Foxx Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 (edited) something that has been bothering me and in the back of my mind for some time now. i am curious do you guys/gals ( @Tiberius, @Bob in Mich, @ALF, @Gary Busey, (@John Adams, @Benjamin Franklin, @BeginnersMind), @Crayola64, @ExiledInIllinois, @transplantbillsfan etc... apologies to anyone i may have missed, 'twas not intended) read the sourced materials/articles here? or do you get your information elsewhere and just assume that anything posted here is mainly partisan hogwash, so you omit it from your information gathering? if it is the latter, do you read/watch/gather sourced material that is outside of your biases? yes, yes i know that twitter is the end of the universe. however, many of them contain links to sourced material. just an honest question, i am curious. TYIA for your responses. Edited October 18, 2019 by Foxx 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbillievable Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 They get their information from weekly server patches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 (edited) It must be hard to read with SO MUCH RAGE!!!!! Edited October 18, 2019 by westside2 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 (edited) I bet they are all nice people in real life though. Most politically insane people are actually pretty nice when they are away from the political table. Edited October 18, 2019 by njbuff 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albwan Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 58 minutes ago, Foxx said: something that has been bothering me and in the back of my mind for some time now. i am curious do you guys/gals ( @Tiberius, @Bob in Mich, @ALF, @Gary Busey, (@John Adams, @Benjamin Franklin, @BeginnersMind), @Crayola64, @ExiledInIllinois, @transplantbillsfan etc... apologies to anyone i may have missed, 'twas not intended) read the sourced materials/articles here? or do you get your information elsewhere and just assume that anything posted here is mainly partisan hogwash, so you omit it from your information gathering? if it is the latter, do you read/watch/gather sourced material that is outside of your biases? yes, yes i know that twitter is the end of the universe. however, many of them contain links to sourced material. just an honest question, i am curious. TYIA for your responses. Its the PPP squad ...which one is the aoc of the bunch 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 1 minute ago, Albwan said: Its the PPP squad ...which one is the aoc of the bunch Bob probably has the biggest teats, so... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 Crayola is a big time lawyer. Don’t tag him, he’s very busy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 Guess I'll be the first of your call-outs to answer and just assume you aren't trolling but are asking a legitimate question you want answered for curiosity's sake. And I'm answering because with all the little quips you've given me over the years, I mostly respect you: So, when I see anyone post "sourced" material that's clearly sourced material, yes I try to read it. I especially did so when I first stated lurking over here. I say try to because I don't spend very much time in this sub-forum. The last couple weeks I was here mainly because it was the bye week and it's always entertaining to come in and see responses when the debates come on. But a lot of the "sourced" material, as you say yourself, is embedded or buried in otherwise clearly partisan bullcrap. I'm not sifting through that crap. I'm what you guys would absolutely call liberal, but I'm not as far left as some of the party is. I'm not the biggest fan of Warren or Sanders, largely because I think they're taking things too far left with their Medicare for All plans. And I will acknowledge that if Warren wins the nomination (I think Sanders is done, even if he hasn't conceded), I will be just a bit less confident in my current bet about the 2020 Presidential Race with @Deranged Rhino. Regardless, yes, I'm left. But I read as much as I can (with as often little time as I have) from both sides. Plenty of Trump supporters in my family, though, including my older sister and her husband and my younger sister's husband. My father-in-law, step-father-in-law, and mother-in-law are all hardcore Trump supporters along with my former brother-in-law, now divorced from my wife's sister. I'm able to have conversations with my sister, all my brother-in-laws and my step-father-in-law about politics. We talk and even will look things up together and have serious, sometimes heated conversations. And I still love all of them. There's a reason I've called this place toxic. It's very much not a place full of much open dialogue, with a handful of great posters that I've referenced in the past. But here's my consistent issue, getting back to your original question: so much of even the "sourced material" provided in this sub-forum is cherry-picked, provided without clear and objective context, which is more middle than the far right this place leans. The problem on all sides in this place is that it's really just about winning rhetorical arguments rather than taking whole picture, overarching looks at some of these issues. Then you have the handful of posters just trolling others and throwing out one-liner insults at others. What's the point? What are you accomplishing? I guess I'd turn the question back on those here, as well. Just the other day in another thread I was having a dialogue with a few others, brought up some facts after researching multiple sources for triangulation's sake in order to verify it, and admittedly didn't post all the links, largely because of the multiple places I went, time, and this just isn't the real world in here and I anticipated pretty much exactly what you're asking in the OP of the posters I was talking to. Plus the information was easily accessible. Once I was accused of not providing sources in an Ad Hominem attack, I provided the most obvious and reliable one as a starting point. But the truth is, I was just being trolled because the jackass poster didn't even address the issue. 