Bills 2019 NFL Draft: Buffalo Bills are taking D.K. Metcalf, says SI’s Gary Gramling

[formerlyofCtown]

4 hours ago, KRT88 said:

Wow, I’ve seen several mocks where DK isn’t even a first round pick. This would be a massive reach in my opinion. No way he’s a top 10 pick. Trade back if this is the guy you want. 

Oh so them mock draft experts say no.  Well then...

 

The mock draft experts are the equivalent of the actor being paid to be a doctor in a commercial.

 

Read the fine print at the bottom of the screen, If these people were any good they would be in a FO.

Mayock was the only one I ever listened to and where is he now.  Not sure he belongs at the top of the FO, but it makes me feel confident of my evaluation of the evaluators.

[Mojo44]

7 minutes ago, brianthomas said:

If the Bills drafted Metcalf, the plan down the road would be for him to be the #1 wr, but rarely does a rookie wr get penciled in as the #1 wr in his 1st year. Its a big jump from college ball to the NFL so it will take him some time, perhaps a whole season before he'd be our #1 wr.

That's not to say you wouldn't place him on the outside once & awhile to run some deep routes, but no way does he immediately become your #1 wr.

 

Me personally I think he's too much of a reach at that spot, given the other talent available in the draft & with our other needs. Hopefully this is just a Bills smokescreen or the case of another insider not knowing what he's talking about. DE, DT, OT or TE or trade back with some combo getting Harry as our wr or Fant/Hock/Smith at te would be my dream draft.

 With  the exception of a quarterback, if you take any player in the top 10 regardless of position he better start on day one or it’s a wasted pick.  So, if they do take Metcalf at number nine he better at least to be  WR 1B if not 1A!

[Reed83HOF]

Just now, SouthNYfan said:

 

Terrible take.

Just because there are other "more special" players like bosa doesn't mean that a guy like dk isn't special.

Completely absurd.

Completely absurd to call a guy special because of combine numbers and his height, weight and 0.002% body fat. Not much production in college and IIRC like 80% of his routes were the 2 routes that matched his un-agile abilities. Brady had better agility tests than this guy. Maybe you take a shot in rd 2, but at 9 

[formerlyofCtown]

21 minutes ago, K-9 said:

Jones was 6.66 in the 3 cone and 4.25 in the 20 yards shuttle. 

 

 

Proof of a deal with the devil.  Why didn't he end up with the Patriots deal makers is what I dont understand.

[YoloinOhio]

11 minutes ago, formerlyofCtown said:

You mean like Robert Foster.

Both 5 star recruits but a lot of these guys were. Foster didn’t really even play in college, he’s a unique story. Gary wasn’t a bust at UM. He was pretty nasty as a sophomore.   He is being touted as a top 10-15 pick for a reason. He has question marks for sure. But he’s a hell of a talent imo. 

[Reed83HOF]

44 minutes ago, Tatonka68 said:

PER SI.

That same chiseled body suffered a broken foot and a fractured neck in three years of college. And at his record-setting combine, Metcalf's change-of-direction times were slower than what Tom Brady clocked coming out of Michigan in 2000, leading teams to worry that his frame won't allow him to run more than three or four routes. Metcalf looks up to and models his game after Julio Jones and Calvin Johnson. But his agility scores are more similar to Jon Baldwin, a big-bodied first-round pick who barely lasted three years in the league.

 

Stop, you are killing his lovers narrative on here

[SouthNYfan]

1 minute ago, Reed83HOF said:

Completely absurd to call a guy special because of combine numbers and his height, weight and 0.002% body fat. Not much production in college and IIRC like 80% of his routes were the 2 routes that matched his un-agile abilities. Brady had better agility tests than this guy. Maybe you take a shot in rd 2, but at 9 

 

He was a highly touted wr, many had him tops, before his combine.

The combine if anything hurt not helped him.

A lot of the big guys never did the agility drills for that exact reason.

