Allen slammed on ESPN

[Nextmanup]

2 minutes ago, Stank_Nasty said:

I havnt been able to shake that OT sweep. this is the first time I've seen it from that angle and its making physically ill. knox is literally looking directly at the LB before he even approaches him. i'm still at a loss over that.

How about Mitch Morse?  It seems like one of them should have totally wiped out the eventual tackler but both sort of ignored him.

 

There used to be a time when we had a great OL and everyone on the line executed perfectly on plays like this, to the point where certain teams on certain days just couldn't stop what we wanted to do.

 

Our line is nowhere near that now.  But it will undoubtedly be improved this offseason.

 

 

[Stank_Nasty]

1 minute ago, Nextmanup said:

How about Mitch Morse?  It seems like one of them should have totally wiped out the eventual tackler but both sort of ignored him.

 

There used to be a time when we had a great OL and everyone on the line executed perfectly on plays like this, to the point where certain teams on certain days just couldn't stop what we wanted to do.

 

Our line is nowhere near that now.  But it will undoubtedly be improved this offseason.

 

 

morse also should have at least altered his path after knox completely ignored him.

 

 

[TheBrownBear]

OMG...I still don't understand WTH Knox was doing on that sweep.  As others have said, he makes that easy block and Allen scampers for 20 yards, maybe even a touchdown.  Extremely frustrating.

[Patrick Duffy]

11 minutes ago, Stank_Nasty said:

I havnt been able to shake that OT sweep. this is the first time I've seen it from that angle and its making physically ill. knox is literally looking directly at the LB before he even approaches him. i'm still at a loss over that.

Yes, very disappointed in Knox totally blowing that block. Was clear as day. And Allen took a big helmet to helmet hit on that play (think it was that play). Don't know how one would miss a block that is basically directly in front of you, but anyway....

Edited January 8, 2020 by Patrick_Duffy

[billsfan1959]

12 minutes ago, Stank_Nasty said:

I havnt been able to shake that OT sweep. this is the first time I've seen it from that angle and its making physically ill. knox is literally looking directly at the LB before he even approaches him. i'm still at a loss over that.

I know. This is probably the play that bothers me the most (and there were a number) in that game. If Knox gets a shoulder on Cunningham, the next obstacle for Allen is the DB Ford is destroying at the 29 yard line. The only other defender is a DB coming across the field. I have no doubt Allen is inside the 25 Yard line on that play - if not scoring. At the very least, they are in winning FG range

Edited January 8, 2020 by billsfan1959

[Stank_Nasty]

1 minute ago, billsfan1959 said:

I know. This is probably the play that bothers me the most (and there were a number) in that game. If Knox gets a shoulder on Cunningham, the next obstacle for Allen is the DB Ford is destroying AT THE 29 yard line. The only other defender is a DB coming across the field. I have no doubt Allen is inside the 25 Yard line on that plate Dash if not scoring.

its inexplicable that he would literally be looking right at him, know his qb is coming behind him, and not even graze him.... Im just at a loss. he makes that pop warner block and everything about this week changes. just unreal. 

[oldmanfan]

Lot of little mistakes, plus Watson doing his thing, is what lost the game.  Not just our QB as some are wont to claim.

 

I used to play competitive golf, amateur tournaments and such.  Allen right now reminds me of what I saw in myself and others (and of course you see it on the pro tour as well), when you're in the hunt on the last day of the tournament.  Until you've been there a few times, you don't know how to get things to slow down so you're thinking clearly and can just let yourself do what you've done countless times in practice.  You press a little more than you should.  You have to be in the experience, and oftentimes fail in the experience, before you can go on to win.

 

Allen had his first playoff experience, and despite the several nutty plays he made It's a credit to him that he was able to lead them to the tie in regulation and have them right there in the playoffs.  The more he experiences this, the more comfortable the situation will become and the better he'll play.  That is, unless he becomes a total choking dog like some guys I played golf against in the day.  But Allen doesn't strike me as a choking dog.  ,

[GaryPinC]

Just a friendly reminder from one of my favorite articles:

https://buffalonews.com/2019/09/04/buffalo-bills-bill-polian-jim-kelly-peyton-manning-jim-kelly-josh-allen-nfl-football-2019/

 

“Year 1, in pro ball, you learn to get in and out of the huddle," Polian said. "You learn the nomenclature. You learn how to call the play. You learn what the calls are that the offensive line is making. Josh had great benefit of being injured and sitting and having the ability, during that time, to take a deep breath and say, ‘OK, I have to do this, this, this and this in order to master this.’

