Grade players to Bills

[HOUSE]

 

A B C D F

 

 

WR Cole Beasley A

 

G Jon Feliciano C

 

OT Ty Nsekhe B

 

TE Tyler Kroft B

 

WR John Brown B

 

CB Kevin Johnson C

 

C Mitch Morse A

 

RB Frank Gore C

 

C/G Spencer Long C

 

WR Duke Williams B

 

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Edited March 13, 2019 by HOUSE

[formerlyofCtown]

14 minutes ago, HOUSE said:

 

A B C D F

 

 

WR Cole Beasley   

 

G Jon Feliciano-

 

OT Ty Nsekhe-

 

TE Tyler Kroft

 

WR John Brown

 

CB Kevin Johnson

 

C Mitch Morse

 

RB Frank Gore

 

C/G Spencer Long

 

WR Duke Williams

 

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So how did you grade them, or are you seeking info cuz you are not sure.  I will tell you next off season.  So far the FO gets an A for effort and filling needs through FA.

Edited March 13, 2019 by formerlyofCtown

[Chandler#81]

2 minutes ago, HOUSE said:

A B C D F

 

 

WR Cole Beasley A

 

G Jon Feliciano   D

 

OT Ty Nsekhe      C

 

TE Tyler Kroft.     C

 

WR John Brown. B

 

CB Kevin Johnson  D

 

C Mitch Morse.   A

 

RB Frank Gore.    B

 

C/G Spencer Long  C

 

Its kind of tough as we really don’t know a lot about most of these guys and where they’re at physically. A 34 yo who’s never started? Former 1st rounder who’s been disappointing when he isn’t on IR. Seemingly solid TE who’s recovering from injury. Morse, Gore, Beasley & Brown have good history and are improvements over our previous position players.

Overall, with the obvious exception of Morse, I’m not sure we’ve fixed our OL..

[HOUSE]

1 hour ago, formerlyofCtown said:

So how did you grade them, or are you seeking info cuz you are not sure.

I just did, little slow this morning

[BillsFan1988]

22 minutes ago, HOUSE said:

 

A B C D F

 

 

WR Cole Beasley A

 

G Jon Feliciano C

 

OT Ty Nsekhe B

 

TE Tyler Kroft B

 

WR John Brown B

 

CB Kevin Johnson C

 

C Mitch Morse A

 

RB Frank Gore C

 

C/G Spencer Long C

 

WR Duke Williams B

 

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The only signing I'm not exactly crazy about is Beasley . I thought we should of targeted a slot in the draft.  It's the best yr for slots probably the best ever.  Hopefully we still draft one of them. 

[HOUSE]

1 hour ago, BillsFan1988 said:

The only signing I'm not exactly crazy about is Beasley . I thought we should of targeted a slot in the draft.  It's the best yr for slots probably the best ever.  Hopefully we still draft one of them. 

 

I love that signing.....The fans are really pissed in Dallas

https://dfw.cbslocal.com/video/4045497-cole-beasley-is-bound-for-buffalo/

[billsbackto81]

A lot of these guys have spent a lot of time in the trainers tent. It will all depend on how they hold up. That being said the only signing that has me scratching my head is Kroft. I feel we could've done better even if he is a place holder for whoever we draft, hopefully Hockenson. 

Morse A

Beasley B

Brown B+

Johnson C+

Gore B-

Feliciano and Nsekhe TBD

[JoPar_v2]

Duke gets an I-incomplete from me until I hear some things about how he’s doing on an NFL with NFL teammates. Agree with House’s other grades.

[Nihilarian]

17 minutes ago, Chandler#81 said:

 

Its kind of tough as we really don’t know a lot about most of these guys and where they’re at physically. A 34 yo who’s never started? Former 1st rounder who’s been disappointing when he isn’t on IR. Seemingly solid TE who’s recovering from injury. Morse, Gore, Beasley & Brown have good history and are improvements over our previous position players.

Overall, with the obvious exception of Morse, I’m not sure we’ve fixed our OL..

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While the Bills didn't get a Richie Incognito pro bowler for the line. What they did was improve what they had on the roster and that center is a big part of it.  Feliciano, Nsekhe and Spencer Long are all better then what the Bills fielded last year.

