WR John Brown (Ravens) to the Bills

[Turk71]

1 hour ago, Ol Dirty B said:

 I'm in this late, but that sounds amazing. 

 

Now Sidney, was she hot? But seriously the other stuff sounds crazy.

Pretty cool memory, Alcindor was an absolute giant and he would rebound and  then hand to me to feed Oscar Robertson for the shot ? I used to go early with my brother the usher and get autographs and meet the players. The Sabres games my brother was the usher for Knox' section in the golds. He had an extra seat for his phone. I had a bunch of pucks from chasing them in the hallway and I would get them autographed along with my hockey sticks. I played right wing and wore Roberts number so he gave me a stick and the French Connection autographed it. My buddy's dad was the penalty box guy and got all the broken sticks, he would give me some that weren't that broken and I would get them autographed. Good memories roaming around the old Aud.

Edited March 13, 2019 by Turk71

[interpolitix]

11 hours ago, auburnbillsbacker said:

That is why I hate the moves.  I would rather have a stud than several mediocre players.  

I would rather have a Benz than a Mazda but ya know, I have a Mazda, so I deal, instead of pining for the thing I can’t have or hating the thing I do. 

59 minutes ago, Mrbojanglezs said:

Is it just me or does brown look slower on game film than what his 40 time indicates

Are you suggesting that 40 time doesn’t directly correlate to in-game success and failure? 

[Turk71]

8 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

My family split season tix with somebody in those days. I LOVED the NBA back then. Now,  I don’t watch much until the Finals. Those Braves teams were awesome!  No need to name the rosters for you, but Bob Kauffman lived behind us and my sister used to babysit for them. He was a GREAT guy, great wife and have great memories and stories from those days. 

That is awesome. The old Braves were really exciting. I don't watch too much pro ball either till the end. My sister went to Buff State and was a big Randy Smith fan. 

[interpolitix]

4 hours ago, FreeMaxB585 said:

I hate this and the beasley move. next year is a LOADED WR FA CLASS. now we will be out bid by other teams oh guys who can actually provide a great future for us for 2 guys average at best. beasley has had one mediocre season same with brown, instead of waiting one more year we over paid on 2 average guys.

 

we also couldve gotten jared cook from the raiders a pro bowler and not an injury prone bum who hasnt proved anything his entire time with the  bengals. cook wouldve been a better grab

Cole Beasley has more career receptions than all but three Bills receivers, ever. ALSO, these players have to WANT to be here. Let’s stop deluding ourselves and acknowledge that Buffalo is not necessarily a desirable locale for young, affluent millionaires...despite it’s charms and our undying love for it.

[Turk71]

1 hour ago, 2018 Our Year For Sure said:

Over The Cap has it at $3.2M

https://overthecap.com/player/john-brown/3030/

Yep, the last two years of the 4.8M prorated bonus.

[Turk71]

45 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

My family split season tix with somebody in those days. I LOVED the NBA back then. Now,  I don’t watch much until the Finals. Those Braves teams were awesome!  No need to name the rosters for you, but Bob Kauffman lived behind us and my sister used to babysit for them. He was a GREAT guy, great wife and have great memories and stories from those days. 

Just realized something embarrassing, it was Lucius Allen and not Sidney Wicks on that Buck team. Got the UCLA stars confused. Hard to believe that was around 47 years ago.

[Freddie's Dead]

2 hours ago, Turk71 said:

***** stole our Braves, I got to rebound for Lew Alcindor (Kareem), Lucius Allen and Oscar Robertson at halftime of a game with the Bucks. I was at the game early with my brother who was an usher at the Aud. I was asked to be the official JC Penney Jr. Buffalo Brave ballboy for the night, cause I was wearing my Penneys Jr Brave sweatshirt. I actually got to sit under the basket on the back of the padded base with a guy who worked for the Aud. Lucius Allen came piling into us on a fast break. I was probably around 10 or 11.  No way they would let a kid sit there these days.

Starting lineup in 1977:  Ernie D, Randy Smith, Adrian Dantley, John Schumate, Bob McAdoo.  Yeah, that happened.  In Buffalo.  We also had Moses Malone for like a day.

[Turk71]

35 minutes ago, Freddie's Dead said:

Starting lineup in 1977:  Ernie D, Randy Smith, Adrian Dantley, John Schumate, Bob McAdoo.  Yeah, that happened.  In Buffalo.  We also had Moses Malone for like a day.

Ernie No D ?

[Freddie's Dead]

5 hours ago, Turk71 said:

Ernie No D ?

 

99% from the stripe.  His knees did him in.

 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

17 hours ago, NoHuddleKelly12 said:

I know you're doing you're best to rocket up the troll standings today, but in the meantime we have actual football to discuss, of which our FO clearly knows more than the level of insight being brought to the table in your offerings. Try again. 

