Jets fire GM Mike Maccagnan, name Adam Gase interim GM

[dave mcbride]

30 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

Awesome piece. I'm loving this whole story.

[YoloinOhio]

 

[NoHuddleKelly12]

At this rate, the mood inside MetLife Stadium on 9/8/19 might go a little something like this?

 

[Heitz]

14 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

 

From that article:

 

Quote

In 2017, the Bills weren’t far off from this. After Sean McDermott was hired to replace Rex Ryan, then-GM Doug Whaley, who stuck around during free agency and that offseason’s NFL draft, was fired right after the draft.

Sounds a bit like this week, no?

Actually, that’s right. No it does not sound familiar and nor should it for Bills fans.

 

What about to Bills "fans"? ? 

 

Pretty clear that Buffalo had a plan whereas the Jets do not seem to.

[whatdrought]

1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

 

That's a pleasure to read when given the context... 

[teef]

3 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

The similarities are their between Pegula and Johnson.

 

Two indecisive owners who aren't the most knowledgeable and competent sports guys in the world. 

 

I think Pegula wanted to keep Whaley aboard and then changed his mind after the hire of McDermott. 

 

Typically franchise hires their GM before their HC. ?

dude, you're just trying too hard now.  

[ddaryl]

6 minutes ago, Heitz said:

 

From that article:

 

 

What about to Bills "fans"? ? 

 

Pretty clear that Buffalo had a plan whereas the Jets do not seem to.

 

 

Well in the Jets defense it took us about 20 years to formulate that "clear" plan

 

having the right GM Coach combo is as crucial a finding a franchise QB.  It taking the Pegulas multiple tries with the Sabres and the Bills and they are only hoping their latest Sabres change is the one there. At least they finally go it right for the Bills so I have hope of seeing that eventually repeating with the Sabres.. I am hopeful on Krueger, Boterill worries me though...

5 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

The similarities are their between Pegula and Johnson.

 

Two indecisive owners who aren't the most knowledgeable and competent sports guys in the world. 

 

I think Pegula wanted to keep Whaley aboard and then changed his mind after the hire of McDermott. 

 

Typically franchise hires their GM before their HC. ?

 

  

I see the Pegulas as learning as they go. I'm very happy with the state of the Bills moving forward..  I can also see what they are striving for with both franchises and although it hasn't been as smooth as we would like I still strongly believe they will get both franchises firing well. When they get the right combos they'll stick with them and stability / Consistency will follow.

 

No worries at all.. Just patience mnixed in with impatient frustrations but not worried as they will get it right and they will lock it in when they do.

[whatdrought]

35 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

 

Couple things that he didn't touch on: 

 

The Bills were headed for a rebuild... The Jets are supposed to be coming out of one. 

 

There wasn't a power struggle, there was a neutered GM who was kept as a figure head and then let go immediately. I'm sure Whaley knew it was coming, either by direct mention from Terry, or by figuring it out.

 

And, the biggest difference: 

 

We weren't handing the keys to the building to a retread coach who has never accomplished anything, just spent the past three years fighting for power and ruining the roster of a division rival, and has a horrible interpersonal reputation in the league. 

Edited May 16, 2019 by whatdrought

[ColoradoBills]

7 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

The similarities are their between Pegula and Johnson.

 

Two indecisive owners who aren't the most knowledgeable and competent sports guys in the world. 

 

I think Pegula wanted to keep Whaley aboard and then changed his mind after the hire of McDermott. 

 

Typically franchise hires their GM before their HC. ?

 

I think that right after McDermott was hired that Brandon Beane was the target for GM.

Beane was already destined to be the new Bills GM before Whaley was actually fired IMO.

If Gettleman was fired earlier in the off season then Beane may have stayed in Carolina.

When it got to March or so I think his (Beane) decision to move up to Buffalo was made.

It was too close to the draft for the move to be made.

 

I truly believe McDermott and Beane discussed this possibility before McDermott was even hired.

