Phil The Thrill Posted July 23, 2019 Author Share Posted July 23, 2019 58 minutes ago, JESSEFEFFER said: That home loss week 14 was a strange game. The Bills looked to be the better team for most of it. Darnold hit a 37 yard pass with less than 2 minutes to play, one of two impressive plays all game and then Josh threw his second bad pick of the game. The Jets ST really dominated on KR and the Bills had a FG miss and one blocked. What that means for 2019 probably amounts to very little. Agree....it was weird. I didn’t think Darnold played so great until the 4th quarter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GETTOTHE50 Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 Bills got the better o-line, defense, coaching staff, and hopefully special teams. Jets have us on skill positions, but they can be dealt with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 36 minutes ago, GETTOTHE50 said: Bills got the better o-line, defense, coaching staff, and hopefully special teams. Jets have us on skill positions, but they can be dealt with. The skill positions are negated by the Bills' secondary. And we'll see if Bell can do that hesitation thing with the Jets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 (edited) Going by position units QB - Similar RB - Jets WR - Similar TE - Similar OL - Bills DL - Similar LB - Similar Secondary - Bills Edited July 23, 2019 by SCBills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan in Chicago Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 2 hours ago, Phil The Thrill said: Which is why I said after 1 season I give Darnold the edge over Allen but I can agree that Josh has more upside. Also so as I stated above, I think I was wrong about Crowder, and yes I give the nod to Beasley. But the rest I stand by. I think it’s clear that Bell is better than Shady. Anderson is better than Foster...way better than Zay Jones. So, after these changes to your initial post, do you still think that the Jets as an overall team, is better than the Bills ? Which is your post's title. Comparing 4-5 players (of which the most important one may be equivalent) does not equate to comparing the overall teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ol Dirty B Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 As a fan of course i would say the Bills. If you're being objective at this point I don't know how you say it's anything other than a toss up. Both teams have made a lot of moves to improve and none of us know whether they will work out. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 I think they'll be pretty similar record wise, that is if all the egos for the Jets can stop from imploding for a year (which is not a given). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 6 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: Yep. I have Bills 8-8 and Jets 10-6. I'd be very surprised if the Jets win more than 9 games. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GETTOTHE50 Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 7 minutes ago, MJS said: I'd be very surprised if the Jets win more than 9 games. Im capping them at 7. Gase and that Oline is going to kill em Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan in Chicago Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 39 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: Yep. I have Bills 8-8 and Jets 10-6. Seriously? How about a small bet? $5 says the Bills end the regular season with a better record than the Jets Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RocCityRoller Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 (edited) Toss up, I was called out as a 'Jets lover' for earlier posts. Other than C I think they have a solid team. NYJ added Bell, Osemele, CJ Mosely, Catanzaro, draft picks. Bills and Jets in the 7-9 to 9-7 bracket. Can be 10-6 if one can get the advantage on the other. Other than C I think they have a solid team. I think Buffalo adding Morse helps JA more than Jets adding Osemele helps Darnold. Morse calls out OL coverages, JA smart enough to understand it and calls match-ups with an improved WR and RB corps. NYJ WR and RB may be a bit better, but schemes and protections now lean Buffalo. Is JK JK without Kent Hull? Edited July 23, 2019 by RocCityRoller 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 3 hours ago, JESSEFEFFER said: That home loss week 14 was a strange game. The Bills looked to be the better team for most of it. Darnold hit a 37 yard pass with less than 2 minutes to play, one of two impressive plays all game and then Josh threw his second bad pick of the game. The Jets ST really dominated on KR and the Bills had a FG miss and one blocked. What that means for 2019 probably amounts to very little. Yeah. That was the one game last season that was "stolen" from the Bills. There are things to dislike about McDermott, but his record in contested games is very UnBillsy. That was an anomaly during his two year stint. I don't think we were aggressive enough offensively OR defensively. Seemed to be sitting on that slight lead hoping it would hold up. Have to be proactive. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billspro Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 6 hours ago, Phil The Thrill said: Makes no sense... on paper the Jets have better skill players and you can make an argument that they have the better QB. Still I don’t see how Adam Gase is suddenly going to go from a bum in Miami to a great coach in NYJ. But we’ll see They do, we have a better oline, front 7, and secondary though. I think both QBs will do well this year. Unfortunately for them their skill position players won’t lead to lore wins. I’m glad we prioritized the lines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 The Bills if only for coaching alone. I think Gase will destroy that island of misfit toys 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commish Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 I heard the Cosell interview - consistently one of the best guests on One Bills Drive - I thought his breakdown of Allen was uncharacteristically sloppy in that he did not discuss Allen's progress during the year, culminating in the week 17 game. The analysis of Allen's short-comings seemed