Kirby Jackson Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 There are a bunch of threads out there on specific players that are “available.” It seems to make sense to consolidate some of those with the deadline approaching and some big deals already occurring. If you could make 1 trade for the Bills at this point what would it be? Give the actual realistic parameters of the deal as well. I will go first and it may be controversial: a 2nd and Cody Ford to Washington for Trent Williams. Ford is still a young player but doesn’t look to me like he will ever be a tackle. Williams gives the Bills book ends and a really good OL. Washington takes the pick plus the young OL as part of their rebuild. He can instantly replace Flowers and give them something to work with. What deals are you guys making? 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tisker A Tasker Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 Realistic? From this crew? 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted October 16, 2019 Author Share Posted October 16, 2019 1 minute ago, Tisker A Tasker said: Realistic? From this crew? That’s why it’s in CAPS lol. It would be a waste of everyone’s time if someone came here and said “I’d give a future 7th for Julio” and then 26 people call him an idiot. Let’s try to have a real discussion. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 That’s realistic Kirb?? There is zero chance McBeane trades Ford halfway into his rookie season. I’d trade a 4th to Atlanta for Austin Hooper. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HiddenInLight Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 For Williams, I don't think I would do a 2nd unless we've spoken to him and know hes in game shape and willing to actually show up. Also, Ford + a 2nd is way too much. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted October 16, 2019 Author Share Posted October 16, 2019 Just now, Coach Tuesday said: That’s realistic Kirb?? There is zero chance McBeane trades Ford halfway into his rookie season. I’d trade a 4th to Atlanta for Austin Hooper. I guess realistic from a “reasonable compensation” standpoint. That’s a fair criticism because it isn’t likely. I like Hooper quite a bit. I like OJ Howard at the right price too. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPar_v2 Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 I honestly don’t think there’s a “realistic” move to be made that significantly helps the team. Maybe Trent Williams, if Washington completely reverses course and comes to their senses. I would not give up Ford though. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 8 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: There are a bunch of threads out there on specific players that are “available.” It seems to make sense to consolidate some of those with the deadline approaching and some big deals already occurring. If you could make 1 trade for the Bills at this point what would it be? Give the actual realistic parameters of the deal as well. I will go first and it may be controversial: a 2nd and Cody Ford to Washington for Trent Williams. Ford is still a young player but doesn’t look to me like he will ever be a tackle. Williams gives the Bills book ends and a really good OL. Washington takes the pick plus the young OL as part of their rebuild. He can instantly replace Flowers and give them something to work with. What deals are you guys making? This is implied and you do it here, but I'd just like to add - part of the realism is to indicate how a roster spot is cleared. Do we cut someone else? Make a 2nd trade to move them elsewhere for a pick? Etc 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCofNC Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 I'd drop a first for Williams, he could be the difference between a lot of wins and losses. Allen has been under pressure a lot of the edge and frankly, thats when the stupid button gets pushed. I think Williams could stop a lot of that. You get 5 years from a first rounder, if they work out and then its big money time. We have seen plenty that don't work out, I'd take 4-5 years of a proven stud at this point. I'd also try to get OBJ if he really is on the table, you are going to have to pay for him, but again a first and probably a 4th would be worth it for pretty much everything I said above except now you have an elite weapon. The fact Clowney isnt wearing a Bills uniform right now tells me all of this is not realistic as that was the trade that should have been made. 1 minute ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: This is implied and you do it here, but I'd just like to add - part of the realism is to indicate how a roster spot is cleared. Do we cut someone else? Make a 2nd trade to move them elsewhere for a pick? Etc This team could be improved a lot, picking which of the guys who sits inactive on Sundays to cut isn't that big of a thing if you are getting real talent. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RochesterRob Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 10 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: There are a bunch of threads out there on specific players that are “available.” It seems to make sense to consolidate some of those with the deadline approaching and some big deals already occurring. If you could make 1 trade for the Bills at this point what would it be? Give the actual realistic parameters of the deal as well. I will go first and it may be controversial: a 2nd and Cody Ford to Washington for Trent Williams. Ford is still a young player but doesn’t look to me like he will ever be a tackle. Williams gives the Bills book ends and a really good OL. Washington takes the pick plus the young OL as part of their rebuild. He can instantly replace Flowers and give them something to work with. What deals are you guys making? Ford and a pick for Williams is not realistic in my mind. Feliciano and Spain are going to need money the next off season and only one will get it because Ford is playing on cheap money for the next few years. I doubt that any of this is lost on Beane. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whorlnut Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 6 minutes ago, RochesterRob said: Ford and a pick for Williams is not realistic in my mind. Feliciano and Spain are going to need money the next off season and only one will get it because Ford is playing on cheap money for the next few years. I doubt that any of this is lost on Beane. My gut tells me they let Spain walk. He’s on a one year deal and I’ll bet they try moving Ford to LG. Feliciano will need a raise though. 