Seantrel Henderson - OT depth? (Update - visiting Bills)

[Rocky Landing]

3 hours ago, Phil The Thrill said:

This has been discussed in the thread.  ThT narrative about Seantrel is a cop out.  Why didn’t Seantrel follow the proper protocol and notify the NFL that he was prescribed medical marijuana? 

A cop out? What does that even mean? Are you suggesting he was using his Crohn's disease as an excuse to smoke pot? Do you think that he has a substance abuse problem in the vein of Karlos Williams? Because the would be an ignorant assumption. 

 

Also, as I recall, he was very straightforward regarding his medical marijuana needs, and use. Read this article on his struggle with the disease, and then tell us how he "copped out." 

https://www.houstonchronicle.com/sports/texans/article/Seantrel-Henderson-gets-fresh-start-with-Texans-13132409.php

[Buffalo Barbarian]

Meh

 

 

[hemma]

If you want to see Allen scramble a lot more, by all means, get this lump.

[Punching Bag]

15 hours ago, Locomark said:

That’s different! Players aren’t using the substance at work. Your work can’t tell you not to drink at home on the weekend, can they????

 

Depends on job.  A friend who is an airline pilot got notice about alcohol use 2 days before a flight he was supposed to be backup pilot on a flight.  He had drink with dinner that night and had a random test at work.  He rarely drinks and his union recommended he fight it just so it does not set precedent in file since amount of alcohol was so low. 

 

Federal contractors in all 50 states and all US territories may not use MJ despite it being "legal" in some states.

 

Nothing is absolute about jobs.

10 hours ago, Rocky Landing said:

A cop out? What does that even mean? Are you suggesting he was using his Crohn's disease as an excuse to smoke pot? Do you think that he has a substance abuse problem in the vein of Karlos Williams? Because the would be an ignorant assumption. 

 

Also, as I recall, he was very straightforward regarding his medical marijuana needs, and use. Read this article on his struggle with the disease, and then tell us how he "copped out." 

https://www.houstonchronicle.com/sports/texans/article/Seantrel-Henderson-gets-fresh-start-with-Texans-13132409.php

 

This had been researched before when he was a Bill.  He was a habitual user in college before any signs of disease so he is not an ideal test case for union to use in fight.  

[Tenhigh]

2 hours ago, hemma said:

If you want to see Allen scramble a lot more, by all means, get this lump.

Who is your better short term alternative?  

[MiltonWaddams]

1 hour ago, Tenhigh said:

Who is your better short term alternative?  

I am going to preempt the response with the response of ....Ryan Bates.

[hemma]

1 hour ago, Tenhigh said:

Who is your better short term alternative?  

 

Bates, Botteger, Lee Smith, a bag of sand ... in that order.

[BringBackOrton]

17 hours ago, Locomark said:

It’s already been debated heavily among national commentators that medicinal weed is likely to be unbanned since it is now legal when a doctor prescribes it in a ton of states. Also it’s likely to be unbanned at the next CBA. You can’t have society make it legal and then your employer suspend you for it. They aren’t driving heavy machinery !!!! 

I have some contracts with nicotine free policies to show you.

13 hours ago, Rocky Landing said:

A cop out? What does that even mean? Are you suggesting he was using his Crohn's disease as an excuse to smoke pot? Do you think that he has a substance abuse problem in the vein of Karlos Williams? Because the would be an ignorant assumption. 

 

Also, as I recall, he was very straightforward regarding his medical marijuana needs, and use. Read this article on his struggle with the disease, and then tell us how he "copped out." 

https://www.houstonchronicle.com/sports/texans/article/Seantrel-Henderson-gets-fresh-start-with-Texans-13132409.php

It certainly is quite a coincidence that the “one” thing that works for Seantrel’s disease is a drug he used regularly prior to diagnosis.

[Chandler#81]

13 hours ago, Rocky Landing said:

A cop out? What does that even mean? Are you suggesting he was using his Crohn's disease as an excuse to smoke pot? Do you think that he has a substance abuse problem in the vein of Karlos Williams? Because the would be an ignorant assumption. 

 

Also, as I recall, he was very straightforward regarding his medical marijuana needs, and use. Read this article on his struggle with the disease, and then tell us how he "copped out." 

https://www.houstonchronicle.com/sports/texans/article/Seantrel-Henderson-gets-fresh-start-with-Texans-13132409.php

He’s one of our “special needs” kids. Go easy on him, please..

[YoloinOhio]

1 hour ago, MiltonWaddams said:

I am going to preempt the response with the response of ....Ryan Bates.

They aren’t cutting Bates. He’s in addition to Bates, if signed.

[GreggTX]

On a related note, Ford will be asked to block Von Miller and Demarcus Lawrence in our next 2 games. That has me worried. CF has been a major disappointment so far. Still, I like to think he could become a decent RG some day.

[John from Riverside]

36 minutes ago, GreggTX said:

On a related note, Ford will be asked to block Von Miller and Demarcus Lawrence in our next 2 games. That has me worried. CF has been a major disappointment so far. Still, I like to think he could become a decent RG some day.