 

[YoloinOhio]

1 minute ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

I think that right after McDermott was hired that Brandon Beane was the target for GM.

Beane was already destined to be the new Bills GM before Whaley was actually fired IMO.

If Gettleman was fired earlier in the off season then Beane may have stayed in Carolina.

When it got to March or so I think his (Beane) decision to move up to Buffalo was made.

It was too close to the draft for the move to be made.

 

I truly believe McDermott and Beane discussed this possibility before McDermott was even hired.

 

It’s almost a guarantee that they did... they interviewed as a package deal for the Niners before McD took the Bills job (they had both jobs open at the same time unlike the Bills)

[stuvian]

I thought I read that McCanagan forced Gase to accept Bowles' assistants who were still under contract 

[ndirish1978]

1 hour ago, teef said:

dude, you're just trying too hard now.  

 

Trolls gonna troll. If you want to stop hearing stuff from this guy, just put him on ignore. Hard to troll if no one is listening...

[YoloinOhio]

Possible replacements for Mccagnan: Scott Pioli, who stepped down from Asst GM role in Atlanta today, and Dir of Player Personnel Joe Douglas in Philly who worked with Gase for 1 year in Chicago, 

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

5 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

...and Dir of Player Personnel Joe Douglas in Philly who worked with Gase for 1 year in Chicago, 

You’ve got Johnson as the owner, ‘At home with the psycho’ Gase, and the NYC/NJ media and fan base.  Might as well name Joe Dirt to the position.

[teef]

49 minutes ago, ndirish1978 said:

 

Trolls gonna troll. If you want to stop hearing stuff from this guy, just put him on ignore. Hard to troll if no one is listening...

I like Scotty to much to put him on ignore. It just wouldn’t seem right. 

[Just Joshin']

7 minutes ago, teef said:

I like Scotty to much to put him on ignore. It just wouldn’t seem right. 

It will keep your BP down.

 

I am OK with an alternate take.  What is tiresome is the constant droning, one note negativity.  Let's disagree but have a positive side on occasion.

[eball]

[LSHMEAB]

3 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

Possible replacements for Mccagnan: Scott Pioli, who stepped down from Asst GM role in Atlanta today, and Dir of Player Personnel Joe Douglas in Philly who worked with Gase for 1 year in Chicago, 

How does Pioli continue to get new jobs? And they say COACHES get recycled.

[GreggTX]

This is strange because the Jets have had an excellent offseason. Looks like a power grab.

[Nihilarian]

10 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

From what I've read it was Peyton Manning calling the Jets to endorse Gase is what got him hired by NY in the first place.

 

Not sure I get the love for the guy by Manning as it couldn't have been too difficult to coach the Broncos offense with Manning at QB. Didn't Denver promote Gase after Mike McCoy was hired to be HC of the Chargers in 2013? Gase worked for two seasons as Denver's OC and then followed Denver's HC John Fox after he was fired to Chicago.

 

That 2015 Bears offense was only ranked at 23rd in PF,  21st in yards. So, I don't get the hiring of Gase as HC of the Miami Dolphins either? I almost wonder if Manning made a call to the Dolphins owner too.  Does Adam Gase have some wild-eyed compromising photos of Manning? 

 

 

 

I just don't get it! The new HC/GM of the NY Jets he went 23 -25 as HC of the Dolphins. While he does now have an intriguing coaching staff at NY with Gregg Williams at DC and ex-Lions HC Jim Caldwell as OC.  I'd be more inclined to hire Williams or Caldwell as HC over Gase.

 

[eball]

14 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

Pegulas intentions are there, but to this point he's demonstrated a whole hell of a lot of cluelessness as owner, much like the Johnsons in NY.

 

What is inaccurate about that statement?

 

Look at the mess that are the Buffalo Sabres. 

Don't disagree.

 

The Sabres are still trying. They have been a tire fire. 

