Bills at Browns Post Game Post Mortem

[Conlan58]

Did anyone notice how liuget looked today? I didnt notice him at all... not sure if it was a lack of snaps or he was just doing well enough not to be noticed (like how we notice star every game it seems).

[That's No Moon]

1 minute ago, dneveu said:

When Is 61.5 percent acceptable as a kicker?

When is a 53 yard FG off grass, in Cleveland, in November, considered anything more than sketchy?

[Bangarang]

3 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

I don’t think he was.  I don’t think McDermott wanted to kick a 53 yard FG to tie it.  Allen just missed.

McD showed a complete lack of awareness and urgency with how that final minute was managed. I honestly don’t believe he was playing to win the game there. 

[ColoradoBills]

1 minute ago, dneveu said:

 

I didnt like that call on 3rd and 3 to not have anyone near the sticks.

 

I agree that was not the time to go deep.  They need to do it earlier in games.

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

Just now, Royale with Cheese said:

 

Im not sure about that.  

 

I know he didn't expect blitz.. that's on him. But not a lot of coordinators are jailbreaking there. 

[That's No Moon]

1 minute ago, Sig1Hunter said:

Alarm bells? Did you go into this season expecting a super bowl championship? If so, those alarm bells are your own fault for ridiculous expectations.  If you went in with wanting to see growth and potential for a playoff berth, then there’s no alarm bells. The team is a 10-6 / 9-7 type team. Which is a helluva lot better than 6-10. 
 

The age of “I want it now!” is a lovely time to be alive. 

This team is exactly the same as it was last year, and the year before, they are just playing a weaker schedule.

[Agent 91]

2 hours ago, Locomark said:

Let’s face it we still don’t have enough talent on offense. Josh was mediocre, his right tackles are terrible so they can’t run right or throw deep without him getting hit in the face, and the WRs aren’t getting much separation if any. The world has now seen Beasley’s inside out swirl move 100 times. It’s no longer a surprise. Frank gets 1-4 yards and I feel like walking out of the room when we go to giant man package like we are the 1980 Cornhuskers. 

The coordinator has one  group of plays that always work, the jet sweep package, and he didn’t use hardly any. He has a RB with open field abilities yet throws him the ball 3 yards from the sideline.

Then our GM spent $7MM on some guy named Kroft who may actually not have left the locker room, not sure..........uggggghhhhh 

That Beasley Swirl... I think you can patent that by the way... keeps working

[Lieutenant Aldo Raine]

32 minutes ago, Dr.Mantis_Toboggan said:

Is the Defense perfect? No, no such thing as evident by the Pats thrashing at the hands of the Ravens last week. 

To say the defense didn’t do it’s job today however is ignorant.  They did more than enough and get next to no support from the offense.  

Clearly you’re one of those guys who puts the fan hood of his favorite QB ahead of the team, I’ve seen it time and time again since the Kelly era ended.   

 

If Josh hits those deep balls they win, no?

 

Probably.  However, I never suggested that, nor did I say the defense OVERALL didn't do their job.  I focused specifically on the final Brown's where the defense allowed the GO-AHEAD TD.  Clearly you are one of those guys who puts the overall loss solely on the QB.  If the Bills stop the Browns on the final drive, do they win - YES or NO?  That's all I am saying.  Clearly if Allen and the offense, the FG kicker makes kicks, we might not be in that position, but don't deny my point as not being a reality.

Edited November 11, 2019 by Lieutenant Aldo Raine

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

Just now, That's No Moon said:

When is a 53 yard FG off grass, in Cleveland, in November, considered anything more than sketchy?

 

Sure- they also passed up like 4 other fg chances.  What's the deal with the other one he missed? Or the one against NE? Are we going to just pretend he's good?

[That's No Moon]

Just now, dneveu said:

 

Sure- they also passed up like 4 other fg chances.  What's the deal with the other one he missed? Or the one against NE? Are we going to just pretend he's good?

Oh no, you're right, Hauschka has been crap.  I'm suggesting that McDermott was stupid to even consider playing for that FG which he clearly did.

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

3 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

I agree that was not the time to go deep.  They need to do it earlier in games.

 

They called the one and got PI early. He can't find the trajectory it seems. I know he got drilled on the McKenzie one, but you just need to float that more.