 

Mitch Morse, 6'6'' 305 in his four years with the Chiefs with 49 starts has had 11 penalties with 7 holds, 4 false starts, 11 penalties total. While not a pro bowler he is a solid starter at center. A+ grade IMHO

 

Feliciano, 6'4'' 325 in his four years with the Raiders has played in 48 games with only 8 starts, 3 holds, 3 false starts, 7 penalties total.

 

Spencer Long, 6'5'' 318 in his 5 years in the NFL 53 games, 44 starts 2 holds, 1 false start and 2 that were declined, 5 penalties total. RG

 

Ty Nsekhe, 6'8'' 330 in his 5 years in the NFL 56 games, 16 starts 3 holds, 6 false starts, 2 declined, 11 penalties total. 

 

Plus, the Bills still have the rest of free agency and the draft to further upgrade the line if they want. 

[HOUSE]

1 hour ago, JoPar_v2 said:

Duke gets an I-incomplete from me until I hear some things about how he’s doing on an NFL with NFL teammates. Agree with House’s other grades.

 

Duke is a rare physical talent, I know you will like him. We shall see

[4merper4mer]

Johnson will be good IMO.  This operation knows what they're doing wrt DBs.

[badassgixxer05]

11 minutes ago, Nihilarian said:

While the Bills didn't get a Richie Incognito pro bowler for the line. What they did was improve what they had on the roster and that center is a big part of it.  Feliciano, Nsekhe and Spencer Long are all better then what the Bills fielded last year.

 

Mitch Morse, 6'6'' 305 in his four years with the Chiefs with 49 starts has had 11 penalties with 7 holds, 4 false starts, 11 penalties total. While not a pro bowler he is a solid starter at center. A+ grade IMHO

 

Feliciano, 6'4'' 325 in his four years with the Raiders has played in 48 games with only 8 starts, 3 holds, 3 false starts, 7 penalties total.

 

Spencer Long, 6'5'' 318 in his 5 years in the NFL 53 games, 44 starts 2 holds, 1 false start and 2 that were declined, 5 penalties total. RG

 

Ty Nsekhe, 6'8'' 330 in his 5 years in the NFL 56 games, 16 starts 3 holds, 6 false starts, 2 declined, 11 penalties total. 

 

Plus, the Bills still have the rest of free agency and the draft to further upgrade the line if they want. 

Wow, those are some big boys... ?

[BobbyC81]

19 minutes ago, Nihilarian said:

While the Bills didn't get a Richie Incognito pro bowler for the line. What they did was improve what they had on the roster and that center is a big part of it.  Feliciano, Nsekhe and Spencer Long are all better then what the Bills fielded last year.

 

Mitch Morse, 6'6'' 305 in his four years with the Chiefs with 49 starts has had 11 penalties with 7 holds, 4 false starts, 11 penalties total. While not a pro bowler he is a solid starter at center. A+ grade IMHO

 

Feliciano, 6'4'' 325 in his four years with the Raiders has played in 48 games with only 8 starts, 3 holds, 3 false starts, 7 penalties total.

 

Spencer Long, 6'5'' 318 in his 5 years in the NFL 53 games, 44 starts 2 holds, 1 false start and 2 that were declined, 5 penalties total. RG

 

Ty Nsekhe, 6'8'' 330 in his 5 years in the NFL 56 games, 16 starts 3 holds, 6 false starts, 2 declined, 11 penalties total. 

 

Plus, the Bills still have the rest of free agency and the draft to further upgrade the line if they want. 

 

I'll be interested to see, once these contracts are official, how the team looks with the salary cap.

[Doc Brown]

The thing I really like about these deals is the way most are structured.  After a year or two we can get out of most of these deals relatively painlessly.  Beane gets a B plus so far and can be upgraded if he lands Ansah.

[maryland-bills-fan]

16 minutes ago, badassgixxer05 said:

Wow, those are some big boys... ?

