US Egg Posted May 3, 2019 Share Posted May 3, 2019 Miami and Tannehill's "Snot Gun Offense" didn't work out well.... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted May 3, 2019 Share Posted May 3, 2019 1 minute ago, I am the egg man said: Miami and Tannehill's "Snot Gun Offense" didn't work out well.... Picking a winner? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That's No Moon Posted May 3, 2019 Share Posted May 3, 2019 Who's the baddest?? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted May 3, 2019 Share Posted May 3, 2019 47 minutes ago, BringBackFergy said: “God I admire you” Bonus points if you name the movie. Fletch 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffaloboyinATL Posted May 3, 2019 Share Posted May 3, 2019 17 hours ago, BringBackFergy said: I guess I’ll just leave this board. I’ve burned bridges. So long dear friends....so long. You have not burned bridges yet...try harder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Joshin' Posted May 3, 2019 Share Posted May 3, 2019 52 minutes ago, BringBackFergy said: “God I admire you” Bonus points if you name the movie. So you are not leaving? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longtimebillsfan Posted May 3, 2019 Share Posted May 3, 2019 20 hours ago, BringBackFergy said: Ok, hear me out. * The kid scored a 36 on the Wunderlic (compared to Jimbo’s 20 or so...no offense) * He obviously has legs to call his own number. * Defenses will not be able to substitute in quick enough to account for Beasley, Brown etc. * He is growing with the job. He can handle the duties. Would love to see Josh call his own plays (like Jimbo) and have Daboll coach him up. You deserve better. Internet bullies abound on this board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Misterbluesky Posted May 3, 2019 Share Posted May 3, 2019 59 minutes ago, BringBackFergy said: “God I admire you” Bonus points if you name the movie. Poms ....that's a star stuffed line up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
87168 Posted May 3, 2019 Share Posted May 3, 2019 4 hours ago, The Wiz said: Can we settle for the shogun of Harlem? Sho'nuff!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerJ Posted May 3, 2019 Share Posted May 3, 2019 I imagine no huddle will be in the Bills' arsenal. Josh should certainly be able to grow into calling his own plays. How much should they use no huddle with Josh making all the decision on the field? Let's play that one by ear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted May 3, 2019 Share Posted May 3, 2019 5 hours ago, Augie said: This just might be the only way we get to see Josh throw it out of the stadium. I say give it a try.... ...with all of the newness on offense, let Josh get acclimated to new personnel, hopefully better scheme and play calling options with which appears to be an elevated level of talent with Daboll being "the guy"...he'll have plenty on his plate without also being responsible for calling plays......let him audible though......that experience will help him read, react and grow into the position.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted May 3, 2019 Share Posted May 3, 2019 21 hours ago, BringBackFergy said: Ok, hear me out. * The kid scored a 36 on the Wunderlic (compared to Jimbo’s 20 or so...no offense) * He obviously has legs to call his own number. * Defenses will not be able to substitute in quick enough to account for Beasley, Brown etc. * He is growing with the job. He can handle the duties. Would love to see Josh call his own plays (like Jimbo) and have Daboll coach him up. Forget the offense--which sounds innovative to be sure. Why would anyone be offended by jimbo's wunderlic?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gobills1212 Posted May 3, 2019 Share Posted May 3, 2019 3 hours ago, BringBackFergy said: “God I admire you” Bonus points if you name the movie. man was once a genius. I can still watch Call me Al and laugh pretty good. Shame he got cranky https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://m.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3D14647u543-8&ved=2ahUKEwizptT0roDiAhVjm-AKHUqjA-4QwqsBMAB6BAgEEAU&usg=AOvVaw00uF-P3y2z3WCmYVZEVe-D 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackFergy Posted May 4, 2019 Author Share Posted May 4, 2019 So basically all y’all are saying “Jallen” is too dumb to call his own plays. Keep in mind Daboll stays. He watched film with Jallen and coaches him up during the week. Gives him 20 or so simple plays to use and adjust with modifications. And you all think it’s too much for the kid from Firebox, WY? I’d say you’re all selling the boy short. He should run this offense for the next 4 years before he commands big $$$. Or maybe you fellas run inside when it rains? Live a little. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted May 4, 2019 Share Posted May 4, 2019 On May 2, 2019 at 7:17 PM, BringBackFergy said: * Defenses will not be able to substitute in quick enough to account for Beasley, Brown etc. Huh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackFergy Posted May 4, 2019 Author Share Posted May 4, 2019 39 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: Huh? Braille doesn’t work too well on here. Run your fingers over your screen and you may pick up what I’m saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Landing Posted May 4, 2019 Share Posted May 4, 2019 1 hour ago, BringBackFergy said: So basically all y’all are saying “Jallen” is too dumb to call his own plays. Keep in mind Daboll stays. He watched film with Jallen and coaches him up during the week. Gives him 20 or so simple plays to use and adjust with modifications. And you all think it’s too much for the kid from Firebox, WY? I’d say you’re all selling the boy short. He should run this offense for the next 4 years before he commands big $$$. Or maybe you fellas run inside when it rains? Live a little. Because why limit him to "20 or so simple plays?" Whether or not it's too much for him (I'll guess it's not), this scheme has the end effect, for someone who has not even played an entire season, of limiting him. What is the point of that? What you are proposing is essentially an experiment that could backfire stupendously. Let him audible (if Daboll believes he is ready!), but just handing him the reigns does what for us, exactly? Does it help us win games? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted May 4, 2019 Share Posted May 4, 2019 On 5/3/2019 at 3:04 PM, matter2003 said: I would like to see them doing what the Rams do with Goff under McVay where he gets them to the line immediately and then McVay can see what the defense is doing and talk to Goff about what they want to look for, etc in the play...or then tell Goff what play to audible to....kind of like learning on the job with your teacher helping you along...until one day after he has done this long enough he knows the student can make the proper calls and hands it over to him... No idea why this doesn't happen more, it's brilliant, innovative and is an excellent training technique in live action when it actually counts. Because defense headset also times out so the MLB (usually one with headset) makes the calls to move after the headset voice stops. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted May 4, 2019 Share Posted May 4, 2019 13 hours ago, BringBackFergy said: So basically all y’all are saying “Jallen” is too dumb to call his own plays. Keep in mind Daboll stays. He watched film with Jallen and coaches him up during the week. Gives him 20 or so simple plays to use and adjust with modifications. And you all think it’s too much for the kid from Firebox, WY? I’d say you’re all selling the boy short. He should run this offense for the next 4 years before he commands big $$$. Or maybe you fellas run inside when it rains? Live a little. If he was from Firebox, WY, I'd say fine let him run it but he is a Northern California boy who only played ball in Wyoming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralonzo Posted May 4, 2019 Share Posted May 4, 2019 On 5/3/2019 at 2:48 AM, The Senator said: 処軍 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted May 4, 2019 Share Posted May 4, 2019 4 hours ago, Limeaid said: Because defense headset also times out so the MLB (usually one with headset) makes the calls to move after the headset voice stops. Doesn't seem to bother the Rams... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted May 4, 2019 Share Posted May 4, 2019 7 minutes ago, matter2003 said: Doesn't seem to bother the Rams... Takes time for defenses to adjust but they will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerJ Posted May 4, 2019 Share Posted May 4, 2019 19 hours ago, BringBackFergy said: So basically all y’all are saying “Jallen” is too dumb to call his own plays. Keep in mind Daboll stays. He watched film with Jallen and coaches him up during the week. Gives him 20 or so simple plays to use and adjust with modifications. And you all think it’s too much for the kid from Firebox, WY? I’d say you’re all selling the boy short. He should run this offense for the next 4 years before he commands big $$$. Or maybe you fellas run inside when it rains? Live a little. I certainly didn't say that. I think in today's NFL, the no huddle offense is more of a situational offense. The Bills demonstrated back in the early 90s that the no huddle can create a lot of stress for your own defense. If you're not putting a lot of drives together, you're giving a huge time of possession advantage to your opponent. Thyat leads to your defense wearing down. As a situational offense, it can be effective in keeping the other team off balance. I can see Daboll wanting to do that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boater Posted May 4, 2019 Share Posted May 4, 2019 In serious response to OP... Jim Kelly spent his first two seasons with the USFL Houston Gamblers, it was there he learned how to read defenses and make adjustments at the line of scrimmage. Then he entered the NFL and eventually learned to read and then skewer NFL defenses. Another good QB followed a similar path.. Kurt Warner did time in the Arena League and then NFL Europe.. then entered to NFL and eventually became a prolific passer. Point being, becoming a great QB takes time and experience. Expecting a Jim Kelly like ability to call plays at the line of scrimmage and "Show Gun" from a second year Josh, regardless of Wonderlic, is a road to disappointment. Josh needs time to grow, I hope Bills fans are patient. Having said that, I expect big things from