[Agent 91]

2 hours ago, TonyBeets said:

 

I felt like when he had time he delivered.   WRs cannot get separation.

I wasnt there but I refuse to believe Beasley brown and knox were never open. I could be all wrong but it's just tough. I think it's more accurate to say Allen cant throw guys open. Windows open and close so fast he doesnt anticipate those quick opportunities

[BullBuchanan]

1 hour ago, Dopey said:

They won those 6 games. That's what it's based on. Just because you're pissed off right now doesn't take away those 6 wins. It doesn't work that way. If we were a 3-6 team, we would be 3-6. I might not change your mind, but you won't change my mine. That line about not deserving to be 6-3 is a load of crap.

You can have a thing you don't deserve, and right now the Bills have a winning record. Enjoy. I'm sure it'll mean a lot in January.

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

Just now, That's No Moon said:

Oh no, you're right, Hauschka has been crap.  I'm suggesting that McDermott was stupid to even consider playing for that FG which he clearly did.

 

Agreed. Allen missed Beasley on third but I may have tried to just... Get the 4 yards on 3rd, clock it to save the TO and try and get 10-15 yards so I can take a shot or something.

 

Either way. Let's not forget the D giving up a 75 yard drive to basically lose it. 

[london_bills]

5 minutes ago, Bangarang said:

McD showed a complete lack of awareness and urgency with how that final minute was managed. I honestly don’t believe he was playing to win the game there. 

It was a VERY disappointing last drive. Pretty much said in the presser was looking to tie. 

[Agent 91]

2 hours ago, CSBill said:

 

if you're that frustrated, go find another hobby, or another team.

He cant be frustrated?

[gobills1212]

30 minutes ago, Dr.Mantis_Toboggan said:

Stopped reading when you tried to criticize my “football acumen”, get a grip potato chip.

No that’s not my only takeaway, but it’s the most glaring deficiency on offense, (aside from suspect playcalling and getting into away from the run in a close game).

That was his strongest attribute last year, the big play.  They need that. It cost them huge today.  You’re little diatribe isn’t going to change the 14 points he left on the field, in what was a 3 point scoring differential.  

Deep ball is going to come? FOH, they are past the half way point of the year and he has yet to connect, despite his other worldly arm talent... Can’t blame Daboll for that. 

So yes, ultimately Josh failing to utilize his best skill as a QB is what lead to the loss today. It was their for the taking, he missed, more than once, pretty simple actually.

Stopped reading after your 1st absured comment.

Sadly, id imagine it only goes downhill from there..

[Dave Allen]

Looking at the big picture, I think the offense and defense are better than they were last year, and are on track to get even better next year.

 

My concern , like most everyone else's, is the offense. The total is less than the sum of its parts. The OL is ranked higher. Brown and Beasley are upgrades from last year, and so are Singletary and Gore. Allen has a higher passing percentage. It might not be full of Pro Bowlers, but you'd think by looking at the roster the offense would be more productive. Is Allen regressing? Is it the play calling? Honestly, I don't have an answer.  

[Seven-N-Nine]

16 minutes ago, That's No Moon said:

This team is exactly the same as it was last year, and the year before, they are just playing a weaker schedule.

It really is, and none of McDermott's teams are any better than Rex's teams.

Edited November 11, 2019 by Seven-N-Nine

[london_bills]

3 minutes ago, Dave Allen said:

Looking at the big picture, I think the offense and defense are better than they were last year, and are on track to get even better next year.

 

My concern , like most everyone else's, is the offense. The total is less than the sum of its parts. The OL is ranked higher. Brown and Beasley are upgrades from last year, and so are Singletary and Gore. Allen has a higher passing percentage. It might not be full of Pro Bowlers, but you'd think by looking at the roster the offense would be more productive. Is Allen regressing? Is it the play calling? Honestly, I don't have an answer.  

Yeah they are making a good point on the radio. When does a good team ever look like they did on the last drive? They had a chance there with 1 minute and one timeout and just slowed down and didn't look like they knew what they were doing. 

[Mopreme]

Ironically, Ravens are kicking butt and Roman is their offensive coordinator and Jackson was picked after Allen.  

[MAJBobby]

Well at least MIA can’t tank right. Gonna be outside looking in when it comes to Tua or Burrow 

[Urdad]

Browns fan here, don't worry Bills backers, you'll still make the playoffs, your schedule is very favorable. 

