Buffalo Bills: Back to Bojorquez

[MJS]

4 hours ago, mrags said:

I didn’t really like him. There was nothing wrong with Colton when he was dropping kicks inside the 20 all the time. 

 

Regardless of who’s better or not. They mismanaged the position last year. But who cares, it’s just the punter 

Colton Schmidt has horrible hang time. He's a problem for sure.

[Bookie Man]

The guy that went rogue on a fake fg attempt? Weirdest ST play I've seen in a bit!

[mrags]

10 minutes ago, MJS said:

Colton Schmidt has horrible hang time. He's a problem for sure.

Doesn’t matter when your dropping dimes in the corners inside the 20

[MJS]

4 minutes ago, mrags said:

Doesn’t matter when your dropping dimes in the corners inside the 20

Which Colton Schmidt rarely did.

[Reks Ryan]

Bojorquez Nooo!!  You can’t have a guy who drops perfect snaps as your punter and holder.   Cory Carter will be a better option if he is fully recovered from ACL.   I prefer Carter or almost anyone else to Bojorquez.

[DabillsDaBillsDaBills]

12 minutes ago, R Y G A R said:

The guy that went rogue on a fake fg attempt? Weirdest ST play I've seen in a bit!

 

I'm more anti-Bojorquez than most, but he did this and fumbled a perfect snap in the Ravens game (week 1 in the 2nd half in the rain, with the Bills already out of the game). 

 

If you look at his raw kicking stats, he's a bit below average. If you look at those 2 plays I completely lose faith in the guy.

 

We can do better. 

[mrags]

11 minutes ago, MJS said:

Which Colton Schmidt rarely did.

I feel like your watching the wrong Schmidt. 

[BobbyC81]

2 minutes ago, mrags said:

I feel like your watching the wrong Schmidt. 

 

Walden Schmidt?

[BobbyC81]

9 minutes ago, mrags said:

I feel like your watching the wrong Schmidt. 

 

Mike Schmidt could hit a baseball a long way with hang time.

[mrags]

2 minutes ago, ColeB said:

 

Mike Schmidt could hit a baseball a long way with hang time.

He was my neighbors cousin 

[transplantbillsfan]

Our punter turnstile last year was just so damn weird.

[Richard Noggin]

5 hours ago, BillyWhiteShows said:

Won’t sign Cory....remember that once when he was a holder for a FG Zane for reason he’s the only one that thought the playcall was a fake.  That put him in the dughouse 

Uh...what?

[1ManRaid]

5 hours ago, gobills1212 said:

You know what they say about left footed punters...

They kick with their left foot!

*crickets*

 

*tumbleweed*

 

*cough*

 

 

BOOOOOOOOOO

[LeGOATski]

6 hours ago, The Bills Blog said:

Crossman is no longer with the team.

Gadammit, I forgot about that! Thanks.

 

That was a good decision. He didn't bring much to the table from what I saw.

[LeGOATski]

3 hours ago, cba fan said:

I agree Cory was pretty good in comparison to Dar Dar Dinks and Schmidt........however........everyone seems to forget the other Cory, Corey Carter, who looked to have a great chance of beating out Schmidt last training camp until he was injured in preseason.

Thanks to all the know-it-alls pointing out that we have Cory. If he's even better than Corey, then that's great.

[LeGOATski]

6 hours ago, Bubba Gump said:

39.4 yds net would be 2nd worst in the league to the Chargers. Most teams are above 40. We need a real punter for a change. I like the Minister, but he needs to be better. 

21st best, actually.

 

Less than half of qualifying punters were above 40.

 

Old-ish but good article on analyzing punters. It talks a lot about how misleading averages can be. Net average is obviously better, but it still only shows a small part of the whole picture.

Edited April 6, 2019 by LeGOATski

[gobills1212]

36 minutes ago, 1ManRaid said:

*crickets*

 

*tumbleweed*

 

*cough*

 

 

BOOOOOOOOOO

Lol, well at least you obviously understand when people are 'trying' to be funny

AND a strong sense of sarcasim to boot?

Yeesh, must be fun being the new guy who keeps up with longstanding 'jokes' going all the way back to 8/18!

Welcome!

 

Edited April 6, 2019 by gobills1212

[1ManRaid]

21 minutes ago, gobills1212 said:

Lol, well at least you obviously understand when people are 'trying' to be funny

AND a strong sense of sarcasim to boot?