a 3rd or 4th year Josh.. including no-huddle play calling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBill Posted May 5, 2019 Share Posted May 5, 2019 On 5/2/2019 at 7:17 PM, BringBackFergy said: Ok, hear me out. * The kid scored a 36 on the Wunderlic (compared to Jimbo’s 20 or so...no offense) * He obviously has legs to call his own number. * Defenses will not be able to substitute in quick enough to account for Beasley, Brown etc. * He is growing with the job. He can handle the duties. Would love to see Josh call his own plays (like Jimbo) and have Daboll coach him up. Jim was able to do it in part due to the other 10 on the field. Josh has nowhere near the same talent available to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackFergy Posted May 5, 2019 Author Share Posted May 5, 2019 22 hours ago, Rocky Landing said: Because why limit him to "20 or so simple plays?" Whether or not it's too much for him (I'll guess it's not), this scheme has the end effect, for someone who has not even played an entire season, of limiting him. What is the point of that? What you are proposing is essentially an experiment that could backfire stupendously. Let him audible (if Daboll believes he is ready!), but just handing him the reigns does what for us, exactly? Does it help us win games? Do a wee bit of research and you’ll discover that the “Kay Gun” (named after ex-Bills coach Kay Stephenson) was comprised of approximately 20-30 plays that the players executed to perfection. As such, if it’s good enough for the Kay it’s good enough for Firebox. “Show Gun”!! 35 minutes ago, BuffaloBill said: Jim was able to do it in part due to the other 10 on the field. Josh has nowhere near the same talent available to him. This is actually a good point. They relied on a monstrous O line, a shifty RB, a deep threat and a slot guy (Reed) who really made it click. But I think we’re close and Allen has the ability to handle it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Landing Posted May 5, 2019 Share Posted May 5, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, BringBackFergy said: Do a wee bit of research and you’ll discover that the “Kay Gun” (named after ex-Bills coach Kay Stephenson) was comprised of approximately 20-30 plays that the players executed to perfection. As such, if it’s good enough for the Kay it’s good enough for Firebox. “Show Gun”!! Well, if it worked in 1985, it should work now. Oh, wait... I did that wee bit of research you suggested. 8-8 in '83, 2-14 in '84, canned in '85 after losing their first four games. I'd have to do a wee bit more research to see how he subsequently did after becoming HC for the Edmonton Eskimos. Edit: OK, I did a wee bit more research-- 9-9 in his one year of being the Edmonton Eskimos' HC in '98. But, hey... it's cold up there! Edited May 5, 2019 by Rocky Landing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackFergy Posted May 5, 2019 Author Share Posted May 5, 2019 6 hours ago, Rocky Landing said: Well, if it worked in 1985, it should work now. Oh, wait... I did that wee bit of research you suggested. 8-8 in '83, 2-14 in '84, canned in '85 after losing their first four games. I'd have to do a wee bit more research to see how he subsequently did after becoming HC for the Edmonton Eskimos. Edit: OK, I did a wee bit more research-- 9-9 in his one year of being the Edmonton Eskimos' HC in '98. But, hey... it's cold up there! Jim Kelly went 2-14?? You Cray Cray Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan_34 Posted May 5, 2019 Share Posted May 5, 2019 Why not pitch this wonderful idea to Bills brass? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlayoffsPlease Posted May 5, 2019 Share Posted May 5, 2019 On 5/2/2019 at 7:28 PM, Formerly Allan in MD said: So you basically want Allen to call the same plays Daboli would be calling. If Allen called all the same plays AND the defense could not get off the field to make adjustments, the offense would improve dramatically. The irony of this thread is that the mockers don't grasp the basic concept, and just make themselves look foolish. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubs Posted May 5, 2019 Share Posted May 5, 2019 Hasn’t google or someone built an algorithm that automatically deletes threads and posts that start with “ok, hear me out” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlayoffsPlease Posted May 5, 2019 Share Posted May 5, 2019 10 minutes ago, dubs said: Hasn’t google or someone built an algorithm that automatically deletes threads and posts that start with “ok, hear me out” Not yet, they are first working on one that deletes posts that pointlessly whine about a three word phrase. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Landing Posted May 5, 2019 Share Posted May 5, 2019 5 hours ago, BringBackFergy said: Jim Kelly went 2-14?? You Cray Cray Kay Stevenson went 2-14. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
without a drought Posted May 5, 2019 Share Posted May 5, 2019 Josh Allen and the "Show Some Offense" still have a ways to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBBills Fan Posted May 5, 2019 Share Posted May 5, 2019 60% of the time it works every time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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