I think the Bills have picked up linemen who are young veterans with higher ceilings than they have been able to show. Several of them were blocked by better players at their positions or by being a bit of a scheme mis-fit for their offensive strategy.    You are right, they are all big boys.  This immediately suggests, at least to me, that the are looking at a power running game and a smash mouth type offensive line.  They also have a big, young QB with a great arm.  Sounds like they can pound the ball (with older, smart running backs who might not break away but can follow a big ugly for 6 yards every time) and then have Allen throw a play action long pass to the WR or TE.  (Notice they have gottn several straight line speed guys)

 

With that in mind, I have to think that G Jon Feliciano  might fit in quite well and would give him a B grade.

[Nihilarian]

CBS Sports thinks the Bills did a good job so far,  

Buffalo Bills

Quietly, Buffalo is putting together a very nice offseason. It's impossible to just go out and make massive splashes when you're in a position like the Bills. Instead, they've done a very good job assembling some cheaper talent to put around Josh Allen.

Notably, they scored deals with Cole Beasley -- an excellent slot weapon to help ease the burden on Allen in terms of short-yardage throws -- and John Brown, who can take the top off any defense and pairs well with Allen's monster arm. Mitch Morse is expensive, but he's a young (26 years old) center to grow with Allen and help protect the young quarterback up front. Tyler Kroft was also an overpriced tight end weapon, but he's young, he flashed for the Bengals and, again, it can't be overstated how important it is for Allen to have some decent weapons.

The Bills also added Kevin Johnson as a young, upside-filled cornerback, picked up Jon Feliciano and Ty Nsekhe as potential starters/depth on the offensive line and even managed to add Frank Gore. Yes, the running back group is 95 years old combined, but there's some reliable skill guys there. 

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/2019-nfl-free-agency-day-2-john-dorsey-browns-win-big-while-giants-are-biggest-losers/

 

 

[TPS]

1 minute ago, Doc Brown said:

The thing I really like about these deals is the way most are structured.  After a year or two we can get out of most of these deals relatively painlessly.  Beane gets a B plus so far and can be upgraded if he lands Ansah.

Yes, I'm more inclined to grade Beane's performance rather than the individuals signed.

WR: A-

2 players that open up the field for the passing game, Brown's speed and Beasley's' ability to separate and solid hands. If Duke makes it, he could provide the size. A good group for Daboll to work with now.

OL: B/B+

It's safe to say the additions of Morse, Ty, Long, and feliciano outweigh the losses of Groy, Miller, Mills, and (most likely) Bodine. The line is improved with the addition of Morse alone (B grade), and the higher grade will depend on how much better the others are.

TE: B

Solid pick of an all around player at position of need. While he had everyone focused on James, Kroft may have been the target all along.

Other: B+

Adding competition at CB with a former R1 pick was a solid move. I'm in the camp that believes signing Gore sent a message that Buffalo is a place to be.

 

Overall grade: A-

Filling needs so they can go bpa in the draft, judicious use of the cap space, and contracts that provide ample room to sign their own in the near future is damn good work.

 

 

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

the moves A+. 

 

can not give a full grade until at least a full season to see how the moves/drafts worked out.

[CaptnCoke11]

1 hour ago, formerlyofCtown said:

So how did you grade them, or are you seeking info cuz you are not sure.  I will tell you next off season.  So far the FO gets an A for effort and filling needs through FA.

He used his years of NFL scouting and pro personnel experience... aka probably looked at Madden rankings 

[The Wiz]

I'm honestly kind of surprised no one has complain about the lack of defensive fa signings. 

 

I like all the signings so far. Solid B average on paper. Other than Morse and Beasley, I'm sure they are hoping some of the other guys can end up being starters instead of spot players. I find it hard to believe that any of the Oline guys we signed are worse than vlad and Miller. 

Edited March 13, 2019 by The Wiz

[MrEpsYtown]

I think we are actually sleeping on Spencer Long a bit. I really like his addition, especially now with the addition of Morse. I really liked Spencer Long's game at Nebraska. He's big and nasty and has a bit of Richie Incognito in him, without the douchebaggery and valium induced twitter rants. I just hope they leave him at right guard, which is where he played at Nebraska and where I think he should play here. I think the other guard position will be a competition between Teller and Feliciano. Both are nasty, super strong players. I like Teller a fair amount more than most, and I'd like to see him win that job, but I like the Feliciano add. I still think they could add a guard or a RT, but we shall see how it all shakes out. But don't sleep on Spencer Long.   

