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58 minutes ago, IgotBILLStopay said:

We have 47 seconds left for Halftime and 2 timeouts. Ball on our 28 yard line. We kneel twice and go into the half. Going 35 yards with two timeouts and 47 seconds is certainly not impossible.

 

I've mentioned this before, but the reason we "just took a knee" there really started at 1:49 left in the half.

 

That is when we got the ball with 2 TOs for what should have been the final drive of the half ending in us getting some points, even a FG.

 

Instead, we started with a blunder of a QB draw that killed all momentum. We ended up going 3 and out, and giving the Giants the ball back at 1:32.

 

Luckily, we got a decent stand by the Defense and got the ball back. I think at that point, McD didnt want to chance anything that would give the Giants momentum going into the half, we already blew our last chance, we were getting the ball after the half... so he decided to just cut any losses and end the half under our own control.

 

I wasnt happy with how that drive at 1:49 worked out, but when we got the ball back I begrudgingly agreed with "Just get off the field for now, and get ready to reboot".

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The bigger problem is how they came out in the 3rd Quarter.  Didn't they get their half time snack?  Were the Rice Krispie Treats stale?  The stadium was dead quiet and the Bills were too.  They have to fix that! The team literally looked like they were ready for a nap...not a football game.  If you do that against better competition, the game will be over before you wake up.

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9 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

The bigger problem is how they came out in the 3rd Quarter.  Didn't they get their half time snack?  Were the Rice Krispie Treats stale?  The stadium was dead quiet and the Bills were too.  They have to fix that! The team literally looked like they were ready for a nap...not a football game.  If you do that against better competition, the game will be over before you wake up.

I guess the Giants may have made better halftime adjustments than the Bills it looked like. But glad they got their ***** together in the 4th qt though and sealed it.

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57 minutes ago, hondo in seattle said:

I wonder if Daboll and McD were a little gun shy because we turned the ball over 4 times against the Jets on relatively low risk plays.  

 

With a solid lead and confidence in the D, they may have decided to be conservative in their risk-reward analysis.

Ding, ding, ding.  Unlucky TO's in that position would kill the momentum.

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37 minutes ago, Chandler#81 said:

Maybe I was dreaming, but hasn’t this topic been discussed thoroughly in 15 other threads since Sunday? Yes, it surprised everybody. Did we lose because we didn’t try to score?

 

Butbutbut....Doug Pedersen.

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interesting to see the different takes on this.

 

As i remember it the Giants secondary was awful.  Slow, uninspired.   Brown was open all day by a lot and so were many other guys.  At one point Bease didn't have a single guy within 15 yards of him on that long completion.   We had two timeouts and would need to go about 30 yards for Haush money to try a long bomber.

 

Complete lack of balls to not even run one play and see how it pans out.  It's not like Josh was getting destroyed every play.  You're developing an offense that is 80% brand new guys playing together.  every snap you learn a little more.  Here's a live real game scenario that great qb's thrive in.   

 

Not only did he fold and take a knee, the offense came out cold in the 2nd half.   

 

Poor coaching decision.  Missed learning opportunity.   Sends a message to your team.

 

 

 

 

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This happened a time or two last year and I remember  McDermotts words- 

his concern is giving the other team a score late when you have control of the game

 

up 21-7 is it worth a risk (odds are against you) in your own end

you dominated the first half, worked like a dog and are in a good spot

you also get the ball to start the second half

 

the bad team goes for more points has a fumble or interception for 6

now its 21-14 and they are emotionally and physically back in the game

you dominated the second half and on the score board its a one score game

if you pop a play then maybe it changes but i totally agree -  

ITS NOT WORTH THE RISK AND WITHOUT A DOUBT THE RIGHT CALL 

 

 

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I think if they were playing New England they would have acted differently. Because it was a struggling Giants team, they went for the break.

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1 hour ago, ngbills said:

This plus the entire 2nd half. We had a lead and played to just hold it. Watch other teams that are used to winning in the NFL and they are not letting up like this. We let the Giants back in the game. It shows a lack of faith in Allen. I would have like to see him sling it and keep the pedal down in the 2nd half. 

 

Except we didn't.  10 pass plays to 4 run plays called in the 3rd quarter.  Pre-snap penalties and a huge Knox drop stifled the Bills' offense, not conservative play-calling.