 

Your team tried really hard, just came up a bit short. You have some nice pieces, Singletary is good, that cornerback on OBJ. In a couple of years you could be great! 

[london_bills]

2 minutes ago, Urdad said:

Browns fan here, don't worry Bills backers, you'll still make the playoffs, your schedule is very favorable. 

 

Your team tried really hard, just came up a bit short. You have some nice pieces, Singletary is good, that cornerback on OBJ. In a couple of years you could be great! 

What about Allen? 

[twist_to_open]

We freaking suck. And as a 30 year Navy veteran, thanks for wreaking my weekend. It sucks to be a Buffalo fan same damn thing every year!

[Happy]

3 minutes ago, Seven-N-Nine said:

It really is, and none of McDermott's teams are any better than Rex's teams.

 

No, they're not...and that is sad.

So what to do now?  Wait for the light to come on with McD that he needs to get a better grip on the offense, re-think his defense, spend more time with SpT?  I don't think he really understands these other phases.  He also seems too rigid to change his defense, as well as coordinator.  

 

I doubt the Pegulas are panicking right now, but they don't really know a lot about football.  Plus McD and Beane are peers; neither can, or will fire the other.  The last thing we want to do is start over with a brand new defense (i.e. 3-4 or different variety of 4-3) and new personnel; that is how we stay 7-9.  Not an easy problem. 

[Bangarang]

5 minutes ago, Urdad said:

Browns fan here, don't worry Bills backers, you'll still make the playoffs, your schedule is very favorable. 

 

Your team tried really hard, just came up a bit short. You have some nice pieces, Singletary is good, that cornerback on OBJ. In a couple of years you could be great! 

Thanks I feel so much better now!

[london_bills]

1 minute ago, Bangarang said:

Thanks I feel so much better now!

Maybe 'urdad' can tell us what we have in josh Allen.. 

[Agent 91]

3 hours ago, Best Williams Available said:

McD, Daboll, JA, Haush, all deserve a lot of blame here. A defense that plays prevent ahead 4, no. An offense that can’t rack up rushing yards against CLE run D, terrible. 

Wallace too

[Seven-N-Nine]

1 minute ago, Happy Gilmore said:

 

No, they're not...and that is sad.

So what to do now?  Wait for the light to come on with McD that he needs to get a better grip on the offense, re-think his defense, spend more time with SpT?  I don't think he really understands these other phases.  He also seems too rigid to change his defense, as well as coordinator.  

 

I doubt the Pegulas are panicking right now, but they don't really know a lot about football.  Plus McD and Beane are peers; neither can, or will fire the other.  The last thing we want to do is start over with a brand new defense (i.e. 3-4 or different variety of 4-3) and new personnel; that is how we stay 7-9.  Not an easy problem. 

If the Bills miss the playoff's, and I am Pegula, I tell Beane to fire McDermott and start a HC search, and Beane has full say on who to hire, no butting in from the owners. I personally would do that no matter what, because even if the Bills sneak into the playoff's with this pitifull schedule, McDermott is showing he can't coach in this modern era of football. It's simply a waste of everyone's time to keep him on as HC.

[Dopey]

26 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

You can have a thing you don't deserve, and right now the Bills have a winning record. Enjoy. I'm sure it'll mean a lot in January.

Unless the refs gave us a win, we deserve them. Ugly or not. It must suck to be someone who doesn't enjoy wins.

[row_33]

3 minutes ago, Dopey said:

Unless the refs gave us a win, we deserve them. Ugly or not. It must suck to be someone who doesn't enjoy wins.

real fans know pretenders and frauds

[Agent 91]

3 hours ago, WideNine said:

Well we are what we are.

 

A poor offensive team with a decent defense that struggles to get off the field and stop the run and a defensive back in Wallace who is a liability in single coverage. The defense did an amazing job in their goal line stands and I will not take that away from them.

 

Hausch misses field goals so McD and Daboll cannot play the game like they can win by playing for field position and field goals. As much as I believe in consistency I still feel that Daboll game-plans and personnel selections are head-scratchers what is wrong with our screens - they get sniffed out all the time and Allen has to choose between throwing it in the dirt or into crowd of mixed jerseys. Why is Lee Smith on the field at all - how many holding penalties does it take to lose reps on this team ? Why is Duke not suited up when you need to be able to get Singletary out on the edge with space?

