Pine Barrens Mafia Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 2 minutes ago, Dablitzkrieg said: My point is that you can gauge how good a team is based on the QB they have. Gauge it, not necessarily define it. I strongly disagree. We can agree to disagree The Packers say hi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 Pats, that’s all I’ve got. No guarantee that they wouldn’t get swept in a home & home series with one of the other teams, but I sure wouldn’t bet on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshAllenHasBigHands Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 1 minute ago, Dablitzkrieg said: My point is that you can gauge how good a team is based on the QB they have. Gauge it, not necessarily define it. I strongly disagree. We can agree to disagree If QBs are THAT important, explain to me why Aaron Rodgers hasn't won a suberbowl in 7 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dablitzkrieg Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 Just now, Joe in Winslow said: The Packers say hi Are you seriously that simple-minded not to understand what I'm saying? ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 3 minutes ago, Dablitzkrieg said: Are you seriously that simple-minded not to understand what I'm saying? ? The exercise here, in case you misread the title is to name five TEAMS that could beat the Bills 2x in a year. Not QBs. You have some seriously BAD teams with decent QBs on your list. My contention is that they would lose a two-game set with the Bills, ALL of those bolded teams. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshAllenHasBigHands Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 4 minutes ago, Dablitzkrieg said: Are you seriously that simple-minded not to understand what I'm saying? ? Its the logical extension of what you are saying. Me and Joe separately came to the same conclusion. That is super telling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 15 minutes ago, Dablitzkrieg said: I'm talking about QB's, the most important position on the field. That wasn't the question posed. Start your own thread if you want to compare QBs. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dablitzkrieg Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 1 minute ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said: Its the logical extension of what you are saying. Me and Joe separately came to the same conclusion. That is super telling. I am looking at it as a guide. You can generally predict good/great teams by their QB. If you think that the Bills are just going to sweep 2-game sets as Joe says with those bolded team, it's not going to happen. I draw that conclusion based on QB play. I understand other aspects are important to the team. My point is that you can successfully predict, for the most part, what teams will be good based on who their QB. The premise of the entire thread was "name me 5 teams better than the Bills". A generally very optimistic, yet borderline delusional way of looking at the NFL, especially considering we are only halfway through the preseason. Just now, oldmanfan said: That wasn't the question posed. Start your own thread if you want to compare QBs. I named many teams that could be better than the Bills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 1 minute ago, Dablitzkrieg said: I named many teams that could be better than the Bills. At least five of which are demonstrably NOT on a team level. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dablitzkrieg Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 2 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said: At least five of which are demonstrably NOT on a team level. I hope you're right. Go Bills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 1 minute ago, Dablitzkrieg said: I hope you're right. Go Bills I know I am. Go Bills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 I would answer the OP by saying there is no team in the NFL the Bills could not beat on any given Sunday home or away. Do I think Dallas beats Buffalo 9 out of 10 times in Dallas on a short week? Yes. But I also think the Bills can win in Dallas if they get a few breaks. Eagles game is probably a loss 9 out of 10 too. Conversely I think Bills win at the Giants 8 out of 10 times but I can see a scenario where they run down our throats like Saints and Patriots have done in year's past. The first two games will decide the season. 2-0 and they make playoffs, 0-2 and McD will be fired in December. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinky finger Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 7 hours ago, HamSandwhich said: Love the enthusiasm and optimism but how do we know? We’ve only seen preseason. If we were perennial winners, maybe this would be an easier question, but we’ve still got to prove ourselves when it counts. Love what I see so far but I’ve got to pump the breaks on preseason optimism. Yeah, yeah we know. It’s not criminal to predict. Jeez - relax. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HamSandwhich Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 3 minutes ago, inaugural balls said: Yeah, yeah we know. It’s not criminal to predict. Jeez - relax. I didn’t realize I was fired up. Thanks for letting me know. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 22 minutes ago, Dablitzkrieg said: I am looking at it as a guide. You can generally predict good/great teams by their QB. If you think that the Bills are just going to sweep 2-game sets as Joe says with those bolded team, it's not going to happen. I draw that conclusion based on QB play. I understand other aspects are important to the team. My point is that you can successfully predict, for the most part, what teams will be good based on who their QB. The premise of the entire thread was "name me 5 teams better than the Bills". A generally very optimistic, yet borderline delusional way of looking at the NFL, especially considering we are only halfway through the preseason. I named many teams that could be better than the Bills. Could be is not terribly firm. Every team in the league could be better, every team in the league could be worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshAllenHasBigHands Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 19 minutes ago, Ethan in Portland said: I would answer the OP by saying there is no team in the NFL the Bills could not beat on any given Sunday home or away. Do I think Dallas beats Buffalo 9 out of 10 times in Dallas on a short week? Yes. But I also think the Bills can win in Dallas if they get a few breaks. Eagles game is probably a loss 9 out of 10 too. Conversely I think Bills win at the Giants 8 out of 10 times but I can see a scenario where they run down our throats like Saints and Patriots have done in year's past. The first two games will decide the season. 