Bills dont draft a WR

[starrymessenger]

1 hour ago, McBean said:

 

I think Hakeem Butler and AJ Brown are going to be good. We’ll see. Draft is a crap shoot.

 

Butler may be good...in a couple of years. AJ Brown will be good ...immediately.

You cant always get everything you want, even if you need it, so I'm not second guessing the Bills braintrust, not at all. But for my money AJ Brown was the one and only guy in this draft who might have transformed the Bill's WR corps, making everybody better, maybe a lot better. His value to the Bills was exponential because of the kind of player he is. Duke Williams better be good because IMO this group could really use a sure handed, versatile physically imposing WR who you could mistake for an RB after he catches the ball. Small or finesse UDFA receivers are not in the mould that's likely to help you in that way, even on the off chance that one of them is actually exceptional enuf to eventually make the roster. 

[formerlyofCtown]

On 4/27/2019 at 6:22 PM, downunderbill said:

I can't believe how they've mismanaged the wide receiver position!!?!!

Yes totally neglecting the offense in FA and the draft.?

1 hour ago, dakrider said:

Hakeem Butler, Terry McLaurin, Miles Boykin and Gary Jennings all sitting there in round 3 and Bills take a undersized running back with very average speed.  ?

I liked the Knox pick but the other pick s/h/b a WR! 

...great burst and great short area quickness.  Basically a TD machine.

[thunderingsquid]

58 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said:

 

Don't confuse activity with results.

Marquise brown in Rd 1 has just as many nfl receiving yards as udfa Sills.

[downunderbill]

2 hours ago, Joe in Winslow said:

 

Don't confuse activity with results.

 

Need a season under their belts to know if that activity will bring results.

[KD in CA]

Glad there was something in this draft for the torch and pitchfork crowd to get worked up over!

 

[BillsfaninSB]

I was disappointed they did not take a WR.  Although It was a bit eye opening to see DK and Butler fall like they did.  Made me wonder   If there was big drop off after Brown x 2 and  Harry. 

 

With that said, I think we are pinning our hopes on Jones and Foster improving.   As the old saying goes, hope is the raw material of losers.

 

I would have been happier if they took Butler in the 3rd just to add a little more in the talent pool.  However, I will be rooting for Singletary to succeed!

[The Senator]

On 4/27/2019 at 6:06 PM, DrDawkinstein said:

Cry about it here.

 

Mods can we get this pinned?

 

Yes, didn’t draft a WR, but signed four free agent WRs.

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[DrDawkinstein]

15 hours ago, Joe in Winslow said:

 

Don't confuse activity with results.

 

Same could be said if we had drafted WRs in the 2nd and 3rd round.

[Chicken Boo]

21 hours ago, Cripple Creek said:

& that tells me all I need to know about you

 

This thread tell me all I need to know about a lot of you.

[Lurker]

12 hours ago, The Senator said:

 

Yes, didn’t draft a WR, but signed four free agent WRs.

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https://www.instagram.com/p/BPWD5SrD4h7/?utm_source=ig_embed

[thunderingsquid]

13 hours ago, downunderbill said:

 

Need a season under their belts to know if that activity will bring results.

 

[The Senator]

2 hours ago, Lurker said:

 

https://www.instagram.com/p/BPWD5SrD4h7/?utm_source=ig_embed

 

So your not happy about David Sills V?  You don’t think Robert Foster turned out well?

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Edited April 29, 2019 by The Senator

[thebandit27]

The 2020 WR class looks absolutely loaded.

 

CeeDee Lamb looks like a stud.

Henry Ruggs is 2020's version of Tyreek Hill without the off-field crappola, and his teammate Jerry Jeudy is a machine.

Tylan Wallace is a true deep threat.

 

Then you've got some other intriguing guys like Tee Higgins, Laviska Shenault, Jaelen Reagor, and KJ Hill.

[John from Riverside]

23 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

Their WRs are an average group that really needs Foster to continues to emerge.... if he doesn't they'll look even worse.

 

They didn't do enough at the position for Allen, IMO. 

 

Just an opinion. Don't get mad.???

This makes NO sense

 

"Look even worse" what?  Worse then what.......Kelvin Benjamin?  Is that even possible.

