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9 hours ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

This. Tannehill's worse, and a lot of the problem with Mariota is really a problem with the OL and the surrounding talent.

It wouldn’t surprise me if Vrabel made this switch partly because Tannehill for whatever reason has had some success against the Chargers. I think a lot of Mariota’s problem was he was playing way too conservatively, along with his O line. He has decent receivers and a good RB1. But that O line is quite bad and Vrabel isn’t exactly a top notch HC

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3 minutes ago, buffalo2218 said:

It wouldn’t surprise me if Vrabel made this switch partly because Tannehill for whatever reason has had some success against the Chargers. I think a lot of Mariota’s problem was he was playing way too conservatively, along with his O line. He has decent receivers and a good RB1. But that O line is quite bad and Vrabel isn’t exactly a top notch HC

 

Quinton Spain > Roger Saffold.

 

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9 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

tieing threads together, but the Duke Williams quote in Wawrow's article seems a propos:

" "You can never take anything for granted because as soon as you do, that's how fast it can be taken away," Williams said. "It was all fun and games last week, but it's a business now, you know."

 

Tannehill, to me, falls into the class of "capable NFL QB" - guys who can play well enough to win if they've got a team around him, but who are never ever ever going to be mistaken for Russ Wilson, Drew Brees or Tom Brady.  But then - how many drafted QB ever do get mistaken for Wilson, Rodgers, Brees, or Brady?

 

Mariota was drafted with a lot of fanfare.  I'm not persuaded he ever has had a quality OC or QB coach - Jason Michael?  - but his play has fallen off for the last two seasons under Matt LeFleur and now Arthur Smith, so the writing's been on the wall.  See Duke quote above.

 

 

Even when these guys were drafted they weren’t mistaken for those types of QBs. 3rd round, 24th overall, second round and traded away, 6th round... respectively 

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but but but Mariota only has 2 interceptions...  I thought that was the important thing? 

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13 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

If you want to make a QB change to a guy who might suck even more than the predecessor, you should always do it vs the Chargers. 😳

 

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Vrabel always seemed like an odd choice for a HC. What exactly has he done to earn that role? 

 

He doesnt seem especially innovative or super motivating. What was the appeal?

 

Mariota has always been...ok. I always expected him to play better and he just never did. Hes had a ton of OCs which didn't help but he is super conservative. Gotta take chances in this league

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I always thought his name is Tallywhacker. 

Doesn't he have a hot wife?  That could be a factor. 

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12 hours ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

This. Tannehill's worse, and a lot of the problem with Mariota is really a problem with the OL and the surrounding talent.

The reality is if you don’t have a good O line you won’t have a really good QB, this has played out hundreds of times in the NFL, and yes i’m Gonna say it;  the game is won and lost in the trenches... 😁

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20 minutes ago, dakrider said:

but but but Mariota only has 2 interceptions...  I thought that was the important thing? 

 

Oh Behave.  You did not either.

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9 minutes ago, Captain Hindsight said:

Vrabel always seemed like an odd choice for a HC. What exactly has he done to earn that role? 

 

He doesnt seem especially innovative or super motivating. What was the appeal?

 

Mariota has always been...ok. I always expected him to play better and he just never did. Hes had a ton of OCs which didn't help but he is super conservative. Gotta take chances in this league

 

The Belicheat Tree 

 

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14 minutes ago, Gray Beard said:

I always thought his name is Tallywhacker. 

Doesn't he have a hot wife?  That could be a factor. 

 

People use it as a pejorative now but Back in Da Day, we had a group of fans called the "Talley Whackers".  They were cheering for Spiderman.

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22 minutes ago, dakrider said:

but but but Mariota only has 2 interceptions...  I thought that was the important thing? 

 

Don't be silly. Everyone knows the important thing is 300-yard games.

 

Mariota has eight of them. 

 

Championship!

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25 minutes ago, IDBillzFan said:

Don't be silly. Everyone knows the important thing is 300-yard games.

Mariota has eight of them. 

Championship!

 

Indeed.