“Second year, you learned the concepts of the offense in the offseason. Not how to do it, but why you’re doing it. And why you are doing this, that or the other thing to beat a certain defense or a certain player or doing it in a certain game situation."

In the third  year, Polian said, there should be significant progress.

“You should see the arrow really going up, because if you’re learning how to apply it, you’re eliminating the rookie or young person mistakes," he said. "Because if you’re learning and how to apply what you’ve already learned, you’ve learned not to put the ball in places where it doesn’t belong, go to the wrong guy, etc.

“Then, in the fourth year, you learn how to manipulate a defense. How your eyes will make certain players react, how ball placement will make certain players react, how certain audibles or dummy audibles will cause people to react. And then after that, you’re a complete quarterback.

 

 

Can't wait till next year!     I think as this all progresses, he'll learn to trust his teammates more and eliminate the selfish hero ball mentality.  I do hope Daboll stays one more year.

 

 

 

 

 

[Success]

The national media & internet seem mostly focused on the lateral. To hear the context of most of the comments at this point, you would think that play cost the Bills the game.  We didn't even lose the ball; it was a 1st down.

 

Bad judgment, sure, and definitely a play that I can see people talking about.  But there wasn't one mistake at the end (the grounding, the sack, or the lateral) that cost the Bills the game.

 

Reason #582 why I can't stand officials that take the game away from the players. Without that purely phantom call on Ford, I think there is a great chance Hausch makes it - and then, the narrative is that Allen is like the great ones because he has a short memory & great ability to overcome his mistakes & come out w/ the win.

 

[Lurker]

1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

To be fair to Allen, in other games part of the reason he struggles to handle pass rush pressure is that 1) sometimes his line does a total breakdown and gives him no protection at all 2) sometimes the plays that are called have no checkdown or hot routes 3) our best two WR struggle mightily against man. 

 

Some of those same things could be said of Watson in that game.  He rose to the occasion and Josh did not.

 

Hopefully, the light will go on in year three as it appears to have for Deshaun (although Watson has had a great deal more big game experience from collage to draw upon than Josh)....  

[Meatloaf63]

4 minutes ago, Lurker said:

 

Some of those same things could be said of Watson in that game.  He rose to the occasion and Josh did not.

 

Hopefully, the light will go on in year three as it appears to have for Deshaun (although Watson has had a great deal more big game experience from collage to draw upon than Josh)....  

a lot easier to go against 11 & not 12. But your point about all the big game experience is spot on, hopefully this all helps in Allen’s growth....

[Success]

22 minutes ago, Lurker said:

 

Some of those same things could be said of Watson in that game.  He rose to the occasion and Josh did not.

 

Hopefully, the light will go on in year three as it appears to have for Deshaun (although Watson has had a great deal more big game experience from collage to draw upon than Josh)....  

I've gotta take a little exception to the idea that Josh didn't rise to the challenge. He drove the offense down for the game-tying FG, and then for the game winner, which the refs took away w/ a genuinely bad call.

 

If the D can stop 3rd & 18, or sack a QB with 2 guys coming in at full speed, I'd bet a fair amount that Allen would have driven them again & won that game. It's what he did all season.

 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

48 minutes ago, Lurker said:

 

Some of those same things could be said of Watson in that game.  He rose to the occasion and Josh did not.

 

Hopefully, the light will go on in year three as it appears to have for Deshaun (although Watson has had a great deal more big game experience from collage to draw upon than Josh)....  

 

You can not say about Watson that his best WR struggles against Man.

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

2 hours ago, Nextmanup said:

How about Mitch Morse?  It seems like one of them should have totally wiped out the eventual tackler but both sort of ignored him.

 

There used to be a time when we had a great OL and everyone on the line executed perfectly on plays like this, to the point where certain teams on certain days just couldn't stop what we wanted to do.

 

Our line is nowhere near that now.  But it will undoubtedly be improved this offseason.

 

 

If you want to see this play executed perfectly, see the first series of the game where Allen ran 42 yards. 

 

 

[Stank_Nasty]

8 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

If you want to see this play executed perfectly, see the first series of the game where Allen ran 42 yards. 