 

If Allen pans out they'll be fine, even if McBeane can't figure it out someone else will when you have a franchise QB.

 

Dude you are so confused and damaged right now I don’t know what to say. Lately you’ve been contradicting yourself in almost every post. It’s a comedy of errors. The Bills will be fine if Allen pans out, but who maneuvered to get him? The guy you have no confidence in. The Pegulas are “clueless” but what have they really done besides hiring people and attempting to let them do their jobs, all the while significantly upgrading the facilities to protect and attract players? They made a bad decision to trust Brandon when hiring Rex. Really, that’s the only thing Bills-related one could look back upon and attach the word “clueless” to...and they weren’t the only ones fooled. 

 

Why don’t you give the Bills a break for a while and come back to enjoy the season once it has started. Do you really think folks around here want to hear “I’ll believe it when I see it” and “McBeane hasn’t done anything yet” every time they read a post of yours? It would be great to see you contribute to this forum in some sort of meaningful way. 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

5 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

The similarities are their between Pegula and Johnson.

Two indecisive owners who aren't the most knowledgeable and competent sports guys in the world. 

I think Pegula wanted to keep Whaley aboard and then changed his mind after the hire of McDermott. 

Typically franchise hires their GM before their HC. ?

 

You may think that, but guys with some inside gouge (namely, one John Wawrow) have flat out said about the Rex post-firing presser:

"Before that press conference, Whaley had a future in the (Bills) organization.  After that press conference, he didn't"

 

(paraphrased, I can't find the post, but pretty durn close to what Wawrow actually wrote)

[Mr. WEO]

Jets are still only half the mess that is the Arizona Cardinals

[whatdrought]

4 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

You may think that, but guys with some inside gouge (namely, one John Wawrow) have flat out said about the Rex post-firing presser:

"Before that press conference, Whaley had a future in the (Bills) organization.  After that press conference, he didn't"

remind me what happened?

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

5 hours ago, teef said:

dude, you're just trying too hard now.  

 

LMAO.....he makes trolls look friendly...bet he hates his mail man and garbage collector.......

[Hapless Bills Fan]

7 minutes ago, whatdrought said:

remind me what happened?

 

Seriously?  OK.

 

Whaley held a press conference after Rex Ryan's firing where he 1) came across very badly 2) embarrassed the Pegulas and basically threw them under the bus.  He said things that strained credulity - claimed to have not discussed Ryan's firing with the Pegulas (maybe)and hadn't thought about it/didn't ask about it (really?).  He was asked questions about why should we (the media) trust that the next head coaching search was going to be different than the previous 2, and he really didn't have good answers - said stuff like "because I'll be leading it" which didn't give confidence at the time.

 

He was widely excoriated in the media afterwards, and whilst I think they did a bit of the media feeding frenzy thing, a lot of it was deserved.

 

Here's one story I found with a quick search but there are many and worse:

https://buffalonews.com/2017/01/02/10-head-scratching-moments-doug-whaleys-press-conference/

 

There were a number of clues during the subsequent coaching search that it wasn't necessarily going in the direction Whaley might have driven it.

During McDermott's introductory presser, there were also a number of indications that Whaley was probably a lame duck, including McDermott's careful answers to questions about how he felt about working with Doug Whaley (something to the effect of "the Pegulas have made sure I'm comfortable with the organization and I appreciate that")

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

21 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

Jets are still only half the mess that is the Arizona Cardinals

Oh, I don’t know about that...roll both teams downhill in a barrel, a clown show always ends up on top.  ??

[Nihilarian]

 

 

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5 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

The similarities are their between Pegula and Johnson.

 

Two indecisive owners who aren't the most knowledgeable and competent sports guys in the world. 

 

I think Pegula wanted to keep Whaley aboard and then changed his mind after the hire of McDermott. 

 

Typically franchise hires their GM before their HC. ?

I don't know where you get this stuff from.