 

Going back 10 years Superbowls, I would say two key strategies have emerged at the QB position:

1) have a great QB who will win if you give him at least a mid-pack D and some key offensive pieces (Peyton Manning, Drew Brees, Aaron Rodgers, Tom Brady, Russ Wilson, Matt Ryan)

2) have a decent NFL-quality starting QB you coach up and scheme for to maximize his results (Jared Goff, Eli Manning, Joe Flacco, Nick Foles, Colin Kaepernick/Alex Smith, I'm gonna say it: Ben Roethlisberger, Cam Newton), who can win if you give him a top-notch D and a great OL.

 

Great QB are hard to find, thus the attraction of Strategy 2).  The problem arises if a team has a 2)-type QB but thinks they have 1) and strategizes for that. 

Of course, it complicates things that some guys (Brady, Wilson) started out as 2) but developed into 1) and some guys build an early reputation as 1) but may turn into 2) as they age (Newton, Roethlisberger)

 

Anyway, from the day he was drafted, Mariota was never on track to be a great QB.  But those guys are a challenge to find.  Mariota can be a decent NFL-quality QB in the right scheme with the right pieces around him.  But that's not where he is.  The Titans offense last year with LeFleur was a step down (IMO) but it did keep opposing teams off balance.   They weren't a top-scoring team but they got the job done.

I admit I have not watched every Titans game, but from what I have seen I would say that Vrabel is a D-minded coach who leaves his offense to the OC, and that Arthur Smith as OC reminds me of Rob Boras as OC with the Rams - a guy who as OC was way over his head at that time.   When a guy works with two QB who look like absolute trash, and 1-2 years later are playing each other for the NFC Championship (one goes on to win the SB), what else can ya say?  One man's Trash is a different man's Treasure perhaps.  [Boras has returned to being a TE coach and is now with the Bills as such, so I wish him every success in that role.]

 

 

 

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1 minute ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

The problem arises if a team has a 2)-type QB but thinks they have 1) and strategizes for that. 

 

Scott Pioli last week was commenting that one of the reasons for the Pats* success, beyond cheating, is that Bellicheck* respects and accepts the truth that some seasons you need to lean on your D and some seasons you need to lean on your O. This year they are clearly leaning on their D, and they embrace that as Brady* struggles under center with some really bad games, including the one vs. the Bills.

 

I'm not sure Vrabel gets that, Mariota is too inconsistent for him to rely on the O at any time. His success demands a successful run game to set up play-action. No run game? No play-action. No play-action? No Mariota under center.

 

Tannehill will  be no better behind that line, which is Vrabel's other mistake...thinking a QB change will help. I think Tannehill was sacked 37 times on Sunday. Mariota is not his primary problem.

 

 

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4 minutes ago, IDBillzFan said:

 

Scott Pioli last week was commenting that one of the reasons for the Pats* success, beyond cheating, is that Bellicheck* respects and accepts the truth that some seasons you need to lean on your D and some seasons you need to lean on your O. This year they are clearly leaning on their D, and they embrace that as Brady* struggles under center with some really bad games, including the one vs. the Bills.

 

I'm not sure Vrabel gets that, Mariota is too inconsistent for him to rely on the O at any time. His success demands a successful run game to set up play-action. No run game? No play-action. No play-action? No Mariota under center.

 

Tannehill will  be no better behind that line, which is Vrabel's other mistake...thinking a QB change will help. I think Tannehill was sacked 37 times on Sunday. Mariota is not his primary problem.

 

Oh, hey.  Only 4x, but he lost 35 yards on 'em.

 

Tannehill may be a better QB for whatever it is that Smith (OC) is trying to do there, but I agree with you: QB is not the problem, and Statue of Tannehill isn't the answer.  I could be wrong, of course; both could surprise me.

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Add another QB to the trail of crushed careers in the Buffalo Bills wake..,

 

isn’t that three kickers and two QBs in just five game? 

 

Go Bills!!!

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On 10/15/2019 at 9:21 PM, YoloinOhio said:

 

well that should fix everything 

It actually did kind of fix a lot

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I didn't realize quite how bad Mariota was and I honestly never expected Tannehill to be an upgrade.  It definitely worked out for them.

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