 

 

which is exactly why its so mind boggling it went so sideways on the one in OT.

[C.Biscuit97]

3 hours ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

Anyone who has played competitive sports, and been a competitor knowS that when you keep seeing your team make mistakes around you, whiffed blocks, bad routes, bad hands, lack of body control.. you start to do to much because you feel pressed to make something miraculous happen. 
 

one reason Farve was a turnover machine on some of his Less talented teams, as one example. There are tons more examples. 

 

as the talent around the qb improves, this will go away. 

 

 

With all due respect, this is what critics of Allen get bothered by.  He gets so many passes (no pun intended).  We scored a touchdown on our opening drive and didn’t get another one all day.  Our defense shut down a really good qb for 3/4 of the game and just got worn out.  We struggle to win games if Our defense gives up 17+ points.  
 

again, I love Allen’s heart and saw some improvement.  But he is still the 32nd ranked passer in completion %.  That’s not good enough.  I do agree the talent needs to get better but folks need to act like Allen was carrying this team.  He wasn’t.  A lot of starting qbs would have done well on this team.

 

good news is he has all the talent in the world.  But he is a great situation with the defense he has.  

1 hour ago, Success said:

I've gotta take a little exception to the idea that Josh didn't rise to the challenge. He drove the offense down for the game-tying FG, and then for the game winner, which the refs took away w/ a genuinely bad call.

 

If the D can stop 3rd & 18, or sack a QB with 2 guys coming in at full speed, I'd bet a fair amount that Allen would have driven them again & won that game. It's what he did all season.

 

We scored 6 points in the second half.  Stop trying to make it look like it was the defense’s fault.  
 

the defense was the reason why Allen and the offense, after going in terrible droughts for periods of times all season, had the chance to win games late.  The defense was the MVP of this team and it wasn’t close. 

[Success]

28 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

  

We scored 6 points in the second half.  Stop trying to make it look like it was the defense’s fault.  
 

the defense was the reason why Allen and the offense, after going in terrible droughts for periods of times all season, had the chance to win games late.  The defense was the MVP of this team and it wasn’t close. 

 

I don't disagree - it probably sounded that way by my comment, but I wasn't trying to put in on the defense. I was just saying that I wouldn't have characterized what happened in that game as Allen not rising to the challenge.  For a young guy, I actually loved how he got past the "meltdown" couple of minutes, and still found ways to get us in scoring position.

 

There wasn't a huge amount of scoring all weekend. I think only 1 team got past 20.  Allen really had us in position to get 22 (that call on Ford will haunt me for awhile).  I agree that he needs to do more, but think he will.  We'll probably look back on this game as a valuable one in his learning curve - I have a hunch that it will really fuel him this offseason.  

[LOVEMESOMEBILLS]

46 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

With all due respect, this is what critics of Allen get bothered by.  He gets so many passes (no pun intended).  We scored a touchdown on our opening drive and didn’t get another one all day.  Our defense shut down a really good qb for 3/4 of the game and just got worn out.  We struggle to win games if Our defense gives up 17+ points.  
 

again, I love Allen’s heart and saw some improvement.  But he is still the 32nd ranked passer in completion %.  That’s not good enough.  I do agree the talent needs to get better but folks need to act like Allen was carrying this team.  He wasn’t.  A lot of starting qbs would have done well on this team.

 

good news is he has all the talent in the world.  But he is a great situation with the defense he has.  

We scored 6 points in the second half.  Stop trying to make it look like it was the defense’s fault.  
 

the defense was the reason why Allen and the offense, after going in terrible droughts for periods of times all season, had the chance to win games late.  The defense was the MVP of this team and it wasn’t close. 

I'm curious as to why you think of defense was wore out 3/4 through the game when the offense went on 3 long drives in the 4 times they touched the ball in the first half and after scoring their FG in the 3rd was up in TOP? On top of that, most sat all or the majority of the game the week before. In the playoff game the defense did lose the game. Spotted a 16-0 lead with only 5 or 6 minutes left in the 3rd and they give up 22 points from the 1:33 mark of the 3rd on? They only gave up 22 or more in 3 games this year. It's common for most teams to lean on an offense or a defense, with our team we leaned on the defense and by his actions throughout the year, it's exactly the way McDermott wanted it. 