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Callahan Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, Foxx said: something that has been bothering me and in the back of my mind for some time now. i am curious do you guys/gals ( @Tiberius, @Bob in Mich, @ALF, @Gary Busey, (@John Adams, @Benjamin Franklin, @BeginnersMind), @Crayola64, @ExiledInIllinois, @transplantbillsfan etc... apologies to anyone i may have missed, 'twas not intended) read the sourced materials/articles here? or do you get your information elsewhere and just assume that anything posted here is mainly partisan hogwash, so you omit it from your information gathering? if it is the latter, do you read/watch/gather sourced material that is outside of your biases? yes, yes i know that twitter is the end of the universe. however, many of them contain links to sourced material. just an honest question, i am curious. TYIA for your responses. i figured they were the same person just paying children's games Edited October 19, 2019 by Chris farley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 55 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said: Crayola is a big time lawyer. Don’t tag him, he’s very busy. Movn' on up, to the 2nd Chair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 8 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said: Guess I'll be the first of your call-outs to answer and just assume you aren't trolling but are asking a legitimate question you want answered for curiosity's sake. And I'm answering because with all the little quips you've given me over the years, I mostly respect you: So, when I see anyone post "sourced" material that's clearly sourced material, yes I try to read it. I especially did so when I first stated lurking over here. I say try to because I don't spend very much time in this sub-forum. The last couple weeks I was here mainly because it was the bye week and it's always entertaining to come in and see responses when the debates come on. But a lot of the "sourced" material, as you say yourself, is embedded or buried in otherwise clearly partisan bullcrap. I'm not sifting through that crap. I'm what you guys would absolutely call liberal, but I'm not as far left as some of the party is. I'm not the biggest fan of Warren or Sanders, largely because I think they're taking things too far left with their Medicare for All plans. And I will acknowledge that if Warren wins the nomination (I think Sanders is done, even if he hasn't conceded), I will be just a bit less confident in my current bet about the 2020 Presidential Race with @Deranged Rhino. Regardless, yes, I'm left. But I read as much as I can (with as often little time as I have) from both sides. Plenty of Trump supporters in my family, though, including my older sister and her husband and my younger sister's husband. My father-in-law, step-father-in-law, and mother-in-law are all hardcore Trump supporters along with my former brother-in-law, now divorced from my wife's sister. I'm able to have conversations with my sister, all my brother-in-laws and my step-father-in-law about politics. We talk and even will look things up together and have serious, sometimes heated conversations. And I still love all of them. There's a reason I've called this place toxic. It's very much not a place full of much open dialogue, with a handful of great posters that I've referenced in the past. But here's my consistent issue, getting back to your original question: so much of even the "sourced material" provided in this sub-forum is cherry-picked, provided without clear and objective context, which is more middle than the far right this place leans. The problem on all sides in this place is that it's really just about winning rhetorical arguments rather than taking whole picture, overarching looks at some of these issues. Then you have the handful of posters just trolling others and throwing out one-liner insults at others. What's the point? What are you accomplishing? I guess I'd turn the question back on those here, as well. Just the other day in another thread I was having a dialogue with a few others, brought up some facts after researching multiple sources for triangulation's sake in order to verify it, and admittedly didn't post all the links, largely because of the multiple places I went, time, and this just isn't the real world in here and I anticipated pretty much exactly what you're asking in the OP of the posters I was talking to. Plus the information was easily accessible. Once I was accused of not providing sources in an Ad Hominem attack, I provided the most obvious and reliable one as a starting point. But the truth is, I was just being trolled because the jackass poster didn't even address the issue. You still don't get it do you? Don't try to post factual type things here without a link. All you ever did was move the goalposts and declare yourself the winner. I suggest that you leave this "toxic" place and fvck off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 My question to them is, do you eat s ***** t for breakfast every morning, or just vomit it out every day by your own perverse “natural” systemic functioning? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Joshin' Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 2 hours ago, Foxx said: something that has been bothering me and in the back of my mind for some time now. i am curious do you guys/gals ( @Tiberius, @Bob in Mich, @ALF, @Gary Busey, (@John Adams, @Benjamin Franklin, @BeginnersMind), @Crayola64, @ExiledInIllinois, @transplantbillsfan etc... apologies to anyone i may have missed, 'twas not intended) read the sourced materials/articles here? or do you get your information elsewhere and just assume that anything posted here is mainly partisan hogwash, so you omit it from your information gathering? if it is the latter, do you read/watch/gather sourced material that is outside of your biases? yes, yes i know that twitter is the end of the universe. however, many of them contain links to sourced material. just an honest question, i am curious. TYIA for your responses. Thanks. I missed a few for my ignore list. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Q-baby! Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 17 minutes ago, Just Joshin' said: Thanks. I missed a few for my ignore list. Awesome! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulus Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 4chan. They get their news from 4chan. I mean, reddit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, 3rdnlng said: You still don't get it do you? Don't try to post factual type things here without a link. All you ever did was move the goalposts and declare yourself the winner. I suggest that you leave this "toxic" place and fvck off. I suggest you learn to research the easy-to-find pretty common knowledge stuff on the Internet. I never moved the goalposts. My argument was consistent and I then even provided you with one of the EASY TO FIND AND OBVIOUS LINKS to support it and you just went on with your jackass trollin self. As far as not providing a link initially. Sorry, one isn't required to cite a source when it's common knowledge. And frankly, what I was arguing was pretty common knowledge if you weren't so damn blind red. Unfortunately in Trump's world of alternative facts common knowledge isn't even common knowledge to some of you, which forces some of us to triangulate and confirm things that are pretty obvious and widely known. And down the rabbit hole it takes you. Edited October 19, 2019 by transplantbillsfan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 I see none of the others called out in the OP have decided to partake in this thread, which is just turning into the troll-fest I expected it would be... can't say I blame them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 How can you be a teacher when you don't read, comprehend or learn anything? This started with someone posting the four democrats with the leading donations in the last month. I stated that Trump beat the four of them combined. You then went on a mission to change the parameters and prove me wrong based on your new contention. You continued to voice opinions to other posters without providing links. I told you that you needed to provide links and you told me to find them myself and eventually you provided a link to information that had nothing to do with the original premise. So, this all makes you an idiot, not worthy of receiving my attention. 4 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said: I see none of the others called out in the OP have decided to partake in this thread, which is just turning into the troll-fest I expected it would be... can't say I blame them Gee, do all your threads turn into troll fests? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, 3rdnlng said: How can you be a teacher when you don't read, comprehend or learn anything? This started with someone posting the four democrats with the leading donations in the last month. I stated that Trump beat the four of them combined. You then went on a mission to change the parameters and prove me wrong based on your new contention. You continued to voice opinions to other posters without providing links. I told you that you needed to provide links and you told me to find them myself and eventually you provided a link to information that had nothing to do with the original premise. So, this all makes you an idiot, not worthy of receiving my attention. And yet you continue to give me that attention, anyway. Hell, you followed me into this thread and have at this point already derailed what I believe was a well-intentioned question to "the other side." So congrats on that. The broader conversation was CLEARLY about "how much more enthusiastic Trump voters are as another example for why he wins!!!" And you jumped in with your statement about the top 4 candidates fundraising not even being in the same ball park as though it was a confirmation of less Democratic enthusiasm--and it would be absolutely disingenuous of you to say that you didn't mean that--except that argument entirely misses the mark in a field of 20 something Democrats. That was pretty clearly what I was disputing. And then in a pitiful effort to deflect, you claim I need to link the pretty obvious stuff I just brought up. So, this all just makes you intellectually dishonest, as another poster would put it. I won't call you the name you called me, clearly you're just projecting. Edited October 19, 2019 by transplantbillsfan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Gal Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said: I see none of the others called out in the OP have decided to partake in this thread, which is just turning into the troll-fest I expected it would be... can't say I blame them I don't think Tibs is paid to work on weekends. He'll get to the thread once OT is approved. Edited October 19, 2019 by Buffalo_Gal 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 (edited) My question would be............ If the Bills win the SB, will we all be nice to one another no matter their political beliefs?? Cause if they do win the SB, I’d be so sky high I wouldn’t care if you supported Bill Lumbergh from Office Space for fvck sakes. ? Edited October 19, 2019 by njbuff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, njbuff said: My question would be............ If the Bills win the SB, will we all be nice to one another no matter their political beliefs?? Cause if they do win the SB, I’d be so sky high I wouldn’t care if you supported Bill Lumbergh from Office Space for fvck sakes. ? Not remotely a problem for me. Along with much of my family being Trump supporters, I watch football every Sunday morning at a bar here in Hawaii with another diehard Bills fan who's also an avid Trump guy. Wife and I have gotten together multiple times with him and his wife. When the Bills made it in the playoffs due to the Tyler Boyd TD, he and I screamed and ran around the bar like lunatics... jumping and hugging. I don't have a problem with real people I know who voted for Trump and still like him. I have issues with Internet message board Trump supporters who hide behind their computers, puff out their chests and pretend they know everything. And even those guys that I know are Bills fans I can easily separate and compartmentalize politics from sports. Edited October 19, 2019 by transplantbillsfan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 13 hours ago, westside2 said: It must be hard to read with SO MUCH RAGE!!!!! Get over it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 13 hours ago, Foxx said: something that has been bothering me and in the back of my mind for some time now. i am curious do you guys/gals ( @Tiberius, @Bob in Mich, @ALF, @Gary Busey, (@John Adams, @Benjamin Franklin, @BeginnersMind), @Crayola64, @ExiledInIllinois, @transplantbillsfan etc... apologies to anyone i may have missed, 'twas not intended) read the sourced materials/articles here? or do you get your information elsewhere and just assume that anything posted here is mainly partisan hogwash, so you omit it from your information gathering? if it is the latter, do you read/watch/gather sourced material that is outside of your biases? yes, yes i know that twitter is the end of the universe. however, many of them contain links to sourced material. just an honest question, i am curious. TYIA for your responses. I get my news from the Dark Web. You know. When it's dark out. LoL... I am set in my ways. I have been a Liberal, progressive my whole life. I am a New Deal Democrat if that's even possible in 2019. Plain and simply. I am pretty conservative in my personal life... You know, guns, God, & Bible... YET always break left... Because people who force that conservative ***** on people are azzholes. I guess it's the way we are all "hardwired"... I just don't sweat the little things like life, money, love, family, etc... Enlightenment is non-attachment. Too many people are way too attached. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted October 19, 2019 Author Share Posted October 19, 2019 9 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said: I see none of the others called out in the OP have decided to partake in this thread, which is just turning into the troll-fest I expected it would be... can't say I blame them well, it is a Friday night headed into the weekend. thank you for your honest replies to the thread, much appreciated. i will have a reply later, not much time atm due to other obligations both online and off. 8 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said: ... Hell, you followed me into this thread and have at this point already derailed what I believe was a well-intentioned question to "the other side." So congrats on that.... It was and is an honest question. i do hope that this thread does not become an attack thread in it's overall demeanor, that is not the desired focus. however, if it keeps going in a direction i do not like, i may have to delete it. i kid, i kid.... 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 1 hour ago, Foxx said: well, it is a Friday night headed into the weekend. thank you for your honest replies to the thread, much appreciated. i will have a reply later, not much time atm due to other obligations both online and off. It was and is an honest question. i do hope that this thread does not become an attack thread in it's overall demeanor, that is not the desired focus. however, if it keeps going in a direction i do not like, i may have to delete it. i kid, i kid.... Just accept that there are two vastly different kinds of people in this country. Don't delete it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 2 hours ago, ExiledInIllinois said: Get over it. Lol, says the guy who can't get over the fact there was no russian collusion with Trump. You're still pissed off over it. Lol 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albwan Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 24 minutes ago, ExiledInIllinois said: Just accept that there are two vastly different kinds of people in this country. Don't delete it. Ya the first kind hate Trump so much, they convict and demand imprisonment of him before any facts have come out, the second kind wants to wait for evidence to come out and then have a trial, you know, the American way. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Joe Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 1 hour ago, Foxx said: well, it is a Friday night headed into the weekend. thank you for your honest replies to the thread, much appreciated. i will have a reply later, not much time atm due to other obligations both online and off. It was and is an honest question. i do hope that this thread does not become an attack thread in it's overall demeanor, that is not the desired focus. however, if it keeps going in a direction i do not like, i may have to delete it. i kid, i kid.... 30 minutes ago, ExiledInIllinois said: Just accept that there are two vastly different kinds of people in this country. Don't delete it. Sometimes you need to read the fine print... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 4 minutes ago, westside2 said: Lol, says the guy who can't get over the fact there was no russian collusion with Trump. You're still pissed off over it. Lol Look Westie... I like you... Don't project onto to others. I don't get mad at anything life throws at me. I wish you the best... Find your way. /peace... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Q-baby! Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Albwan said: Ya the first kind hate Trump so much, they convict and demand imprisonment of him before any facts have come out, the second kind wants to wait for evidence to come out and then have a trial, you know, the American way. BS! The second kind turns a blind eye to anything Trump does that is questionable. Plenty of facts have come out over the years to know that he’s a scumbag. But, so are many of his followers. Edited October 19, 2019 by Q-baby! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Albwan said: Ya the first kind hate Hillary so much, they convict and demand imprisonment of her before any facts have come out, the second kind wants to wait for evidence to come out and then have a trial, you know, the American way. I thought I'd fix. Lock her up. That's all Kasich is saying... Edited October 19, 2019 by ExiledInIllinois 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob in Mich Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 (edited) With respect to the original question as to whether I follow the links posted here in PPP threads, I guess I would say it depends on who is posting. After years one learns who may have something interesting, who is trolling, who posts only super partisan crap (i.e. B-Man), who posts just plain crap (i.e. DR), and what is the source. If I see Breitbart for instance or B-Man, or DR, the likelihood of reading much, if any of the article, is slim. I also avoid twitter. If I am not sure I may hit the link but I will look for other stories on the site first. If they seem reasonable I will read the original story but if the last story was something like Hillary's Pizzeria Menu, I am leaving without reading. Hope that helps. Edit: As far as news sources, yes I do try to force myself to watch Fox at times. The opinion folks are enough to make me spit up a little. Ya know that really sour stomach acid they disgusts all of us? Like that. Edited October 19, 2019 by Bob in Mich 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 (edited) I read the Washington Post, watch tv a little and look at whatever government documents (Mueller report, whistleblower report, White House statements, etc.) I follow a few people on Twitter like Jennifer Rubin and George Conway and I obviously listen to you Trump supporters here. And I just want to say hi to @westside oops, @westside2 50 minutes ago, westside2 said: Lol, says the guy who can't get over the fact there was no russian collusion with Trump. You're still pissed off over it. Lol Well, Putin is a murderous thug who has our presidents ear for some reason. The truth is already out there, why won’t you accept the obvious? Are you hoping Putin gets to go to the G7? It really is important that terrorist goes, isn’t it? Edited October 19, 2019 by Tiberius Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Gal Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 Congratulations on the overtime, Tibs!! ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 I gotta run to the laundry now! People need their clean clothes 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 3 minutes ago, Tiberius said: I gotta run to the laundry now! People need their clean clothes ...LMAO...THE master of "rinse and repeat"...SMH................ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snafu Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 16 hours ago, Foxx said: yes, yes i know that twitter is the end of the universe. however, many of them contain links to sourced material. just an honest question, i am curious. I’m no lib and certainly don’t support the Progressives, so I know your question isn’t directed toward me. I just wanted to chime in and say that I hate Twitter “threads” where someone on twitter posts what is essentially a blog entry that’s broken into sets of 280 characters. I realize completely that this is really just a matter of me complaining about how a tweet is formatted, but it sucks. I try to get the gist and then get out. I do certainly click on the sourced materials that people link in tweets. As for news, everything seems to be partisan — on right and left. I only really try to cull out the facts and quotes, not how those things are “explained” — though one can learn a lot from the explanations. There are un-subtle trends, spin, and repetitive messages in articles from both ends of an issue. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 1 hour ago, Albwan said: Ya the first kind hate Trump so much, they convict and demand imprisonment of him before any facts have come out, the second kind wants to wait for evidence to come out and then have a trial, you know, the American way. ...that would be a DAILY occurrence in Illinois........bet if you Google "corruption", it says "see Illinois"......... Vincent Caruso- Vincent is a writer for the Illinois Policy Institute Chicagoland and northern Illinois have seen more corrupt public officials put behind bars than any other part of the nation, a new analysis found. The Second City and surrounding area is second to none when it comes to public corruption, a recent study found. There have been 1,731 federal corruption convictions since 1976 in the U.S. court district covering Chicago and the northernmost third of Illinois, according to a new analysis by the University of Illinois, Chicago. That’s more than any other district in the nation. The study compiled U.S. Department of Justice, or DOJ, corruption statistics from between 1976 and 2017, the most recent year available. Data for 2017 show 25 corruption convictions in the Chicago area, down from 30 the previous year. Corruption in Chicago has trended slowly downward, the study notes, but nevertheless continues to lead the nation in federal convictions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albwan Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 52 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said: Congratulations on the overtime, Tibs!! ? Soros pays him and his 6 alts a nickel per post 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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