Chandler#81 Posted August 21, 2019 Author Share Posted August 21, 2019 1 hour ago, Putin said: It’s really SAD how pathetic espn has become and this has nothing to do with This article or the Bills in general, espn USED to be my ( BY FAR ) favorite channel in the 90’s with Chris B Stuart Scott and the company, now the only way I’ll watch espn is maybe if the Yankees are on that’s IT , My sentiments exactly. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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machine gun kelly Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 13 hours ago, Chandler#81 said: https://www.newyorkupstate.com/buffalo-bills/2019/08/buffalo-bills-sean-mcdermott-most-likely-to-get-fired-after-disastrous-season-says-espn.html The Hate is Real. Still, anticipation and expectations are at an all time post ‘99 high. What happens if our record is worse than last year? How far has ESPN fallen? Chandler, they have fallen to the basement. I will not read or watch ESPN. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted August 21, 2019 Author Share Posted August 21, 2019 31 minutes ago, machine gun kelly said: Chandler, they have fallen to the basement. I will not read or watch ESPN. Never thought I’d feel that way about it. Never. But I’m with ya. I’m done with ESPN. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuvian Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 the offseason is just long enough to give idle sportswriters time to conjure fake news on every team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCofNC Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 4 hours ago, BillsVet said: McD is 10-15 since that start in 2017 and over those games his team has been outscored by almost 200 points. Not to mention, 8 of those 15 losses were blowouts. PF / PA 2017: 151-244 (weeks 7 thru 17) 2018: 269-374 People also tend to forget that at the 2018 mid-season, Buffalo's offense was among the league's worst since rule changes to favor passing were implemented in 1978. Through 9 games they'd scored all of 96 points. In most cities, being .500 or within 1 win and missing the playoffs in year 3 gets you fired. Despite the track record, I doubt T/K Pegs would fire McD. They want to avoid the hiring process given the HC hires for both their teams. I agree, I have been saying it quite a bit, this team gets destroyed on a pretty regular basis.. That should not happen. New England loses some games, but its very rare they are severly beaten down. The team lost by 2td or more 4 times last year alone and most of the wins were by a score or less. The talent is weak, I get it. BUT, back to a great coach, which should be the goal, NE has had some horrible Defensive teams and a lot of scrap heap offensive players too and they are the undisputed king of football.. I haven't seen any indication McClappy is taking this team anywhere great. If they hit bottom again, he should go. If he fufills every homer's dream and wins the division, then Im happy to be wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 I haven't watched ESPN or used anything related to them. They are so bad I don't even know were they get their viewers from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian Bills Fan Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 I actually think he gets an extension after this season 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yard Monkey Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 The title made me just pay $19 for Wi-Fi on my international flight as I saw it right before taking off and couldn’t pull up the post before losing cell coverage. Now see it was a bull#### ESPN article. Thanks for that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 20 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: To be fair, a lot of that was due to Peterman.... but at the same time the defense did start terribly out the gate the first two weeks of the season and Peterman was McBeanes decision. At this point the team just isn't filled with many game changers. They have a few solid players, but no real elite game changing type of players. And had they paid attention they would have known Peterman has been gone for nearly a year. Gruden should be fired for bringing him in as a viable BU Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fr. Jerk Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 Gotta give McDermott at least 4 seasons, IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCofNC Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 16 minutes ago, The Jerk said: Gotta give McDermott at least 4 seasons, IMO. I think they will, but I also feel the days of "rebuilding" are dead, everyone is expected to perform NOW. That applies to players, coaches, front office. There isn't a 4 year window anymore. Qbs are thrown in the fire, might be given 2 years to be pretty solid with a lot if promise, used to be 3 years was supposed to be the "start" of success. Examples like the Eagles and the Rams have made it appear you csn turn a team from mediocre to Superbowl teams in a year. Obviously, its not that easy, but it doesn't change the perception. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 6 hours ago, BillsVet said: McD is 10-15 since that start in 2017 and over those games his team has been outscored by almost 200 points. Not to mention, 8 of those 15 losses were blowouts. PF / PA 2017: 151-244 (weeks 7 thru 17) 2018: 269-374 People also tend to forget that at the 2018 mid-season, Buffalo's offense was among the league's worst since rule changes to favor passing were implemented in 1978. Through 9 games they'd scored all of 96 points. In most cities, being .500 or within 1 win and missing the playoffs in year 3 gets you fired. Despite the track record, I doubt T/K Pegs would fire McD. They want to avoid the hiring process given the HC hires for both their teams. Over the last 2 years buffalo has had basically - a bottom 5 offense. Teams like that typically win like 3 games. So to have made the playoffs - proves to me that this guy has some chops. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted August 21, 2019 Author Share Posted August 21, 2019 11 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: He comes off as a good defensive coach who struggles to understand offense. Just a lot of head scratching offensive personnel moves since hes arrived here. and undisciplined players, and blowout losses and 1-11 in challenges. Head (scratching) Coach. All the talk about Allen taking a big step this year is secondary to Sean taking a big step, imo. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 (edited) 17 hours ago, Augie said: When you take ESPN and add math, you get something worse than Lima beans. No thank you. That must be what the plus in ESPN+ means. Edited August 21, 2019 by Over 29 years of fanhood 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
May Day 10 Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 10 hours ago, NJKBillsfan said: What if we finish 6-10? 6-10 and McDermott/Beane are still solid/safe IMO. I sense the Pegulas intend on sticking with management of both the Sabres and Bills for more than the typical 3 year window as they are exhausted with firing people. They also want to try the whole 'continuity' thing in practice. I think they absolutely planned on hanging onto Housley as late as February, but the Sabres went into a spectacularly bad slide in the last 1/4 of the season, losing like 17 of 18 games and only winning like 5 in regulation after New Year's or something like that. There was no choice but to can Housley. IMO, it would take a really bad season. Like 1-4 wins, along with a major public blowout/tune-out of the players and/or falling out with ownership. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinky finger Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 3 hours ago, Chandler#81 said: Never thought I’d feel that way about it. Never. But I’m with ya. I’m done with ESPN. what took so long? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinky finger Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 35 minutes ago, Chandler#81 said: and undisciplined players, and blowout losses and 1-11 in challenges. Head (scratching) Coach. All the talk about Allen taking a big step this year is secondary to Sean taking a big step, imo. Disagree. It's all about Allen, IMO. The team's success depends greater on a bigger leap from JA as opposed to SM. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinky finger Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 (edited) 15 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said: I look at Sean McVay. Took over a 4-12 team and they won 7 more games. He took over a garbage offense and a qb people were calling a bust (why it’s so stupid to make concrete judgments about a qb after a year) and made it one of the best offenses in the nfl. I dont think there are many coaches who do this. I’d put regular season Reid, Belichick obviously, and Sean Payton. I think McDermott is a borderline great DC. But he has been a disaster at fielding an offense and definitely has a very conservative coaching style. Well he has his qb so there are no excuses. Additionally, I think how much of a step backwards it would be to start over with a new coach. I think if hey hired an offensive head coach and kept a 4-3, I dont think there would be much if any steps back. But hopefully this is all moot because SM does seem like a great guy. But as the last Jauron defender on earth (the fact he got 7 wins out of that talent is amazing!), being a nice guy in the nfl only gets you so far. It seems there's a common thread between the coaches you've listed and their Qbs. Two of these QBs are sure fire HOfers and all time greats. The other two are bright young studs with unlimited future potential for success. As you mentioned, you'd take "regular season" Reid. I would too. Why hasn't he gotten over the hump? He hasn't had the game changer at QB. Ever. Good coaching is good. A good coach with a game changing QB becomes great. If the Chiefs go ahead and win a SB with Reid and Mahomes leading the way, what do you suppose the narrative would be? Was BB a noted offensive mind before TB. No, of course not. He sure as hell seems like one now, doesn't he? I question just how good a coach Sean Payton actually is. With Brees, I'd expect more than just one SB. My question to you was what is an elite coaching style. Your answer never mentions anything