NoHuddleKelly12 Posted August 24, 2019 Share Posted August 24, 2019 Glad to have this column back—don’t always agree with all of it but you put a lot of effort/time into it and it is much appreciated! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted August 24, 2019 Share Posted August 24, 2019 4 hours ago, qwksilver said: Virgil nice work. I thought the RBs looked good. Yeldon has played his way back on this roster. Agree on Edmunds as well. Daboll's play calling reminded me of the Jauron era. Putrid! It was a nationally televised game. They did nothing to change all the haters minds. Allen Included. They specifically wanted to work on the run game to determine where the RB's were at and who gave them their best OL combination for the running game. When Barkley came in they were passing in order to further evaluate the WR's. Your notion that Daboll's play calling was putrid is simply a misunderstanding of the purpose of the preseason. His play calling was exactly right for what they were trying to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLFan Posted August 24, 2019 Share Posted August 24, 2019 1 hour ago, qwksilver said: I don't want them to go deep in the play either book but Run Run pass is just a waste of time for everyone. How is JA supposed to get into any rhythm? If they didn't care about getting the young QB good reps why was he in the game at all? Just because you were bored with it does not mean it was a waste of time for the team. Not at all. The first team offense had gotten virtually no running game work in the first two games. Josh needs these reps as much as he does the passing reps. Reading the defense, making line calls, controlling the pace, etc. Just keeping his patience faced with difficult down and distance and limited passing opportunities is also a skill to be evaluated. (He failed that one). Certainly the OL and running backs needed this. Although I do not expect this to a normal offensive game plan, there will be times in games, and perhaps even particular weeks, when it will be the game plan. You need to be able to run when when you want to, and convert when you have to. I think we saw what the offense is capable of with the two minutes drill at the end of the half. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSBill Posted August 24, 2019 Share Posted August 24, 2019 5 hours ago, 3rdnlng said: The coaches made those challenges in order to determine how those plays might be called in the regular season. Those plays would not normally be challenged, just like the amount of going for it 4th down won't happen in a couple of weeks. 5 hours ago, 3rdnlng said: Duck, Duck, . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted August 24, 2019 Share Posted August 24, 2019 4 hours ago, Virgil said: To clarify on my RB position. It’s not that I think they played poorly. I just don’t think they did anything exceptional or that any other RB would have done in the same spot. If we are going to pay someone, it needs to be because they play at a higher level than the next guy. In my opinion, from that one game, Singletary could’ve done the same thing with their snaps. But, as always, happy to be wrong First off great rundown of the game. As for our 2 AARP RBs, these 2 guys have had a combined 24 preseason between them. They knocked off the rust yesterday and know how to change gears when the games start to count. As for the money, Shady is in the sunset of his contract and Gore at 2 million is peanuts. If they both can stay relatively healthy I am looking for these 2 to have a fun competitive year between them with both of them making the other better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwksilver Posted August 24, 2019 Share Posted August 24, 2019 38 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said: They specifically wanted to work on the run game to determine where the RB's were at and who gave them their best OL combination for the running game. When Barkley came in they were passing in order to further evaluate the WR's. Your notion that Daboll's play calling was putrid is simply a misunderstanding of the purpose of the preseason. His play calling was exactly right for what they were trying to do. I understand your point. The 3rd preseason game is the one that is supposed to be more regular season than the other 3 (ie some lite game planning and starters play longer). So why work on the run game this week? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan_34 Posted August 24, 2019 Share Posted August 24, 2019 6 hours ago, Mc1320 said: They were horrible last night. Throw by Allen is inexcusable - that is a throw a high school quarterback makes. Not a good throw but man thats some harsh criticism! 