 

NY Jets CEO Chris Johnson is the brother of Woody Johnson who owns the NY Jets and he is the bumbling bumkin who couldn't keep his hands off the team's football side. 

 

(NY Jets owner, Woody Johnson is currently the US ambassador to the UK who was nominated by Trump in 2017)

 

From what I see in Buffalo is completely different from the Jets. In that, the Pegula's listened to Russ Brandon/Doug Whaley in the hiring of Rex Ryan and once they realized that they had hired a buffoon, they fired him! After that, they realized that both Whaley, Brandon weren't very good at running an NFL Team. Then went on to fire Whaley and make a move to ensure Russ Brandon was away from the football side of the Org. 

 

From what I've come to understand is that the Pegula's hired Bills GM Brandon Beane after consulting with many, many NFL people. It wasn't just McD's hire. Knowing that I'd have to think the Pegula's quietly did the very same thing before they hired Sean McDermott. These new Bills owners are very "Hands Off" from what I see! Which is such a refreshing change from the old ownership. 

 

Looking over what has transpired since the 2017 NFL season It certainly looks to me like these new Buffalo Bills owners did their homework in hiring McD/Beane! I know I haven't felt this good about this franchise since Marv Levy hired Ex-Colts HC Ted Marchibroda after the 1988 season. 

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

37 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

What makes you think Brandon was the one who pushed them to hire Rex? That was all the Pegulas. 

The advice to the Pegulas from Brandon was to ‘not let Rex out of the building’.  John Kryk, Toronto Sun, January 14, 2015.  

Edited May 16, 2019 by Hapless Bills Fan
inappropriate language

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

31 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Seriously?  OK.

 

Whaley held a press conference after Rex Ryan's firing where he 1) came across very badly 2) embarrassed the Pegulas and basically threw them under the bus

He said things that strained credulity - claimed to have not discussed Ryan's firing with the Pegulas (maybe)and hadn't thought about it/didn't ask about it (really?).  He was asked questions about why should we (the media) trust that the next head coaching search was going to be different than the previous 2, and he really didn't have good answers - said stuff like "because I'll be leading it" which didn't give confidence at the time.

 

He was widely excoriated in the media afterwards, and whilst I think they did a bit of the feeding frenzy thing, a lot of it was deserved.

 

Here:

https://buffalonews.com/2017/01/02/10-head-scratching-moments-doug-whaleys-press-conference/

 

...Whaley was a terrible public speaker.......need to be an extrovert to be successful.....as far as Wrecks, I can share that close friends of mine got a text from Brandon after the hire asking, "so what do you think?"......he was certainly taking credit for it and probably overrode Whaley.....if I remember, season tix topped 60,000 with the hire.....thus it was a Brandon marketing ploy that he sold to the Pegulas and had NOTHING to do with this azzclown's abilities as a HC.....if not, why was his tenure short lived while Pegula ate MEGAbucks contractually?....

[whatdrought]

45 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Seriously?  OK.

 

Whaley held a press conference after Rex Ryan's firing where he 1) came across very badly 2) embarrassed the Pegulas and basically threw them under the bus

He said things that strained credulity - claimed to have not discussed Ryan's firing with the Pegulas (maybe)and hadn't thought about it/didn't ask about it (really?).  He was asked questions about why should we (the media) trust that the next head coaching search was going to be different than the previous 2, and he really didn't have good answers - said stuff like "because I'll be leading it" which didn't give confidence at the time.

 

He was widely excoriated in the media afterwards, and whilst I think they did a bit of the feeding frenzy thing, a lot of it was deserved.

 

Here:

https://buffalonews.com/2017/01/02/10-head-scratching-moments-doug-whaleys-press-conference/

 

Thanks! I was way more passive during the Rex years and only caught bits and pieces until I plugged back in during the 2017 season. 

 

edit after reading link: Dang... that’s some serious career implosion...

Edited May 16, 2019 by whatdrought

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

42 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

You take this ***** way too personal.

