Rock-A-Bye Beasley Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Warcodered said: I'm more worried about the depth at OT we lose NSekhe and who goes in if Dawkins or Ford go down? That’s depth. Clowney would most likely start. Also, be honest. Did you even know who Ty Nsekhe was 3 months ago? Edited August 14, 2019 by Chemical Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 25 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said: Tim Graham, jw and Nate Geary all just asked their Bills sources about Clowney trade and were either laughed at or told nothing brewing. Doesn’t mean it’s not happening but more grist for rumors. I’m waiting for Rapsheet to say the trade is happening before I believe it’s truly off the table 2 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steptide Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 Take it for what it's worth, sorry if already posted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 4 minutes ago, nucci said: because you can always get better And you can get worse by trading away a guy who could have helped you on offense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 Just now, MJS said: And you can get worse by trading away a guy who could have helped you on offense. you could Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jpsredemption Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 Quit referencing crap sources. Happens all too often around here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 Just now, Jpsredemption said: Quit referencing crap sources. Happens all too often around here. So you’re saying I shouldn’t give any credence to this post whatsoever? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rock-A-Bye Beasley Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 1 minute ago, MJS said: And you can get worse by trading away a guy who could have helped you on offense. I love offense and this version of the Bills has been historically bad at it, but c’mon, Ty Nsekhe? He’s old and who is he? We could trade shaq or Murphy for a backup tackle. Or sign one off the street like we did for Ty or the Spaniard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 Clowney would make me so sad if they gave up anything for him. Shaq lawson will have more sacks this year. Bookmark it. Clowney is going to get top 5 defensive end money for top 25 or lower production. We already have guys on the line good at stopping the run Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 1 minute ago, Chemical said: I love offense and this version of the Bills has been historically bad at it, but c’mon, Ty Nsekhe? He’s old and who is he? We could trade shaq or Murphy for a backup tackle. Or sign one off the street like we did for Ty or the Spaniard. Sorry. That's just wrong. 1 minute ago, Rc2catch said: Clowney would make me so sad if they gave up anything for him. Shaq lawson will have more sacks this year. Bookmark it. Clowney is going to get top 5 defensive end money for top 25 or lower production. We already have guys on the line good at stopping the run Lawson isn't even the starter. That's not going to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenorthremembers Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Rc2catch said: Clowney would make me so sad if they gave up anything for him. Shaq lawson will have more sacks this year. Bookmark it. Clowney is going to get top 5 defensive end money for top 25 or lower production. We already have guys on the line good at stopping the run I would gladly take that bet. You're comparing a guy who plays all over the field in 83% of his teams defensive snaps, to a rotational defensive end who cant beat out Trent Murphy. Clowney may not be the best in the game, but he is a hell of player who does a ton more than just rush the passer. He is better in every facet of the game than Lawson. Edited August 14, 2019 by thenorthremembers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 (edited) There goes Sam Darnold .. Edited August 14, 2019 by HOUSE 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 1 minute ago, MJS said: Lawson isn't even the starter. That's not going to happen. Starter means nothing on this defense. They rotate in, one guy gets hot he gets more reps. And Murphy isn’t exactly an Ironman out there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rock-A-Bye Beasley Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 2 minutes ago, MJS said: Sorry. That's just wrong. Lawson isn't even the starter. That's not going to happen. Care to elaborate? I could say the same about your post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulus Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 2 minutes ago, Rc2catch said: Clowney would make me so sad if they gave up anything for him. Shaq lawson will have more sacks this year. Bookmark it. Clowney is going to get top 5 defensive end money for top 25 or lower production. We already have guys on the line good at stopping the run I'm kind of with you. Are the Jets going after Clowney? If anything, I'd guess a WR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProbablyWrong Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 Anyone up for a three-way trade where we end up with Clowney and Trent Williams? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 (edited) I think Brandon Beane would laugh, There is SOMETHING UP EVERY DAY during preseason ' Edited August 14, 2019 by HOUSE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 2 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said: I would gladly take that bet. You're comparing a guy who plays all over the field in 83% of his teams defensive snaps, to a rotational defensive end who cant beat out Trent Murphy. Clowney may not be the best in the game, but he is a hell of player who does a ton more than just rush the passer. He is better in every facet of the game than Lawson. Clowney is also always hurt, may suit up but not always effective. You want to give that guy 100 million? Shaq and Murphy can match the same production clowney gives you at a tiny fraction of the price. He’s not a game changer like Mack or Lawrence or someone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 1 minute ago, Chemical said: Care to elaborate? I could say the same about your post. I was going to but thought it better not to argue. There is a real deficiency at tackle in this league. Thinking we can just go out and sign a guy off the street or trade for a backup and think that will be good enough is not true. Nsekhe (and every other quality linemen) was signed right when free agency opened. Who do you think is out there on the street who could replace him? 1 minute ago, Rc2catch said: Clowney is also always hurt, may suit up but not always effective. You want to give that guy 100 million? Shaq and Murphy can match the same production clowney gives you at a tiny fraction of the price. He’s not a game changer like Mack or Lawrence or someone Well now you are throwing the starter AND his backup in the mix to match Clowney. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 1 minute ago, MJS said: I was going to but thought it better not to argue. There is a real deficiency at tackle in this league. Thinking we can just go out and sign a guy off the street or trade for a backup and think that will be good enough is not true. Nsekhe (and every other quality linemen) was signed right when free agency opened. Who do you think is out there on the street who could replace him? And if there was someone out there the Texans would of signed them up already instead of trading for one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rock-A-Bye Beasley Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 3 minutes ago, MJS said: I was going to but thought it better not to argue. There is a real deficiency at tackle in this league. Thinking we can just go out and sign a guy off the street or trade for a backup and think that will be good enough is not true. Nsekhe (and every other quality linemen) was signed right when free agency opened. Who do you think is out there on the street who could replace him? Who do you think will be starting for the Bills at tackle when they win the super bowl? Ty Nsekhe? I don’t know a name but I know for a FACT you didn’t know who Ty Nsekhe was very recently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 (edited) I will say this about ICB...he has utterly destroyed Albright several times now and shown proof on things he was right about. He just recently broke the news on Golden Tate before anyone had it even as Albright mocked it and said to disregard it. No one sharing rumors is gonna have a high degree of accuracy because even if there was truth in it, doesn’t mean the rumor still comes to fruition. Like the AB stuff...it was legit rumor even though Bills didn’t ultimately make the trade. Which is why mainstream guys don’t report them until they are believe are close to final. They don’t want to risk credibility. So still need to take with a grain of salt, but it would also be foolish to disregard ICB all together as he has been right before. Edited August 14, 2019 by Alphadawg7 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 1 minute ago, Chemical said: Who do you think will be starting for the Bills at tackle when they win the super bowl? Ty Nsekhe? I don’t know a name but I know for a FACT you didn’t know who Ty Nsekhe was very recently. Offensive linemen are difficult to follow unless you follow the team they are on. You're right, I don't make it a point to know every offensive linemen and their backups for all 32 NFL teams. But when the Bills sign a guy I look into them. And I believe the guys who DO know about linemen around the league when they say he is a good player. My knowledge of offensive linemen has nothing to do with anything. You're claiming that because many Bills fans didn't know about him that it proves he is a bad player? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boca BIlls Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 1 hour ago, SDubills said: From what I've seen, hes been mostly accurate. Take with a grain of salt I guess. Possibly. If so, remove thread No, he isn't. Sadly you got tricked though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBillsFanSince1973 Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbillievable Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 Doesn't Clowney play the same position as Jerry Hughes? Who's going to sit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 Just now, unbillievable said: Doesn't Clowney play the same position as Jerry Hughes? Who's going to sit? I don’t think it’s against the rules to have 2 starting defensive ends. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbillievable Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 4 minutes ago, DaBillsFanSince1973 said: That article says the people who started this rumor were " trolls impersonating real reporters" or "smaller upstart Twitter accounts". Which one is Incarcerated Bob? 2 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: I don’t think it’s against the rules to have 2 starting defensive ends. Neither one can play R DE (except on passing downs), unless it's to replace Lo Alexander at LB in the base defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 And to be clear, ICB never said Clowney, or even a trade for that matter. Everyone else filled in that narrative with assumptions because Ty report earlier and the Texans reported desire for an OT. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenorthremembers Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 14 minutes ago, Rc2catch said: Clowney is also always hurt, may suit up but not always effective. You want to give that guy 100 million? Shaq and Murphy can match the same production clowney gives you at a tiny fraction of the price. He’s not a game changer like Mack or Lawrence or someone He has missed 1 game in the last two years. In that same time period Murphy has missed 19, and Lawson has missed 7. So yes, I'd take him in that situation. You have to remember Clowney is playing in a defense where he is playing both on and off the ball linebacker at times. No he isn't a game wrecker like Mack, but who is besides Mack? The going rate for pass rushers is 20 million a year, you're going to end up someone that. If I have to pay someone 10% of my overall salary cap who plays the 2 or 3 most important position in football, I do it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsfaninChicago Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 This is just in ICB FAKING NEWS! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBillsFanSince1973 Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, unbillievable said: That article says the people who started this rumor were " trolls impersonating real reporters" or "smaller upstart Twitter accounts". Which one is Incarcerated Bob? not surprising. twitter account link below @incarceratedbob Edited August 14, 2019 by DaBillsFanSince1973 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 (edited) 5 minutes ago, unbillievable said: That article says the people who started this rumor were " trolls impersonating real reporters" or "smaller upstart Twitter accounts". Which one is Incarcerated Bob? Neither one can play R DE (except on passing downs), unless it's to replace Lo Alexander at LB in the base defense. Clowney can play on either end on either down. Hughes can play there on passing downs. He's done that before. BTW...I wasn't trying to be a dick...just a smart ass. Edited August 14, 2019 by Royale with Cheese Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 1 minute ago, thenorthremembers said: He has missed 1 game in the last two years. In that same time period Murphy has missed 19, and Lawson has missed 7. So yes, I'd take him in that situation. You have to remember Clowney is playing in a defense where he is playing both on and off the ball linebacker at times. No he isn't a game wrecker like Mack, but who is besides Mack? The going rate for pass rushers is 20 million a year, you're going to end up someone that. If I have to pay someone 10% of my overall salary cap who plays the 2 or 3 most important position in football, I do it. Hey I get it, I’m not calling the guy a bad player. I just think it’s a bad move to add him to this defense and fork over all that money. They have built a solid foundation and that’s where the big bucks are gonna go the next few years. It’s only my opinion that clowney on this defense is not going to be a bigger impact than what’s currently here and would not equal out to more wins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbillievable Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 We're talking about replacing two starters (Alexander and Nsekhe), losing a high/mid draft pick, and probably paying 100million for Clowney. I'm a fan, and think he's the 2nd best player on the Texans, but I'm not sure it's a good idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 2 minutes ago, unbillievable said: We're talking about replacing two starters (Alexander and Nsekhe), losing a high/mid draft pick, and probably paying 100million for Clowney. I'm a fan, and think he's the 2nd best player on the Texans, but I'm not sure it's a good idea. I wouldn’t even worry about it right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbillievable Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 9 minutes ago, DaBillsFanSince1973 said: not surprising. twitter account link below @incarceratedbob If you put out "Pro Bowl WR" and "Drug test" in a tweet every off-season, you'll get a bite half the time. It's the same trick psychics use, putting out vague, highly probable, assumptionse, then allow the suckers to fill in the blanks. ... did anyone even guess it was Golden Tate? because when I think "pro-bowl WR," he doesn't even register without a google search. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 2 hours ago, MJS said: Isn't this guy full of crap? Like all the time? Yes. The fact that people STILL, after all these years, believe in the many-times-discredited IncarceratedBob is amazing to me. Someone even once did an entire ARTICLE exposing the dude. People still buy into his "throw darts at a wall, don't include any hard details, claim victory if you're right, delete Tweet if you're wrong" strategy. HALF his followers are bots who attack you if you question him. After that, he outright blocks you. Say it with me now: IncerceratedBob IS A FAKE!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 outonprobationBill says there is no truth to this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil The Thrill Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 Keep in mind that people with ACTUAL sources in Buffalo have turned this rumor down including Timmy Graham and John Wawrow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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