The Patriots Have a Tom Brady Problem

[Bring it]

6 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

I'm just glad they decide to go to the end with Brady rather than going with Jimmy G.

Probably the post of the day!!! 

[dave mcbride]

Just now, Buffalo716 said:

Soo many  of the throws Wentz made last night were screens 1 yard behind the LoS. Philly runs more screens than any NFL team

 

I saw maybe 3-5 balls all night travel over 15 - 20 yards

 

Wentz was good but he threw over a dozen screens , the bills probably don't even have a dozen screens all year

He threw a beautiful third-down deep ball late in the the game into the EZ that should have been caught, and on the final drive hit two relatively deep throws (to Arcega-Whiteside and Goedert). He also hit Ertz deep a couple of times on their FG drive in the second quarter.

[Buffalo716]

5 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

He threw a beautiful third-down deep ball late in the the game into the EZ that should have been caught, and on the final drive hit two relatively deep throws (to Arcega-Whiteside and Goedert). He also hit Ertz deep a couple of times on their FG drive in the second quarter.

Like I said about 5 balls 15-20 yards downfield. That throw to Whiteside was 22 yards. Allen makes 20 yard strikes all the time and nobody thinks they are deep balls

 

He threw some good balls but I'm not super impressed watching Wentz all season. I don't think he has raised his game much since he came in

 

He literally throws 15+ screens a game and they usually all pop for good yardage

 

 

[dave mcbride]

3 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

Like I said about 5 balls 15-20 yards downfield. That throw to Whiteside was 22 yards. Allen makes 20 yard strikes all the time and nobody thinks they are deep balls

 

He threw some good balls but I'm not super impressed watching Wentz all season. I don't think he has raised his game much since he came in

 

He literally throws 15+ screens a game and they usually all pop for good yardage

 

 

He's not having a great season, but he is having a good season. He played well against Miami too. They had no business losing that game, which was all on the defense. 

[Buffalo716]

1 minute ago, dave mcbride said:

He's not having a great season, but he is having a good season. He played well against Miami too. They had no business losing that game, which was all on the defense. 

I think he needs to use his legs more .. i know he tore his ACL but he was so mobile

[dave mcbride]

Just now, Buffalo716 said:

I think he needs to use his legs more .. i know he tore his ACL but he was so mobile

Well, unfortunately he was mobile against the Bills ...

[Max Fischer]

I'll believe Brady and the Pats are no longer dangerous when they don't make the playoffs or at least lose in the first round.  Go Bengals. Go Dolphins.

[boater]

Belichick jettisons players before they hit their peak. The one exception is Brady. Brady is past his peak and his still around. Why? The great Garoppolo was standing in the wings ready to go.

 

I believe Brady is still around because Kraft made him untouchable. I believe Belichick was ready to move on from the Brady era and into the Garoppolo era last season. But Kraft stepped in and made Brady untouchable which forced Belichick into a trade with SFO.

 

Some reports from the period painted Brady as very insecure about Garoppolo---and suggest that Brady lobbied Kraft to get Garoppolo traded. Believable.

 

Yes. The Patsies do have a Tom Brady problem, and it's their own fault.

 

 

[bills and clippers fan]

intentional grounding king.  i hate this guy.  oops, maybe wrong thread.

[The Frankish Reich]

36 minutes ago, boater said:

Belichick jettisons players before they hit their peak. The one exception is Brady. Brady is past his peak and his still around. Why? The great Garoppolo was standing in the wings ready to go.

 

I believe Brady is still around because Kraft made him untouchable. I believe Belichick was ready to move on from the Brady era and into the Garoppolo era last season. But Kraft stepped in and made Brady untouchable which forced Belichick into a trade with SFO.

 

Some reports from the period painted Brady as very insecure about Garoppolo---and suggest that Brady lobbied Kraft to get Garoppolo traded. Believable.

 

Yes. The Patsies do have a Tom Brady problem, and it's their own fault.

 

 

Exactly. It would have been tough to do, but the right move would’ve been to hand the keys to Jimmy G 3 years ago. I am just keeping my fingers crossed that Stidham is not some kind of franchise QB in waiting. If he’s just a guy, the Pats may be well and truly screwed for the next few seasons, by which time Belichick will be gone too. 

[TwistofFate]

I dislike Brady as much as the next guy, but the tape says otherwise.   He can still make every throw, including the deep out.  He can still drop them in the bucket 40 yards down field.  He's still....very much dangerous. 

 

The real problem is Edelman is the only real threat.  No Gordon, no Gronk, no AB, and a rookie who was hurt most of the year.  

 

His mobility has always sucked, but his pocket presence is still there as well as pocket movements...albeit slower than it once was. 

 

Here's his tape...there is nothing wrong with his arm. 