[BuffaloHokie13]

Just now, YoloinOhio said:

Both 5 star recruits but a lot of these guys were. Foster didn’t really even play in college, he’s a unique story. Gary wasn’t a bust at UM. He was pretty nasty as a sophomore.   He is being touted as a top 10-15 pick for a reason. He has question marks for sure. But he’s a hell of a talent imo. 

My comp there is still Greg Hardy, though I do see the workout comparisons to JPP.

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

espn - Metcalf

 

cbs - Jonah Williams

 

draftwire - Metcalf

 

SI - Oliver

 

walter football - Sweat 

 

nfl.com - Hockenson

 

24/7 sports - Dillard

 

bleacher report - Jonah Williams

 

the draft network - JAWAAN TAYLOR

 

who's it going to be? 9 days and we'll have the answer. meanwhile, a mock is a mock, is a mock.

[Cornette's Commentary]

1 minute ago, DaBillsFanSince1973 said:

espn - Metcalf

 

cbs - Jonah Williams

 

draftwire - Metcalf

 

SI - Oliver

 

walter football - Sweat 

 

nfl.com - Hockenson

 

24/7 sports - Dillard

 

bleacher report - Jonah Williams

 

the draft network - JAWAAN TAYLOR

 

who's it going to be? 9 days and we'll have the answer. meanwhile, a mock is a mock, is a mock.

Walter Football has Brian Burns going 8th to the Lions???

[BADOLBILZ]

3 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

 

Agreed...I really like Trayveon and Montgomery at RB though...again I worry that they'll be overdrafted.

 

 

Singletary in 4th(probably not happening) and Travis Homer late are the two guys I'd like to see at that value............and I don't think either of them are potentially explosive every down RB's.     Homer is just more of a late pick or UDFA combo back who will be a good ST guy and locker room guy IMO but could develop into more.   He fits that "better pro" Allen Hurns type profile that the U has produced since the downturn.  I wouldn't be shocked if he goes in round 5 this year.   Like you said I expect some over-drafting on the position cuz it's shallow, IMO.          

[formerlyofCtown]

1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said:

Both 5 star recruits but a lot of these guys were. Foster didn’t really even play in college, he’s a unique story. Gary wasn’t a bust at UM. He was pretty nasty as a sophomore.   He is being touted as a top 10-15 pick for a reason. He has question marks for sure. But he’s a hell of a talent imo. 

The only thing that matters is if he has coachable talent.  I havent spent as much time on this years draft as last but I have heard rumblings of weight issues.  But it also seems he has high upside.  I trust Beane and McD with evaluations.  

[MJS]

This guy knows nothing. Just hoping something will stick so he can pay himself on the back later.

[mannc]

4 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said:

 

Stop, you are killing his lovers narrative on here

Yes, let’s pass on Metcalf because of his 3-cone time.?

[K-9]

49 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

Good read. Thanks for the link.

 

Imo, the biggest takeaway was the quote from the AFC exec who said even though Metcalf is limited in the routes he can run, that may be enough for some team. I get that sentiment, but I don’t agree with it at the NFL level where superior schemes and athletes on defense make one dimensional receivers even less effective. 

[Reed83HOF]

Just now, SouthNYfan said:

 

He was a highly touted wr, many had him tops, before his combine.

The combine if anything hurt not helped him.

A lot of the big guys never did the agility drills for that exact reason.

I think I saw BADOL talk about it back in the thread, the only way I see us taking him is based on those intangibles and McD think he can coach up raw physical talent. I don't see a Coach on this staff who can do that. Beane's folly would be falling into that line of thinking and bypassing true blue chip talent, which I just don't see in DK. The Pick at #9 (or higher - if we buy what jw indicated) needs to be a day 1 starter. A WR at this high needs to be a clear 1 and I just don't see it. Of course if we take him I will root for him, but to me this is a lot like Whitner over Ngata and Maybin or Spiller - failure of a GM to properly evaluate talent. I mean no disrespect, just disagree 

1 minute ago, mannc said:

Yes, let’s pass on Metcalf because of his 3-cone time.?

