Post Game Thread Bills vs Pats*

[Playoffs?]

5 minutes ago, RaoulDuke79 said:

I've never been more happy with a loss in my life. I said before the game that this was a litmus test and I think we passed with flying colors. Defense is downright dirty and if we didn't shoot ourselves in the foot on offense we could have won the game. I really like what we have here. GO BILLS!!!!

 

Yeah, I want to be done accepting a loss, especially when it’s a game we could’ve won... against those f’ing cheating a-holes. 

 

Moral victories don’t mean anything unless they inspire the team to be better going forward, and don’t just expose our weaknesses to the rest of the league. 

 

*If I’m McBeane, I’m thinking “this defense can get us to the super bowl.  I don’t wanna waste this talent... let’s lock up the players we can now... but more importantly, let’s get some offensive help right now!!!”   (I’m not McBeane)

[RaoulDuke79]

12 minutes ago, LabattBlue said:

YES!!! Moral victories are what it is all about!!

 

 

I'll sleep well tonight. I've been miserable after many Bills losses, but this isn't one of them. 

[JoeF]

31 minutes ago, klos63 said:

We should not have won. We made way too many mistakes, too many turnovers, too many poor decisions....

I should have said "could" have-- meaning the Bills have the talent to match up with the Pats...you are correct @klos63

Edited September 29, 2019 by JoeF

[jrober38]

8 minutes ago, klos63 said:

offense line is inconsistent. Dawkins is worriesome. Ford not there yet...

offense line is inconsistent. Dawkins is worriesome. Ford not there yet...

offense line is inconsistent. Dawkins is worriesome. Ford not there yet...

 

I disagree.

 

Gore is averaging 6.4 yards per carry this year. Singletary was averaging 12.7. 

 

Allen often has all day to throw. Our penalties are often a result of him holding the ball too long, running around and our linemen grabbing because they don't know where Allen is scrambling to as he leaves the pocket. 

 

I don't view our offensive line as a problem at all. It's been way better than last year. 

 

[Jumpsuit Jim]

6 minutes ago, jrober38 said:

 

The difference:

 

Allen throws interceptions into double coverage and Brady throws the ball away. 

 

The difference:

 

brady is a skilled veteran with 248 seasons and 73 titles. Allen is a still improving tremendous upside learning the ropes QB. 

 

Im ok with that. 

[Gray Beard]

8 minutes ago, atlbillsfan1975 said:

I’m not so sure Daboll is the right coach for Josh. Two weeks now I did not like what I see out of Daboll and Josh on the sideline. 

Loved seeing McDermott talking with Josh in between the 1st and 2nd quarter. 

If I was Daboll I’d be yelling at Josh on the sidelines. 

 

“Don’t try to be a hero when you are on the run. Throw it away”

”Have a clock in your head. After 3 seconds, throw it away”

“Don’t force the long stuff when the short stuff is open”

 

However, I’m not sure these messages are getting through, so maybe a different messenger is needed. 

[Success]

Are there no football gods?  Who would continue to allow this?

 

That game was tantalizingly close.  New England did almost nothing to earn the win - a blocked punt was it.

 

Is it asking too much to just get a couple of breaks?  Maybe spot Brown on the 1 yard line, where he went down, instead of at the 3?  

 

[jrober38]

1 minute ago, Jumpsuit Jim said:

 

The difference:

 

brady is a skilled veteran with 248 seasons and 73 titles. Allen is a still improving tremendous upside learning the ropes QB. 

 

Im ok with that. 

 

Is he actually improving?

 

His QB Rating is now under 70 on the season. He makes the same mistakes every week forcing passes into coverage, missing receivers on simple 5 yard outs, and taking sacks when he could throw the ball away.

[Boatdrinks]

7 minutes ago, jrober38 said:

 

Allen makes mistakes most guys learn not to make in college. 

 

3 long throws into double coverage today. 3 interceptions. 

 

Here's no evidence he learns anything from his mistakes. He makes the same mistakes pretty much every game. 