2-0 and they make playoffs, 0-2 and McD will be fired in December. I asked this above, but didn't get an answer. Why does everyone think the Cowboys are so good? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dablitzkrieg Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 (edited) 10 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: Could be is not terribly firm. Every team in the league could be better, every team in the league could be worse. I'm sure you'll get over it. I'm not 100% certain that there is a team in the league that you can guarantee 2 wins. This is the NFL, not college and even in college, upsets occur. Edited August 21, 2019 by Dablitzkrieg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngbills Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 NFL - The 32nd team could be the best team on any given Sunday. That does not mean they are top 5. The Bills should be clearly not a top 5 team at this point. Top 16 is a stretch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustWinPlease Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 8 hours ago, HOUSE said: I was looking at teams around the NFL, can you name 5 NFL teams CLEARLY better then the Buffalo Bills. If the Buffalo Bills played the below teams twice ( home & away) the Bills would lose both. Maybe I am a BIG HOMER but I can't come up with 5. Go for it......the Patriots, Steelers and Browns are not on my list Arizona Cardinals Atlanta Falcons Baltimore Ravens Carolina Panthers Chicago Bears Cincinnati Bengals Cleveland Browns Dallas Cowboys Denver Broncos Detroit Lions Green Bay Packers Houston Texans Indianapolis Colts Jacksonville Jaguars Kansas City Chiefs Los Angeles Chargers Los Angeles Rams Miami Dolphins Minnesota Vikings New England Patriots New Orleans Saints New York Giants New York Jets Oakland Raiders Philadelphia Eagles Pittsburgh Steelers San Francisco 49ers Seattle Seahawks Tampa Bay Buccaneers Tennessee Titans Washington Redskins Wow, some serious kool-aid drinking going on here... The Bills aren't even a top-10 team...they still have major holes and question marks throughout the roster, including QB, WR and offensive line. I'd take the Patriots, Rams, Chiefs, Seahawks, Steelers, Eagles, Saints, Bears, Packers, Colts, Browns, and Chargers, over the Bills at the moment. It's the same thing every single summer. Everyone looks great, the media loves us, we won the offseason, etc. Until the Bills prove it and win, I'll remain skeptical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark80 Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 2 hours ago, row_33 said: the Steeler love? them seeming to have at the worst a decent team basically every season since 1972.... https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/pit/ they get benefit of the doubt. Well, with that logic if you look at the Bills history you could say that we are not better than 25 of the teams! The Steelers would not beat us with a home/home schedule twice with the current rosters. In the last 2 years they've lost the best RB in the league, the best WR in the league and one of the best MLB in the league while the Rapist gets another year older. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 Name 25 teams better than the Buffalo Bills. Now THAT'S a challenge! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
78thealltimegreat Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 Bills are getting there but I’d say Chiefs Rams Pats Saints Cowboys Colts(with a healthy Andrew Luck) We don’t have the linebackers, oline, or receiving corps of Dallas but I definitely think we are in the conversation with the Eagles, Steelers, and Bears Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiotAct Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 Patriots Colts Chiefs Cowboys Saints Rams Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 Chargers (not without James Bosa and Gordan) Chiefs (Interesting to see if they fall back on O) Steelers (If Ben gets hurt...toast) Patriots (If old man Tom gets hurt they stink) Colts (If Luck is out no way) Saints at the dome only Rams (Not the same team without elite Gurley) Vikings (If Cousins plays well) These teams I feel I can say with near 100 percent confidence are better than us. That's it. But notice their caveats. I think those are the elite but they are a bad break from being bad teams. I like our chances if we had to turn to Barkley. No not that we'll win the SB but I still think we can be competitive. I'm not saying we're as good as them or better than 2/3 of the league. I just think if we stay healthy we have just as good a shot as any team to win the WHOLE THING. Obviously....I'm expecting several guys on this team to make huge leaps this season in order for me to be in this place of optimism. Let's freaking go!!!!!!!!!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted August 21, 2019 Author Share Posted August 21, 2019 1 hour ago, RiotAct said: Patriots Colts Chiefs Cowboys Saints Rams Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cle23 Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 2 hours ago, Joe in Winslow said: The exercise here, in case you misread the title is to name five TEAMS that could beat the Bills 2x in a year. Not QBs. You have some seriously BAD teams with decent QBs on your list. My contention is that they would lose a two-game set with the Bills, ALL of those bolded teams. Most of the bolded teams would lose a two-game set with Buffalo? Most of the teams have more proven quarterbacks ambetter skill-position players. Buffalo's defense should be good, but many of those teams have decent defenses as well. Which of those teams that you bolded you consider bad? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 1 minute ago, cle23 said: Most of the bolded teams would lose a two-game set with Buffalo? Most of the teams have more proven quarterbacks ambetter skill-position players. Buffalo's defense should be good, but many of those teams have decent defenses as well. Which of those teams that you bolded you consider bad? All of them, that's why I bolded them. They all have significant weaknesses. From Houston's OL, to Cleveland's coaching, to San Fran's brittle QB, to the Jets absolutely decimated LBS, OL and DBs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