 

2 minutes ago, The Wiz said:

I'm honestly kind of surprised no one has complain about the lack of defensive fa signings. 

 

I like all the signings so far. Other than Morse and Beasley, I'm sure they are hoping some of the other guys can end up being starters instead of spot players. I find it hard to believe that any of the Oline guys we signed are worse than vlad and Miller. 

 

I do think, based on no evidence, that they are working a trade for a defensive end. I do not think they will be able to get a 3 tech in free agency and I think that will come via the draft. I think they will add special teams depth players, like David Mayo, to the linebacking corps...but that's second and third wave of free agency stuff.  

Edited March 13, 2019 by MrEpsYtown

[HiddenInLight]

I like what we did, the only guy I'm not pleased about is Kroft.  I'd like for us to sign or draft another TE before the season starts.  I can't place my finger on why I dont like the signing. Just a bad gut feeling.

[PromoTheRobot]

2 hours ago, HOUSE said:

 

A B C D F

 

 

WR Cole Beasley A

 

G Jon Feliciano C

 

OT Ty Nsekhe B

 

TE Tyler Kroft B

 

WR John Brown B

 

CB Kevin Johnson C

 

C Mitch Morse A

 

RB Frank Gore C

 

C/G Spencer Long C

 

WR Duke Williams B

 

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If they signed with the Bills there must be something wrong with all of them. Otherwise they would have signed elsewhere.

 

/s

[The Wiz]

2 minutes ago, HiddenInLight said:

I like what we did, the only guy I'm not pleased about is Kroft.  I'd like for us to sign or draft another TE before the season starts.  I can't place my finger on why I dont like the signing. Just a bad gut feeling.

Just a hunch but I feel like we grab a TE in one of the first two rounds. 

[HOUSE]

2 hours ago, DaBillsFanSince1973 said:

the moves A+. 

 

can not give a full grade until at least a full season to see how the moves/drafts worked out.

 

Come on, live on the edge. Ride the motorcycle backwards.

Edited March 13, 2019 by HOUSE

[Dopey]

32 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said:

I think we are actually sleeping on Spencer Long a bit. I really like his addition, especially now with the addition of Morse. I really liked Spencer Long's game at Nebraska. He's big and nasty and has a bit of Richie Incognito in him, without the douchebaggery and valium induced twitter rants. I just hope they leave him at right guard, which is where he played at Nebraska and where I think he should play here. I think the other guard position will be a competition between Teller and Feliciano. Both are nasty, super strong players. I like Teller a fair amount more than most, and I'd like to see him win that job, but I like the Feliciano add. I still think they could add a guard or a RT, but we shall see how it all shakes out. But don't sleep on Spencer Long.   

 

 

I do think, based on no evidence, that they are working a trade for a defensive end. I do not think they will be able to get a 3 tech in free agency and I think that will come via the draft. I think they will add special teams depth players, like David Mayo, to the linebacking corps...but that's second and third wave of free agency stuff.  

I'm glad I read through all the posts. I was going to say the same thing. The Jets had him at Center and he played with a injured hand. He had issues with high and wide snaps due to this. I also would keep him at guard, as he is way better than Miller was there. With his hand healed, he can be a backup center too.

[Whites Bay]

 

CBS Sports thinks the Bills did a good job so far,  

Buffalo Bills

Quietly, Buffalo is putting together a very nice offseason. It's impossible to just go out and make massive splashes when you're in a position like the Bills. Instead, they've done a very good job assembling some cheaper talent to put around Josh Allen.

I'm not one to whine about the national media bashing the team or the city, but this one has me puzzled.  "In a position like the Bills..."?  Huh?  It's a team that shed a ton of salary money last year (and, consequently, couldn't spend much), with the specific and stated purpose of clearing things out so as to go shopping THIS year.  I mean, that's just plain ignorant.

 

I guess the author is referring to the oft-stated opinion that big-time players don't want to play in Buffalo.  Mitch Morse says hello from his front deck...