about coaching style. Here's my point. If the Bills should win a SB(s) with McDermott and JA, will it be because SM changed or acquired a winning "style" or, more likely, because they have found the difference making QB? Edited August 21, 2019 by inaugural balls 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dablitzkrieg Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 I think it's because they play Jay-Z during practice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullBuchanan Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 18 hours ago, Chandler#81 said: https://www.newyorkupstate.com/buffalo-bills/2019/08/buffalo-bills-sean-mcdermott-most-likely-to-get-fired-after-disastrous-season-says-espn.html The Hate is Real. Still, anticipation and expectations are at an all time post ‘99 high. What happens if our record is worse than last year? How far has ESPN fallen? "Is Buffalo Bills head coach Sean McDermott on the hot seat entering 2019? In a word-No." So...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinky finger Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 1 hour ago, ScottLaw said: He comes off as a good defensive coach who struggles to understand offense. Just a lot of head scratching offensive personnel moves since hes arrived here. And if it all comes together with this group, this year and into the future, will it be because he finally "gets it" or because the QB? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocket94 Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 The Josh Allen talk has cooled slightly, so now McDermott's turn. Who's next? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albany,n.y. Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 The only McDermott the Bills are firing is Conor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 51 minutes ago, Rocket94 said: The Josh Allen talk has cooled slightly, so now McDermott's turn. Who's next? Beane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocket94 Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 (edited) 7 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said: Beane. Great...a trifecta! All Beane is guilty of is trying to make the the Bills relevant again. Edited August 21, 2019 by Rocket94 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 5 hours ago, DCofNC said: I agree, I have been saying it quite a bit, this team gets destroyed on a pretty regular basis.. That should not happen. New England loses some games, but its very rare they are severly beaten down. The team lost by 2td or more 4 times last year alone and most of the wins were by a score or less. The talent is weak, I get it. BUT, back to a great coach, which should be the goal, NE has had some horrible Defensive teams and a lot of scrap heap offensive players too and they are the undisputed king of football.. I haven't seen any indication McClappy is taking this team anywhere great. If they hit bottom again, he should go. If he fufills every homer's dream and wins the division, then Im happy to be wrong. Why do all haters say this, like it makes being such a downer all okay? So if the Bills win a Super Bowl you'll be a bigger man and come around? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocket94 Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 7 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said: Why do all haters say this, like it makes being such a downer all okay? So if the Bills win a Super Bowl you'll be a bigger man and come around? As evidenced, Beane is not afraid to augment this roster with some impact free agents or trades. We can see what he is trying to do. When the right opportinity presents itself, He will act. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 1 hour ago, Rocket94 said: The Josh Allen talk has cooled slightly, so now McDermott's turn. Who's next? ......make it simple...fire McDermott now and send the Jets a 1st for Gase........ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocket94 Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 1 minute ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ......make it simple...fire McDermott now and send the Jets a 1st for Gase........ Please don't give anybody any ideas! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EasternOHBillsFan Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 14 hours ago, ScottLaw said: And then they are more often than not, spot on about the Bills..... just have to prove it, FOR ONCE, on the field. Go win games. No they aren't spot on. Two years ago, when we made the playoffs, we were NEVER even close to being mentioned as a better team. Last year was a throwaway year because the media knew we were in cap hell and had a rookie QB in the mix and starting Peterman, another new guy. Even during the Super Bowl days we got the short shrift, and Miami almost always getting the nod over us to win the division. The media has NEVER given us enough credit, nor will they. There is an inherent bias towards other teams and lazy predictions based on last years results. Sure we have a couple of supporters out there, but let's face it, a majority are going to dump on us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCofNC Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 