Yeesh, must be fun being the new guy who keeps up with longstanding 'jokes' going all the way back to 8/18!

Welcome!

 

Man, you try SO hard.

 

"New guy"...lul.

[NickelCity]

3 hours ago, cba fan said:

I agree Cory was pretty good in comparison to Dar Dar Dinks and Schmidt........however........everyone seems to forget the other Cory, Corey Carter, who looked to have a great chance of beating out Schmidt last training camp until he was injured in preseason.

 

A perfectly valid point, but it is a bit funny considering this followed 2 pages of people doing anything BUT forgetting Carter. 

48 minutes ago, LeGOATski said:

Gadammit, I forgot about that! Thanks.

 

That was a good decision. He didn't bring much to the table from what I saw.

 

He was abysmal. His firing, along with Castillo, kicked off what turned out to be a fun offseason. Can't believe more than a few folks forgot! 

[JimmyNoodles]

Bojorquez (hope spelling is right) was easily our best punter last year. His job to lose. 

[Paulus]

7 hours ago, NewEra said:

Me too. I like his leg. It’s his head and nerves that scares me.  Once the game isn’t too big for him, I think he’ll be solid

I get that feeling, too. But, he is just a punter. Outside of placeholder (lol), punter has to be the most stressfree position. 

[Paulus]

7 hours ago, LeGOATski said:

I haven't seen it discussed, which isn't surprising. It's the ***** punter, you know? Are they even people?

 

Turns out they are...and we have one entering his 2nd year, named Corey.

 

When Bojorquez was punting the Bills netted 39.4 yards.

 

When the back-ups (Schmidt and Darr) were punting, the Bills netted 35 yards. That's actually a significant difference in the world of punting. Did I mention Corey was a rookie? He should only get better.

 

Old-ish but good article on analyzing punters. It talks a lot about how misleading averages can be. Net average is obviously better, but it still only shows a small part of the whole picture .

 

Looking at Corey's stats, his IN20:TB ratio was 5.5 to 1, which is great. His fair catch percentage was 20, which is not great, but his return yards average was only 6.9, which is great (10th in the league). So, guys were opting to return it pretty often, but the Bills' players were right there to make the tackle. That probably indicates good coverage and/or placement and/or hang time.

 

Darr wasn't too shabby at 8.0, but Schmidt was brutal at 16...yikes.

 

The Bills notably added some special teams aces in free agency, including Andre Roberts - last year's league leader in kick return yardage and average yards per punt return.

 

Roberts' returning repertoire may not help Bojorquez much, but Sinorise Perry will. He's a big contributor in blocking and coverage.

 

I'm overtly optimistic about the Bills' special teams potential this season. With enough improvement, that unit could turn the tide of a few games and generally provide a positive impact to the field position battle.

 

Special teams strategy is no mystery. In my opinion, the two factors that'll boost a unit towards the top are talent and creativity. It appears that the Bills have the talent, so now it's up to the coach.

 

In regards to Bombin' Bojo, I'd like to see him improve his fair catch percentage this season. He should also remain top 10 in average return yards. His IN20:TB ratio is great, but if he got it up to 6 or 7 he'd be tops in the league. The average yards doesn't matter much and the Buffalo weather has a significant impact on distance.

 

Can this special teams unit be top ten overall?

Why did you combine the two? 

 

Also, Darr netted 36.3 with the Bills in 2018, while netting 39.8 in his two years with the Dolphins. Quite frankly, the punter is not the entire problem on ST. With a proper ST, and some time to develop a bit, the kid will be a probowler. That is how bad I think our ST is. 

[MrEpsYtown]

The offseason has been way too exciting to talk about punters, but I guess something had to give eventually. Sometimes I wonder how Pat Pidgeon is doing these days. 

[NewEra]

22 minutes ago, Paulus said:

I get that feeling, too. But, he is just a punter. Outside of placeholder (lol), punter has to be the most stressfree position. 

Holding for FGs is pretty important.  Remember when he just chose to run a fake on his own? Bwahahahaha.  Decent leg though!

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

9 hours ago, freddyjj said:

Can either one be WR1 as both good size?

Things are looking up!  We would have been asking if the Ps could play O line, before the free agency signings!  ?

[Freddie's Dead]

Bodork is a choker.  We can do way better .

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

I’ve got it!!!  The Bills coach Bojorquez to punt right legged as well as left!  Special teams coaches around the league suffer stroke inducing brain freezes over defending that prospect.  “Which way will it spin?!”  Belichick is apoplectic over the development and allowing the Pats to lose out on Bojorquez, and retires to the swamps of Dagobah.  