 

 

Throwing it away is the smart thing to do when recievers aren't open, especially when the defense is playing as well as they are. 

[Punching Bag]

8 hours ago, Dopey said:

I am glad a downfall appears to be on the horizon, but I'm seeing terrible offensive personnel as the biggest issue. Gronk is gone, the oline is really banged up and a below avg group of wrs. Sure, Brady is 42 and on the decline, but if he still had a Gronk type TE, a healthy oline, and even our WRs, they beat the Chiefs and probably the Texans. Ravens still smoke em.

 

Hey I heard from Pissed Fans that they got a great RT Bills dumped!

[Junyto]

He's done, nothing lasts for ever. 

And will own the afc east. 

[billsfan_34]

They sure do and a cheatin’ problem and a lack of talent problem.

[IronyAbounds]

The Pats bigger problem will be losses to the Bengals, Bills and Dolphins in the next three weeks and having to go as a wild card team.

 

Now excuse me while I refill my crack pipe.

Edited December 11, 2019 by IronyAbounds

[LSHMEAB]

8 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

This would have been Jimmy G's 6th year on the bench, with a likely 7th coming next year. 

 

 

Since they drafted Jimmy G, NE has appeared in 4 SBs and won 2.  2 of those appearances the last 2 seasons since they traded him away. 

 

As stated above, unless Brady (whos is still running a top 10 scoring and passing offense on a 10-3 team) retires this off season, Garappolo would be siting indefinitely on the bench.  What would be the point of that?

I think Jimmy G would be playing RIGHT NOW if he were on the roster, but yes, they didn't have the option of retaining him and he wouldn't have taken over for Brady during the seasons you mention.

 

That being said, I would be SHOCKED if Brady came back for another season. Completely shocked.

[Mr. WEO]

5 hours ago, I am the egg man said:

Be it 1 game a season or 16, when Gronkowski was on the field defenses were perplexed.

 

Greatest TE ever.....so far.

 

One of the greatest, for sure.

 

My point was that they won without him.

[scribo]

Pats*** fans taking this as a very bad sign...

 

[Mr. WEO]

46 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said:

I think Jimmy G would be playing RIGHT NOW if he were on the roster, but yes, they didn't have the option of retaining him and he wouldn't have taken over for Brady during the seasons you mention.

 

That being said, I would be SHOCKED if Brady came back for another season. Completely shocked.

 

 

Playing right now over Brady?  After sitting around on the bench for 6 years and with the team at 10-3....they would bench Brady for Garappolo??

 

The likelihood of this being true:  zero point zero.

[LSHMEAB]

4 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

Playing right now over Brady?  After sitting around on the bench for 6 years and with the team at 10-3....they would bench Brady for Garappolo??

 

The likelihood of this being true:  zero point zero.

BB is cuthroat. He has zero blanks to give about Brady's legacy and he's not an idiot. Very bright coach. He's gonna play the better QB. Unless you want to make the case that Brady is better than Jimmy G right now. Is that what you believe?

Edited December 11, 2019 by LSHMEAB

[ALLEN1QB]

Bye Bye Cheater!!

[Mr. WEO]

1 minute ago, LSHMEAB said:

BB is cuthroat. He has zero blanks to give about Brady's legacy and he's not an idiot. Very bright coach. He's gonna play the better QB. Unless you want to make the case that Brady is better than Jimmy G right now. Is that what you believe?

 

 

Garappollo gathering dust on the shelf for many seasons would not be better than Brady right now.  

[Hapless Bills Fan]

12 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

Playing right now over Brady?  After sitting around on the bench for 6 years and with the team at 10-3....they would bench Brady for Garappolo??

The likelihood of this being true:  zero point zero.

 

Who sat around on the bench for 6 years?

Garappolo was traded after notching 2 wins at the start of his 3rd season.  He looked very good, and made it clear he was not going to re-up with NE unless promised to start.

 

I have no opinion on the likelihood of Garappolo playing for Brady.  Arguably, the last 4 weeks the former has played better than the latter, but they're playing on different offenses throwing to different players.

[LSHMEAB]

1 minute ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

Garappollo gathering dust on the shelf for many seasons would not be better than Brady right now.  

Completely disagree, but the notion of Jimmy G riding the pine for 6 seasons would have never happened. He was gonna get bank and the Pats weren't gonna pay 2 QB's.

 

BUT, he's better right now. And believe it or not, I respect Tom Brady and don't really have animus towards him. Probably because I'm a Michigan guy. Consider him the greatest QB of all time. I watched him towards the end of last season and the zip just wasn't there. Now he's getting REALLY shaky behind the line because his body is telling his mind that he cannot absorb hits. It happens to everyone and it's happening to TB. 

[NoSaint]

11 hours ago, stevewin said:

It's so great that Brady's insecurity and ego forced their hand to get rid of a ready-made successor.  What a douche

what was the alternative? Brady would have to be gone by now. They couldn’t coexist this long.