Edited January 8, 2020 by LOVEMESOMEBILLS

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

1 hour ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

With all due respect, this is what critics of Allen get bothered by.  He gets so many passes (no pun intended).  We scored a touchdown on our opening drive and didn’t get another one all day.  Our defense shut down a really good qb for 3/4 of the game and just got worn out.  We struggle to win games if Our defense gives up 17+ points.  
 

again, I love Allen’s heart and saw some improvement.  But he is still the 32nd ranked passer in completion %.  That’s not good enough.  I do agree the talent needs to get better but folks need to act like Allen was carrying this team.  He wasn’t.  A lot of starting qbs would have done well on this team.

 

good news is he has all the talent in the world.  But he is a great situation with the defense he has.  

We scored 6 points in the second half.  Stop trying to make it look like it was the defense’s fault.  
 

the defense was the reason why Allen and the offense, after going in terrible droughts for periods of times all season, had the chance to win games late.  The defense was the MVP of this team and it wasn’t close. 

I hope no one thinks Allen doesn’t need to drastically improve. You know it, I know it, he knows it, the coaches know it. Most every bills fan knows it. 

that’s not really the point. The point is underneath the moments of unbridled unvarnished boneheaded mistakes, are flashes of Extremely elite arm talent, impeccable pocket poise, nearly elite mobility, incredible passion, sophisticated reads of the defense. 
 

and despite all the poor sacks, dumb fumbles, near ints, Many of those plays were incited by poor play of the entire squad. 
 

critical plays that could have been made by others that would have altered the outcomes were missed. 
 

defense carried the team. Singletary and then Second Allen imo carried the offense. There were no other playmakers i can see getting that praise

 

Edited January 8, 2020 by Over 29 years of fanhood

[C.Biscuit97]

7 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

I hope no one thinks Allen doesn’t need to drastically improve. You know it, I know it, he knows it, the coaches know it. Most every bills fan knows it. 

that’s not really the point. The point is underneath the moments of unbridled unvarnished boneheaded mistakes, are flashes of Extremely elite arm talent, impeccable pocket poise, nearly elite mobility, incredible passion, sophisticated reads of the defense. 
 

and despite all the poor sacks, dumb fumbles, near ints, Many of those plays were incited by poor play of the entire squad. 
 

critical plays that could have been made by others that would have altered the outcomes were missed. 
 

defense carried the team. Singletary and then Second Allen imo carried the offense. There were no other playmakers i can see getting that praise

 

I agree.  I just worry Allen is always going to be a roller coaster.  Definitely not boring but as early as it is in his career, the SB window is already narrowing. 

22 minutes ago, LOVEMESOMEBILLS said:

I'm curious as to why you think of defense was wore out 3/4 through the game when the offense went on 3 long drives in the 4 times they touched the ball in the first half and after scoring their FG in the 3rd was up in TOP? On top of that, most sat all or the majority of the game the week before. In the playoff game the defense did lose the game. Spotted a 16-0 lead with only 5 or 6 minutes left in the 3rd and they give up 22 points from the 1:33 mark of the 3rd on? They only gave up 22 or more in 3 games this year. It's common for most teams to lean on an offense or a defense, with our team we leaned on the defense and by his actions throughout the year, it's exactly the way McDermott wanted it. 

Defense has carried this team all year.  I don’t disagree that part of the issue is McDermott’s philosophy but there were plenty of times the offense could have ended this game.  

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

5 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

I agree.  I just worry Allen is always going to be a roller coaster.  Definitely not boring but as early as it is in his career, the SB window is already narrowing. 

Defense has carried this team all year.  I don’t disagree that part of the issue is McDermott’s philosophy but there were plenty of times the offense could have ended this game.  

Don’t worry about that. With this kids arm he’ll be able to play into his late 30s at least. If the Bills front office is able to keep finding guys like Tremaine, TreD and Milano in the draft, as well as Jordan Phillips, Poyer, Hyde, Johnson Types off of the street, they’ll be able to field a solid defense  even when they start paying QB money. 
 

here is how you deal with your worry. Go look at Eli Manning’s career statistics by year and Super Bowl runs.

 

it should set you at ease 

[Lurker]

2 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

You can not say about Watson that his best WR struggles against Man.

 

No.  But the first points you made were similar, if not more daunting, to what Allen faced.

