Hebert19 Posted September 16, 2019 Share Posted September 16, 2019 When do we fix that? Hyde has 2 years left after this and poyer 1 but I feel like you get these guys locked up sooner than later as they are heart and soul of this defense. We have the money now...should do sooner than later if you ask me. Would like to see these guys here for next 4 years min. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobbRiddicksTDLeap Posted September 16, 2019 Share Posted September 16, 2019 It won’t last. They will both want more money after next season. Ive said it in other threads. The real task now is building a franchise that is competitive for years and years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hebert19 Posted September 16, 2019 Author Share Posted September 16, 2019 Agree. This is my point. Sometimes extending early shows commitment and as a result they take the proverbial home town discount. Them + this system = great fit. When is last time you saw us get beat deep? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted September 16, 2019 Share Posted September 16, 2019 Gotta be careful with things like this. They are both approaching 30, safety money skyrocketed with the Landon Collins deal. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted September 16, 2019 Share Posted September 16, 2019 Well, good thing we have a crap ton of money! Also, in regards to their age, I'm sure any deal would be front loaded to protect ourselves when Allen, Tre, and Edmunds are due, so cutting them if they start to decline would be easier 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJB Posted September 16, 2019 Share Posted September 16, 2019 (edited) Poyer and Hyde gonna be when they https://giphy.com/gifs/money-make-it-rain-MFsqcBSoOKPbjtmvWz Edited September 16, 2019 by DJB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted September 16, 2019 Share Posted September 16, 2019 It's funny but they were both given money that was probably high for them when they first signed, and almost immediately they both played up to and then over their deals. Plus the whole is bigger than the sum of their parts. They are both really solid. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted September 16, 2019 Share Posted September 16, 2019 Shhh. Don't let them know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted September 16, 2019 Share Posted September 16, 2019 Just now, Doc said: Shhh. Don't let them know. Damn. Too late. Cats already outta the bag. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunken Pygmy Goat Posted September 16, 2019 Share Posted September 16, 2019 (edited) Talk about someone else's trash being our treasure... I know there were some rumblings from Pack fans about losing Hyde, but man, these guys really blew up together in this scheme. Both really good players, but hopefully they realize what playing in Buffalo under McD has done for their careers, and realize what's still in front of them here that hasn't come to fruition yet. They won't be cheap, but hopefully they want to see it through and give the Bills a bit of a break and stay. I mentioned this defense in the same breath as the 2013 Seahawks yesterday. I know most people probably think that's crazy talk, but I truly believe this team has been built very similar, and defensively, the scheme and style are pretty close. It's not quite legion of boom, but getting pretty close IMO, and I'd hate to see it slip away over a few dollars just as it gets to that level. The Bills have the money right now. They should be working on extensions before allowing them to hit the market. Get the guaranteed money for them out of the way now, so that there's enough money left in 2-3 years for guys like White, Allen, Edmunds, and other players that may blow up. Edited September 16, 2019 by Drunken Pygmy Goat 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted September 16, 2019 Share Posted September 16, 2019 Hyde I knew would be good. Poyer I was hoping because I figured they saw something in him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted September 16, 2019 Share Posted September 16, 2019 Just now, Drunken Pygmy Goat said: Talk about someone else's trash being our treasure... I know there were some rumblings from Pack fans about losing Hyde, but man, these guys really blew up together in this scheme. Both really good players, but hopefully they realize what playing in Buffalo under McD has done for their careers, and realize what's still in front of them here that hasn't come to fruition yet. They won't be cheap, but hopefully they want to see it through and give the Bills a bit of a break and stay. I mentioned this defense in the same breath as the 2013 Seahawks yesterday. I know most people probably think that's crazy talk, but I truly believe this team has been built very similar, and defensively, the scheme and style are pretty close. It's not quite legion of boom, but getting pretty close IMO, and I'd hate to see it slip away over a few dollars just as it gets to that level. The Bills have the money right now. They should be working on extensions before allowing them to hit the market. Get the guaranteed money for them out of the way now, so that there's enough money left in 2-3 years for guys like White, Allen, Edmunds, and Oliver. McDermott really knows how to teach and coach DBs. Frazier and the position coaches get some credit but McD really knows his stuff. The bills get the most out of a lot of guys. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted September 16, 2019 Share Posted September 16, 2019 4 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said: It's funny but they were both given money that was probably high for them when they first signed, and almost immediately they both played up to and then over their deals. Plus the whole is bigger than the sum of their parts. They are both really solid. I absolutely thought we overpaid for Hyde. Super wrong and happy for it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted September 16, 2019 Share Posted September 16, 2019 Just now, Virgil said: I absolutely thought we overpaid for Hyde. Super wrong and happy for it I liked Hyde but thought they were really taking a flyer on Poyer. He's a really good player. Both of them have strengths in both the run and pass game. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Vader Posted September 16, 2019 Share Posted September 16, 2019 I believe they will be rewarded. We have a lot of cap room. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted September 16, 2019 Share Posted September 16, 2019 19 minutes ago, Rc2catch said: Gotta be careful with things like this. They are both approaching 30, safety money skyrocketed with the Landon Collins deal. Approaching yes, but both still 28. Reasonable to expect 4 more productive years from them. Nice extensions for both after the season. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunken Pygmy Goat Posted September 16, 2019 Share Posted September 16, 2019 4 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said: McDermott really knows how to teach and coach DBs. Frazier and the position coaches get some credit but McD really knows his stuff. The bills get the most out of a lot of guys. Yep. That was the main thing I was hanging my hat on when we hired McDermott. Josh Norman blew up in this scheme, then went to Washington and was exposed in a more man-to-man role. And to think, we all wanted Mike McCoy at the time...I think we got the right Josh, and I think we got the right Mc 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted September 16, 2019 Share Posted September 16, 2019 8 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said: It's funny but they were both given money that was probably high for them when they first signed, and almost immediately they both played up to and then over their deals. Plus the whole is bigger than the sum of their parts. They are both really solid. Yeah the contracts they received were considered very generous..............especially Poyer who had done almost nothing as a pro. I don't think people should get too attached to secondary members in this defense............if Josh Norman didn't get paid after he helped McD get to a SB then I'd say don't expect Tre to be getting $20M per or the safeties getting $10M. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted September 16, 2019 Share Posted September 16, 2019 My hunch is they will extend Hyde. I suspect they think they can find another Poyer in the draft or FA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted September 16, 2019 Share Posted September 16, 2019 25 minutes ago, Hebert19 said: Agree. This is my point. Sometimes extending early shows commitment and as a result they take the proverbial home town discount. Them + this system = great fit. When is last time you saw us get beat deep? Poyer more than likely signs an extension next spring but I don't see Hyde's contract extended next year. He is making good money and has 2 years left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted September 16, 2019 Share Posted September 16, 2019 1 minute ago, BADOLBILZ said: Yeah the contracts they received were considered very generous..............especially Poyer who had done almost nothing as a pro. I don't think people should get too attached to secondary members in this defense............if Josh Norman didn't get paid after he helped McD get to a SB then I'd say don't expect Tre to be getting $20M per or the safeties getting $10M. Tre is very good and valuable. But you're right. McD can take guys and make them good players in this system the way Bellichick and Scarnecchia can take guys other teams don't want and make them into very efficient OL in their system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted September 16, 2019 Share Posted September 16, 2019 Poyer...might be Beane’s best signing. No one on here knew who he was before signing here. Great scouting finding this under the radar talent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted September 16, 2019 Share Posted September 16, 2019 3 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: Poyer...might be Beane’s best signing. No one on here knew who he was before signing here. Great scouting finding this under the radar talent. Not Beane. Babich Jr. recommended him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big C Posted September 16, 2019 Share Posted September 16, 2019 5 hours ago, Ethan in Portland said: My hunch is they will extend Hyde. I suspect they think they can find another Poyer in the draft or FA. It is possible, but these guys love each other and work very well together. Depth is always good but I wouldn't be surprised if Poyer's agent in particular is already putting the feelers out for a raise and extension and frankly he deserves a little more. But someone has to walk at some point and you expect Tre, Milano, Edmunds get the big money on D and maybe in that case Poyer walks. We will see how it plays out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPoy88 Posted September 16, 2019 Share Posted September 16, 2019 5 hours ago, Doc said: Hyde I knew would be good. Poyer I was hoping because I figured they saw something in him. Hyde was railing guys when he got in in green bay. He was my favorite non-bills player for two years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted September 16, 2019 Share Posted September 16, 2019 21 minutes ago, JoPoy88 said: Hyde was railing guys when he got in in green bay. He was my favorite non-bills player for two years. Since I am a Green Bay fan (no gear or anything like that) I was advocating Hyde when he was available. This is what I think the Bills front office should do: Ask to meet with both of their agents together during off season. Tell them the Bills think the sum of the parts is more than the pieces, they both are benefiting from defense scheme and they want to give them both extensions but only if they both agree. If they cannot come to agreement then Bills will make sure scouting, both college and pro, keep an eye on safeties which fit scheme who may be available. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted September 16, 2019 Share Posted September 16, 2019 Wait til Levi wants to get paid. I believe he’s exlusive rights free agent next year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apocalypse Nuts Posted September 16, 2019 Share Posted September 16, 2019 Props to the OP for this thread to give Poyer and Hyde their much-deserved respect. I am immensely impressed with both of these guys both on and off the field. They are obviously in the top 10 of the league individually, probably top 3 as a duo. I've seen a little coverage of them in the press but not enough really. The defense is just stacked with young talent though. What a great problem to have! These guys are human and they're gonna make some mistakes like everyone. But I feel really good having both of them back there. Tough as nails both of them. And good dudes. You won't hear about either of these studs getting into stupid scrapes in bars and clubs after hours. Early additions to the D in terms of all the other new blood but really set the tone for hard and smart playing athletes with real brains and guys you can respect off the field too. The salary cap is in so much better shape. They should get paid more and they probably will unless there's some younger blood already here making less $$. But Bean and Co. will probably keep them around a little longer - I hope. Man, it's a damn nice feeling to have those two back there every Sunday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bevis Posted September 16, 2019 Share Posted September 16, 2019 Can't pay both crazy money, and both are getting old. Probably have to pick one, and go with youth at the other position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apocalypse Nuts Posted September 16, 2019 Share Posted September 16, 2019 3 minutes ago, Bevis said: Can't pay both crazy money, and both are getting old. Probably have to pick one, and go with youth at the other position. Definitely. They're not making terrible money right now though given their position and histories before Buffalo. You want to see all these guys get paid their due but they're not spring chickens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted September 16, 2019 Share Posted September 16, 2019 3 hours ago, Distorted One said: Definitely. They're not making terrible money right now though given their position and histories before Buffalo. You want to see all these guys get paid their due but they're not spring chickens. They're both 28 and at the top of their games. I don't think anyone is expecting 8 year deals. Let's win some playoff games before we decide to jettison some of our most valuable players. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted September 16, 2019 Share Posted September 16, 2019 13 hours ago, Hebert19 said: When do we fix that? Hyde has 2 years left after this and poyer 1 but I feel like you get these guys locked up sooner than later as they are heart and soul of this defense. We have the money now...should do sooner than later if you ask me. Would like to see these guys here for next 4 years min. I think they will wait until next year to do anything on either one of these guys especially if they think they can find another player in the draft that is equally as good of a athlete. That is what the league is about use a player in their prime to help the team get where they are going & then negotiate & if that doesn't go well bring in the younger guy to take their place ! The Bills are building really good depth on the team & i hope they can get these guys to stay on as core players because they are both deserving of a good contract but how much do they think they are worth is the question ? I hope & think neither believe they are prima donna's like a certain few in the league do . McD & Beane find good character players which hopefully shows in how they conduct them selves even in the contract phase, work on a good contract for their future but don't pull a Gordon, or other prima donna moves that have happened lately in the NFL ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted September 16, 2019 Share Posted September 16, 2019 Hyde signed a 5 year 30+ million dollar contract that he is not yet half way thru. I extremely doubt they will redo his contract any time soon. Poyer on the other hand could definitely get an extension and bigger $'s in the off season. Putting a chunk of his signing bonus on top of next years salary (which is low) is the way to do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section122 Posted September 16, 2019 Share Posted September 16, 2019 (edited) Poyer had an interview last week I will try to dig up where he was very complimentary of Josh Allen. He stated something along the lines of I hope that is my QB the rest of my career. If Josh can be what we all want him to be some guys will stay for the opportunity to win. Poyer and Hyde are excellent in this system and I hope both stay until the end of their careers. That said I fully trust McD to find and coach secondary players. He did it in Carolina and is continuing that here in Buffalo. Found it: Qoute is about 10 minutes but his whole interview was good (it is from week 1 fyi) Edited September 16, 2019 by section122 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apocalypse Nuts Posted September 16, 2019 Share Posted September 16, 2019 1 hour ago, ColoradoBills said: Hyde signed a 5 year 30+ million dollar contract that he is not yet half way thru. I extremely doubt they will redo his contract any time soon. Poyer on the other hand could definitely get an extension and bigger $'s in the off season. Putting a chunk of his signing bonus on top of next years salary (which is low) is the way to do it. Appreciate the numbers on Hyde. I recall a decent contract to land him but didn't realize it was that nice. The guy is very good and professional so he deserves it. Let's hope they give Poyer his due. I think they will. I'd so much rather they pay him to stay here than see him go get what he's worth somewhere else. Fingers crossed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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