Lurker Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 Not sure this is thread-worthy but it strikes me as amazing that there will be 7-8 new starters on offense this year, including all but one skill position ( I guess Zay would make two if he sticks, although classifying him as skilled is a stretch IMO ). Has any playoff-caliber (we hope!) team ever had so much turnover going into a season? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 (edited) Definitely worth pointing out. We return only Dawkins, DiMarco and JA in their same role on Offense. Thats it. New LG New C New RG New RT New RB1 New RB2 New RB3 New TE1 New TE2 New TE3 New WR1 New Slot Zay, Foster & McKenzie return but down the depth chart. Edited August 31, 2019 by SCBills 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat68 Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 The offense was a complete dumpster fire. 5 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 5 minutes ago, Mat68 said: The offense was a complete dumpster fire. At the start of the season it was but it finished pretty strong. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 New QB too if you figure that Josh wasn’t the starter in Week One. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 This offense NEEDED an enema. All the deadwood has been cleared (well, except Zay). 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmart128 Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 Is Dion Dawkins the only offensive player to start last years week 1 and this years? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted August 31, 2019 Author Share Posted August 31, 2019 1 minute ago, Mr. WEO said: This offense NEEDED an enema. All the deadwood has been cleared (well, except Zay). Absolutely. But has this ever worked to this magnitude for any other team? That's my question... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat68 Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 8 minutes ago, matter2003 said: At the start of the season it was but it finished pretty strong. Because, Allen ran for 100 yards a game. The style of offense at the end of the year was unsustainable. The efficiency was way down. It was handoff on first No gain or loss. Wait for Allen to make a play. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 5 minutes ago, Lurker said: Absolutely. But has this ever worked to this magnitude for any other team? That's my question... Well....we don't know if it has worked yet... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted August 31, 2019 Author Share Posted August 31, 2019 2 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: Well....we don't know if it has worked yet... So, no other comparisons that people can think of?... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Boy Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 Upon seeing this and thinking about the Shady move, the release makes sense. My GUESS is they realize this is still a “ rebuilding” year in terms of the O needing a year to really Gel. Shady is not the future and by next year, with the addition of some more O skill position players, we should be formidable on both sides of the ball. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 29 minutes ago, Lurker said: Has any playoff-caliber (we hope!) team ever had so much turnover going into a season? Who knows when you look at the entire offensive starting positions. From a skills position perspective 20 some years ago the 1999 Rams team comes to mind. Faulk, Warner and Holt were all new starters to the team. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted August 31, 2019 Author Share Posted August 31, 2019 3 minutes ago, HOUSE said: This is horrible, we have nobody left to hate. Zay's still here... 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 Just now, Lurker said: So, no other comparisons that people can think of?... Not off hand. Jets? 49ers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat68 Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 2 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: Not off hand. Jets? 49ers? The Seatle Seahawks. First 4 seasons under Carroll they had the highest turnover in the league. The NO Saints under Payton same thing. Turning a mediocre franchise into something more takes alot of new faces. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 Is this thread the beginning of the Josh Allen excuse campaign? Too many changes? Not enough chance to form "chemistry"? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 (edited) Only one day one starter carries over (unless you count a FB as a starter)... Pretty insane. Edit: Zay Jones makes two i guess. Edited August 31, 2019 by whatdrought Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Boo Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 47 minutes ago, Mat68 said: The offense was a complete dumpster fire. It still may be. We're hanging pretty high hopes on John Brown, Cole Beasley, Singletary and a 2nd year QB. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted August 31, 2019 Author Share Posted August 31, 2019 7 minutes ago, Mat68 said: The Seatle Seahawks. First 4 seasons under Carroll they had the highest turnover in the league. The NO Saints under Payton same thing. Turning a mediocre franchise into something more takes alot of new faces. In ONE season though. That's where I'm coming up dry... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 (edited) 49 minutes ago, Lurker said: Not sure this is thread-worthy but it strikes me as amazing that there will be 7-8 new starters on offense this year, including all but one skill position ( I guess Zay would make two if he sticks, although classifying him as skilled is a stretch IMO ). Has any playoff-caliber (we hope!) team ever had so much turnover going into a season? Not sure about it, but it’s upgrade at every spot Edited August 31, 2019 by Over 29 years of fanhood 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 5 minutes ago, Lurker said: In ONE season though. That's where I'm coming up dry... In retrospect, I wonder if getting rid of Clay was a solid move. Look at the insane gallery of guys they walked though since then---i think there have been 12 or 13. None of those left have proven they area an offensive weapon at TE. 4 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: Not sure about it, but it’s upgrade at every spot TE too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 5 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: In retrospect, I wonder if getting rid of Clay was a solid move. Look at the insane gallery of guys they walked though since then---i think there have been 12 or 13. None of those left have proven they area an offensive weapon at TE. TE too? Fair TE is perhaps but not certain. Good catch. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 58 minutes ago, SCBills said: Definitely worth pointing out. We return only Dawkins, DiMarco and JA in their same role on Offense. Thats it. New LG New C New RG New RT New RB1 New RB2 New RB3 New TE1 New TE2 New TE3 New WR1 New Slot Zay, Foster & McKenzie return but down the depth chart. That just LOOKS wrong! LOL Gotta give them credit, they addressed that side of the ball! Now let’s hope it works! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiotAct Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 Yup. I think you’re going to see a lot of growing pains the first couple of games, but things will start to click by the home opener. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProcessAccepted Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 2 hours ago, matter2003 said: At the start of the season it was but it finished pretty strong. A lot of that was Josh making it happen with his legs 2 hours ago, Nextmanup said: Is this thread the beginning of the Josh Allen excuse campaign? Too many changes? Not enough chance to form "chemistry"? So you've decided on Josh already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreggTX Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 Don't be surprised if it doesn't all come together that quickly. I expect to see gradual improvement as the season progresses. I'm also still very much concerned about the O:, particularly the G position. Spain is the only good G on the roster unless they play Ford at RG. They basically signed an above avg C (Morse), an avg G (Spain) and drafted Ford. If Ford plays G, that will help the interior, but then Nsekhe will play RT and I don't think that's a great situation. Nsekhe is just a backup caliber player, IMO. I'm very excited about both of our rookie TE's, though. In a couple years, we could be seeing an awful lot of those guys. I'm also really excited about Singletary. He must have looked a lot better in camp than he did in preseason for them to release McCoy. Singletary played well in the preseason, but he wasn't all that. Let's see how he does when the games count. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 39 minutes ago, ProcessAccepted said: A lot of that was Josh making it happen with his legs So you've decided on Josh already. By design...ran deep routes with no checkdoens giving him tons of space Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iinii Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 4 hours ago, Lurker said: Absolutely. But has this ever worked to this magnitude for any other team? That's my question... I believe you have asked a very good question and since this thread isn’t a rant full of half cocked pot shots it may not get locked. Democracy and freedom of speech around here seem to be frowned upon. If you don’t Homer Up and toe the party line of OBD’s every move is grand, censorship steps in. This many new faces on one side of the ball doesn’t typically bode well. We shall see if Daboll can make sense of this group but I do believe it is a fair assessment to wonder if too many resources/attention has been allocated to defense. Speculation and hype surrounding Gore/Beasley/Morse is pie in the sky at this point. Until we see points/wins/rings this braintrust is still got plenty to prove. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ComradeKayAdams Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 So far I count only 11 players remaining from last year: QB Allen QB Barkley FB DiMarco WR Jones WR Foster WR McKenzie WR Phillips TE Croom T Dawkins T McDermott G Boettger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 11 minutes ago, iinii said: I believe you have asked a very good question and since this thread isn’t a rant full of half cocked pot shots it may not get locked. Democracy and freedom of speech around here seem to be frowned upon. If you don’t Homer Up and toe the party line of OBD’s every move is grand, censorship steps in. This many new faces on one side of the ball doesn’t typically bode well. We shall see if Daboll can make sense of this group but I do believe it is a fair assessment to wonder if too many resources/attention has been allocated to defense. Speculation and hype surrounding Gore/Beasley/Morse is pie in the sky at this point. Until we see points/wins/rings this braintrust is still got plenty to prove. By my count they brought in a minimum of nine O linemen to upgrade the O line and 4 TEs. Plus the Gore/Beasley/Morse groupyou mention. Rather than the stuff about democracy and that crap, perhaps you could explain why adding a veteran back going to the HOF, a veteran slot WR to give the young QB a short reliable target, and a quality C to anchor the new line is pie in the sky? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 4 hours ago, Nextmanup said: Is this thread the beginning of the Josh Allen excuse campaign? Too many changes? Not enough chance to form "chemistry"? .................................... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffAlone Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 15 minutes ago, KayAdams said: So far I count only 11 players remaining from last year: QB Allen QB Barkley FB DiMarco WR Jones WR Foster WR McKenzie WR Phillips TE Croom T Dawkins T McDermott G Boettger I love you Kay? ya know, because you're so insightful? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iinii Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 8 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: By my count they brought in a minimum of nine O linemen to upgrade the O line and 4 TEs. Plus the Gore/Beasley/Morse groupyou mention. Rather than the stuff about democracy and that crap, perhaps you could explain why adding a veteran back going to the HOF, a veteran slot WR to give the young QB a short reliable target, and a quality C to anchor the new line is pie in the sky? Ever heard of one in the hand is worth two in the bush? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 Just now, iinii said: Ever heard of one in the hand is worth two in the bush? So one Ducasse is worth Long and Feliciano? One Benjamin is worth Beasley and Brown? One Clay is worth the two rookie TEs? This is your stance? Seriously? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iinii Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 9 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: So one Ducasse is worth Long and Feliciano? One Benjamin is worth Beasley and Brown? One Clay is worth the two rookie TEs? This is your stance? Seriously? How about the old adage your are what your record says you are? What they have now is what is in the bush. These guys haven’t proven anything in a Bills’ uni. And you are only proving my point about how any thing that isn’t Rah Rah has to be wrong. So this is the “crap” you spoke of? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nester Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 Good! It was sorely needed 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 1 minute ago, iinii said: How about the old adage your are what your record says you are? What they have now is what is in the bush. These guys haven’t proven anything in a Bills’ uni. And you are only proving my point about how any thing that isn’t Rah Rah has to be wrong. So this is the “crap” you spoke of? The crap is about democracy and being able to post. You’re doing so, no one is stopping you. But if you want to post drivel people are going to challenge it. Of course this team hasn’t proven anything for this season. No team has yet. I still find it amusing that a HOF guy in Gore is to you pie in the sky. As with the other items I mentioned. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iinii Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 8 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: The crap is about democracy and being able to post. You’re doing so, no one is stopping you. But if you want to post drivel people are going to challenge it. Of course this team hasn’t proven anything for this season. No team has yet. I still find it amusing that a HOF guy in Gore is to you pie in the sky. As with the other items I mentioned. You continue to prove my observations. I posited some things and you seem to believe since I appear not to agree I am full of drivel in your sanctimony. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 3 minutes ago, iinii said: You continue to prove my observations. I posited some things and you seem to believe since I appear not to agree I am full of drivel in your sanctimony. The drivel is your claim that the site is undemocratic because you don’t get to post things without people challenging you. That truly is drivel; people challenge stuff I and others post all the time and no one claims there is some assault on democracy. Your other stuff on pie in the sky and that somehow having one lousy player from last year is better than two upgrades? That’s just silly. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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