 

As to Hopkins, once they decided to line him up outside and dare the Bills to cover him, it was a whole new game.     Too bad Josh didn't have that kind of security blanket to fall back on... 

[C.Biscuit97]

3 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

Don’t worry about that. With this kids arm he’ll be able to play into his late 30s at least. If the Bills front office is able to keep finding guys like Tremaine, TreD and Milano in the draft, as well as Jordan Phillips, Poyer, Hyde, Johnson Types off of the street, they’ll be able to field a solid defense  even when they start paying QB money. 
 

here is how you deal with your worry. Go look at Eli Manning’s career statistics by year and Super Bowl runs.

 

it should set you at ease 

The Eli SBs were complete flukes. Teams lucky to make the playoffs and just pull games out of their butts.  It was the most insane run of luck ever.

 

and Allen is going to be due a major contract in a few years that totally changes this team.  For the all the cap room we have, it will go pretty fast.  I just want to us to have a guy that can carry us like Wilson, rather than be along for the ride like Flacco. 

[Billl]

1 hour ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

With all due respect, this is what critics of Allen get bothered by.  He gets so many passes (no pun intended).  We scored a touchdown on our opening drive and didn’t get another one all day.  Our defense shut down a really good qb for 3/4 of the game and just got worn out.  We struggle to win games if Our defense gives up 17+ points.  
 

again, I love Allen’s heart and saw some improvement.  But he is still the 32nd ranked passer in completion %.  That’s not good enough.  I do agree the talent needs to get better but folks need to act like Allen was carrying this team.  He wasn’t.  A lot of starting qbs would have done well on this team.

 

good news is he has all the talent in the world.  But he is a great situation with the defense he has.  

We scored 6 points in the second half.  Stop trying to make it look like it was the defense’s fault.  
 

the defense was the reason why Allen and the offense, after going in terrible droughts for periods of times all season, had the chance to win games late.  The defense was the MVP of this team and it wasn’t close. 

You'll know when Allen is a legitimately good QB when his fans stop defending his poor play when it happens instead of excusing it and blaming everyone around him.  His second half play was awful. It was comically bad. If that is what his good play looks like, then that's a problem.

[LOVEMESOMEBILLS]

9 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

I agree.  I just worry Allen is always going to be a roller coaster.  Definitely not boring but as early as it is in his career, the SB window is already narrowing. 

Defense has carried this team all year.  I don’t disagree that part of the issue is McDermott’s philosophy but there were plenty of times the offense could have ended this game.  

The Super Bowl window is already closing lol. That's absurd and don't say because Josh is on his rookie contract when all you have to do is look at the last 15 years or so of Super Bowl champions. A couple QBs on their rookie deals, but that's it.

 

The defense did carry us all year and defenses ruled the day this past weekend and they rule the day in the playoffs in general. Up 16-0 with 5 or 6 minutes to go in the 3rd with a defense that finished 2nd in the league in points allowed, the game should've been over. The Bills allowed the second most points out of the eight teams that played Wild Card Weekend. You're giving them a free pass when they're just as much to blame than anyone else.

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

9 minutes ago, Billl said:

You'll know when Allen is a legitimately good QB when his fans stop defending his poor play when it happens instead of excusing it and blaming everyone around him.  His second half play was awful. It was comically bad. If that is what his good play looks like, then that's a problem.

Maybe. I’m thinking I see folks pinpointing certain plays where other folks needed to make some plays knowing that the young QB isn’t ready (or may never be) to carry the team to a playoff win on his back, like Watson did. 

8 minutes ago, LOVEMESOMEBILLS said:

The Super Bowl window is already closing lol. That's absurd and don't say because Josh is on his rookie contract when all you have to do is look at the last 15 years or so of Super Bowl champions. A couple QBs on their rookie deals, but that's it.

 

The defense did carry us all year and defenses ruled the day this past weekend and they rule the day in the playoffs in general. Up 16-0 with 5 or 6 minutes to go in the 3rd with a defense that finished 2nd in the league in points allowed, the game should've been over. The Bills allowed the second most points out of the eight teams that played Wild Card Weekend. You're giving them a free pass when they're just as much to blame than anyone else.

it’s true they were 2/3 in the red zone getting TDs and 2/2 on 2 point conversions in regulation.
 

thats not great. 