18 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said: Why do all haters say this, like it makes being such a downer all okay? So if the Bills win a Super Bowl you'll be a bigger man and come around? I'm not a believer in McD, not a downer. I'm pumped for the season, hopeful the jump comes and we get to enjoy the post season in a real way this year. My personal opinion is McD has done a hot pile of nothing so far. He has continually struggled with clock management, in game decisions, challenges and in game adjustments ( though in theory we can blame coordinators for that, I still blame their boss for not calling for them). He seems to be great at building a culture and reasonably good at defensive scheming, particularly with the secondary. His incompetence in recognizing offensive talent lead to No Maholmes or Watson, Zay over Juju and leaves us still begging the question, is Allen THE man or are we looking at more mediocrity for the media to beat on? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 6 minutes ago, DCofNC said: I'm not a believer in McD, not a downer. I'm pumped for the season, hopeful the jump comes and we get to enjoy the post season in a real way this year. My personal opinion is McD has done a hot pile of nothing so far. He has continually struggled with clock management, in game decisions, challenges and in game adjustments ( though in theory we can blame coordinators for that, I still blame their boss for not calling for them). He seems to be great at building a culture and reasonably good at defensive scheming, particularly with the secondary. His incompetence in recognizing offensive talent lead to No Maholmes or Watson, Zay over Juju and leaves us still begging the question, is Allen THE man or are we looking at more mediocrity for the media to beat on? If you ignore all the positives and progress the team has made, then you are correct. He's done nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 This thread title should read something like “ McDermott most likely to be fired ?”.... Could be considered misleading to be fair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCofNC Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 2 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said: If you ignore all the positives and progress the team has made, then you are correct. He's done nothing. I'm sorry, but one seasonal blip where the ball ALWAYS bounced your way somehow, and you won a couple extra games does. It spell progress when the next year you returned right back to mediocre. Blame it on the QB, but HE MADE THE CALL on starting Peterman and not bothering to hold on to McCarron. That forced the rookie who wasnt supposed to play into the spot light and it was his D that got blown out 4 games of the season.. Culture, yes he has something going. Results, no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocket94 Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 No one is more "Spot On" about the Bills than the Bills community. Over the years, the Bills have taken us to the precipice and back and we have seen it all. Outsiders (who we can count on to misinform us anyway) sit back and base everything on trends and statistics, popularity etc. When the Bills start consistently winning again, it may shut them up for awhile, but thats the way it will always be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 (edited) 8 minutes ago, DCofNC said: I'm sorry, but one seasonal blip where the ball ALWAYS bounced your way somehow, and you won a couple extra games does. It spell progress when the next year you returned right back to mediocre. Blame it on the QB, but HE MADE THE CALL on starting Peterman and not bothering to hold on to McCarron. That forced the rookie who wasnt supposed to play into the spot light and it was his D that got blown out 4 games of the season.. Culture, yes he has something going. Results, no. You can carry a sign with all that during the Super Bowl parade. 22 minutes ago, DCofNC said: I'm pumped for the season I bet you are. Edited August 21, 2019 by PromoTheRobot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCofNC Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 6 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said: You can carry a sign with all that during the Super Bowl parade. I bet you are. I'll buy your beer at the parade if it comes under McD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 This team is as good as or better at every single position than last season. The only way McDermott goes 4-10 is if the entire 91 goes on strike. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pennstate10 Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 This guy Burke is a true idiot. His entire article is based upon a false premise--if Bills go 4-12. Thats like me writing an article stating if Brian Burke gets seen receiving oral sex from a tranny hooker in a bathroom on Chipewa Street then he has a 98% likelihood of being fired. Whereas if the same scenario were applied to Jerry Sullivan he'd only have a 94% chance of being fired. Probably because he doesnt have a real job. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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