 

We have proved nothing against talented teams and Kitchens called one of the worst games I have ever seen and the Bills coaching staff still were out-coached - embarrassing and they are going to need to hear the critique that something needs to change. Especially the offense as that game management at the end was abysmal. Daboll has taught Allen that they can spike the ball to stop the clock - right? And a huddle with the clock running - WTF, that's coaching, more specifically the failure of coaching.

 

The Bills need to accept that they are not that good yet (sigh).

 

Sky is not falling - that 24 yard pass at the end was the longest by Mayfield, but good teams and defenses do not give up that score at the end.

 

We need another corner who can play man and be physical where I believe Wallace excels as a zone DB. Most of that drive, including the TD, was on Wallace.

 

 

 

He was fine when we ran man principles. Hes just too small to be physical hes NORMALLY bend but dont break. Landry is definitely on par with AT LEAST Brown. He's a 1b receiver. Landry is a horrific match for Wallace

[row_33]

That’s okay, playoffs might be lost in two more weeks 

[Best Player Available]

2 minutes ago, Dave Allen said:

Looking at the big picture, I think the offense and defense are better than they were last year, and are on track to get even better next year.

 

My concern , like most everyone else's, is the offense. The total is less than the sum of its parts. The OL is ranked higher. Brown and Beasley are upgrades from last year, and so are Singletary and Gore. Allen has a higher passing percentage. It might not be full of Pro Bowlers, but you'd think by looking at the roster the offense would be more productive. Is Allen regressing? Is it the play calling? Honestly, I don't have an answer.  

The offense is played by 100% JAG's or in a couple of positions worse. Talent wise they are a bit better

than last year. At least on paper. Not a single bona fide star among them. It shows..The o-line has yet to develop any continuity or rhythm.

There never seems aside from the occasional drive (earlier in the season)  any cohesion, or taking advantage of an opponents  weakness. Like today going up against the 30th ranked run D. And they don't run. 

The tight end position is still week. The team needs a true #1 receiver. Brown is a very good #2. The RT position is sub par. The LT position is barely adequate. This offense is what it is. Below average especially for a team with a winning record. 

A lot of the problems on offense are very conservative game planning. As for Dabol, and  the "the team needs to execute"

the game plan. well that only holds water for so long.

Eventually all of this falls on the coaching,  and talent acquired. So for the rest of this season this is what we get every Sunday. 

I really wonder if McD has the skill necessary to dominate in the NFL? Next season is his fourth. He needs a lot of work on his gameday skills. He sucks at it right now. 

[Teddy KGB]

3 hours ago, unclepete said:

We play one of the worse run Ds and decide not to run the ball??

 

Brian Daboll, the king of getting cute with the playcalls 

[oldmanfan]

8 minutes ago, Seven-N-Nine said:

If the Bills miss the playoff's, and I am Pegula, I tell Beane to fire McDermott and start a HC search, and Beane has full say on who to hire, no butting in from the owners. I personally would do that no matter what, because even if the Bills sneak into the playoff's with this pitifull schedule, McDermott is showing he can't coach in this modern era of football. It's simply a waste of everyone's time to keep him on as HC.

That’s nice.  It’s not happening and you know it.

[Franco_92]

I don't like the "Team X lost to team Y this weekend, it happens!" when team X always has a track record of regularly beating teams better than any bills opponent in victory over the last two seasons

Like, yes, the Colts lost to the Dolphins...after losing Luck, and THEN Brissett, and beating Houston and KC with Mahomes. Sure, the Saints lost to fall to 7-2, after beating Seattle, Dallas, Houston. Winning playoff games the year before in each team's case. 

 

Like, we looked like ass against Cincy, Miami, barely squeaking out wins, and fall in ugly fashion whenever our opponent is anything better than the dregs of the league 

 

 

[Seven-N-Nine]

4 minutes ago, row_33 said:

real fans know pretenders and frauds

Real fans know when their team is not capable of competing for a championship, which is the only reason the team should be in existence.

[Gray Beard]

When the Bills lose by 3 points, a lot of people complain about accuracy, play calling, field goal kickers, etc.

 

When the Bills win by 3 points, if anybody complains about those things, they’re told to shut up.