focused on the first half of the season - nor was he challenged on this point by Murphy. I have at other times heard Cosell much more complimentary about Allen and I would guess that - if pressed - Cosell would say that Allen roughly equals Darnold at this point, obviously with different skill-sets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 Bills. Jets , new coaches and systems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 11 hours ago, Phil The Thrill said: Makes no sense... on paper the Jets have better skill players and you can make an argument that they have the better QB. Still I don’t see how Adam Gase is suddenly going to go from a bum in Miami to a great coach in NYJ. But we’ll see Your threads make no sense at this time of year. It’s like asking who is a worse poster, Phil the Thrill or Billy White Shows. It’s all conjecture at this point. Please stop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 I think they are really closely matched, both talented but inperfect teams who should be in the playoff hunt for a wildcard. Quarterbacks - push OL - Bills TE - Jets WR - Jets RB - Push (give Jets the edge in terms of starter but think Bills have more depth) DL - Jets LB - Bills CB - Bills S - Push Coaching - Bills 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsrhody Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 11 hours ago, Rc2catch said: I can get the points and debate for the top 4 but nobody who watches or follows football would ever agree crowder is better than Beasley. That’s gotta be a joke right I dont get win don’t get why everyone is so confident that Beasley is better than Crowder.. the open market decided the opposite considering Crowder got more guaranteed money (17 mil) over 3 years than Beasley got in 4 (14 mil). Maybe if someone brought some facts to the table. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 Coaching alone will cost the Jets at least 3 games this year. Gase seemed to be a good OC in Denver, where he had Manning, but has been extremely underwhelming as a HC. That being said I think we have the better overall roster. Our defense is a tick above theirs and we have better talent on our OL. The Jets will be looking up at us in the standings when it is all said and done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 15 minutes ago, Billsrhody said: I dont get win don’t get why everyone is so confident that Beasley is better than Crowder.. the open market decided the opposite considering Crowder got more guaranteed money (17 mil) over 3 years than Beasley got in 4 (14 mil). Maybe if someone brought some facts to the table. Slightly different styles of slot reciever - Beasley is a chain mover Crowder is more of a potential home run hitter from the slot. I think that is a very tight call between the two - Crowder is four years younger and that plays in to what they got paid in guarantees. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 22 minutes ago, Billsrhody said: I dont get win don’t get why everyone is so confident that Beasley is better than Crowder.. the open market decided the opposite considering Crowder got more guaranteed money (17 mil) over 3 years than Beasley got in 4 (14 mil). Maybe if someone brought some facts to the table. It's the c.biscuiit fallacy. Overpaid=/= quality Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 8 hours ago, MJS said: I think they'll be pretty similar record wise, that is if all the egos for the Jets can stop from imploding for a year (which is not a given). One of the problems is that the two biggest egos are the HC (Gase) and the DC (Gregggggg). I envision Buddy Ryan/Kevin Gilbride fisticuffs on the Jets' sideline at some point this season. Coaching will doom that team. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WideRightRevenge Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 Josh & the Bills Eviscerate This Squad .. twice this year Coached by this guy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 it looks like you can't mention one team right now without the other. even on a jets team analysis on sirius, they went way out of their ways to make the bills comparison. i like the bills coaching much more at this point. nothing about playing a gase led team has ever worried me as a fan. as already said, we all know it will mostly come down to qb play this season. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 14 hours ago, Phil The Thrill said: Makes no sense... on paper the Jets have better skill players and you can make an argument that they have the better QB. Still I don’t see how Adam Gase is suddenly going to go from a bum in Miami to a great coach in NYJ. But we’ll see Sorry that you failed to see the message. Let me be more blunt than usual Screw the JETS. They will never be better than the Bills. JETS Suck Suck Suck Gase? Gase? Gase had a decent QB in Tannehill and Jay Ajayi and he couldn't keep the team competing repeatedly. 9 minutes ago, teef said: it looks like you can't mention one team right now without the other. even on a jets team analysis on sirius, they went way out of their ways to make the bills comparison. i like the bills coaching much more at this point. nothing about playing a gase led team has ever worried me as a fan. as already said, we all know it will mostly come down to qb play this season. (now help me stand back up) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 2 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said: Gase had a decent QB in Tannehill I am no Gase defender, I think he is a poor Head Coach, but Tannehill is definitely not a decent QB. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 Allen / Darnold McDermott / Gase White, Poyer, Hyde / whatever the NYETS have Lawson, Edmunds, Hughes, Lorax, and Milano / whatever the NYETS have Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 2 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: I am no Gase defender, I think he is a poor Head Coach, but Tannehill is definitely not a decent QB. how many not a decent QB types manage to beat NE** so often in South Florida? Were they all flukes? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 3 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: Theres nothing worrisome about Gase, but he has beaten BB twice and has pretty much the same winning % as McDermott to this point so you could argue the same about McDermott. They are very similar teams. Week 1 will be interesting. i really don't like the same winning percentage nonsense. it's like one poster said it, now a handful of people parrot it back. it's just not a good measure. mcd's record suffers because of last year, (and i'm not giving anyone a pass) but gase has already failed as a head coach, and our staff is really in the show me moment of it's tenure. it's not a good comparison at this point. on top of that, why not compare them head to head? i think the mcd lead bills are 3-1 againts gase's dolphins, so mcd is better straight up against gase. i don't think that a great measure, but i also don't know why you choose to ignore it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacGyver Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 (edited) 12 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said: Allen / Darnold McDermott / Gase White, Poyer, Hyde / whatever the NYETS have Lawson, Edmunds, Hughes, Lorax, and Milano / whatever the NYETS have How is Allen above Darnold right now? Makes no sense other than homerism... Edited July 23, 2019 by MacGyver 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 3 minutes ago, teef said: i really don't like the same winning percentage nonsense. it's like one poster said it, now a handful of people parrot it back. it's just not a good measure. mcd's record suffers because of last year, (and i'm not giving anyone a pass) but gase has already failed as a head coach, and our staff is really in the show me moment of it's tenure. it's not a good comparison at this point. on top of that, why not compare them head to head? i think the mcd lead bills are 3-1 againts gase's dolphins, so mcd is better straight up against gase. i don't think that a great measure, but i also don't know why you choose to ignore it. excellent point my friend Most of the NFL thinks the Bills suck big time and need many rears of rebuilding. How many great coaches started out with worse records than McDermott? I could easily say say more than a handful. For Christs Sake, he got us to the playoffs with Tuhrod Freaking Taylor!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 9 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said: how many not a decent QB types manage to beat NE** so often in South Florida? Were they all flukes? New England don't like playing there. Don't know if it is the humidty or what but they stuggle in Miami. I think there and Denver are Brady's two worst stadiums statistically. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 Just now, MacGyver said: How is Allen above Darnold right now? Makes no sense other than homerism... Based on my "limited knowledge" I like Allen much better than I do Darnold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 1 minute ago, ShadyBillsFan said: excellent point my friend Most of the NFL thinks the Bills suck big time and need many rears of rebuilding. How many great coaches started out with worse records than McDermott? I could easily say say more than a handful. For Christs Sake, he got us to the playoffs with Tuhrod Freaking Taylor!!! i understand that some choose to be outraged by last year, and let's face it...it didn't go well. i was expecting that and was willing to put up with it in hopes that this year it finally comes together. the record with mcd last year isn't a good measure as who he is as a coach for me. this is the year i think we'll really know who we have. if there's no significant progress this season, we're likely screwed. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 1 minute ago, GunnerBill said: New England don't like playing there. Don't know if it is the humidty or what but they stuggle in Miami. I think there and Denver are Brady's two worst stadiums statistically. You can do better than that Gunner. (Well, I guess not living here may be why you missed these) How do they fair in Tampa and Jacksonville? Nashville is as oppressive with humidity as South Florida? Early September in DC and Baltimore and Philly can all get oppressive with humidity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 (edited) 21 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said: White, Poyer, Hyde / whatever the NYETS have Their safeties are equally excellent. I think in terms of duos that have proven it on the field it is the Vikings pair (Harris and Smith), the Jets pair (Adams and Maye) and our pair (Hyde and Poyer) as a top three and I can see the arguments for each as being #1. That said if Earl Thomas is the Earl Thomas of old then he and Tony Jefferson in Baltimore should be pretty spectacular. Edited July 23, 2019 by GunnerBill 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan in Chicago Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 19 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: Sure.?? Cool! It's on! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 Just now, ShadyBillsFan said: You can do better than that Gunner. (Well, I guess not living here may be why you missed these) How do they fair in Tampa and Jacksonville? Nashville is as oppressive with humidity as South Florida? Early September in DC and Baltimore and Philly can all get oppressive with humidity. I don't know the reason... but the Patriots struggle at Miami. And that pre-dates Tannehill being there. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 3 minutes ago, teef said: i understand that some choose to be outraged by last year, and let's face it...it didn't go well. i was expecting that and was willing to put up with it in hopes that this year it finally comes together. the record with mcd last year isn't a good measure as who he is as a coach for me. this is the year i think we'll really know who we have. if there's no significant progress this season, we're likely screwed. Beyond the Petetman failure the next biggest mistake was keeping Derek Anderson as the #2. Sure, no one was thrilled with Barkley, but he put DA to shame. Maybe just maybe those 2 games could have made a difference in the WC hunt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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