Post Game Thread Bills vs Pats*

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

1 minute ago, LabattBlue said:

Yeah...if you hold the ball long enough you’re OL looks like crap and in turn you make bad throws off your back foot. 

 

There were plenty of drop backs where he could thrown without any pressure. Instead hold the ball for more than 3 seconds and you’re going to be in trouble.  

 

Really? And how were those receivers at the 3 second mark? From what I saw, not a lot of open space out there.

 

 

[vincec]

5 minutes ago, WhickedWilliams said:

If Allen isn’t knocked out w/ dirty hit, we win this game. Barkley looked confused by the pats defense.

Barkley made some nice plays at the end but I would have liked to see Allen as well. Just to see how he reacted to the situation.

[Ralonzo]

2 hours ago, Success said:

I suppose I should feel like you, but I feel like I need therapy. There isn't a happy cell in my body right now.  New England has ruined this game for me.

 

So tired of these "moral victories."  I just want to beat that team. I want that team in the past.

 

The Patriots****** win because they're willing to do what other teams won't do (because there are rules)

[Bevis]

48 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said:

 

After 16 games, eh?

 

You must be nostradamus.

 

Good players are good, yes even after just 16 games.

[LabattBlue]

2 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said:

 

Really? And how were those receivers at the 3 second mark? From what I saw, not a lot of open space out there.

 

 

So now it’s the receivers fault and not the OL?

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

Just now, LabattBlue said:

So now it’s the receivers fault and not the OL?

 

By no means, sir! It was a COMPLETE offensive failure.

 

QB included.

 

But unlike some of the jokers around these parts, I have a bit of perspective. I mean, you have a guy here calling for MATT BARKLEY to start.

 

Yeah, no thanks.

 

[Bagwell358]

Would like to see three personnel changes by next week. 

 

Get Zay Jones off the team. He sucks. Doesn’t separate, terrible body control and had never made a play that any other receiver in the league wouldn’t have made. Duke needs to be on this roster to high point balls and body small CBs out. If that means you cut Zay than just do it.

 

Get a new punter. Bono is the Worst punter in the league. The snap was horrible on the block but could he have taken anymore time. Plus the 21 yard punt was a nice touch near the end of the game. Time to move on there. 

 

Make Ty Nsecke your FT right tackle and start transitioning Cody Ford to guard. Too much pressure off the right when he’s in the game. Both of our tackles may be better suited long term for guard based on what I am seeing. 

Edited September 30, 2019 by Bagwell358

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7 minutes ago, Bevis said:

Good players are good, yes even after just 16 games.

 

So are you of old French origin meaning "lovely son," or did you just not realize the cartoon character has an "a" in the name?

[Motor26]

2 minutes ago, Bagwell358 said:

Would like to see three personnel changes by next week. 

 

Get Zay Jones off the team. He sucks. Doesn’t separate, terrible body control and had never made a play that any other receiver in the league wouldn’t have made. Duke needs to be on this roster to high point balls and body small CBs out. If that means you cut Zay than just do it.

 

Get a new punter. Bono is the Worst punter in the league. The snap was horrible on the block but could he have taken anymore time. Plus the 21 yard punt was a nice touch near the end of the game. Time to move on there. 

 

Make Ty Nsecke your FT left tackle and start transitioning Cody Ford to guard. Too much pressure off the right when he’s in the game. Both of our tackles may be better suited long term for guard based on what I am seeing. 

 

How long will it take McBeane to admit they made a mistake and get rid of Zay? They cut Kelvin Benjamin after trading a 3rd for him.

[DuckyBoys]

3 minutes ago, Bagwell358 said:

Would like to see three personnel changes by next week. 

 

Get Zay Jones off the team. He sucks. Doesn’t separate, terrible body control and had never made a play that any other receiver in the league wouldn’t have made. Duke needs to be on this roster to high point balls and body small CBs out. If that means you cut Zay than just do it.

 

Get a new punter. Bono is the Worst punter in the league. The snap was horrible on the block but could he have taken anymore time. Plus the 21 yard punt was a nice touch near the end of the game. Time to move on there. 

 

Make Ty Nsecke your FT right tackle and start transitioning Cody Ford to guard. Too much pressure off the right when he’s in the game. Both of our tackles may be better suited long term for guard based on what I am seeing. 

 

 

Seems like McDermott takes forever to see what is obvious and pull the trigger . How many games did we waste on Benjamin last year before they gave up and moved on?  Haushka is beginning to concern me as well.  Zay Jones is Josh Reed part two . Same guy, mediocre talent who is sucking up snaps .  Dude is killing it with 30 yds per game over his career

[tbonehawaii]

3 hours ago, North Buffalo said:

Why wasnt guy who hit Allen kicked out?

Because he didn’t hit Marsha.