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

The Patriots might better have kept Brissett at this point. Jimmy G was someone that was going to create an issue eventually but nobody was going to be knocking the door down for Brissett. He turned out to be a pretty good qb and had they kept him in that system longer, he might be ready to hit the ground running and keep them on top of the division. I think the end is finally in sight for Brady but he’s still got something left. I wouldn’t want to have to play them in the playoffs but it certainly seems to be about over. I really hope the Chargers rumors are true because this thing needs to actually be over at some point. Enough is enough. Give us a look at an off-season, knowing Brady is out of the way.

[Mr. WEO]

3 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Who sat around on the bench for 6 years?

Garappolo was traded after notching 2 wins at the start of his 3rd season.  He looked very good, and made it clear he was not going to re-up with NE unless promised to start.

 

I have no opinion on the likelihood of Garappolo playing for Brady.  Arguably, the last 4 weeks the former has played better than the latter, but they're playing on different offenses throwing to different players.

 

Just now, LSHMEAB said:

Completely disagree, but the notion of Jimmy G riding the pine for 6 seasons would have never happened. He was gonna get bank and the Pats weren't gonna pay 2 QB's.

 

BUT, he's better right now. And believe it or not, I respect Tom Brady and don't really have animus towards him. Probably because I'm a Michigan guy. Consider him the greatest QB of all time. I watched him towards the end of last season and the zip just wasn't there. Now he's getting REALLY shaky behind the line because his body is telling his mind that he cannot absorb hits. It happens to everyone and it's happening to TB. 

 

Obviously this is a discussion of what would be happening now with NE if Garappolo was still a Patriot, fellas. 

 

IF he was still a Patriot, there is absolutely no way that yesterday morning, BB is benching Brady for Garappolo.

 

 

[LSHMEAB]

1 minute ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

IF he was still a Patriot, there is absolutely no way that yesterday morning, BB is benching Brady for Garappolo.

 

 

If that were the case, BB would be making a very poor decision.

[NoSaint]

14 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said:

BB is cuthroat. He has zero blanks to give about Brady's legacy and he's not an idiot. Very bright coach. He's gonna play the better QB. Unless you want to make the case that Brady is better than Jimmy G right now. Is that what you believe?

meh. It’s a bit of a tough point to argue. Would JG beat out Brady on the depth chart based solely on practice reps? 
 

not sure anyone would pull that trigger on the 2 seed in December. I’m sure they’d be interested based on his now much more extensive resume, but he wouldn’t have that.

[Ga boy]

10 hours ago, KellyToTasker said:

You’ve been patient. 

I would have an all night party if we win 7-6.

[KD in CA]

1 hour ago, scribo said:

Pats*** fans taking this as a very bad sign...

 

Because he’s an insecure douchebag who still needs everyone to pay attention to him and still needs to play the ‘no one believes in me!’ card after a 20 year HOF career.

 

[Ga boy]

10 hours ago, Jerry Jabber said:

Ever since that 56-10 beating the Bills took at home in 2007 by the Patriots, I've been wanting to see the Bills get a blowout victory against the Patriots in Foxboro. Hopefully that will finally come to fruition in a couple of weeks.

Actually, I would partee for 2 days with a score of 2-0, Bills.   So sweet.  TB would squeal off in his Lamborghini.  Go Bills!!

 

[Dr.Sack]

Tom Brady sucks this year.

[Success]

I knew this would happen.  

 

[Tcali]

brady has declined quickly-----but belichek keeps getting smarter. belichek greatest coach ever. lombardi and walsh tied at 2

[Bing Bong]

On 12/10/2019 at 9:46 AM, klos63 said:

Brady has to throw the ball away more now. Despite how great a shape he keeps himself, a 42 year old can't take the hits that a younger player can. Keep putting pressure up the middle on him and you can beat him.

He's the best to ever do exactly that. Throws it in the dirt or goes down if he see shadows. Arguably it's what makes him the GOAT.. having the longevity and whatnot. I'm not sure I'd want to tell the master about the risks rewards of when to throw the football.

 

He's just super old. Could have happened when he was 40 or 50, he was gonna have a decline no matter how much he's avoiding hits. He's still trying to win ball games.

[TheFunPolice]

Brady literally drops down to the ground the second pressure gets anywhere near him...

 

He's got a busted up elbow and a foot injury. 

 

Let's get them a 4th loss when we play them, then they lose out on a bye if KC wins out. Plus they will need to play all 17 weeks. No resting starters. No week off to heal. 

 

And on top of all that, they will likely draw the 6th seed team in the Wild Card round, which this year could very well be the physical Titans team. The Titans will tune them up a bit, and IF they get through that one, it's on the road to KC or Baltimore.