 

Do you guys who love to complain even watch the game?

 

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2 hours ago, Just Joshin' said:

Part of me says go for more points.

 

I can understand the decision as they were dominating the Giants and were getting the ball to start the 3rd.  This is the low risk approach vs a turnover/injury.

 

It all worked out so no real heartburn over the decision.

I agree with all that especially knowing we get the ball first to start the 3rd. Unfortunately that doesn't always pan out because the opposition is making adjustments to what they've seen to that point. Why not go for a score when their on the ropes and still figuring things out? McD is very conservative with a lead and likes to put it on the D to control tempo instead of putting it on the O, especially with a 2nd year QB. Josh has proven in these 2 games that when he has to move the O for a score in a must situation he comes up clutch. McD and his philosophy is what it is I guess. 

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It’s easy to armchair stuff like this.

 

Someone brought up Philly against NE in the Super Bowl. There was also Atlanta, who tried to stay aggressive with a big lead - and it cost them the game.

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2 hours ago, jletha said:

 

IMO thats even more reason to go for it. Double up on them, stomp on their throats. Instead we let them come back in the game with second half adjustments.

Feel like you dont know what come back means.  We really had control of this game throughout.  It was only about half a drive in which I had any worries.  Game was over as soon as Allen hit Brown to go into field goal position.

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1 hour ago, Da webster guy said:

interesting to see the different takes on this.

 

As i remember it the Giants secondary was awful.  Slow, uninspired.   Brown was open all day by a lot and so were many other guys.  At one point Bease didn't have a single guy within 15 yards of him on that long completion.   We had two timeouts and would need to go about 30 yards for Haush money to try a long bomber.

 

Complete lack of balls to not even run one play and see how it pans out.  It's not like Josh was getting destroyed every play.  You're developing an offense that is 80% brand new guys playing together.  every snap you learn a little more.  Here's a live real game scenario that great qb's thrive in.   

 

Not only did he fold and take a knee, the offense came out cold in the 2nd half.   

 

Poor coaching decision.  Missed learning opportunity.   Sends a message to your team.

 

 

 

 

 

Yep, but you seem to forget the previous drive at 1:49 where the Giants started getting pressure and got a huge shot on Josh as he was called for intentional grounding.  They ran 3 plays and the Giants blitzed guys and got pressure, an intentional grounding/personal foul called, and a tackle for loss leading to the punt and a huge chance for the Giants to get it to a 1 score game.

 

The smart thing was to say - let’s go make some adjustments and see what we can do in the second half with a big lead and the ball.

 

I really do not get the false narrative that they went conservative.  They threw the ball just as much in the third and early 4th quarter as the rest of the game.  The difference was the incompletions and the penalties not a conservative plan.

 

I just think you are so totally wrong and if the Giants had scored because of a fumble or strip sack - you would have been complaining about that also.

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2 hours ago, Nextmanup said:

The decision to fold and run for the locker room is classic McDermott.

 

It's who he is.  

 

If we are going to beat NE in week 4, he is going to have to grow a pair and play much more aggressively, the way Philadelphia played in their Super Bowl victory in 2018.  

 

Philly took chances and played to win, and were rewarded for it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

I've said this for a couple years now. This is McDermott's biggest flaw.  It sends the wrong message of complacency to your team. If Sean thinks a 14pt lead is more than enough in todays NFL he's delusional. I love his process/culture philosophy.  I love his defense.  I absolutely hate his conservative tendencies on offense.  It will come back to bite him.....

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2 hours ago, IgotBILLStopay said:

OK I am gaga we are 2-0 and I look forward to being 3-0 this Sunday.  But I do have one peeve from the Giants game. And it involves a coaching decision, not a player. We have 47 seconds left for Halftime and 2 timeouts. Ball on our 28 yard line. We kneel twice and go into the half. Going 35 yards with two timeouts and 47 seconds is certainly not impossible. With Hauschka's foot - that would be a 55 yarder - very much doable, no?

 

Obviously I am a fan of McBeane - but the Coach gotta at least try something on first down, no? You want to be conservative - ok run on first and second down. Worst case you get nowhere. Even a 50 yard bomb on a 3rd and long with 15 seconds and one timeout left  would have been fine with Allen's arm. If it gets intercepted at the Giants 22 - they aint gonna move 40 yards in 10 seconds against our defense with just one timeout (I think they may have had one - not sure). So what is there to lose?