Lots of young QBs try to force things because they got away with them in college. He’s not even from a big time conference. He may always have some element of that in his game, but I imagine it will decrease considerably as time goes on. 

[LabattBlue]

4 minutes ago, jrober38 said:

Allen often has all day to throw. 

 

This!!!!

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

Just now, LabattBlue said:

This!!!!

 

I'm not sure what game YOU were watching. OL was awful today.

[Sandhill Mike]

26 minutes ago, Figster said:

As bad as the loss felt, thinking about how uncomfortable we made it for OLD Tommy boy,

 

Still puts a smile on my face...

 

I've never been described as an optimist... but this is as good as I've felt about losing a game in a long time, especially to New England. 

 

The Pats can strut if they want but they know they dodged a bullet today.  Mc-Frazier's defense is consistently giving their offense trouble.  If we can get our offense to execute the game plan without so many mistakes... the future looks bright to me and we have a real reason to be think this is going to be a great season.

[jrober38]

1 minute ago, Boatdrinks said:

Lots of young QBs try to force things because they got away with them in college. He’s not even from a big time conference. He may always have some element of that in his game, but I imagine it will decrease considerably as time goes on. 

 

There's forcing things, and there's voluntarily throwing into double coverage when you have all day to survey the field. 

 

Allen makes the same mistakes week in and week out. He throws deep balls into double coverage, he throws prayers down the middle of the field off his back foot, and he sails the ball down the middle of the field when he rolls to his right.

 

On any given Sunday he does some combination of these things 3-4 times a game. Usually he gets away with it but today the Pats made him pay for every terrible decision he made with the football. 

His decision making is terrible.

 

The 2nd pick to Zay Jones was laughably bad. Frank Gore slips out of the backfield and the linebacker covering him literally falls down. Allen looks at him, sees that Gore is literally wide open in the left flat, and then still decides to heave a prayer down the field to Zay Jones, who is open but doubled up with the single high safety. The result was an under thrown pass and easy interception. 

 

The easy alternative, and taking what the defense gave him would have been a long gain that could have set up a TD. The Pats were in man coverage and there wasn't a defender within 25 yards of Frank Gore. 

[Stank_Nasty]

Funny how certain people all of a sudden are much more active on the board today. Havnt seen some of you for a few weeks..... hmmmm, strange. 

[Bevis]

16 minutes ago, jrober38 said:

 

Allen makes mistakes most guys learn not to make in college. 

 

3 long throws into double coverage today. 3 interceptions. 

 

Here's no evidence he learns anything from his mistakes. He makes the same mistakes pretty much every game. 

That seems to be the trend. His high wonderlic score is just not showing up as of yet.

[Boatdrinks]

2 minutes ago, jrober38 said:

 

There's forcing things, and there's voluntarily throwing into double coverage when you have all day to survey the field. 

 

Allen makes the same mistakes week in and week out. He throws deep balls into double coverage, he throws prayers down the middle of the field off his back foot, and he sails the ball down the middle of the field when he rolls to his right.

 

On any given Sunday he does some combination of these things 3-4 times a game. Usually he gets away with it but today the Pats made him pay for every terrible decision he made with the football. 

His decision making is terrible.

 

The 2nd pick to Zay Jones was laughably bad. Frank Gore slips out of the backfield and the linebacker covering him literally falls down. Allen looks at him, sees that Gore is literally wide open in the left flat, and then still decides to heave a prayer down the field to Zay Jones, who is open but doubled up with the single high safety. The result was an under thrown pass and easy interception. 

 

The easy alternative, and taking what the defense gave him would have been a long gain that could have set up a TD. The Pats were in man coverage and there wasn't a defender within 25 yards of Frank Gore. 

He made a lot of mistakes. We will see if and when his game improves in that area. He’ll get more than a season, and will likely get three. Seems about right, given the investment. Not going to turn to Matt Barkley. 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

2 minutes ago, Stank_Nasty said:

Funny how certain people all of a sudden are much more active on the board today. Havnt seen some of you for a few weeks..... hmmmm, strange. 