 

17 hours ago, NoHuddleKelly12 said:

Unfortunately, so does the joke of your trolling what is clearly a decent FA period for the Bills right now.

how can a guy Troll for 10 years and still be active?

 

 

[QuoteTheRaven83]

19 hours ago, Virgil said:

Eh.  Couldn’t get it done in Baltimore and they were quick to move on. And that’s with Flacco,  not Jackson.  

 

I just don’t see the need with who we already have. 

 

600 yds and 4 TD's through Week 9 with Flacco throwing him the ball. Was probably on track for 1000 yds and 8 TDs on the year if Flacco wasnt benched. Horrible

[nucci]

8 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

I like John Brown.........overpaid by $1M-$2M per year but it's conceivable he could be worth it because he's a game breaker.

 

It looks like they would be stuck with about $6.2M in dead money next year if it didn't pan out and they decided to cut him.

based on what? 

[YoloinOhio]

 

[YoloinOhio]

 

[Augie]

8 hours ago, Turk71 said:

Just realized something embarrassing, it was Lucius Allen and not Sidney Wicks on that Buck team. Got the UCLA stars confused. Hard to believe that was around 47 years ago.

 

Yes, indeed. Wow......

[PetermansRedemption]

3 hours ago, QuoteTheRaven83 said:

 

600 yds and 4 TD's through Week 9 with Flacco throwing him the ball. Was probably on track for 1000 yds and 8 TDs on the year if Flacco wasnt benched. Horrible

Quoted for truth. I’ve been pushing this since the signing. He was on pace for a very very good year with a QB that actually throws and isn’t a glorified RB. 

[BADOLBILZ]

5 hours ago, nucci said:

based on what? 

 

 

My opinion of what a 3 year deal for a guy at his age who has averaged 500 receiving yards per season the past 3 years should be worth?    

 

I like John Brown a lot.   I will like it better if there is a bigger, better replacement for him in two years.   And signing him gives the Bills a chance to pull the trigger on a WR in this draft when it makes sense rather than reaching.   Sensible pickup.   Not every good strategic move is a bargain.

[Stank_Nasty]

8 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

My opinion of what a 3 year deal for a guy at his age who has averaged 500 receiving yards per season the past 3 years should be worth?    

 

I like John Brown a lot.   I will like it better if there is a bigger, better replacement for him in two years.   And signing him gives the Bills a chance to pull the trigger on a WR in this draft when it makes sense rather than reaching.   Sensible pickup.   Not every good strategic move is a bargain.

pointless hypothetical here..... say the ravens ride flacco to their death last year and brown keeps up his 1100 yd pace or even regress a bit and jussssstt cracks 1000.

 

did we overpay then? and are your views different on him then?...… do you think he can be that 1000 yd guy he was on the way to being before Jackson came in a they took their time machine back to the 1950's?

 

I get that 1000 isn't what it used to be but its still solid. doesn't mean we aren't still looking for a top end #1.

[akm0404]

I wonder what the “overpay” crowd thinks his next best offer was?

 

While we can’t really know, I’d suspect it was very, very close. 

[YoloinOhio]

 

[BADOLBILZ]

8 hours ago, Stank_Nasty said:

pointless hypothetical here..... say the ravens ride flacco to their death last year and brown keeps up his 1100 yd pace or even regress a bit and jussssstt cracks 1000.

 

did we overpay then? and are your views different on him then?...… do you think he can be that 1000 yd guy he was on the way to being before Jackson came in a they took their time machine back to the 1950's?

 

I get that 1000 isn't what it used to be but its still solid. doesn't mean we aren't still looking for a top end #1.

 

He's so scheme specific I think you really gotta' be careful with the hypotheticals with him.

 

I followed him closely so I was green with envy for the first half of the season.........because he'd have been a great fit with Josh Allen............but on perhaps 2/3 of the teams in the league he might struggle just to get snaps because he's a tiny deep threat.   You'll go broke with him as a top 2 WR in an offense like the Rams, IMO.   Just too many incompletions and not sure he could stand up to the constant punishment that guys like Bob Woods or Cooper Kupp receive.   So IMO $9M is a sweet chunk of change for that kinda' guy.

 

That said.......the reality of the contract is the guarantees and how they are loaded......... and they are very team favorable IMO and he could be cut next year and leave only around a $3M grease spot on the salary cap.

 

 

[SmokinES3]

11 hours ago, Bills2ref said:

Quoted for truth. I’ve been pushing this since the signing. He was on pace for a very very good year with a QB that actually throws and isn’t a glorified RB. 

It's true. Jackson is awful.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

 

 

 

It's corny but ..... 

[YoloinOhio]

 

[Deranged Rhino]

5 hours ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

It's corny but ..... 

 

What is hilarious about the chosen clip to mash up is that it's a short/under thrown ball to Brown  

 

Why not use a deep shot to Brown instead?