7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsVet Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 Buffalo trades a 3rd and perhaps 5th for a WR with contract term in 2020. Or, perhaps a 4th for a receiver who is a rental in 2019. Not going to get hopes up on AJ Green, but there are others The NFL trade deadline continues emerging as a method to build teams. If Buffalo can make a deal in 2017, surely they can do something similar in 2019. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 diggs or green would be big at WR. Any starter OT would work, i don't know who else could be out there besides Williams. depending on their hammies, maybe OLB or RB would make sense, but i don't think that's reasonable and im guessing they will heal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 (edited) I'd like to see them trade the train horn back to the stampeding buffaloes It could happen... Edited October 16, 2019 by The Wiz 4 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 21 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: There are a bunch of threads out there on specific players that are “available.” It seems to make sense to consolidate some of those with the deadline approaching and some big deals already occurring. If you could make 1 trade for the Bills at this point what would it be? Give the actual realistic parameters of the deal as well. I will go first and it may be controversial: a 2nd and Cody Ford to Washington for Trent Williams. Ford is still a young player but doesn’t look to me like he will ever be a tackle. Williams gives the Bills book ends and a really good OL. Washington takes the pick plus the young OL as part of their rebuild. He can instantly replace Flowers and give them something to work with. What deals are you guys making? I don't think Beane trades Ford this early. If he doesn't work out at tackle, I could see them putting him at LG replacing Spain. Spain is on a one year contract and I think he could get decent money as an UFA this coming offseason. Would love to keep him but we can't keep everyone with big contracts coming up in a year or two. I think realistically....Emmanuel Sanders for a 4th. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenorthremembers Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 I would trade a 3rd, at the highest a 2nd for A.J. Green. Not like they've been making a lot out of 2nd round picks as of late, nothing ventured nothing gained. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LB3 Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 (edited) 1st and a 4th for Mike Evans when the Bucs realize Winston ain't the guy and decide to rebuild. Edited October 16, 2019 by LBSeeBallLBGetBall 9 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted October 16, 2019 Author Share Posted October 16, 2019 1 minute ago, LBSeeBallLBGetBall said: 1st and a 4th for Mike Evans when the Bucs realize Winston ain't the guy and decide to rebuild. Like this 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffswagger017 Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 Mike Evans yes, 1st and 4th maybe a 6th Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshAllenHasBigHands Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 It is hard to get excited about in-season trades. It usually takes guys a full off season to make a contribution in the new system. For example, look at our defense. They are where they are because they have been together for multiple years. Bringing in a new guy just isn't going to change the trajectory of the offense. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 25 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said: That’s realistic Kirb?? There is zero chance McBeane trades Ford halfway into his rookie season. I’d trade a 4th to Atlanta for Austin Hooper. A 4th for the most productive TE in the game? What’s the strategy for the Falcons there? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsMafia13 Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 (edited) Trent Williams has been to 7 straight pro bowls, 2 years left (?) on his contract id give up a 1st for him. OJ Howard id give a second for, I think he could be a Jerry Hughes of the offense kinda trade. I dont like trades but whatever they can do to help JA grow im all in for. Dont think a WR will make nerly as big an impact Edited October 16, 2019 by BillsMafia13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TroutDog Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 (edited) A couple things: 1. I hope they don’t give up any draft picks: they’re doing it right and I hope they stay the course. 2. I don’t get the AJ Green love around here. I just don’t get it as he’s at the end of his shelf life and hasn’t even played this year. Give up a draft pick for that? With that being said, Evans is intriguing. Edited October 16, 2019 by TroutDog 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 What does it take to get Von Miller? A second round pick in 2019 and 2020 as well as Lawson? VM would take over for Lorenzo Alexander. VM contract runs through 2022. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 41 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said: That’s realistic Kirb?? There is zero chance McBeane trades Ford halfway into his rookie season. I’d trade a 4th to Atlanta for Austin Hooper. That's realistic, Coach Tuesday? Atlanta drafted him in the 3rd, he went to the Probowl last year, and he's hauling in 80 YPG this year. He's one of the few things on their roster that's working. What exactly is Atlanta's motivation for taking a 4th for him? Also, who do we trade or release to make room? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 4 minutes ago, BringBackOrton said: A 4th for the most productive TE in the game? What’s the strategy for the Falcons there? IF you know anything about the Falcons you know there is zero chance he gets traded during the season. Now if Arthur decides to blow it up and fire everyone after the season, who knows what the new GM will do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
