Calling it now: Zay Jones will not be on the week 1 roster.

[racketmaster]

Foster, Beasley, Brown, Williams, and Roberts for special teams. Bills would likely need to keep 6 wrs in order for Zay to make the team. I'm not sure if a team would be willing to trade for Jones but maybe Beane can work some of his magic and get a mid to late round pick for him.

Edited March 14, 2019 by racketmaster

[DefenseWins]

I think that the Bills will keep 6 WRs. And Jones will be one of those 6. You are always gonna have to deal with injuries. And the "rookie" will need time to develop. And of course he is still on his rookie contract. He'd have to have an awful training camp which I don't foresee happening. I also thought that he started coming on late last season. Hell, Eric Moulds was absolutely horrible his 1st few years and he turned out pretty well. Also, keep in mind that if ANY of the guys the Bills added in FA fail to perform, get seriously injured for a long stretch of the season Zay could prove to be an excellent insurance policy

[Figster]

53 minutes ago, Real McCoy said:

No I mean Woods like I said whom I never gave up on as well when he was a Bill like many other forum fans did. The reason for that was simple as I knew some lumps as poor QB play was the only thing holding the guy back.  You honestly don't think poor OC play calling and QB play year 1 did not affect him? Or last seasons 4 QB carousel and horrible O-line pass protection did not either? 

 

Things take time to develop and I'm willing to see it pan out between him and Allen another year before I make my final assessment.  I'm pretty sure Beane and McD see it the exact same way as well. 

So I'm calling it now: Zay Jones will 100% be on the roster and in the starting WR rotation week 1 if not injured.

 

I second the motion. 

[RocCityRoller]

Well OP, it is looking more tentative than before. Signing 4 WR (Williams/Brown/Beasley/Roberts) makes things harder.

 

I don't get the Z Jones hate here. He was a 2nd round pick that was known as a bit of a project best suited to #2 or slot when he was drafted. Shame on OBD for not taking JJ Smith-Shuster instead. That is not on Z Jones. Jones, Foster and JA started to connect last year.

 

I do think he will have to ball out enough for Buffalo to keep 6 WR. 2 fast outside WR in Foster and Brown, 2 Slot WR in Beasley and Jones, ST in Roberts.

 

Ray Ray is gone gone. McKenzie is bubble at best maybe PS?. D Thompson is probably gone (like this guy, but never connected with JA).

 

I did hear that JA is doing reps in CA with Darnold and all of the top 4 Buffalo WR from last year are joining him. Who knows? It's a plus for JA and the WR is nothing else.

Maybe one of them joins the Jets?

[Shaw66]

1 hour ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said:

 

I get it, and I give you credit for that. But the vague “trade so and so” talk is coded language for get them offf the team. His value is like a 6th. A guy who probably won’t make the team. It’s tantamount to cutting him.

I have a new found appreciation for day 3 picks.  Watchuing Beane I see how useful they are, often just to trade to move up.  

 

I think of a sixth this way:  every year some undrafted free agent makes the team. Finding those guys isn't easy, but it isn't just luck, either.  Often, you have an undrafted rookie you want but he signs someplace else. If you have an extra late-round pick you don't lose that guy - you draft him.   

 

So if you don't need Zay, and you're going to cut him, getting a 6th for him is fine.  He was taken in the second or third, produced for a couple of years.  Then if you get a 6th for him, you got some value out of your pick. 

[Alphadawg7]

1 hour ago, Real McCoy said:

No I mean Woods like I said whom I never gave up on as well when he was a Bill like many other forum fans did. The reason for that was simple as I knew some lumps as poor QB play was the only thing holding the guy back.  You honestly don't think poor OC play calling and QB play year 1 did not affect him? Or last seasons 4 QB carousel and horrible O-line pass protection did not either? 

 

Things take time to develop and I'm willing to see it pan out between him and Allen another year before I make my final assessment.  I'm pretty sure Beane and McD see it the exact same way as well. 

So I'm calling it now: Zay Jones will 100% be on the roster and in the starting WR rotation week 1 if not injured.

 

 

Woods left as a FA.  Woods was then and is now better than Zay. 

[HappyDays]

Not sure if he'll be cut but he won't be any higher than #4 on the depth chart which means he is officially a backup. I love that this regime didn't sit back and wait for a failed pick to "develop." Cut your losses and move on. Zay will never be a playmaker in the NFL.

[PetermansRedemption]

Or maybe Zay shouldn’t have been relied on to be the number 1 or 2 receiver immediately. If he wasn’t on a team of cast off WR’s he could have developed properly. Relying on a 2nd round pick in his second year as your top option is not a recipe for success. Even with that, Zay had 652 yards and 7 TDS, nothing to sneeze at. His yards per game went from 20 in his first season to 40 in his second. He has improved. Now that he isn’t going to be relied on as “the guy” he might actually be able to develop some. You keep Zay for at least one more year, likely two. 

[Alphadawg7]

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2825008-2019-nfl-free-agency-which-players-jobs-are-in-danger-after-early-signings?share=sms#slide5

 

Interesting, names two Bills who could be on hot seat after FA.  I don’t agree Gore signing puts McCoy on hot seat, especially since McCoy was a big reason why Gore came here. 