 

The two veteran wideouts that we brought in start on most NFL teams......even our special teams WR has had some offensive success.   The WR is VERY MUCH improved from last year because the quality of the WR's overall is better.

 

This does not count Foster who if he carries his game over from the 2nd half of last season is a very good player.......and it totally discounts if other guys like our Canadian WR or Sills do nothing.

 

 

[Lurker]

43 minutes ago, The Senator said:

 

So your not happy about David Sills V?  You don’t think Robert Foster turned out well?

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No.  I like Sills a lot.   What I posted that for was to show that UDFA WRs are all over the league--taking 17% of the snaps since 2006.    

 

Foster showed it can be done and I think Sills has a chance as well...

[XABI64]

I mean the front office is banking on their current WR's to take the next step and for Allen to really improve his game next season

 

if both of those things don't happen they could lose their jobs in the next 2 years 

[thebandit27]

13 minutes ago, XABI64 said:

I mean the front office is banking on their current WR's to take the next step and for Allen to really improve his game next season

 

if both of those things don't happen they could lose their jobs in the next 2 years 

 

I think they're banking more on the idea that their hand-picked QB can raise the level of play of a rather mediocre group of WRs, each of whom have a single thing that they do pretty well.

 

And that's not necessarily wrong per se, but I'm a much bigger fan of the Rams/Chiefs approach that says "stack the roster with ridiculously talented pass catchers and give my QB the best chance I can" 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

38 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

 

I think they're banking more on the idea that their hand-picked QB can raise the level of play of a rather mediocre group of WRs, each of whom have a single thing that they do pretty well.

 

And that's not necessarily wrong per se, but I'm a much bigger fan of the Rams/Chiefs approach that says "stack the roster with ridiculously talented pass catchers and give my QB the best chance I can" 

 

As am I, but that seems to be an unpopular position around these parts.

 

[John from Riverside]

2 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said:

 

As am I, but that seems to be an unpopular position around these parts.

 

It took the rams a while to do that.....their process of that started WELL before they drafted their QB

 

and

 

Its not like they did not address the offense in this draft......and word is next year's draft is heavy on the skilled position players...this years draft was supposed to be heavy on DL

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

Just now, John from Riverside said:

It took the rams a while to do that.....their process of that started WELL before they drafted their QB

 

and

 

Its not like they did not address the offense in this draft......and word is next year's draft is heavy on the skilled position players...this years draft was supposed to be heavy on DL

Seems I hear that story every year. Only next year never comes.

 

lol

 

[John from Riverside]

Just now, Joe in Winslow said:

Seems I hear that story every year. Only next year never comes.

 

lol

 

This was never a draft heavy in very good skilled position players.....WR's did not even start going until later first round.

 

it turned out exactly as drafter's were talking about it.

[The Senator]

On 4/28/2019 at 3:22 AM, Buffalo Barbarian said:

 

i hope so. This is my boy right here.

 

image: http://walterfootball.com/college/Colorado_logo.gif

 Laviska Shenault Jr., WR, Colorado 
Height: 6-2. Weight: 220. 
Projected 40 Time: 4.52. 
Projected Round (2020): 1-3. 
2/8/19: Shenault was one of the top wide receivers in 2018, totaling 86 receptions for 1,011 yards with six touchdowns. The 6-foot-2, 220-pounder is the No. 1 receiver for Steven Montez and has made the Buffaloes quarterback look good at times.

Read more: http://walterfootball.com/draft2020WR.php#ixzz5mN9M6EPe

Read more at http://walterfootball.com/draft2020WR.php#qJWptlSzoKgXIiFt.99

 

 

I love you, BB, but if you really take Walter Cherepinsky seriously...

 

https://walterfootball.com/draft2019WR.php

 

 

Walter Cherepinsky...

 

 

[Wayne Cubed]

29 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said:

 

As am I, but that seems to be an unpopular position around these parts.

 

 

Not really, I share the same opinion. I just don’t think the talent was there in the draft this year. I think they would have come out at best with a WR2. 

 

The past 2 draft classes haven’t yielded a 1000 yard receiver in their rookie years, so it’s also unlikely they would have been much help to Josh this year.

 

Ive wanted the Bills to trade for that talent, it was the only way it was going to happen. Tried with AB and my guess was the price was too high for OBJ. 