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3 minutes ago, DuckyBoys said:

 

 

Seems like McDermott takes forever to see what is obvious and pull the trigger . How many games did we waste on Benjamin last year before they gave up and moved on?  Haushka is beginning to concern me as well.  Zay Jones is Josh Reed part two . Same guy, mediocre talent who is sucking up snaps .  Dude is killing it with 30 yds per game over his career

 

It was the lack of awareness to come back and play defense on what was clearly an underthrown ball that is the last straw for me.  He was looking back at the ball and continuing to run his pattern as though it would miraculously find the "oomph" to get over the DB at the last minute.  Time to pull the plug on Zay.

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

TJ Yeldon looked much better today! That said, he really needed to hold onto that Throw on the trick play. Tough catch but that would have won the game.

[Boatdrinks]

2 minutes ago, transient said:

 

It was the lack of awareness to come back and play defense on what was clearly an underthrown ball that is the last straw for me.  He was looking back at the ball and continuing to run his pattern as though it would miraculously find the "oomph" to get over the DB at the last minute.  Time to pull the plug on Zay.

He really doesn’t fight for the ball at all. 

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Just now, JR in Pittsburgh said:

TJ Yeldon looked much better today! That said, he really needed to hold onto that Throw on the trick play. Tough catch but that would have won the game.

 

Daboll also needs to learn to use Yeldon out of the backfield and, when he returns, Singletary IN THE FIRST HALF instead of sitting on them until the third quarter.  WTF is with this sandbagging ****?  Wouldn't the second half of games be easier to scheme for with a lead?

1 minute ago, Boatdrinks said:

He really doesn’t fight for the ball at all. 

 It's like his competitive spirit was corrupted by the ghost of Kelvin Benjamin.

[Fred Slacks]

3 minutes ago, JR in Pittsburgh said:

TJ Yeldon looked much better today! That said, he really needed to hold onto that Throw on the trick play. Tough catch but that would have won the game.

I’m still a little miffed there was no PI on that call. The defender was in Yeldon’s lap not looking at the ball.  But hey it’s the Pats so can’t say I’m shocked. 

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

Just now, Fred Slacks said:

I’m still a little miffed there was no PI on that call. The defender was in Yeldon’s lap not looking at the ball.  But hey it’s the Pats so can’t say I’m shocked. 

 

Apparently, shielding isn’t PI anymore? I too thought it was interference. 

[vincec]

9 minutes ago, JR in Pittsburgh said:

TJ Yeldon looked much better today! That said, he really needed to hold onto that Throw on the trick play. Tough catch but that would have won the game.

Or Brown could have thrown it 5 yards further and he would have had an easy catch.

[Motor26]

4 minutes ago, Fred Slacks said:

I’m still a little miffed there was no PI on that call. The defender was in Yeldon’s lap not looking at the ball.  But hey it’s the Pats so can’t say I’m shocked. 

 

They turned the ball over 4 times, had a punt blocked for a TD and lost by 6. The refs had little to do with the Bills losing the game.

[gobills1212]

2 hours ago, jrober38 said:

 

I'm pretty close to considering Barkley.  The rest of our team is elite. We may have the best defense in the NFL.

 

You can't have a starting QB with a QB Rating below 70. If that doesn't pick up by November you need to start considering a switch for the sake of the other guys on the team. 

 

How about he stops throwing passes down the middle of the field into double coverage.

 

That would help. 

Close to considering Barkley...okay... now that youve considered him, what can you do about it?

Right.. nothing. 

 

How about you consider not being a troll?

Something you can actually control!

[DuckyBoys]

I think we can agree in general the skill position guys could do better at fighting for contested catches and coming back to make plays for the qb.  John Brown has been the best by far snagging some impressive away from his body catches  Honestly we dont have that feared WR1 who routinely makes tough catches along with the occasional highlight reel reception.   In a perfect world Brown would be a #2 wr and Beasley would be the slot on obvious passing downs/3 wr sets and Zay would be a distant memory

[SCBills]

For as bad as Allen was, he seemed to be getting it together in the second half.  

 

Josh Allen also has one of the highest 4th Quarter QBR’s in the league, as well as operating one of the most efficient red zone offenses.  

 

Safe to say this one couldve been much different if, once again, a Patriot player didn’t intentionally hurt one of our star players.  

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

2 minutes ago, SCBills said:

For as bad as Allen was, he seemed to be getting it together in the second half.  

 

Josh Allen also has one of the highest 4th Quarter QBR’s in the league, as well as operating one of the most efficient red zone offenses.  

 

Safe to say this one couldve been much different if, once again, a Patriot player didn’t intentionally hurt one of our star players.  

 

Agreed. I was hoping/expecting JA to walk out there on that last drive in heroic fashion and lead us to victory. Hope the guy is okay.

