion. 

 

We really need a legit strong tall possession receiver.

 

My hope is that 2019 will prove to be what 2018 was for OL: a place where Beane thought he'd done enough, learned definitively he had not done enough, and went shopping.

 

I don't want our offense to focus on more gadgets.  I want us to have the manpower to execute sound fundamentals at RB and WR.

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7 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

The biggest difference is Taysom is a 4.4 guy and Tebow a 4.7 guy. I’m not convinced that Tebow could have ever played that role for that reason. With his size however he could have been an interesting FB/TE hybrid.

 

 

 

 

I’m really not trying to be that guy but there is ZERO chance Taysom isn’t in New Orleans next year. There is a WAY better chance that Kamara is on the move. 
 

For comparison sake Taysom being on a new team is about as likely as Tre White being on a new team even though he is a RFA.

Wow, I didn't realize Hill was that fast. One thing for sure, he is very fun to watch play.  Talk about a guy who puts it all on the line for his team...

 

And I agree with you, zero point zero zero chance the Saints would let him go. He is a true spark plug for that team.

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5 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

We really need a legit strong tall possession receiver.

 

My hope is that 2019 will prove to be what 2018 was for OL: a place where Beane thought he'd done enough, learned definitively he had not done enough, and went shopping.

 

I don't want our offense to focus on more gadgets.  I want us to have the manpower to execute sound fundamentals at RB and WR.

I agree 100%. My current fixation is Justin Jefferson from LSU.  I am hoping for RB Najee Harris in round 3 as well. Those 2 would completely alter our Offense over-night.  

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That guy is going to make some team VERY happy. 


He’s a guy I’m very interested in seeing Buffalo draft. In an offense that needs playmakers, he’s a chess piece. A guy that defenses have to pay attention to, thereby letting your ancillary guys like Beasley and Knox chew up 1-on-1 opportunities.

 

Get a WR1 in FA, another solid RB in FA, a dynamic WR in round 1, and Bowden in round 3 and the offense will be much scarier.

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He’s a guy I’m very interested in seeing Buffalo draft. In an offense that needs playmakers, he’s a chess piece. A guy that defenses have to pay attention to, thereby letting your ancillary guys like Beasley and Knox chew up 1-on-1 opportunities.

 

Get a WR1 in FA, another solid RB in FA, a dynamic WR in round 1, and Bowden in round 3 and the offense will be much scarier.

That bowl game he just played was incredible. Bowden is a guy I would love. 
 

I know it’s a long shot that he’d leave but I really like Larry Fitzgerald as a short term option. He is still productive and would fit a need perfectly. You also have to draft one in round one. Lamb would be my favorite but he and Jeudy won’t be there. Ruggs would be dynamic. I like Shenault as well. Higgins isn’t a round 1 guy IMO. 
 

As for the RB, I threw out trading for Kamara in another thread. It’s probably a 2nd, pick swap and maybe a late round pick. He’d add some much needed explosiveness and the Saints aren’t going to pay him. They don’t have a 2nd either so it makes some sense. If they did that I’d draft a big back late (Dillon maybe) and roll with that group. If Kamara is a pipe dream I’d probably try to get Edwards-Helaire if he comes out. The Bills need a back to play in space IMO. Jalen Richard would be a cheap FA option that would fill a need (although he’s coming off a bad year). 

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Thanks for all the feedback everyone. I am interested to see what New Orleans does with zero quarterbacks currently signed, minimal cap space, and 5 draft picks. I just think if you gave this guy a ridiculously front loaded offer like the Charles Clay move a few years ago, or even the contract that they gave to Mitch Morse last year, the Saints would have trouble matching the deal. Ofcourse they have the right to match any offer sheet, but unless they give him the exclusive franchise tag (which I doubt they will), he's going to be able to shop around. And as  soon to be 30 year old player, this may be his only chance at a pay day. Hill is an RFA, not an ERFA, so anything can happen in my opinion. I'm guessing they try to extend him before free agency, but if I were him, I'd want to see what I am worth. I'd also probably look around to see if anyone was willing to commit to me as a starting quarterback. Hill is an interesting case. But with with 90 million in cap we can attempt to make moves like this. 

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5 minutes ago, jrober38 said:

I think Hill is an upgrade at QB for them over Brees.


I don't see any reason he can't do pretty much all of the same things for them that Josh Allen does for us.


In the pantheon of crazy QB posts, this one is an all-time doozy.

 

Taysom Hill is an upgrade over Drew Brees, and can do all of the same things as Josh Allen. I have definitely read it all.

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In the pantheon of crazy QB posts, this one is an all-time doozy.

 

Taysom Hill is an upgrade over Drew Brees, and can do all of the same things as Josh Allen. I have definitely read it all.

 

I think Brees is on his way out. When faced with pressure he doesn't have the arm or mobility to succeed anymore.

 

I also don't think very highly of Josh Allen. I think their skill sets are fairly similar. 

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Just now, jrober38 said:

 

I think Brees is on his way out. When faced with pressure he doesn't have the arm or mobility to succeed anymore.