[John from Riverside]

2 hours ago, XABI64 said:

I mean the front office is banking on their current WR's to take the next step, the free agent starting caliber wide receivers they brought in free agency,  and for Allen to really improve his game next season

 

if both of those things don't happen they could lose their jobs in the next 2 years 

Fixed it for you

[Lurker]

58 minutes ago, Wayne Cubed said:

I've wanted the Bills to trade for that talent, it was the only way it was going to happen. 

 

There's still time to do that as teams move on from the draft and lay out their plans for the season.   

 

I expect Beane to stay aggressive and work the phones and waiver wire in the weeks ahead.   He's not sugar coating his desire to improve the WR group--and the draft was only one way to accomplish that....  

[Luka]

Knox and Sills have a legitimate shot at starting week 1. Beasley and Brown in free agency. Wild card in Duke Williams. I'm not sure what the problem is.

[Nextmanup]

On 4/27/2019 at 6:47 PM, JustWinPlease said:

I just find it weird that every other team drafts a young WR to go with their young QB, so they can grow together.

I guess Allen has that with Foster, but he doesn't strike me as having a #1 WR ceiling.

Meh.  Passing game is way over-rated in today's NFL.

 

It's all about run and stop the run.  And we got a heck of a good DT.

 

Who needs receivers anyway?

 

[Buffalo Barbarian]

11 hours ago, The Senator said:

 

I love you, BB, but if you really take Walter Cherepinsky seriously...

 

https://walterfootball.com/draft2019WR.php

 

 

Walter Cherepinsky...

 

 

 

its not Walter, i was just looking for next years rankings.

 

 

Shenault is insanely talented but wasnt eligible this year. If he performs well next season he will be at the top of the list.

 

 

[The Senator]

2 hours ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:

 

its not Walter, i was just looking for next years rankings.

 

 

Shenault is insanely talented but wasnt eligible this year. If he performs well next season he will be at the top of the list.

 

 

 

Fair enough. I understand. Just pointing out that D.K. Metcalf was #1 on Cherepinsky’s list, ahead of 5 others WRs that were picked before Metcalf.

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[thebandit27]

While I'm over here drooling over the 2020 draft WR crop, has anyone else looked at the list of WRs that are scheduled to be UFAs in 2020?

 

Oh. My. Word.

 

AJ Green

Amari Cooper

Julian Edelman

Robby Anderson

Josh Gordon

Michael Thomas

Tyler Boyd

 

(and Tyreek Hill, but I have a feeling nobody is going to want to touch him, especially McDermott and Co.)

[Rob's House]

17 hours ago, Joe in Winslow said:

 

As am I, but that seems to be an unpopular position around these parts.

 

It's more popular than you think. People just don't want to take the EJ approach to WR and pass up top talent at premium positions for the sake of taking a mediocre WR to say you did.

[Dr. Who]

15 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

While I'm over here drooling over the 2020 draft WR crop, has anyone else looked at the list of WRs that are scheduled to be UFAs in 2020?

 

Oh. My. Word.

 

AJ Green

Amari Cooper

Julian Edelman

Robby Anderson

Josh Gordon

Michael Thomas

Tyler Boyd

 

(and Tyreek Hill, but I have a feeling nobody is going to want to touch him, especially McDermott and Co.)

Tyreek Hill is not going to be playing football in the NFL for a long while, imo. The broader point really is that next yr has the bonanza of wr talent available in free agency and the draft. Folks can complain all they want about not getting an alpha WR this yr, but the talent pool dictated otherwise. Meanwhile, the Bills had arguably a spectacular off-season, basically rebuilding the o-line from almost scratch and adding quality depth throughout the roster. Edge and WR remain areas that need improvement. Allen has enough this yr to work with. If he makes a leap this yr, we will provide all the extras next year. Could be a fun ride if things work out and it's not irrational to think they might.

[The Real Buffalo Joe]

Kim is cheap.

[thebandit27]

7 minutes ago, Dr. Who said:

Tyreek Hill is not going to be playing football in the NFL for a long while, imo. The broader point really is that next yr has the bonanza of wr talent available in free agency and the draft. Folks can complain all they want about not getting an alpha WR this yr, but the talent pool dictated otherwise. Meanwhile, the Bills had arguably a spectacular off-season, basically rebuilding the o-line from almost scratch and adding quality depth throughout the roster. Edge and WR remain areas that need improvement. Allen has enough this yr to work with. If he makes a leap this yr, we will provide all the extras next year. Could be a fun ride if things work out and it's not irrational to think they might.