Edited September 30, 2019 by JR in Pittsburgh

[B-Large]

4 hours ago, billsintaiwan said:

I think we needed ten timeouts for this game. Definitely outschemed in key situations.

 

Yeah, there weren’t enough TO in 3 games we needed today.  Also, Allen’s situational awareness is puzzling... isn’t he on the mic, I mean, how do you take sacks twice that I can  recall that took you out of hard fought FG range?

 

I mean the unforced error and maddening 

[zow2]

Overall the Bills have nothing explosive going on offense and that could ultimately cost us a playoff season.  I can easily see going down to Tennessee and losing a 17-10 type of game.  That’s a big game between teams that will be competing for only 2 wild card spots 

[transient]

5 minutes ago, DuckyBoys said:

I think we can agree in general the skill position guys could do better at fighting for contested catches and coming back to make plays for the qb.  John Brown has been the best by far snagging some impressive away from his body catches  Honestly we dont have that feared WR1 who routinely makes tough catches along with the occasional highlight reel reception.   In a perfect world Brown would be a #2 wr and Beasley would be the slot on obvious passing downs/3 wr sets and Zay would be a distant memory

 

Have to wonder, as was stated in the broadcast and multiple other places before, if it's Foster's foot injury that's limiting his snaps.  If so, when he's healed does he relegate Zay to the bench?  I would have thought Foster and Brown would be redundant one dimensional deep ball threats before realizing what a versatile receiver Brown is.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

1 minute ago, transient said:

 

Have to wonder, as was stated in the broadcast and multiple other places before, if it's Foster's foot injury that's limiting his snaps.  If so, when he's healed does he relegate Zay to the bench?  I would have thought Foster and Brown would be redundant one dimensional deep ball threats before realizing what a versatile receiver Brown is.

 

Groin. I'm not putting too much stock in Bob Foster.

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1 minute ago, Joe in Winslow said:

 

Groin. I'm not putting too much stock in Bob Foster.

 

Maybe not, but Zay's a mess at this point so why not give it a shot with someone on the roster who's flashed in the past once he's healed.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

Just now, transient said:

 

Maybe not, but Zay's a mess at this point so why not give it a shot with someone on the roster who's flashed in the past once he's healed.

Bring on the Duke.

[transient]

1 minute ago, Joe in Winslow said:

Bring on the Duke.

 

Gonna cut Zay outright?  If you do that someone's gotta go... may have to bring up Davis Webb for next week, so that would be 2 guys you'd have to cut...

[Stank_Nasty]

3 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said:

Bring on the Duke.

#FREEDUKE

[vincec]

Just now, transient said:

 

Gonna cut Zay outright?  If you do that someone's gotta go... may have to bring up Davis Webb for next week, so that would be 2 guys you'd have to cut...

IR Kroft. That's one.

[CincyBillsFan]

I didn't read through this whole thread so apologies if someone else mentioned this but IMO the Bills lost this game on one series in the 2nd half.  Let me lay it out:

 

Bills are down 13 - 3 and they come out of the locker room in the 3rd quarter and Allen engineers the best (and only) TD drive against the Pats D in the last 4 games going back to the Super Bowl.  This cuts the Pats lead to 13 - 10.  The Ralph is rocking and the Bills are fired up!

 

The defense promptly three & outs the Patriots and forces the punt.  The Bills have the ball at their own 39 yard line.

 

Two quick plays gain 6 yards and the Bills face a 3rd & 4!  Allen masterfully gets the pats to jump offside giving us the 1st down.  He also throws a deep ball taking advantage of the free play.  Wait, no 1st down because the Bills are called for holding on that play! 

 

Okay, so we have a do over.  Allen pulls the ball down and runs for 6 yards and a first down at the Pat's 48 yard line!  Wait, no 1st down as we get a SECOND freaking holding call.  Now it's 3rd & 14 and off course we don't convert.

 

I believe that had we got the 1st down there we take it all the way in for a TD.  Big Moe was clearly working in our favor! 

 

So in spite of Allen's 3 INT's; in spite of a coaching staff wasting 2 precious 2nd half TO's;  in spite of a blocked punt for a TD and in spite of a 22 yard punt that was no better then an INT I believe this series and the unfortunate penalties that happened is why we lost the game.  Am I crazy here?  I've just seen so much football in my life and that was the point where we could have taken over the game.

 

 

 

 

[Figster]

56 minutes ago, MDH said:

 

I think he intellectually knows these things but when the bullets fly he’s not thinking about making the smart play. He reverts back to his instincts which have often worked for him in the past. 

 

Unless he can overcome a lifetime of poor decisions that have been reinforced because they sometimes worked he’s never going to be a consistent QB at the NFL level.

 

Im beginning to have my doubts.