5 hours ago, SCBills said: Usually teams dress 7 on the OL. I feel pretty comfortable with: Dawkins - Spain - Morse - Long - Ford Feliciano - Nsehke id rather start Feliciano over Long or Spain, but with Morse being so fragile, I don’t know if they’d risk the backup C, being a starting G? The main worry I have would be with Spain. He hasn’t looked great and might miss some time. How does that effect the 7 we dress Week 1? Of course, Nsehke could/maybe should start, then Ford kicks inside and what do we do for swing tackle? Spain looks way out of shape- even for an O lineman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuckyBoys Posted August 24, 2019 Share Posted August 24, 2019 I have no clue what they were trying to accomplish last night. I'm not buying they wanted to work on run blocking crap You can pass on first or second down and still run block on other downs Early on it felt like they were trying to put Allen into third and long on purpose on every drive. Then why have Barkley throw all over the field in the 2nd half? Giving the two old vets all those carries seems like showcasing for trade value. Do Gore and Shady any touches in pre season? Stupid throw by Allen.........again! I'd start coaching the receivers to stop breaking back across his body to not even tempt him to make these type of dumb plays. Pass rush will be the weak ***** in the Bills defense again. They had a chance to swallow Stafford on one play and I saw at least two whiffs by pass rushers Bills lack the edge guy to take over a game or make teams adjust their play calling. Edmunds was awesome, Milano to me doesnt look back 100%,,,,yet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formerly Allan in MD Posted August 24, 2019 Share Posted August 24, 2019 Allen quickly admitted that he made a mistake with that throw. It's learning and experience. McCoy is fine. He doesn't need penalties in front of him to negate that proof. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted August 24, 2019 Share Posted August 24, 2019 3 minutes ago, DuckyBoys said: I have no clue what they were trying to accomplish last night. I'm not buying they wanted to work on run blocking crap You can pass on first or second down and still run block on other downs Early on it felt like they were trying to put Allen into third and long on purpose on every drive. Then why have Barkley throw all over the field in the 2nd half? Giving the two old vets all those carries seems like showcasing for trade value. Do Gore and Shady any touches in pre season? Stupid throw by Allen.........again! I'd start coaching the receivers to stop breaking back across his body to not even tempt him to make these type of dumb plays. Pass rush will be the weak ***** in the Bills defense again. They had a chance to swallow Stafford on one play and I saw at least two whiffs by pass rushers Bills lack the edge guy to take over a game or make teams adjust their play calling. Edmunds was awesome, Milano to me doesnt look back 100%,,,,yet Maybe you should read and listen then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaryPinC Posted August 24, 2019 Share Posted August 24, 2019 The entire direction reffing is taking is counterproductive to the game. The PI challenge is so stupid. Give the ref in the booth or NY authority to stop the game and review the play if something egregious is missed like for NO last season. Maybe even only in the last 5 minutes of each half. We're getting OCD about every call and it just kills the game flow. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted August 24, 2019 Share Posted August 24, 2019 7 hours ago, Virgil said: ... 4 - I like to eat, eat, eat, apples and bananas ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNNMknj0PyE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaw66 Posted August 24, 2019 Share Posted August 24, 2019 Nice job, Virgil. I haven't cranked up my efforts for the year. I agree a lot about Edmunds. He was a different player last night for last December. He's impressive closing on the run, and he's impresave on pass defense. The rest of his game sucks. I disagree about the running backs. I saw great burst from McCoy. Yes, he just took what he got, but he also made subtle moves to get the most out of each. I saw good power from Gore after contact. I think running back will be a strength for the Bills. I thought the starting d line was great against the run. I thought they got decent pressure. Gotta remember that most d lines get good pressure only some of the time. I've been a Duke fan since the day the Bills signed him. Thanks again. I like your work. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stank_Nasty Posted August 24, 2019 Share Posted August 24, 2019 29 minutes ago, Shaw66 said: Nice job, Virgil. I haven't cranked up my efforts for the year. I agree a lot about Edmunds. He was a different player last night for last December. He's impressive closing on the run, and he's impresave on pass defense. The rest of his game sucks. I disagree about the running backs. I saw great burst from McCoy. Yes, he just took what he got, but he also made subtle moves to get the most out of each. I saw good power from Gore after contact. I think running back will be a strength for the Bills. I thought the starting d line was great against the run. I thought they got decent pressure. Gotta remember that most d lines get good pressure only some of the time. I've been a Duke fan since the day the Bills signed him. Thanks again. I like your work. Looking forward to the “rockpile review”... especially the one after a 3-1 start with a decisive home win over the Pats! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuckyBoys Posted August 24, 2019 Share Posted August 24, 2019 12 minutes ago, Stank_Nasty said: Looking forward to the “rockpile review”... especially the one after a 3-1 start with a decisive home win over the Pats! 3-1 with a win vs the Pats I'll take it but gotta ask which one they lose Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted August 24, 2019 Share Posted August 24, 2019 4 hours ago, qwksilver said: I don't want them to go deep in the play either book but Run Run pass is just a waste of time for everyone. How is JA supposed to get into any rhythm? If they didn't care about getting the young QB good reps why was he in the game at all? There are other players beside Allen that need to develop rhythm as well. Like the OL and TEs run blocking, which was not featured in the first two games... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted August 24, 2019 Share Posted August 24, 2019 1 hour ago, DuckyBoys said: 3-1 with a win vs the Pats I'll take it but gotta ask which one they lose Knowing this franchise, probably the Bengals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stank_Nasty Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 4 hours ago, DuckyBoys said: 3-1 with a win vs the Pats I'll take it but gotta ask which one they lose I think they lose in New Jersey on of those first 2 weeks. Dunno which. Then come home and win vs cincy and finally nut up against the pats week 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Behindenemylines Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 Thanks for all your work with this. It’s the first post I goto after every game! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 ...good work Virgil...was never a fan of the Barkley signing, due to his well traveled, lackluster career and pre-draft hype......as a result of seeing where he is now as a solid backup, I'm defrosting the crow this minute for dinner at 5PM.......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 Nice work, Virgil ... I can't say I watch preseason games that closely, so I appreciate your insight. Minor comments/quibbles: - I think McCoy showed more burst Friday night than he did all season in 2018. I think it's likely he's lost a step or two, but I found his performance in limited action encouraging. - Gore looks like the same old Frank Gore. Which is a good thing. - I like McKenzie as that extra WR/return guy, which makes me wonder ... - ... was it really necessary to sign Andre Roberts? I think they'll take a significant cap hit if they cut him this year, so I imagine he'll stay. McKenzie is younger and at this point offers more upside. Fumble-itis is the sole reason Denver cut him, but sometimes that gets better (too soon to tell) - are we sure that the O line is significantly better than last year's? I mean, if Morse is there and healthy, it has to be. But if he's not? John Miller signed for more than Jon Feliciano. I'm not saying he's better, but it does suggest there was a stronger market for Miller. Ryan Groy may make the roster of a much better offense, the Saints. I'm not saying he's better than Long, but ... we went with a slew of middling, mostly aging guys to fill in for previously middling, mostly aging guys (Ducasse, Bodine). I'm not being unduly pessimistic here in saying that I'm not sold on the significant upgrade, particularly after watching Friday's game. Health has a lot to do with it, but lots of fans seem a bit too optimistic about what guys like Feliciano, Long, and Nsekhe can realistically do ... a lot depends on you, Cody Ford ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing Bong Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 Very good news about Edmunds. I haven't been paying too much attention to preseason for the blue balls but Edmunds would probably be a development I'd watch the closest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreggTX Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 I sure hope you're right about Edmunds. I was decidedly unimpressed with him last year, but he has the physical attributes to be great. Personaly, I think he needs a bigger mean streak. Oh, and I'm a strawberry and banana guy, myself. Next time you feel like dessert, dice a banana and apple. Stir in a bunch of yogurt and pour some granola on top. Yum... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyC81 Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 On 8/24/2019 at 7:46 AM, RochesterLifer said: First off, great synopsis. Good read and quality thoughts. Thank you! I think Allen's performance itself showed us precisely why he was out there. He needs to become comfortable operating within the flow of the game. He needs to be able to perform while handing it off 75% of the time. The stupid (and it was) throw across his body provides a teachable moment. The two minute drill TD re-enforces the good and increases confidence. Whether he's the star or we're grinding it out with the run, he just needs to continue his development with awareness, discipline and readiness. He needed to be in there for game three and benefitted from it. C’mom, he admitted it was a stupid throw later in the sideline interview, and with his big arm, there will be plays he thinks he can make just like Kelly and Favre did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted August 31, 2019 Author Share Posted August 31, 2019 I stand by number 8 ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RevWarRifleman Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 Thanks Virgil for the time you put in on your posts. I read them all and look forward to the "real games" starting next week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fansince88 Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 6 hours ago, Virgil said: I stand by number 8 ? I guess we will find out. I was a trade Shady guy back last spring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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