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This may have been tucked into one of the post game threads - apologies if I missed it.

YPP put up a clip of the run play where Allen DIDN'T fumble when Watt punched at the ball.

 

I thought it was worth a look.  I think Allen has been working hard at ball security, and while it's still a work in progress, I'm impressed that he hung on to the ball here.   "High and tight, Bills Claw!"

 

 

Is it just me, or did Watt get him in the parts too?

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Kudos for holding on but if watt doesn’t whiff on it, that thing easily pops out. 
 

oh well. Missed opportunities like that on either side of the ball for any team any given week. 

Just now, RiotAct said:

was this the one fairly late in the game?  I thought for sure he whiffed completely but I guess not

Not completely but if he had connected like he intended Allen had no chance. 

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1 minute ago, Stank_Nasty said:

Kudos for holding on but if watt doesn’t whiff on it, that thing easily pops out. 
 

oh well. Missed opportunities like that on either side of the ball for any team any given week. 

I agree it would have been tough to hold onto if he made good contact on the way down (he didn’t completely whiff). I’m hoping Allen saw him at the last second and helped prevent the clean hit. Either way the rip back was strong and Allen held onto that. We need all the ball security we can get with this defense. 

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2 minutes ago, YattaOkasan said:

I agree it would have been tough to hold onto if he made good contact on the way down (he didn’t completely whiff). I’m hoping Allen saw him at the last second and helped prevent the clean hit. Either way the rip back was strong and Allen held onto that. We need all the ball security we can get with this defense. 

Right. More worried about it through the air with the pats. Their int numbers are staggering. I’d have to look at the numbers but I bet PITT leads the nfl in forced fumbles. It’s sorta their “thing” this year. 

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That play should be a penalty. You can't freaking punch someone with the  hopes of jarring the ball loose. If that is the case then  just start punching the hell out of everyone that has possession. Start drafting MMA fighters to force fumbles. LOL...What a freaking joke. SHould be a unsportsmanlike  and a automatic ejection and fine.  I know it is not a rule now but going forward they need to change that immediately

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11 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

This may have been tucked into one of the post game threads - apologies if I missed it.

YPP put up a clip of the run play where Allen DIDN'T fumble when Watt punched at the ball.

 

I thought it was worth a look.  I think Allen has been working hard at ball security, and while it's still a work in progress, I'm impressed that he hung on to the ball here.   "High and tight, Bills Claw!"

 

 

Is it just me, or did Watt get him in the parts too?

 

It certainly looks like he got him in the junk.

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8 minutes ago, WildBills said:

The more I watch it the more I don't think he whiffed completely. Josh saw him coming and held onto it somehow.

 

I think Allen turned the ball as they've been coaching "high and tight" so Watt's punch hit his chest protector instead of the ball. 

 

I also think he was determined to hang on to the ball.  Remember this is the guy that had such a ferocious grip on the ball with two hands that a Dallas defender literally pulled him out of the pile and downfield - by the ball - and he hung on.

 

7 minutes ago, Ethan in Portland said:

Watt missed the ball and Allen still almost fumbled it away

 

INteresting. 

 

No.

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8 minutes ago, WildBills said:

The more I watch it the more I don't think he whiffed completely. Josh saw him coming and held onto it somehow.

Oh he definitely did see him coming. The angle up there is different then what was on TV. He also got punched on his leg not his balls.

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Just now, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Yes, we did a good job protecting Allen this game.

 

Which kind of begs the question why we didn't game plan for better protection against the Ravens.

I saw the Ravens blitz and the Steelers just rushed the four for the most part. Thats a big reason. Guarantee the Pats come after him.

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13 minutes ago, Stenbar said:

That play should be a penalty. You can't freaking punch someone with the  hopes of jarring the ball loose. If that is the case then  just start punching the hell out of everyone that has possession. Start drafting MMA fighters to force fumbles. LOL...What a freaking joke. SHould be a unsportsmanlike  and a automatic ejection and fine.  I know it is not a rule now but going forward they need to change that immediately


it’s pretty risky for the defender too, so not like it’ll suddenly happen haphazardly all the time 

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Watt did whiff on the ball, but he made significant contact with Allen's arm which could have easily lead to a fumble if not for strength/awareness. I wouldn't say it was amazing or anything like that, but it was solid.

 

Play also makes me think more guys should do what Watt did. You don't see it very often, but a punch seems like a pretty effective method to jar a ball loose. More effective than just slapping or grabbing. 

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3 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I think Allen turned the ball as they've been coaching "high and tight" so Watt's punch hit his chest protector instead of the ball. 

 

I also think he was determined to hang on to the ball.  Remember this is the guy that had such a ferocious grip on the ball with two hands that a Dallas defender literally pulled him out of the pile and downfield - by the ball - and he hung on.