Ford has actually been improving not sure if you noticed

[tcampbell104]

36 minutes ago, GreggTX said:

On a related note, Ford will be asked to block Von Miller and Demarcus Lawrence in our next 2 games. That has me worried. CF has been a major disappointment so far. Still, I like to think he could become a decent RG some day.

house ballard was horrible his first two years in the league

[Rocky Landing]

9 hours ago, Limeaid said:

 

This had been researched before when he was a Bill.  He was a habitual user in college before any signs of disease so he is not an ideal test case for union to use in fight.  

Where did you find the word "habitual?" I don't know of any credible source that has described him as "habitual." He had a history of smoking marijuana in college. Do you know who else had a history of smoking marijuana in college? That's a rhetorical question. Millions upon millions of people have smoked weed in college. I smoked weed in college. I'm 55 years old, and I still smoke once in a great while. And, that does not qualify me as "habitual."

 

7 hours ago, BringBackOrton said:

 

It certainly is quite a coincidence that the “one” thing that works for Seantrel’s disease is a drug he used regularly prior to diagnosis.

This is disingenuous. Seantrel smoked marijuana in college. Sure, that would be "prior" to diagnosis, but there is no evidence that he smoked in the NFL for anything other than medical reasons. And, I hope you look at that article I linked. His condition was utterly dire. It's miraculous that he was able to work his way back into the NFL.

 

EDIT: And, I don't know if you've ever smoked yourself, but habitual marijuana use most certainly does not lend itself to the sort of work ethic required to work one's way back from the effects Seantrel suffered-- 50 lbs of weight loss, 2 1/2 feet of intestine removed, four months of crapping into an ileostomy bag attached to a hole in his waist. It's beyond me that anyone would sweat his use of medical marijuana, and not instead just admire his resiliency.

Edited November 24, 2019 by Rocky Landing

[gjv001]

I think Henderson is worth signing.

[BringBackOrton]

23 minutes ago, Rocky Landing said:

Where did you find the word "habitual?" I don't know of any credible source that has described him as "habitual." He had a history of smoking marijuana in college. Do you know who else had a history of smoking marijuana in college? That's a rhetorical question. Millions upon millions of people have smoked weed in college. I smoked weed in college. I'm 55 years old, and I still smoke once in a great while. And, that does not qualify me as "habitual."

 

This is disingenuous. Seantrel smoked marijuana in college. Sure, that would be "prior" to diagnosis, but there is no evidence that he smoked in the NFL for anything other than medical reasons. And, I hope you look at that article I linked. His condition was utterly dire. It's miraculous that he was able to work his way back into the NFL.

 

EDIT: And, I don't know if you've ever smoked yourself, but habitual marijuana use most certainly does not lend itself to the sort of work ethic required to work one's way back from the effects Seantrel suffered-- 50 lbs of weight loss, 2 1/2 feet of intestine removed, four months of crapping into an ileostomy bag attached to a hole in his waist. It's beyond me that anyone would sweat his use of medical marijuana, and not instead just admire his resiliency.

How is that disingenuous? He smoked prior to diagnosis. He smoked regulalry enough to get suspended THREE TIMES in college for it. Then he gets diagnosed and it’s the only treatment that works for him. And he gets suspended again for it in the NFL.

 

I have seen many people with colostomies. It sucks. I can appreciate the gravity of Seantrel’s condition, as well as the coincidence of marijuana as his first line treatment. It’s possible to have two thoughts in one brain.

[Mr. WEO]

This has been discussed ad nauseum. 
 

Marijuana (or opioids, for that matter) is not part of the standard of care for treating Crohn’s disease.  It is not prescribed, typically, by Crohns specialists to treat the acute or chronic phases of this disease. 
 

Henderson would not, therefore, have received a medical exception.  Knowing this, he smoked anyway, knowing it was a violation.  The consequences are his to bear.  There is no alternative in this situation at this point. 
 

 

[BringBackOrton]

1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said:

This has been discussed ad nauseum. 
 

Marijuana (or opioids, for that matter) is not part of the standard of care for treating Crohn’s disease.  It is not prescribed, typically, by Crohns specialists to treat the acute or chronic phases of this disease. 
 

Henderson would not, therefore, have received a medical exception.  Knowing this, he smoked anyway, knowing it was a violation.  The consequences are his to bear.  There is no alternative in this situation at this point. 
 

 

They don’t get it. By just saying, “It’s a treatment!” is not a valid excuse for the NFL. 

 

You cant say you need HGH and then just take it, either. 

[Rocky Landing]

1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said:

This has been discussed ad nauseum. 
 

Marijuana (or opioids, for that matter) is not part of the standard of care for treating Crohn’s disease.  It is not prescribed, typically, by Crohns specialists to treat the acute or chronic phases of this disease. 
 

Henderson would not, therefore, have received a medical exception.  Knowing this, he smoked anyway, knowing it was a violation.  The consequences are his to bear.  There is no alternative in this situation at this point. 
 