 

I also don't think very highly of Josh Allen. I think their skill sets are fairly similar. 


The guy that just threw for 3,000 yards in 11 games, went for 74% completion rate, with 27 TDs and 4 INTs is on his way out to the point where a gadget player with 13 career attempts with 6 completions, 0 TDs and an INT is an upgrade? ? 
 

I knew you were out to lunch, but this is a whole new level of don’t-know-?-ism that I cannot fathom.

 

But reality says that you really just wanted to use this as an excuse to talk ?about Allen. And no, there’s literally nothing to make a sane person think that Hill is an upgrade at QB from Allen.

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10 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:


In the pantheon of crazy QB posts, this one is an all-time doozy.

 

Taysom Hill is an upgrade over Drew Brees, and can do all of the same things as Josh Allen. I have definitely read it all.

Yup. That one is special. 
I will say that in light of Baltimore’s success, I wouldn’t put it past some team to give Hill a big contract with the expectation of having him start at QB. That team isn’t the Saints. But the Jags? Titans if they don’t re-sign Tanny? Dolphins? Bucs? Even Steelers (they did this once before with Kordell)? It would be fun to watch. 

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2 hours ago, MrEpsYtown said:

Thanks for all the feedback everyone. I am interested to see what New Orleans does with zero quarterbacks currently signed, minimal cap space, and 5 draft picks. I just think if you gave this guy a ridiculously front loaded offer like the Charles Clay move a few years ago, or even the contract that they gave to Mitch Morse last year, the Saints would have trouble matching the deal. Ofcourse they have the right to match any offer sheet, but unless they give him the exclusive franchise tag (which I doubt they will), he's going to be able to shop around. And as  soon to be 30 year old player, this may be his only chance at a pay day. Hill is an RFA, not an ERFA, so anything can happen in my opinion. I'm guessing they try to extend him before free agency, but if I were him, I'd want to see what I am worth. I'd also probably look around to see if anyone was willing to commit to me as a starting quarterback. Hill is an interesting case. But with with 90 million in cap we can attempt to make moves like this. 

 

He'd be crazy to sign with another team. He's beloved there and has a clear shot to replace Brees when he retires.

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5 hours ago, atlbillsfan1975 said:

Is a guy like Hill that hard to find you would give up draft picks? He wasn't drafted out of college. Do you want to use one of your 46 on a jack of all trades master on none? I think Hill works well in the NO system. I doubt he would have similar success with the Bills.

That the Bills can get him or not, that's one issue. Even if MrEpsYtown makes sense in the OP as to how and why it could done instead of just dreamy fan wishes, it's unlikely to happen. But if it could, damn right he is worth a 2nd round draft pick! I can't believe how so many people such a high perceived value on picks. Most draftees do not make the team or do so for a few years in a minor role and are out of the league. If you can get a PROVEN player with one, it sure is worth it.

 

Beane actually got some players this year that did prove they could play in the NFL, and some were backups on other teams and fared fairly well as starters here. That's the way I see it too. Draft picks are valuable, but not to the point of being worth more than players that proved they can play!

 

Edit: think of undrafted players that made it big. Or let's say how well Milano has done for a 5th rounder., Tom Brady being picked 199th overall... all these guys are worth more than their draft picks. While tons of guys have underperformed and are out of the league, including 1st rounders. 

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31 minutes ago, Jerome007 said:

That the Bills can get him or not, that's one issue. Even if MrEpsYtown makes sense in the OP as to how and why it could done instead of just dreamy fan wishes, it's unlikely to happen. But if it could, damn right he is worth a 2nd round draft pick! I can't believe how so many people such a high perceived value on picks. Most draftees do not make the team or do so for a few years in a minor role and are out of the league. If you can get a PROVEN player with one, it sure is worth it.

 

Beane actually got some players this year that did prove they could play in the NFL, and some were backups on other teams and fared fairly well as starters here. That's the way I see it too. Draft picks are valuable, but not to the point of being worth more than players that proved they can play!

 

Edit: think of undrafted players that made it big. Or let's say how well Milano has done for a 5th rounder., Tom Brady being picked 199th overall... all these guys are worth more than their draft picks. While tons of guys have underperformed and are out of the league, including 1st rounders. 

Ok. The second part of that is the scheme. We expect the Bills offense to become New Orleans? Daboll to become Sean Peyton? 

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31 minutes ago, atlbillsfan1975 said:

Ok. The second part of that is the scheme. We expect the Bills offense to become New Orleans? Daboll to become Sean Peyton? 

Not all of NO plays are that unique and only based on him. You design some plays for him but you don't have to change everything. As in the initial post points out, that dude can play on ST and in so many ways he fills some voids by himself. As Josh can run very well, and even catch balls ha ha. the dual threat would be something else! With a Singletarry that can become a receiver, there is bound to be some miss matches at one point. As usual in "gimmick plays", some don't work at all, some are amazing. But then again, a lot running plays are duds too.

 

Josh is super entertaining, if nothing else. Add Hill and... wow! But of course it's mostly wishful thinking at this point but the possibility is there, however slim.

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