[stony]

32 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

What is hilarious about the chosen clip to mash up is that it's a short/under thrown ball to Brown  

 

Why not use a deep shot to Brown instead?

I'm just gonna roll with "it was a smart, well-placed back shoulder throw" that got caught up in the wind a bit.  

[Doc]

7 hours ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

 

 

 

It's corny but ..... 

 

No buts about it.

[JerseyBills]

Looks like a perfect weapon. Defenses have to prepare for his speed, plus Foster ! I could see Brown looking like he did in Arizona early on

[2020 Our Year For Sure]

He's got some creativity after the catch too, far from just a run straight and get tackled type. He's not going to be just a deep threat

[Big Gun]

On 3/12/2019 at 12:42 PM, Rico said:

I thought he looked pretty good earlier in the year with Flacco myself before the bottom kinda fell out. 

 

 

Yup, I think Baltimore is going to regret putting all their eggs in LJ basket. Good for us though as they didn't seem to want Brown anymore.

[Doc]

Beasley should be able to feast in this offense with Brown and Foster backing CBs and Ss off. 

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

21 hours ago, pop gun said:

Yup, I think Baltimore is going to regret putting all their eggs in LJ basket. Good for us though as they didn't seem to want Brown anymore.

 

...agree....don't see him as much more than "one read and then run".........painful to remember those posts advocating McBeane taking him at #12..........

[Chandler#81]

4 hours ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

...agree....don't see him as much more than "one read and then run".........painful to remember those posts advocating McBeane taking him at #12..........

nah, he’s got some wiggle. More than Glass Goodwin, anyway. Plus, if he becomes just “one read and then run”, he’s pretty damn good at the second part of that for the AllenCanon. In theory and on paper, he & Foster will completely erase 8 in the box which benefits Shady, Gore, Beasley & Zay.

[Logic]

19 minutes ago, Chandler#81 said:

nah, he’s got some wiggle. More than Glass Goodwin, anyway. Plus, if he becomes just “one read and then run”, he’s pretty damn good at the second part of that for the AllenCanon. In theory and on paper, he & Foster will completely erase 8 in the box which benefits Shady, Gore, Beasley & Zay.

I think AFLGuy was talking about Lamar Jackson, not John Brown, when he made the comment about "one read and run".

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

19 minutes ago, Logic said:

I think AFLGuy was talking about Lamar Jackson, not John Brown, when he made the comment about "one read and run".

...thanks bud and you're correct...........sure as hell hope Jackson is a lot smarter with the football than he sounds in pressers....makes Leodis sound like Winston Churchill.....

[eball]

2 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

...thanks bud and you're correct...........sure as hell hope Jackson is a lot smarter with the football than he sounds in pressers....makes Leodis sound like Winston Churchill.....

 

I'm dumbfounded by Harbaugh's decision.  I think the success Jackson and the Ravens had last year was similar to when the Wildcat first came out -- for a while it was successful and then teams figured it out.  The Chargers certainly figured it out by the time the playoffs rolled around.  Jackson does not come across as a smart guy -- that doesn't mean he lacks football intelligence, but I just don't see this ending well for Baltimore.

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

Just now, eball said:

 

I'm dumbfounded by Harbaugh's decision.  I think the success Jackson and the Ravens had last year was similar to when the Wildcat first came out -- for a while it was successful and then teams figured it out.  The Chargers certainly figured it out by the time the playoffs rolled around.  Jackson does not come across as a smart guy -- that doesn't mean he lacks football intelligence, but I just don't see this ending well for Baltimore.

 

...EXACTLY....you have NAILED it and I agree 126%........Harbaugh timed his extension just right......putting his "eggs in Jackson's basket"??.....I'd bet they turn out HARD BOILED (TURRIBLE joke OLDIE....spare these folks and go back to Aruba).............

[Stank_Nasty]

48 minutes ago, eball said:

 

I'm dumbfounded by Harbaugh's decision.  I think the success Jackson and the Ravens had last year was similar to when the Wildcat first came out -- for a while it was successful and then teams figured it out.  The Chargers certainly figured it out by the time the playoffs rolled around.  Jackson does not come across as a smart guy -- that doesn't mean he lacks football intelligence, but I just don't see this ending well for Baltimore.

agreed.... chargers were the first team that got to see them a 2nd time. we saw how that worked out.

[3rdand12]

On 3/15/2019 at 10:04 AM, Doc said:

Beasley should be able to feast in this offense with Brown and Foster backing CBs and Ss off. 

Sum of the pieces perhaps?
Great pickups and very different players.
 should challenge Allen to better see the whole field. Bills can play both under or over the secondary (safeties) in theory

[Nanker]

Anybody who doesn't think that Josh getting 90% of the snaps and coaching attention during TC and the PS won't have major benefits is looney.

Ditto for those who thing the attention given to the Line and receivers in this FA OS period won't have a positive influence on his development and that of the entire Offense are kidding themselves.