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

Carter was doing good in preseason last year before he got hurt. They didn’t keep him around for no reason. At the end of the day I think he will be the punter.

[TDRupp]

7 minutes ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

Carter was doing good in preseason last year before he got hurt. They didn’t keep him around for no reason. At the end of the day I think he will be the punter.

 

I agree he has the best chance of those we have now. Could add another in draft (late) or a undrafted free agree agent

[JESSEFEFFER]

4 minutes ago, TDRupp said:

 

I agree he has the best chance of those we have now. Could add another in draft (late) or a undrafted free agree agent

The Bills obviously did not like their o-line group and attacked it with a vengeance.  I wonder how many of the 6 they signed actually make the 53 man roster.  It seemed like overkill but the Bills want the problem fixed and by boosting the numbers of NFL quality players and letting them compete for spots they feel like it will be.

 

That same philosophy could apply to fixing their punting and they may well draft one if there is one they really like.  Directional kicking, having different types of situational kicks, hang time and near zero mishits are what I'd look for.  The ten picks they have  right now can't all make the roster so I could see them 'burning" a late one on a punter.

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

26 minutes ago, TDRupp said:

 

I agree he has the best chance of those we have now. Could add another in draft (late) or a undrafted free agree agent

The actual punting of the ball part of bojorquez was good. There were just a lot of other errors that make him a little worrisome 

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

1 minute ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

The actual punting of the ball part of bojorquez was good. There were just a lot of other errors that make him a little worrisome 

There seemed to be less ‘wounded ducks’ coming off his foot.  Sometimes I wondered if the offensive blockers were going to take a ball to the back of their helmets when Schmidt was punting.

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

17 minutes ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said:

There seemed to be less ‘wounded ducks’ coming off his foot.  Sometimes I wondered if the offensive blockers were going to take a ball to the back of their helmets when Schmidt was punting.

Schmidt was terrible. Carter and Bojorquez were both much better imo.

[Seasons1992]

13 hours ago, Bills Fan of Maryland said:

....a punter thread? Really?

 

But but but, our best player for years was once Brian Moorman! Punters are people also. #punterstoo

[Coach Tuesday]

A thread about the third-string punter?  Which mistakenly assumes Crossman is still around?  Is it July?  

[gobills1212]

8 hours ago, 1ManRaid said:

Man, you try SO hard.

 

"New guy"...lul.

Didnt u just try and burn me for NOT trying hard enough? 

Im sorry, im just not going to explain it to you.

Its not my fault you didnt get it and made yourself look silly. Keep up, dont, i dont care but something tells me youll fit right in!

[Doc]

2 hours ago, JESSEFEFFER said:

The Bills obviously did not like their o-line group and attacked it with a vengeance.  I wonder how many of the 6 they signed actually make the 53 man roster.  It seemed like overkill but the Bills want the problem fixed and by boosting the numbers of NFL quality players and letting them compete for spots they feel like it will be.

 

That same philosophy could apply to fixing their punting and they may well draft one if there is one they really like.  Directional kicking, having different types of situational kicks, hang time and near zero mishits are what I'd look for.  The ten picks they have  right now can't all make the roster so I could see them 'burning" a late one on a punter.

 

I'm betting they all do.  I can't see any of the holdovers besides Dawkins any maybe Teller as being locks.

[LeGOATski]

16 hours ago, Paulus said:

Why did you combine the two? 

 

Also, Darr netted 36.3 with the Bills in 2018, while netting 39.8 in his two years with the Dolphins. Quite frankly, the punter is not the entire problem on ST. With a proper ST, and some time to develop a bit, the kid will be a probowler. That is how bad I think our ST is. 

Because it's Bojo vs Backups vs Cory to the death

[LeGOATski]

16 hours ago, MrEpsYtown said:

The offseason has been way too exciting to talk about punters, but I guess something had to give eventually. Sometimes I wonder how Pat Pidgeon is doing these days. 

Punters need love, too

 

Brian Moorman was always our best player growing up....

[Paulus]

1 hour ago, LeGOATski said:

Because it's Bojo vs Backups vs Cory to the death

Fair enough. The whole Darr having averaged 39.8 over his years with the Dolphins and watching that drop by 3.5 yards in Buffalo is sad. I think Bojo is the right move for next season. You don't get anywhere in the NFL using retreads, usually.