Edited January 8, 2020 by Over 29 years of fanhood

[Meatloaf63]

46 minutes ago, LOVEMESOMEBILLS said:

The Super Bowl window is already closing lol. That's absurd and don't say because Josh is on his rookie contract when all you have to do is look at the last 15 years or so of Super Bowl champions. A couple QBs on their rookie deals, but that's it.

 

The defense did carry us all year and defenses ruled the day this past weekend and they rule the day in the playoffs in general. Up 16-0 with 5 or 6 minutes to go in the 3rd with a defense that finished 2nd in the league in points allowed, the game should've been over. The Bills allowed the second most points out of the eight teams that played Wild Card Weekend. You're giving them a free pass when they're just as much to blame than anyone else.

The Allen idiots on this forum are just tiring. It would be nice to have a conversation without the stupidity just once... I guess the block function needs to be exercised more frequently...

[Success]

1 hour ago, Billl said:

You'll know when Allen is a legitimately good QB when his fans stop defending his poor play when it happens instead of excusing it and blaming everyone around him.  His second half play was awful. It was comically bad. If that is what his good play looks like, then that's a problem.

"His fans"?  You're not a fan of the Bills quarterback?

 

Comically bad is extreme, imo.  He made some huge mistakes - so did Drew Brees.  But he also overcame them.  He led us to the tying score & what should have been the winning score.  That's really about all I can ask, especially at this stage of his career.

 

[reddogblitz]

4 hours ago, Success said:

I've gotta take a little exception to the idea that Josh didn't rise to the challenge. He drove the offense down for the game-tying FG, and then for the game winner, which the refs took away w/ a genuinely bad call.

 

If the D can stop 3rd & 18, or sack a QB with 2 guys coming in at full speed, I'd bet a fair amount that Allen would have driven them again & won that game. It's what he did all season.

 

 

I'm gonna take exception to your exception.

 

If Josh had made better passes on those second half drives where we got no points or better passes/plays on the 4 FG drive and got us a TD on one  of them, we win.

 

I read on here all the time that Josh may not throw for a high percentage or whatever, but he's a gamer and comes through in crunch time. 

 

This time instead of playing his best in crunch time he played his worst (FB pass, lateral, passes that should have been picked, sacks, intentional grounding, fumble).  if he had risen to the occasion we would have won. He had his chances.

 

Certainly not all his fault.  The whole team choked.  But Josh played a pivotal role in the loss.

 

Edited January 8, 2020 by reddogblitz

[NoHuddleKelly12]

54 minutes ago, Meatloaf63 said:

The Allen idiots on this forum are just tiring. It would be nice to have a conversation without the stupidity just once... I guess the block function needs to be exercised more frequently...

If you’re looking to engage Allen fans in conversation that doesn’t involve any stupidity, might I suggest that remarking on said fans’ intelligence is actually a sure fire way of injecting stupidity that you say you don’t want in your conversation in the first place?  

 

If we can leave personal shots at the door, I’m sure there’s plenty of substance we can actually debate like reasonable folk. Fair enough?

[Meatloaf63]

1 minute ago, NoHuddleKelly12 said:

If you’re looking to engage Allen fans in conversation that doesn’t involve any stupidity, might I suggest that remarking on said fans’ intelligence is actually a sure fire way of injecting stupidity that you say you don’t want in your conversation in the first place?  

 

If we can leave personal shots at the door, I’m sure there’s plenty of substance we can actually debate like reasonable folk. Fair enough?

Nope not interested in engaging the people in this forum who already made up theirs minds, there is no having a decent discussion, it has been proven for almost two seasons now. The adjectives are correct in this instance, call them what you may. There are certain individuals here that have no intention to have an open conversation, you can show them statistics, videos, comparisons, and they ignore all of it, so I for one  will no longer even try. 
Anyone who wants to listen to opinions and facts I will have a dialog with, I actually was proven wrong on how Duke dropped his pass earlier today and I fully admit it. But there is no back n forth, no give in take, it is what it is and after this season I am not interested in these certain posters anymore....

[teef]

Some serious stuff in here fellas. 

[Rock-A-Bye Beasley]

1 hour ago, Success said:

"His fans"?  You're not a fan of the Bills quarterback?

 

Comically bad is extreme, imo.  He made some huge mistakes - so did Drew Brees.  But he also overcame them.  He led us to the tying score & what should have been the winning score.  That's really about all I can ask, especially at this stage of his career.