US Egg Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 49 minutes ago, Tisker A Tasker said: Realistic? Sounds like a trick question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 2 minutes ago, atlbillsfan1975 said: IF you know anything about the Falcons you know there is zero chance he gets traded during the season. Now if Arthur decides to blow it up and fire everyone after the season, who knows what the new GM will do. they can’t blow it up. How do they walk away from a Ryan and Julio now? If they can’t, why would they get rid of their third best player for a 4th round pick which will do nothing for them? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 20 minutes ago, LBSeeBallLBGetBall said: 1st and a 4th for Mike Evans when the Bucs realize Winston ain't the guy and decide to rebuild. TSW if this were to happen............... 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollars 2 donuts Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 31 minutes ago, LBSeeBallLBGetBall said: 1st and a 4th for Mike Evans when the Bucs realize Winston ain't the guy and decide to rebuild. 30 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: Like this Not gonna lie..."it" moved a little when I read LB's post. ...and only a little bit because that is where I am at nowadays. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Papa Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 This team is heading in the right direction, no doubt about that but when will the team and schedule line up as beautifully as it has this year? I personally believe Beane should go all in this year and by that I mean see if the absolutely terrible Falcons would take our 1st rounder for the next 2 years and a 4th in 2020 for Julio Jones. I know everyone will say the Falcons will never do that but they need to do something and with Calvin Ridley already on the roster why wouldn't they? Finally, JA needs a big athletic receiver with a large catch radius to help his development. John Brown and Cole Beasley are great but he has no room for error with his accuracy to those guys because of their size. Go get Julio and make a run at it this year with this defense. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 14 minutes ago, TroutDog said: A couple things: 1. I hope they don’t give up any draft picks: they’re doing it right and I hope they stay the course. 2. I don’t get the AJ Green love around here. I just don’t get it as he’s at the end of his shelf life and hasn’t even played this year. Give up a draft pick for that? With that being said, Evans is intriguing. I'm with you on being mystified, but even some of our media guys are on board with the Green love. AJ Green is a great wide receiver, but he's struggled with injury, he's coming back from torn ligaments, and he just suited up and did "light working out and stretching" less than a week ago. Ligament repair at least used to require immobility (where's @Mr. WEO?) to allow the ligaments to reattach, and that means significant need to work back into "game shape". And this is his final year under contract. The Bengals say they aren't going to trade him (didn't the Jaguars say that about Ramsey?) but that probably means they will for the right asking price. Cross their palm with firsts, and he's yours. I don't think it's the right move for us to give up a first and more for maybe a 6-8 game rental on a guy coming back from debilitating injury. I think it's a "desperation move", a move for a team that was expected to contend for the championship, has a window that's closing, and that feels they're a WR away from getting it done. I also don't see the Bills as a WR from getting it done. Would a WR on the caliber of a healthy AJ Green make a significant difference for us, sure. But the Bills are ultimatey going to Ride or Die on what's between Josh Allen's ears this season. If he "takes care of the football" and "takes what the defense gives him", we can win with what we have. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seasons1992 Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 30 minutes ago, LBSeeBallLBGetBall said: 1st and a 4th for Mike Evans when the Bucs realize Winston ain't the guy and decide to rebuild. Beat me to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 22 minutes ago, BringBackOrton said: A 4th for the most productive TE in the game? What’s the strategy for the Falcons there? Highest salary structure in the NFL I believe, and they’re about to rebuild under a new coaching staff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 59 minutes ago, DCofNC said: I'd drop a first for Williams, he could be the difference between a lot of wins and losses. Allen has been under pressure a lot of the edge and frankly, thats when the stupid button gets pushed. I think Williams could stop a lot of that. You get 5 years from a first rounder, if they work out and then its big money time. We have seen plenty that don't work out, I'd take 4-5 years of a proven stud at this point. I'd also try to get OBJ if he really is on the table, you are going to have to pay for him, but again a first and probably a 4th would be worth it for pretty much everything I said above except now you have an elite weapon. The fact Clowney isnt wearing a Bills uniform right now tells me all of this is not realistic as that was the trade that should have been made. This team could be improved a lot, picking which of the guys who sits inactive on Sundays to cut isn't that big of a thing if you are getting real talent. Then it shouldn't be a problem for the person proposing the trade to do so, no? If we "run this thing" this year, good depth will be one reason we make it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 Shaq Lawson for Vic Beasley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 18 minutes ago, atlbillsfan1975 said: IF you know anything about the Falcons you know there is zero chance he gets traded during the season. Now if Arthur decides to blow it up and fire everyone after the season, who knows what the new GM will do. Again - they have the highest payroll in the league and Blank is about to depart from his MO and fire his coach (and possibly his GM) mid-season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 1 minute ago, Coach Tuesday said: Highest salary structure in the NFL I believe, and they’re about to rebuild under a new coaching staff. But their current staff has professional pride and is going to go down fighting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 Just now, Hapless Bills Fan said: But their current staff has professional pride and is going to go down fighting. Their current staff is going to be unemployed before the trade deadline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 At this point, how is Trent Williams value more than just a straight up second? I don’t see that. I also definitely don’t see us trading Ford, and I think the staff likes the line as is. We’re 6 weeks into having an 80% turnover with a new OL coach. I think we’ll be fine. Realistic trade for me- 2nd Rd to Jags for Yannick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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