from_dunkirk Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 (edited) 10 hours ago, HOUSE said: I was looking at teams around the NFL, can you name 5 NFL teams CLEARLY better then the Buffalo Bills. If the Buffalo Bills played the below teams twice ( home & away) the Bills would lose both. Maybe I am a BIG HOMER but I can't come up with 5. Go for it......the Patriots, Steelers and Browns are not on my list Arizona Cardinals Atlanta Falcons Baltimore Ravens Carolina Panthers Chicago Bears Cincinnati Bengals Cleveland Browns Dallas Cowboys Denver Broncos Detroit Lions Green Bay Packers Houston Texans Indianapolis Colts Jacksonville Jaguars Kansas City Chiefs Los Angeles Chargers Los Angeles Rams Miami Dolphins Minnesota Vikings New England Patriots New Orleans Saints New York Giants New York Jets Oakland Raiders Philadelphia Eagles Pittsburgh Steelers San Francisco 49ers Seattle Seahawks Tampa Bay Buccaneers Tennessee Titans Washington Redskins Thanks for listing all 31 other teams. I would not have known them otherwise. ? Edited August 21, 2019 by from_dunkirk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted August 21, 2019 Author Share Posted August 21, 2019 9 hours ago, nucci said: this is the title of the post.... Name 5 teams better then the Buffalo Bills Yes and to prove your team is better you need to beat Buffalo twice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 2 hours ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said: I asked this above, but didn't get an answer. Why does everyone think the Cowboys are so good? I don't think are great. But in Dallas on Thanksgiving and against that run game Dallas would win most of the time. The front 7 with McD has been vulnerable to giving large numbers of yards on the ground. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 Any team with a proven elite to close to elite quarterback so..... Packers, Patriots, Chiefs, Eagles, Steelers, Chargers, Seahawks, Falcons, and Saints. I'll add the Rams even though I think Goff is more of a product of the system than an elite QB. I hesitate to put the Colts ahead of us because of Luck's ongoing battles with injuries. The Browns have to show me before I believe the hype. If Josh Allen can have a Wentz like breakout season this year then we'll start talking the Bills being in the Superbowl conversation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 5 teams better THAN the Bills. WTF! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted August 21, 2019 Author Share Posted August 21, 2019 1 hour ago, Nextmanup said: 5 teams better THAN the Bills. WTF! OMG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Boo Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 Cowboys Eagles Chiefs Patriots Rams 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Plastic Cup Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 Ahhhhh.....late August. The last chance for the delusional to fully spread their wings and fly!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cle23 Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 34 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said: All of them, that's why I bolded them. They all have significant weaknesses. From Houston's OL, to Cleveland's coaching, to San Fran's brittle QB, to the Jets absolutely decimated LBS, OL and DBs. Buffalo doesn't have weaknesses? QB (could be solved)? OL? WR? Pass rush? Every team has weaknesses. And Cleveland is a bad TEAM because of a new coaching staff? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted August 21, 2019 Author Share Posted August 21, 2019 2 hours ago, from_dunkirk said: Thanks for listing all 31 other teams. I would not have known them otherwise. ? I am always here to help 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manther Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 9 hours ago, Gugny said: Dallas Green Bay Kansas City LA Rams Patriots Saints Eagles Steelers Seahawks Then ... Bills. That’s a good list 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manther Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 5 hours ago, Dablitzkrieg said: I love your optimism, considering they haven't even finished the preseason and you clearly have no clue about the other teams in the NFL. Look at the QB's on all 31 of the other teams. I compare them to what Allen was last year. That is a good gauge. That being said, here is the list I have: Atlanta Falcons Carolina Panthers Chicago Bears Cleveland Browns Dallas Cowboys Detroit Lions (push) Green Bay Packers Houston Texans Indianapolis Colts Kansas City Chiefs Los Angeles Chargers Los Angeles Rams New England Patriots New Orleans Saints New York Jets (push) Philadelphia Eagles Pittsburgh Steelers San Francisco 49ers Seattle Seahawks That puts us in the back half of the league. I think that is incorrect. I think we are between 10-15 to START the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Mantis_Toboggan Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 KC NE Dallas LA LA Saints Colts Eagles Vikings Those are the teams I think are most likely to have better records by the end of the year teams likely on par with Buffalo- Falcons Browns Ravens Panthers Bears Texans Titans Seahawks Packers Steelers Raiders Lions Jags Teams they are almost definitely better than- Fins Jets Bengals Cards Niners Redskins Giants Bucs Broncos This was a 6 win team last year, while they definitely have the potential to surprise a lot of people, it’s an up hill battle still for sure... people are getting carried away with their expectations because there has been progress with the process, but’s it’s still mid-process. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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