 

Isn't it though?

[klos63]

21 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said:

You can say that again!

I don't know why that happens. It's happened before. 

16 minutes ago, JoeF said:

I should have said "could" have-- meaning the Bills have the talent to match up with the Pats...you are correct @klos63

I agree with you there. We had many chances.

[Canadian Bills Fan]

Omg shut up!! For all of those posting stupid thoughts to get rid of and trade Allen. 

 

The guy had a terrible game. So what? Play calling sucked HUGE and every starting QB's have a terrible game every now and then. 

 

This is the first time all season Allen looked awful and I'm reading stupid s**t like "let's trade him and a 1st and 3rd for whoever's in a position to draft Tua"

 

 

How about we get our QB a true #1 WR in round one of the draft this upcoming offseason and how about we make an change to this horrible conservative play calling!

 

 

 

[jrober38]

Just now, Boatdrinks said:

He made a lot of mistakes. We will see if and when his game improves in that area. He’ll get more than a season, and will likely get three. Seems about right, given the investment. Not going to turn to Matt Barkley. 

 

I'm pretty close to considering Barkley.  The rest of our team is elite. We may have the best defense in the NFL.

 

You can't have a starting QB with a QB Rating below 70. If that doesn't pick up by November you need to start considering a switch for the sake of the other guys on the team. 

Just now, Canadian Bills Fan said:

Omg shut up!! For all of those posting stupid thoughts to get rid of and trade Allen. 

 

The guy had a terrible game. So what? Play calling sucked HUGE and every starting QB's have a terrible game every now and then. 

 

This is the first time all season Allen looked awful and I'm reading stupid s**t like "let's trade him and a 1st and 3rd for whoever's in a position to draft Tua"

 

 

How about we get our QB a true #1 WR in round one of the draft this upcoming offseason and how about we make an change to this horrible conservative play calling!

 

 

 

 

How about he stops throwing passes down the middle of the field into double coverage.

 

That would help. 

[Meatloaf63]

22 minutes ago, jrober38 said:

 

Allen makes mistakes most guys learn not to make in college. 

 

3 long throws into double coverage today. 3 interceptions. 

 

Here's no evidence he learns anything from his mistakes. He makes the same mistakes pretty much every game. 

Jim Kelly used to do the same thing his first season here and that was after two season in a previous league....

[Lieutenant Aldo Raine]

1 minute ago, jrober38 said:

 

I'm pretty close to considering Barkley.  The rest of our team is elite. We may have the best defense in the NFL.

 

You can't have a starting QB with a QB Rating below 70. If that doesn't pick up by November you need to start considering a switch for the sake of the other guys on the team. 

 

How about he stops throwing passes down the middle of the field into double coverage.

 

That would help. 

 

Do you feel vindicated?  Is that why you show up when Allen has a bad game?  You've hated Allen since he was drafted.  

[GoBills808]

1 minute ago, jrober38 said:

 

I'm pretty close to considering Barkley.  The rest of our team is elite. We may have the best defense in the NFL.

 

You can't have a starting QB with a QB Rating below 70. If that doesn't pick up by November you need to start considering a switch for the sake of the other guys on the team. 

This is a joke.

 

just FYI

 

But hey... glad you folks showed up, 3-0 and I was starting to worry. Shouldn’t have, obviously. Today’s your day! Have a laugh.

[jrober38]

 

1 minute ago, Lieutenant Aldo Raine said:

 

Do you feel vindicated?  Is that why you show up when Allen has a bad game?  You've hated Allen since he was drafted.  

 

Not at all.

 

This team had no business losing today. We should be 4-0 and contending for a Super Bowl with how good this defense is. 

[Jumpsuit Jim]

15 minutes ago, jrober38 said:

 

Is he actually improving?

 

His QB Rating is now under 70 on the season. He makes the same mistakes every week forcing passes into coverage, missing receivers on simple 5 yard outs, and taking sacks when he could throw the ball away.