 

What makes you think Brandon was the one who pushed them to hire Rex? That was all the Pegulas. 

 

It's a message board and a differing opinion. It's friendly discussion. Don't get so bent out of shape over it. If my posts bother you that much just hit ignore or maybe you should be the one that takes a break. 

 

 

 

...and you have the facts to prove  it versus rampant speculation as usual.....

[eball]

51 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

You take this ***** way too personal.

 

What makes you think Brandon was the one who pushed them to hire Rex? That was all the Pegulas. 

 

It's a message board and a differing opinion. It's friendly discussion. Don't get so bent out of shape over it. If my posts bother you that much just hit ignore or maybe you should be the one that takes a break. 

 

 

 

You don’t seem to understand. 

 

You. Are. A. Broken. Record. 

[ColoradoBills]

56 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

You take this ***** way too personal.

 

What makes you think Brandon was the one who pushed them to hire Rex? That was all the Pegulas. 

 

It's a message board and a differing opinion. It's friendly discussion. Don't get so bent out of shape over it. If my posts bother you that much just hit ignore or maybe you should be the one that takes a break. 

 

 

 

But some people do take sports personally.  Maybe you may want to take your own advice and ignore all of the homer and hopeful posters.

You could save a lot of time in your day not having to reply to all of us.

 

I must admit I sometimes find myself confused as to what enjoyment Buffalo Bills football gives you.

That's not a question, just an observation.

 

 

 

 

 

[YoloinOhio]

This asserts that it was Christopher Johnson’s directive to sign Bell no matter what and Mac was following his orders. So I guess Gase disagrees with the owner too on his value.

 

[Richard Noggin]

On 5/15/2019 at 1:15 PM, Forward Progress said:

 

Chronologically, Cher came before Madonna who came before Spears, so Cher (along with Stevie Nicks and Joni Mitchell) are all Pre-Madonna's.  Until another Madonna comes along, Spears can't be a Pre-Madonna.

Tossing you a like for following this semantic stream to its source.

[Richard Noggin]

On 5/15/2019 at 2:53 PM, formerlyofCtown said:

Pre-Modanna doesnt mean before Madonna.

You're right.

 

It means before "Modanna."

 

Also, a hint (spelling of Madonna aside): you're literally, semantically wrong. "Pre-" as a prefix does mean "previous to; before."

[eball]

4 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

No ***** they do. Which is why everyone gets pissed when I'm critical. Just because I'm critical doesn't mean I don't enjoy watching them play. 

 

You're not simply critical, you're a bore. You repeat yourself ad nauseum and don’t provide a bit of insight or thoughtful discussion. Here’s a summary of your content:

 

“What are you criticizing other teams for, you idiots, the Bills suck too.”

 

”The Bills were ready to contend before Beane and McD came in and unnecessarily traded away or cut all of their good players.”

 

”McD and Beane haven’t proven a thing yet.”

 

”The Pegulas are clueless.”

 

Yeah, I’m sure you REALLY enjoy watching them play. ??

 

By contrast, there are a number of posters who are critical but can at least articulate their specific concerns and not live in the past. You could learn a thing or two. 

[Aussie Joe]

Adam Gaze...

 

And we think the Bills have problems..

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

4 hours ago, eball said:

 

You're not simply critical, you're a bore. You repeat yourself ad nauseum and don’t provide a bit of insight or thoughtful discussion. Here’s a summary of your content:

 

“What are you criticizing other teams for, you idiots, the Bills suck too.”

 

”The Bills were ready to contend before Beane and McD came in and unnecessarily traded away or cut all of their good players.”

 

”McD and Beane haven’t proven a thing yet.”

 

”The Pegulas are clueless.”

 

Yeah, I’m sure you REALLY enjoy watching them play. ??

 

By contrast, there are a number of posters who are critical but can at least articulate their specific concerns and not live in the past. You could learn a thing or two. 

 

I'm so glad someone else has taken up this burden. Thank you, sir, sincerely.