 

 

INteresting. 

 

No.

Watch the replay. He hits Allen in the chest and then extends down into his groin. He never makes contact with the ball. Allen either by luck or instinct is pulling the ball up and closer to his chest as the punch glances off his chest and heads to his nuts.

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12 minutes ago, WildBills said:

The more I watch it the more I don't think he whiffed completely. Josh saw him coming and held onto it somehow.

Josh is a strong dude,  and a little good timing doesn’t hurt either.

 

Go Bills!!!

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3 minutes ago, Ethan in Portland said:

Watch the replay. He hits Allen in the chest and then extends down into his groin. He never makes contact with the ball. Allen either by luck or instinct is pulling the ball up and closer to his chest as the punch glances off his chest and heads to his nuts.

 

I don't think it's luck, I think Allen has been working on his ball security with the RB coach and it's starting to pay off.  I think earlier this season that's a sure-fire fumble.

 

Watt tries to scoop the ball out as he pulls his arm back out and Allen is pulled down.  Allen holds on hard and uses his left arm to push Watt's scooping arm away.

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The ones that scare me are the fumbles that happen in the pocket when Allen gets blindsided. Allen overall has been getting better, but in the Ravens game it seemed his pocket awareness went way down.

If the Bills play the Steelers again I hope one of the lineman gives Watt a healthy punch to the gut or groin. 

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18 minutes ago, Stenbar said:

That play should be a penalty. You can't freaking punch someone with the  hopes of jarring the ball loose. If that is the case then  just start punching the hell out of everyone that has possession. Start drafting MMA fighters to force fumbles. LOL...What a freaking joke. SHould be a unsportsmanlike  and a automatic ejection and fine.  I know it is not a rule now but going forward they need to change that immediately

I'm starting to agree with this that the play should be illegal since it is a punch.  If he hits the guys hand it can cause injury if it hits his wrist forearm it can cause injury as well.  

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27 minutes ago, Nick the Greek said:

I’m just waiting for some one to try and punch for a fumble, miss, and end up punching the ball carrier in the face. 
 

that’s gonna be hilarious. 

 

Same here. 

And, then they get ejected!  

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20 minutes ago, Stenbar said:

I saw the Ravens blitz and the Steelers just rushed the four for the most part. Thats a big reason. Guarantee the Pats come after him.

 

The Steelers blitzed.  The Bills played a lot of 12 and 22 packages. DiMarco, Smith, and Kroft saw more playing time.  Knox saw less, as did McKensie and even Beasley.

 

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27 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said:

How is that possibly legal? And if it were, why wouldn’t 350 pound defensive tackles just wind up and punch running backs as hard as they can in the breastplate or gut on every play trying to cause a fumble?

Because that requires incredible timing to hit the ball as the ball carrier gets even with you while you're engaged with a blocker or, like you see in the Watt video, running next to the ball carrier sacrificing yards instead of going for the tackle.  

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5 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

What was, protecting Allen and avoiding another game-turning, game losing strip sack on our own 24 yd line?

No, allowing the Steelers to do what they do best by bunching everyone up tight. Outside of the bomb to Brown all of the good plays we had all game were in the spread version and all of the crap was with DiMarco and Smith. Both TDs were in 11. The change held them back drastically. 

3 minutes ago, Jauronimo said:

Because that requires incredible timing to hit the ball as the ball carrier gets even with you while you're engaged with a blocker or, like you see in the Watt video, running next to the ball carrier sacrificing yards instead of going for the tackle.  

But if they allow you to just punch a ball carrier as hard as you want and that’s okay whether you get it or not why wouldn’t you do it every play?

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2 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said:

No, allowing the Steelers to do what they do best by bunching everyone up tight. Outside of the bomb to Brown all of the good plays we had all game were in the spread version and all of the crap was with DiMarco and Smith. Both TDs were in 11. The change held them back drastically. 

But if they allow you to just punch a ball carrier as hard as you want and that’s okay whether you get it or not why wouldn’t you do it every play?

Because that requires incredible timing and coordination to hit the ball as the ball carrier gets even with you while you're engaged with a blocker or, like you see in the Watt video, running next to the ball carrier sacrificing yards instead of going for the tackle.  

 

If you swing at the ball carrier and get neither the ball or bring down the man then you may find your playing time reduced dramatically.

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3 minutes ago, Jauronimo said:

Because that requires incredible timing and coordination to hit the ball as the ball carrier gets even with you while you're engaged with a blocker or, like you see in the Watt video, running next to the ball carrier sacrificing yards instead of going for the tackle.  

 

If you swing at the ball carrier and get neither the ball or bring down the man then you may find your playing time reduced dramatically.

Alternatively, you may also get Chris Collinsworth and Al Michaels to pump your DPOY campaign for a solid 15 minutes in a losing effort!

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