 

I though he was going to sit out the entire first season because he was so raw. I thought his second season he would play, but play poorly. So I am pleasantly surprised with how much he has improved. 

 

Is he improving? Yes. Is is he a finished product? No. Will he ever be one to throw it away as frequently as Brady? No. Am I ok with that? Yes. 

[Buffalo Junction]

One punt block away from victory despite a metric ton of turnovers. Can’t be mad at this loss. It’s frustrating, but this team is 1-3 players away from consistent dominance. Reliable punter, another WR and LT or DE and this team is stealing the division. 

Edited September 29, 2019 by Buffalo Junction

[jrober38]

3 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

This is a joke.

 

just FYI

 

But hey... glad you folks showed up, 3-0 and I was starting to worry. Shouldn’t have, obviously. Today’s your day! Have a laugh.

 

It's not a joke.

 

Josh Allen is currently the 32nd ranked QB in the NFL in QB Rating.

[TigerJ]

I'm feeling hopeful.  There are no moral victories in the NFL, but. . .

 

The defense of the Bills is very comparable to that of the Patriots.

 

The Bills were a few mistakes/bad calls away from winning.  

 

Buffalo's offense still needs to get better.  I think they will continue to improve through the course of the season, but there are still upgrades that need to be made.  I think the odds of making the playoffs are still good.  I might even be more optimistic after the Patriots game than before because I'm even more convinced that the Bills are for  real this year.  While Frank Gore appears to be ageless, I think the Bills need to add a big, strong, young running back next season.  The odds have to be increasing of injury to Gore with every season.  The Bills also need to try and add an athletic big receiver.  The offensive line is good right now, but it still has room for another long term addition.  Nsekhe is solid but he's on a two year deal and I have a hard time thinking the Bills will extend him.  Yes, Allen is still making mistakes, but I believe he will improve.

[GoBills808]

Just now, jrober38 said:

 

It's not a joke.

 

Josh Allen is currently the 32nd ranked QB in the NFL in QB Rating.

Good for you. Let it out.

[Boatdrinks]

8 minutes ago, jrober38 said:

 

I'm pretty close to considering Barkley.  The rest of our team is elite. We may have the best defense in the NFL.

 

You can't have a starting QB with a QB Rating below 70. If that doesn't pick up by November you need to start considering a switch for the sake of the other guys on the team. 

 

How about he stops throwing passes down the middle of the field into double coverage.

 

That would help. 

Good thing you’re not the one choosing. Barkley only in case of injury at this point. 

[Sandhill Mike]

I do think he'll get better but he has to listen to the coaches and stop trying to win games like he's back at Wyoming.  We saw that drive in the 3rd quarter where he got the ball out quickly, took what was there... they looked like a machine. 

 

He can do it, but I'm sure that competitive urge to be a hero has been too strong for him to overcome when under fire.  The run for the sticks in the fourth quarter that got him knocked out was gutsy but too risky in the situation... and the bastards got him.

 

We knew he was going to be a work in progress.  He needs to stop trying to be Mahomes and just take what's there.  Those heroic moments will find him and be better to him when he does.

[whatdrought]

10 minutes ago, Canadian Bills Fan said:

Omg shut up!! For all of those posting stupid thoughts to get rid of and trade Allen. 

 

The guy had a terrible game. So what? Play calling sucked HUGE and every starting QB's have a terrible game every now and then. 

 

This is the first time all season Allen looked awful and I'm reading stupid s**t like "let's trade him and a 1st and 3rd for whoever's in a position to draft Tua"

 

 

How about we get our QB a true #1 WR in round one of the draft this upcoming offseason and how about we make an change to this horrible conservative play calling!

 

 

 

 

How many of us does it take to vote to let you all go full USSR and shut down the drama queens?? You got my vote.

[transplantbillsfan]

4 minutes ago, jrober38 said:

 

 

Not at all.

 

This team had no business losing today. We should be 4-0 and contending for a Super Bowl with how good this defense is. 