  No doubts on my end MDH. B B is real good at making young and inexperienced QB's look really bad. Allen seemed to be fighting his way out of it. Doing what he had to do, to move the football.

 

Talk is cheap , but don't you feel like If that was Josh Allen out there on the last drive, Bills win?

 

Don't get me wrong, I like Barkley...

 

 

 

[MDH]

3 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:

I didn't read through this whole thread so apologies if someone else mentioned this but IMO the Bills lost this game on one series in the 2nd half.  Let me lay it out:

 

Bills are down 13 - 3 and they come out of the locker room in the 3rd quarter and Allen engineers the best (and only) TD drive against the Pats D in the last 4 games going back to the Super Bowl.  This cuts the Pats lead to 13 - 10.  The Ralph is rocking and the Bills are fired up!

 

The defense promptly three & outs the Patriots and forces the punt.  The Bills have the ball at their own 39 yard line.

 

Two quick plays gain 6 yards and the Bills face a 3rd & 4!  Allen masterfully gets the pats to jump offside giving us the 1st down.  He also throws a deep ball taking advantage of the free play.  Wait, no 1st down because the Bills are called for holding on that play! 

 

Okay, so we have a do over.  Allen pulls the ball down and runs for 6 yards and a first down at the Pat's 48 yard line!  Wait, no 1st down as we get a SECOND freaking holding call.  Now it's 3rd & 14 and off course we don't convert.

 

I believe that had we got the 1st down there we take it all the way in for a TD.  Big Moe was clearly working in our favor! 

 

So in spite of Allen's 3 INT's; in spite of a coaching staff wasting 2 precious 2nd half TO's;  in spite of a blocked punt for a TD and in spite of a 22 yard punt that was no better then an INT I believe this series and the unfortunate penalties that happened is why we lost the game.  Am I crazy here?  I've just seen so much football in my life and that was the point where we could have taken over the game.

 

 

 

 

 

That first holding call on Dawkins is inexcusable. It’s a free play, you don’t hold to protect your QB there as the refs are supposed to blow it dead if a player is coming in unabated to the QB. That penalty made me mad.

 

The following one on Morse was kinda on Allen and kinda a bad call. Allen held the ball for 5-6 seconds on that play, you can’t expect the OL to hold off the D that long...except that was a totally ticky-tack call that had no impact on the play. Those are the types of calls the refs have been instructed not to call.

 

But yeah, it might have been a different game had they picked up the first there. It’s tough to know what would have happened. The Bills crosses mid-field time and time again this game yet had little success putting points in the board.

[Rock-A-Bye Beasley]

9 minutes ago, Figster said:

  No doubts on my end MDH. B B is real good at making young and inexperienced QB's look really bad. Allen seemed to be fighting his way out of it. Doing what he had to do, to move the football.

 

Talk is cheap , but don't you feel like If that was Josh Allen out there on the last drive, Bills win?

 

Don't get me wrong, I like Barkley...

 

 

 

 

Imagine the level of the Barkley talk if Yeldon makes that catch and Bills win.

[CincyBillsFan]

5 minutes ago, MDH said:

 

That first holding call on Dawkins is inexcusable. It’s a free play, you don’t hold to protect your QB there as the refs are supposed to blow it dead if a player is coming in unabated to the QB. That penalty made me mad.

 

The following one on Morse was kinda on Allen and kinda a bad call. Allen held the ball for 5-6 seconds on that play, you can’t expect the OL to hold off the D that long...except that was a totally ticky-tack call that had no impact on the play. Those are the types of calls the refs have been instructed not to call.

 

But yeah, it might have been a different game had they picked up the first there. It’s tough to know what would have happened. The Bills crosses mid-field time and time again this game yet had little success putting points in the board.

 

But at that point in the game coming just after the Bills had gone 75 yards for the TD you just had the feeling that a dam was about to break open.  We had them on their back heels.  We'll never know but at the time I remember thinking we may have just lost the ball game. 

Edited September 30, 2019 by CincyBillsFan

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1 minute ago, Chemical said:

 

Imagine the level of the Barkley talk if Yeldon makes that catch and Bills win.

 

You mean Brown talk?

[Motor26]

Why is Knox not more involved in the offense? All he does is come up with big plays. Instead we have to watch Lee Smith steal snaps from him cuz he’s a lunch pail dude.

Edited September 30, 2019 by Motor26

[jrober38]

1 minute ago, Motor26 said:

Why is Knox not more involved in the offense? All he does is come up with big plays. Instead we have to watch Lee Smith steak snaps from him cuz he’s a lunch pail dude.

 

Makes no sense.

 

Knox didn't see the field until the last drive of the 2nd half, when we marched down the field for a field goal attempt.

 

He needs a lot more snaps.

 

If you're going to play Smith, you might as well play an extra lineman. Everyone knows he's no threat to catch the ball.