 

Just to put it in context: Shades of Marrone there.

 

https://ftw.usatoday.com/2018/08/nfl-doug-pederson-rips-jaguars-coaches-patriots

 

These are the decisions that help a team win close games.

 

FWIW, Looks like even Marrone is learning and changing now - with that gutsy 2-point attempt at the end of the game against Houston (which was the right call).

 

Bottomline: We dont  need advanced analytics to tell us we gotta try for something there. This was a coaching miss. Hope someone asks him that in an interview. And hope he learns from it.

I could have sworn we had the ball on the 38 yard line. 

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2 hours ago, Jobot said:

 

I felt the O was getting too loose at this point in the game.  I was good with reeling everyone back in to reset at the half.

Thanks Coach McD, it worked out for you this time...:)

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2 hours ago, ngbills said:

This plus the entire 2nd half. We had a lead and played to just hold it. Watch other teams that are used to winning in the NFL and they are not letting up like this. We let the Giants back in the game. It shows a lack of faith in Allen. I would have like to see him sling it and keep the pedal down in the 2nd half. 

Patently untrue.

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In that situation I'd do the same thing 10/10 times. Defense just stopped them, you almost gave up points, you are up by multiple scores, getting the ball back after the half. There is literally no reason to go for it. The reward does not outweigh the risk.

 

It was the right move.

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The coach knows if they’re currently in a peak or valley in the game and he made a decision based on that. It worked and they won. 

 

Should it he be a different scenario, he may conduct himself differently. 

 

McD is a great leader of men and he will definitively err towards conservative decision making. Fault? Who knows. But they won. 

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Don't agree.  We were in control of that game.  A mistake there could take us out of control of it.  I think it was the right move, but because of the rest of the situation and who we were playing.  Now, if we were playing a team like the Pats that could come back from being down 5 Tds in like 1 quarter, then I would think differently.

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FWIW I recall having an unsettled feeling based on some craziness that proceeded the kneel down.  Absolutely hate to see 2 timeouts wasted and more points before the half, but it was a good call based on what was happening at that moment.  It was pretty good clock management that got them there.  I'm sure they, like we, anticipated something better than the actual 3rd quarter we got from the O. 

 

McD is a little too conservative for me at times as well.  I'll admit it.  But he seems to know what he's doing with this whole coaching thing.  I'll defer to the expert.  It's all about getting the W baby!  At least he didn't lose his challenges if he even made any.  Seriously, his record is just terrible on challenges and I don't necessarily blame him entirely.  Sometimes your luck just sucks.

 

 

 

 

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4 minutes ago, Distorted One said:

FWIW I recall having an unsettled feeling based on some craziness that proceeded the kneel down.  Absolutely hate to see 2 timeouts wasted and more points before the half, but it was a good call based on what was happening at that moment.  It was pretty good clock management that got them there.  I'm sure they, like we, anticipated something better than the actual 3rd quarter we got from the O. 

 

McD is a little too conservative for me at times as well.  I'll admit it.  But he seems to know what he's doing with this whole coaching thing.  I'll defer to the expert.  It's all about getting the W baby!  At least he didn't lose his challenges if he even made any.  Seriously, his record is just terrible on challenges and I don't necessarily blame him entirely.  Sometimes your luck just sucks.

 

 

 

 

 

Didn't Allen fumble on that sack but they blew it dead? Then they returned it to basically the location of that fumble. On my phone otherwise I'd check

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4 minutes ago, dneveu said:

 

Didn't Allen fumble on that sack but they blew it dead? Then they returned it to basically the location of that fumble. On my phone otherwise I'd check

 

The drive before the kneels ended in that scrum that Cody Ford got all fired up in (love that kid's attitude regardless of how much work he needs).  There was an intentional ground call against JA but the Gmen declined in lieu of the unnecessary roughness flag on Cody.  That whole series was weird.  Then Eli's pass gets batted by Oliver and Murphy swooped in for the INT.  Yeah that's some craziness.  I remember when I saw them taking a knee thinking "Good call.  Just get the hell out of there and into the locker room with what we have.'  Sometimes you just have to stop the bad mojo and regroup.

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