 

New England has a pretty damn good defense too, ya know.

 

I love Barkley as a backup, but it's so ridiculously premature to even consider benching Allen at this point.

 

He was awful today.

 

Next week is a new game.

 

Move along.

[Boatdrinks]

Did anyone actually think the Bills offense was better than the one they were facing today ? . I didn’t , and I’m not surprised they struggled. I actually think they are capable of winning 10;games with their schedule if they stay relatively healthy. 

Just now, transplantbillsfan said:

 

New England has a pretty damn good defense too, ya know.

 

I love Barkley as a backup, but it's so ridiculously premature to even consider benching Allen at this point.

 

He was awful today.

 

Next week is a new game.

 

Move along.

They do. I read an article about the game on CBS sports and they said the Bils D was excellent, but was overshadowed by the Pats. The Bills faced the SB champs. The Pats faced a QB in start #15 with 1 returning Olineman and two new WRs. Had to laugh at their assessment. 

[jrober38]

Just now, transplantbillsfan said:

 

New England has a pretty damn good defense too, ya know.

 

I love Barkley as a backup, but it's so ridiculously premature to even consider benching Allen at this point.

 

He was awful today.

 

Next week is a new game.

 

Move along.

 

This isn't about one game. We've played 4 games.

Josh Allen is currently the 32nd ranked QB in the NFL in terms of QB Rating. We're averaging 19 points per game in scoring. 

 

That's not good enough. 

[whatdrought]

The first interception is a perfectly normal thing. He took a risk, it didn’t work. If brown goes 60 for a score he’s a god around here. The issue is the consecutive mistakes and the other small things he did poorly. I think this can be explained away as nerves playing in what’s probably the biggest game of the year. Allen has at least 2 more truly horrific games in his bank before I’m ready to withdraw my support. He’s going to come back and blow up whoever he plays next. The kid is a baller and it didn’t go his way today, but he’ll be back.

 

also- hot take: Allen pops up from that hit and gets a 3rd and 8 or whatever it was where Barkley went in, we win that game. 

[Boatdrinks]

Just now, jrober38 said:

 

This isn't about one game. We've played 4 games.

Josh Allen is currently the 32nd ranked QB in the NFL in terms of QB Rating. We're averaging 19 points per game in scoring. 

 

That's not good enough. 

And the Bills are 3-1, just played the toughest team on their schedule by a freakin longshot and Allen doesn’t have a losing record as a starter. Winning is all that matters. Winning while he develops is even better. 

[GoBills808]

7 minutes ago, jrober38 said:

 

It's not a joke.

 

Josh Allen is currently the 32nd ranked QB in the NFL in QB Rating.

Brady had a 45 rating today. 

[Jumpsuit Jim]

1 minute ago, jrober38 said:

 

This isn't about one game. We've played 4 games.

Josh Allen is currently the 32nd ranked QB in the NFL in terms of QB Rating. We're averaging 19 points per game in scoring. 

 

That's not good enough. 

 

Solution:

 

If you want a super successful game manager, root for the Pats. If you want an accurate passer, root for the Saints. If you want to root for the next Wonderkind, root for the Chiefs. 

 

I root oof for the Bills and the whirlwind named Josh. Ride the whirlwind. It’s fun. 

[Happy]

16 minutes ago, Canadian Bills Fan said:

Omg shut up!! For all of those posting stupid thoughts to get rid of and trade Allen. 

 

The guy had a terrible game. So what? Play calling sucked HUGE and every starting QB's have a terrible game every now and then. 

 

This is the first time all season Allen looked awful and I'm reading stupid s**t like "let's trade him and a 1st and 3rd for whoever's in a position to draft Tua"

 

 

How about we get our QB a true #1 WR in round one of the draft this upcoming offseason and how about we make an change to this horrible conservative play calling!

 

 

 

 

The offensive line is still kind of a mess.  Can Ford get it together at RT?  Not sold on Dawkins at LT; he's marginal at best.