 

I agree that there's enough skill-specific volume in the WR group to allow Allen to develop significantly in year 2.  I don't think (and I'm assuming that you don't either) that there's enough wow-type talent to put him in the top-tier unless he really unlocks every ounce of his potential, but yeah, next year is a really, really good opportunity to add a legit WR1 (hopefully more than one). How much would you love to sign J. Clowney and Michael Thomas in free agency and then draft Henry Ruggs?

[Kirby Jackson]

5 hours ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:

 

its not Walter, i was just looking for next years rankings.

 

 

Shenault is insanely talented but wasnt eligible this year. If he performs well next season he will be at the top of the list.

 

 

FWIW, he’s being mocked to the Bills already. 

[dave mcbride]

18 hours ago, thebandit27 said:

 

I think they're banking more on the idea that their hand-picked QB can raise the level of play of a rather mediocre group of WRs, each of whom have a single thing that they do pretty well.

 

And that's not necessarily wrong per se, but I'm a much bigger fan of the Rams/Chiefs approach that says "stack the roster with ridiculously talented pass catchers and give my QB the best chance I can" 

I just think it was a lousy WR draft. Next year's is supposed to be akin to 1996 and 2014.

[thebandit27]

Just now, dave mcbride said:

I just think it was a lousy WR draft. Next year's is supposed to be akin to 1996 and 2014.

 

There hasn't been an offseason in recent memory that was as primed for adding WRs as the 2020 offseason

3 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

FWIW, he’s being mocked to the Bills already. 

 

Any chance that NO is going to let Michael Thomas walk?

[eball]

47 minutes ago, Dr. Who said:

Tyreek Hill is not going to be playing football in the NFL for a long while, imo. The broader point really is that next yr has the bonanza of wr talent available in free agency and the draft. Folks can complain all they want about not getting an alpha WR this yr, but the talent pool dictated otherwise. Meanwhile, the Bills had arguably a spectacular off-season, basically rebuilding the o-line from almost scratch and adding quality depth throughout the roster. Edge and WR remain areas that need improvement. Allen has enough this yr to work with. If he makes a leap this yr, we will provide all the extras next year. Could be a fun ride if things work out and it's not irrational to think they might.

 

36 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

 

I agree that there's enough skill-specific volume in the WR group to allow Allen to develop significantly in year 2.  I don't think (and I'm assuming that you don't either) that there's enough wow-type talent to put him in the top-tier unless he really unlocks every ounce of his potential, but yeah, next year is a really, really good opportunity to add a legit WR1 (hopefully more than one). How much would you love to sign J. Clowney and Michael Thomas in free agency and then draft Henry Ruggs?

 

Good stuff, guys -- those free agents next year will want to join a team looking to win back-to-back SBs.

 

Edited April 30, 2019 by eball

[26TrapDraw]

On 4/27/2019 at 3:19 PM, HOUSE said:

ME TOO!!

You're obviously not as mad.

[Dkollidas]

The 2018 draft had 4-5 top tier QB’s. That is where we got our QB in Allen. Even moved up multiple times to do it.

 

2018 had a lot of top end talent in the 1st Round. We had two first round picks in the 2018 draft and got ourselves a defensive blue chipper as well in Edmunds.

 

2019 was a draft loaded with defensive talent, particularly in the defensive line/edger rusher  category. We got ourselves a player who is ahead of his time in Ed Oliver. If you look at where QB pressure is coming from in the NFL today, more and more of the elite pass rushers are working from the interior. Oliver fits that mold, specifically in our defense, perfectly. 

 

Now we didn't draft a receiver, but look at what happened after N’Keal Harry and Marquise Brown. 

 

Metcalf fell basically to the 3rd Round.

Butler to the 4th Round

Harmon to the 6th Round 

Sills went undrafted (and was signed by us)

 

2020 is said to be looking like a great class for receivers and running backs. Beane has us set up perfectly to give Allen a decent surrounding cast this year, see who fits and who doesn’t, and then go out next year in the draft and get him a high end #1 level target.