[Niagara Dude]

27 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

If they signed with the Bills there must be something wrong with all of them. Otherwise they would have signed elsewhere.

 

/s

Wasted money,  you win with star play making players. Beane just spent loads of money on medicore guys that will not do much . This looks a lot like the year Marv Levy was GM and spent huge money on medicore guys.  How did that turn out?

[JoshAllenHasBigHands]

15 minutes ago, Niagara Dude said:

Wasted money,  you win with star play making players. Beane just spent loads of money on medicore guys that will not do much . This looks a lot like the year Marv Levy was GM and spent huge money on medicore guys.  How did that turn out?

 

Stars matter.  Question though, how many free agent stars go on to make the superbowl?  Seriously, take the time to look up how often it happens.  It is breathtakingly infrequent. 

 

Free agency is for filling holes.  You draft to get stars. 

[dgrochester55]

WR Cole Beasley A, C Mitch Morse A

 

OT Ty Nsekhe B+, WR John Brown B+

 

G Jon Feliciano B

 

CB Kevin Johnson C+, RB Frank Gore C+

 

TE Tyler Kroft C, C/G Spencer Long C

 

WR Duke Williams INC

 

Overall   A-.   Sure,  an Antonio Brown of Leveon Bell would have been nice but I love what was done overall.    The last two years was a lot of doing the best they could with limited talent in a lot of positions.   These players are all likely upgrades over who they are replacing.  We have a legitimate starting caliber receiving group and a veteran offensive line.     There is no position group with any huge holes.   I would like to see a little more at running back and tight end but there is still plenty of off season left.     Now in the draft, they can truly focus on picking best player available.  

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Chuck Wagon]

Morse & Brown are the two that excite me the most currently.  Beasley is fine, seems a little pricey but the way the contract is structured there's no long term risk.  Nsekhe seems potentially the most interesting, could easily be just a guy who played decent as a fill in or has the potential to be a very solid starter at a tackle spot for a very nice price.

 

Gore, Johnson, Feliciano, Kroft, Long all seem pretty meh to be.  Upgrades on what we have but I'm not expecting any diamonds in the rough there.

 

I think Beane strung together a bunch of base hits and maybe a couple of doubles.  But when you have Antonio Brown, Odell Beckham and Leveon Bell changing teams within a week and we were rumored to have some level of involvement with all 3 (however much exaggerated) it's really hard to say we hit a big home run.

Edited March 13, 2019 by Chuck Wagon

[Niagara Dude]

1 hour ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said:

 

Stars matter.  Question though, how many free agent stars go on to make the superbowl?  Seriously, take the time to look up how often it happens.  It is breathtakingly infrequent. 

 

Free agency is for filling holes.  You draft to get stars. 

I would agree,  but sometimes it is better to sign quality, not quantity,  playmakers are guys that win you games.  I think the Browns were smart they added quality players,  i still remember when Levy signed a bunch of mediocre players and everyone got excited.  No difference makers,

[JoshAllenHasBigHands]

5 minutes ago, Niagara Dude said:

I would agree,  but sometimes it is better to sign quality, not quantity,  playmakers are guys that win you games.  I think the Browns were smart they added quality players,  i still remember when Levy signed a bunch of mediocre players and everyone got excited.  No difference makers,

 

It didn't work when the Eagles did however many years ago, and it hasn't worked for any other team that has tried that tactic.  I mean, name one, really.  

 

The Browns may be the exception, and its easy to get excited in the offseason, but when the games start, I bet the Browns are still an average team.  At the end of the day, they will only be as good Baker Mayfield.  If he gets better, and is able to complete to OBJ, they will be good.  If not, they will remain average. 

[947]

WR Cole Beasley- B+

G Jon Feliciano B+

OT Ty Nsekhe A

TE Tyler Kroft B

WR John Brown B

CB Kevin Johnson C

C Mitch Morse A

RB Frank Gore C

C/G Spencer Long B

WR Duke Williams B

 

Guys like Nsekhe, Long, Feliciano, & Duke are solid grades because they came really cheap & have a chance to be solid starters. I don't see how these can be graded any lower than a B.