 

This has been discussed ad nauseam, other than to say that Henderson's previous suspensions for medical marijuana use should not be a consideration in whether the Bills sign him.

[MiltonWaddams]

9 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

They aren’t cutting Bates. He’s in addition to Bates, if signed.

Who said Bates was getting cut? I was continuing a on-going pattern of responses indicating Bates as the alternative to Seantrel.

[YoloinOhio]

10 minutes ago, MiltonWaddams said:

Who said Bates was getting cut? I was continuing a on-going pattern of responses indicating Bates as the alternative to Seantrel.

He’s not an “alternative” to him if they are both on the team. Bates is already on the 53. They would be both be in depth roles.

[MiltonWaddams]

3 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

He’s not an “alternative” to him if they are both on the team. Bates is already on the 53. They would be both be in depth roles.

I guess it’s a matter of perception? Bates IS on the team and Henderson visited. I was responding to a To a question that asked who would be the better alternative. The alternative is already on the team and that is Ryan Bates. Not really sure why you decided that you needed to respond the way you did, but I’ll just let it go and carry-on.

[CSBill]

I hoping Bates gets some snaps today to spell Ford (just for the rest, not because Ford is doing terrible). Whoever is out there, they will be tested by the Broncos D-line and linebackers.

[2020 Our Year For Sure]

4 hours ago, MiltonWaddams said:

I guess it’s a matter of perception? Bates IS on the team and Henderson visited. I was responding to a To a question that asked who would be the better alternative. The alternative is already on the team and that is Ryan Bates. Not really sure why you decided that you needed to respond the way you did, but I’ll just let it go and carry-on.

How can Bates be the 4th tackle when he's already the 3rd tackle?

[Kirby Jackson]

4 hours ago, MiltonWaddams said:

I guess it’s a matter of perception? Bates IS on the team and Henderson visited. I was responding to a To a question that asked who would be the better alternative. The alternative is already on the team and that is Ryan Bates. Not really sure why you decided that you needed to respond the way you did, but I’ll just let it go and carry-on.

He can’t really be the alternative because he is already there. The tackles were Dawkins-Nsekhe-Ford-Bates. The argument is what is the best possible 4 now with Nsekhe out? Dawkins-Ford-Bates-? That is where Henderson enters the conversation (or whomever people prefer as that guy).

[dollars 2 donuts]

I didn’t read through this entire thread To see if any one posted this.

 

although this regime was the one that cut him I remembering reading articles where McDermott and staff were quoted about being very impressed with his work ethic.

 

it has been a tough road for him after his issues in college, but I like seeing that the kid got some years in, and some money out of, the nfl.

[4merper4mer]

12 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

This has been discussed ad nauseum. 
 

Marijuana (or opioids, for that matter) is not part of the standard of care for treating Crohn’s disease.  It is not prescribed, typically, by Crohns specialists to treat the acute or chronic phases of this disease. 
 

Henderson would not, therefore, have received a medical exception.  Knowing this, he smoked anyway, knowing it was a violation.  The consequences are his to bear.  There is no alternative in this situation at this point. 
 

 

I'm sure if he signs with the Pats you'll come up with a lot of alternative reasonings.

[YoloinOhio]

7 hours ago, MiltonWaddams said:

I guess it’s a matter of perception? Bates IS on the team and Henderson visited. I was responding to a To a question that asked who would be the better alternative. The alternative is already on the team and that is Ryan Bates. Not really sure why you decided that you needed to respond the way you did, but I’ll just let it go and carry-on.

I wasn’t being snarky. I just didn’t understand the comment. They need to replace Nseckhe roster spot in either the short term or long term depending how long he’s out. Bates already has a roster spot. That’s all. 

[MiltonWaddams]

1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said:

I wasn’t being snarky. I just didn’t understand the comment. They need to replace Nseckhe roster spot in either the short term or long term depending how long he’s out. Bates already has a roster spot. That’s all. 

Apologies. I misunderstood that part. I took it as who was going to replace Nsekhe’s active roster spot. Bates being most-often inactive this season but on the roster made him the logical choice from that perspective.

[Tenhigh]

On 11/23/2019 at 11:50 AM, MiltonWaddams said:

I am going to preempt the response with the response of ....Ryan Bates.

We have him already. Who backs up Bates?

On 11/23/2019 at 11:54 AM, hemma said:

 

Bates, Botteger, Lee Smith, a bag of sand ... in that order.

So, reasonable discussion not gonna happen.  Thanks for the heads up, let's disengage.

[Conlan58]

I think with todays oline performance and Ty being week to week, we won't see any signings any time soon

[YoloinOhio]

 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

15 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

 

So sounds like the Bills either said "No" or "vet minimum" and Seantrel said "Let me get back to you on that"

[Punching Bag]

7 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

So sounds like the Bills either said "No" or "vet minimum" and Seantrel said "Let me get back to you on that"

 

They probably "Said hope you enjoyed the trip and tour of new facilities.  We have updated our file and will let you know if we determine we need to sign another linemen. Good luck."