It limits his routes and that is an issue. There will be better talent at 9 than DK.

[GunnerBill]

1 hour ago, thebandit27 said:

 

It won't surprise me at all if Edmunds ends up playing the LorAx role starting in 2020.

 

He's built perfectly for it, and he's a far superior athlete to LorAx.

 

That's why I'd be looking at an off-ball 'backer like Okereke in the mid rounds, but I have a feeling that he'll be over-drafted since off-ball LB is arguably the weakest position in the class (safety could contend as well though).

 

Yea... the off the ball linebacker class is not good. The drop off after the two Devin's is significant. Mack Wilson I have a lower 2nd on.... and after him..... it is 3rd/4th borderline guys.

[SouthNYfan]

1 minute ago, Reed83HOF said:

I think I saw BADOL talk about it back in the thread, the only way I see us taking him is based on those intangibles and McD think he can coach up raw physical talent. I don't see a Coach on this staff who can do that. Beane's folly would be falling into that line of thinking and bypassing true blue chip talent, which I just don't see in DK. The Pick at #9 (or higher - if we buy what jw indicated) needs to be a day 1 starter. A WR at this high needs to be a clear 1 and I just don't see it. Of course if we take him I will root for him, but to me this is a lot like Whitner over Ngata and Maybin or Spiller - failure of a GM to properly evaluate talent. I mean no disrespect, just disagree 

 

I don't disagree that we may be lacking the coaching, but daboll seems to be okay to me, and I think he'd use him right.

I also think that people forget Calvin Johnson had a limited route tree as well.

Doing a couple of things amazingly can be just as effective, and usually more effective, as doing everything above average.

DK def needs the right coach and scheme to succeed, and a guy who is limited in his range but elite in those areas has a bigger bust potential since he also needs a proper coach to see and maximize those abilities.

 

Anyway, he's elite in some areas and grossly lacking in others.

He's ranked highly for a reason by almost everybody, but he is also listed as having a big risk by those same people.

I get not wanting the risk, I totally get that, but there's no way people can say he doesn't have the upside to be a high pick, by some team.

[BuffaloHokie13]

2 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

Yea... the off the ball linebacker class is not good. The drop off after the two Devin's is significant. Mack Wilson I have a lower 2nd on.... and after him..... it is 3rd/4th borderline guys.

Catch any Ben Burr-Kirven tape? He's not in my top tier, but he caught my eye more than once while I was watching Byron Murphy film

[Reed83HOF]

1 minute ago, SouthNYfan said:

 

I don't disagree that we may be lacking the coaching, but daboll seems to be okay to me, and I think he'd use him right.

I also think that people forget Calvin Johnson had a limited route tree as well.

Doing a couple of things amazingly can be just as effective, and usually more effective, as doing everything above average.

DK def needs the right coach and scheme to succeed, and a guy who is limited in his range but elite in those areas has a bigger bust potential since he also needs a proper coach to see and maximize those abilities.

 

Anyway, he's elite in some areas and grossly lacking in others.

He's ranked highly for a reason by almost everybody, but he is also listed as having a big risk by those same people.

I get not wanting the risk, I totally get that, but there's no way people can say he doesn't have the upside to be a high pick, by some team.

I don't disagree with what you are saying either LOL. It's just at pick #9 (or higher) in this draft, I see better overall and more well-wounded talent. As you move into the teens and depending on if someone slides or not I can easily see a case for DK; with the Blue chippers being gone and now the raw athletic talent and ceiling vs the mid guys. 

[IgotBILLStopay]

2 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

The top 8 "locks" for me are:

Murray

Bosa

Williams

White

Allen

Taylor

 

The other two spots are harder to predict.

I forgot about White. You are right. It looks increasingly like we will have  Oliver fall to 9! if the other 2 spots go to a QB, TE or Edge Rusher. The real intrigue will come if the Raiders take Oliver at #4. 