 

I was legit laughing hard after the lateral play. Last time I did that was Peterman’s pick six against Houston. 
 

so yeah I would say comically bad is accurate. 

[Success]

1 minute ago, Chemical said:

I was legit laughing hard after the lateral play. Last time I did that was Peterman’s pick six against Houston. 
 

so yeah I would say comically bad is accurate. 

I agree on the play.  It was a comically bad PLAY.

 

That stretches out to an entire half?  A half in which he made a couple of plays that probably 5 current QB's can make?

 

Nah.

 

[reddogblitz]

12 minutes ago, Chemical said:

I was legit laughing hard after the lateral play. Last time I did that was Peterman’s pick six against Houston. 
 

so yeah I would say comically bad is accurate. 

 

The one I laughed at was the one Josh threw right into JJ  Watt's hands.  JJ already ended one Buffalo Bills QB's career doing that.  Josh is just luckier that JJ didn't catch it for a pick 6.  It was so much like EJ's and given the wrath he got for it, and all the excuses Josh gets, it made me LOL out loud.

Edited January 8, 2020 by reddogblitz

[The_Ripster]

man I hope he never reads this thread.

[Amaru523]

I don't understand all this talk of "Allen fans".  I'm a life long die-hard Buffalo Bills fan, that means I'm a fan of every player on the team.  Why cant the fans defending him just be Bills fans that want our QB to succeed? I didn't want Allen, but he actually grew on me and his improvement from year 1 to 2 was pretty significant.  Does he make bad decisions? Obviously, but he can learn from his mistakes, and if he does, he's got the tools to be a very good, maybe great QB for us.  If the FO can get his some more weapons for next year, I guarantee he'll improve even more. He's probably not going anywhere anytime soon, and the Bills are just a couple pieces away from taking over the AFC East, which IMO will happen next year, so nows not the time to start over at QB.

Edited January 8, 2020 by Amaru523

[oldmanfan]

15 minutes ago, Chemical said:

I was legit laughing hard after the lateral play. Last time I did that was Peterman’s pick six against Houston. 
 

so yeah I would say comically bad is accurate. 

Were you laughing while he was making the run right before the lateral? (And yes the lateral was dumb).

 

Were you laughing when he hit the screen pass to Singletary and the slant to Beasley to set them up to tie in regulation?

 

Were you laughing when he put the ball right in Brown’s and Duke’s hands?

 

Were you laughing in the first half?

 

The fundamental difference between folks around here is that there is a group who can actually look objectively and see when aAllen made bad plays and good plays.  And a group that only focuses on bad plays.  Why the latter does that remains a mystery.

[Rock-A-Bye Beasley]

6 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

Were you laughing while he was making the run right before the lateral? (And yes the lateral was dumb).

 

Were you laughing when he hit the screen pass to Singletary and the slant to Beasley to set them up to tie in regulation?

 

Were you laughing when he put the ball right in Brown’s and Duke’s hands?

 

Were you laughing in the first half?

 

The fundamental difference between folks around here is that there is a group who can actually look objectively and see when aAllen made bad plays and good plays.  And a group that only focuses on bad plays.  Why the latter does that remains a mystery.

I can admit the good plays but the bad plays are “comically bad”

4th and 27 he gets no protection somehow with Houston rushing only 4. But he runs backward 20 yards? He almost put Houston in fg range. 

 

I wasn’t laughing but I was pretty upset in the first half when (I thought) McDermott was setting up the FG with the gore run and spike. 
 

turns out that was another Josh blunder as he audibled to a run. 
 

the lateral could’ve easily been recovered by Houston. Why does josh her credit for the fact that it didn’t?

[oldmanfan]

13 minutes ago, Chemical said:

I can admit the good plays but the bad plays are “comically bad”

4th and 27 he gets no protection somehow with Houston rushing only 4. But he runs backward 20 yards? He almost put Houston in fg range. 

 

I wasn’t laughing but I was pretty upset in the first half when (I thought) McDermott was setting up the FG with the gore run and spike. 
 

turns out that was another Josh blunder as he audibled to a run. 
 

the lateral could’ve easily been recovered by Houston. Why does josh her credit for the fact that it didn’t?

Who is giving him credit?  It was a dumb decision, but ultimately had no impact at all on the game.

 

The 4th and 27 he has to try and make a play.  An example of trying to do too much.