[SouthNYfan]

3 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said:

I don't disagree with what you are saying either LOL. It's just at pick #9 (or higher) in this draft, I see better overall and more well-wounded talent. As you move into the teens and depending on if someone slides or not I can easily see a case for DK; with the Blue chippers being gone and now the raw athletic talent and ceiling vs the mid guys. 

 

Yes.

We have people calling him garbage though and acting like he's not a possible talent.

[Boatdrinks]

56 minutes ago, Chris farley said:

last year, Allan was the one athletic freak I did not want us to get, same with Tramain.  And have learned since, to trust the process.

 

if they have Metcalf that high, I trust them

 

 

 

They have shown an affinity for drafting athletic “ freak” type players, as well as moving around the board to acquire them. It’s not a far fetched scenario to me. Your take makes sense from a fan standpoint, because this is the type of thing they’re likely to do. 

[NewEra]

29 minutes ago, SouthNYfan said:

 

Terrible take.

Just because there are other "more special" players like bosa doesn't mean that a guy like dk isn't special.

Completely absurd.

There’s a top 3 then there’s Murray.  Then Devin White.  No one else is regarded as a cant miss. 4 position players and a QB.  People are talking about Rashan Gary more than DK in the top 10. That saying a lot imo 

[rayray808]

I was alright with DK or any WR at 9 until I saw the last picks at 9 and realized the Bengals took Josh Ross at that spot - made me think about the "reach" factor by grabbing a WR that early and the lack of impact they can have on a team.

 

For that reason, I am ok with DK or any WR as our first pick, just preferably not at 9

[BillsCelticsAngelsBama]

17 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Yea... the off the ball linebacker class is not good. The drop off after the two Devin's is significant. Mack Wilson I have a lower 2nd on.... and after him..... it is 3rd/4th borderline guys.

Agree 100 %. The drop off is frightening this time

[SouthNYfan]

5 minutes ago, NewEra said:

There’s a top 3 then there’s Murray.  Then Devin White.  No one else is regarded as a cant miss. 4 position players and a QB.  People are talking about Rashan Gary more than DK in the top 10. That saying a lot imo 

 

What people, where?

 

A guy who is a top prospect talent doesn't have to be can't miss.

 

Josh Allen and Edmunds we're highly touted talents.

Neither one was regarded as can't miss 

 

 

[Reed83HOF]

8 minutes ago, SouthNYfan said:

 

Yes.

We have people calling him garbage though and acting like he's not a possible talent.

He is high-ceiling and low floor, at draft our position I want a higher floor and someone who play right away and this draft looks to have the top 10-12 talent to do just that. 

 

You can't call him garbage (right now at least). People also said EJ and Tyrod need more time...

[NewEra]

30 minutes ago, mannc said:

Yes, let’s pass on Metcalf because of his 3-cone time.?

And his broken neck, broken foot, inability to actually step on the field.

[mrags]

3 hours ago, drf1835 said:

Here is my concern: Metcalf likely does finger, palm and knuckle pushups too. His hands likely may be too bulgy, such that Allen's thrown darts would bounce off those hard. rippled hands. On the orher hand, Jerry Rice seemed thin as a skeleton and used to catch bricks, to put his hands in shape. Not sure if the other way around, soft ball, in muscular  hands work. 

ROTFLMFAO!!!

[SouthNYfan]

Just now, Reed83HOF said:

He is high-ceiling and low floor, at draft our position I want a higher floor and someone who play right away and this draft looks to have the top 10-12 talent to do just that. 

 

You can't call him garbage (right now at least). People also said EJ and Tyrod need more time...

 

And that's a totally fair thing to say.

Some people want the high ceiling some want the higher floor.

I think you and I agree on dk as a talent, just disagree with what we want at #9

 

 

[K-9]

15 minutes ago, SouthNYfan said:

 

I don't disagree that we may be lacking the coaching, but daboll seems to be okay to me, and I think he'd use him right.

I also think that people forget Calvin Johnson had a limited route tree as well.

Doing a couple of things amazingly can be just as effective, and usually more effective, as doing everything above average.

DK def needs the right coach and scheme to succeed, and a guy who is limited in his range but elite in those areas has a bigger bust potential since he also needs a proper coach to see and maximize those abilities.

 

Anyway, he's elite in some areas and grossly lacking in others.

He's ranked highly for a reason by almost everybody, but he is also listed as having a big risk by those same people.

I get not wanting the risk, I totally get that, but there's no way people can say he doesn't have the upside to be a high pick, by some team.

Per the bold text, this simply isn’t true. Johnson could run the entire route tree. He was equally as effective running nines or routes requiring quick separation. 

[NewEra]

4 minutes ago, SouthNYfan said:

 

What people, where?

 

A guy who is a top prospect talent doesn't have to be can't miss.

 

Josh Allen and Edmunds we're highly touted talents.

Neither one was regarded as can't miss 

 

 

Google

[NewEraBills]

5 minutes ago, K-9 said:

Per the bold text, this simply isn’t true. Johnson could run the entire route tree. He was equally as effective running nines or routes requiring quick separation. 

 This is just not true.  The Lions never asked him to run double move routes.  The information is out there on CJ's career if you care to look at it.  He excelled at a few routes and that's how the Lions used him.  Technically every wide receive "could run the entire route tree".  The issue is can they do it well.  They Lions decided to use CJ a certain way and allowed him to excel at certain routes.  They never asked him to run poco or copo for instance.  

Edited April 17, 2019 by NewEraBills

[NewEra]

2 minutes ago, SouthNYfan said:

 

And that's a totally fair thing to say.

Some people want the high ceiling some want the higher floor.

I think you and I agree on dk as a talent, just disagree with what we want at #9

 

 

I don’t think anyone here is denying that DK has talent.  Picking him at 9 is another story.  If we trade back and get him at 20ish, I’ll be ok with it.  He’s just a terrible pick at 9 imo.  

[GunnerBill]

1 hour ago, the skycap said:

I was watching a program with Aaron Taylor and Randy Cross and they rated Jawaan Taylor a "BLAH" Cross said he was too high in his stance and that he may have to move inside

 

I think Taylor is a tackle... but a right tackle only. I wouldn't take him top 10 either necessarily.

[Dr. Who]

3 minutes ago, NewEra said:

I don’t think anyone here is denying that DK has talent.  Picking him at 9 is another story.  If we trade back and get him at 20ish, I’ll be ok with it.  He’s just a terrible pick at 9 imo.  

I am still hoping Oliver is there at nine. If they want DK, I would try and trade up from the second and get him in the twenties if he is there.

[NewEraBills]

I honestly think the Bills have Ed Oliver as their #1 guy at 9 and if he's off the board, they will desire to move out of that spot.

[K-9]

Just now, NewEraBills said:

 This is just not true.  The Lions never asked him to run double move routes.  The information is out there on CJ's career if you care to look at it.  He excelled at a few routes and that's how the Lions used him.  Technically every wide receive "could run the entire route tree".  The issue is can they do it well.

It’s not about what the Lions asked him to do, it’s about what he was capable of doing. He ran a ton of go routes because it complicated things for the defense and made it easier on other offensive players. That’s a good strategy and I could see Metcalf fulfilling a similar role. But one of the reasons his nine routes were so effective is because defenses had to respect his ability on digs and other quick cut routes as well. 

 

I just read Brook’s scouting report on Johnson coming out and he mentions his route versatility. There’s a reason Johnson was the number two overall pick (some projected him number one overall)  and it wasn’t because he was a limited wideout. He demonstrated his versatility throughout his college career and won the Biletnikof as a result. 

 

This takes nothing away from Metcalf., who’s a fine prospect in his own right. But these comparisons to Johnson are simply out of line. It’s like people have to convince themselves about Metcalf by diminishing Johnson somehow. 

[offyourocker]

I did not want Josh Allen last year but now I am glad they went with him.  I don’t want Metcalf this year.