 

But they also named Zay ? and pretty much said everything I’ve been saying for a while now

[Laughing Coffin]

It would be a big surprise for him to be cut just because he’s so cheap on his contract.  Cutting him saves no money this year.  He’s an underrated run blocker too

[formerlyofCtown]

Or maybe he will improve even more this year than last and surprise all the doubters.  Year three is the bench mark for WR developement afterall.

On 3/13/2019 at 4:49 PM, transplantbillsfan said:

Doubt it.

 

Beane really likes Zay.  There was some interview this offseason where he went out of his way to praise Zay and even mentioning the need to come up with a contract for him in a couple years.

Hes seen him naked.?

[formerlyofCtown]

On 3/13/2019 at 10:04 PM, HappyDays said:

Not sure if he'll be cut but he won't be any higher than #4 on the depth chart which means he is officially a backup. I love that this regime didn't sit back and wait for a failed pick to "develop." Cut your losses and move on. Zay will never be a playmaker in the NFL.

He already is, he made several last season.

[formerlyofCtown]

4 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2825008-2019-nfl-free-agency-which-players-jobs-are-in-danger-after-early-signings?share=sms#slide5

 

Interesting, names two Bills who could be on hot seat after FA.  I don’t agree Gore signing puts McCoy on hot seat, especially since McCoy was a big reason why Gore came here. 

 

But they also named Zay ? and pretty much said everything I’ve been saying for a while now

The only ones that need more work on their player evaluation skills than the national media are some of the posters on here.

Im not saying he is or isnt going to be here.  However, if he shows improvement from last season to the end of camp then he isnt going anywhere.

You have no idea how much he has improved over the offseason as a young still developing WR.  Its really a foolish statement for someone to make.

[Jpsredemption]

He should be competing for a roster spot. Nothing more. He was a default no. 1 last year and even at Miami which was his best game of the year he had critical drops. Hes not explosive and gas suspect hands not a good recipe.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

current WR on the roster from the Bills website

 

John Brown
Robert Foster

Zay Jones

Isaiah McKenzie

Cole Beasley - based on his #'s he looks to be a short yardage guy 

 

If we ever see it ^ that is your 5 wide set

 

Cam Phillips
Ray-Ray McCloud III

Andre Roberts
Duke Williams
Da'Mari Scott
Victor Bolden Jr.

 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

Quote

After trotting out towering receivers last season in Andre Holmes and Kelvin Benjamin, Buffalo’s wide receiving corps has been upgraded with speed and separation specialists.

 

Buffalo loves to go four and five wide receiver sets, which can now include Brown and Beasley along with Zay Jones and Robert Foster.

 

All four of those receivers clocked 40-yard dash times ranging from 4.34-4.49, placing endless burners on the field to complement Allen’s big arm that can challenge defenses vertically. In addition, an increased and more dynamic vertical passing game should open up things underneath where crafty route-runners like Beasley and Jones can feast.

https://thedraftnetwork.com/articles/the-big-picture-with-bills--aggressive-free-agent-haul

 

Edited March 15, 2019 by ShadyBillsFan

[HappyDays]

1 hour ago, formerlyofCtown said:

However, if he shows improvement from last season to the end of camp then he isnt going anywhere.

 

But where does he fit in as a starter? Foster, Brown, and Beasley are all ahead of him. Right now I'd pencil him in as our #4. If McDermott and Beane thought he was worth developing they wouldn't have overhauled the receiving group in free agency.

[formerlyofCtown]

2 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

But where does he fit in as a starter? Foster, Brown, and Beasley are all ahead of him. Right now I'd pencil him in as our #4. If McDermott and Beane thought he was worth developing they wouldn't have overhauled the receiving group in free agency.

We will likely employ packages as to who handles what concepts best.  Who gets the ball will likely change based on the matchup.

[Big Gun]

I change my mind on Zay being on the team this year. Brown, Beasley, Foster, Williams (CFL guy), Roberts, McKenzie. Going to be hard for Jones to be on the field. I don't necessarily think he is better than any of those guys.

[947]

5 minutes ago, pop gun said:

I change my mind on Zay being on the team this year. Brown, Beasley, Foster, Williams (CFL guy), Roberts, McKenzie. Going to be hard for Jones to be on the field. I don't necessarily think he is better than any of those guys.

Zay is light years better than McKenzie, who is a gadget guy we really only added due to our lack of offensive talent. That's no longer the issue, and Beasley is taking his job. Very slim chance McKenzie stays on.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

5 minutes ago, 947 said:

Zay is light years better than McKenzie, who is a gadget guy we really only added due to our lack of offensive talent. That's no longer the issue, and Beasley is taking his job. Very slim chance McKenzie stays on.

Very well a possibility with McKitrick ( Fergy joke).

 

I'm not sure half of theses guys will remain on the team either.  

Cam Phillips, Ray-Ray McCloud III, Andre Roberts, Duke Williams, Da'Mari Scott, Victor Bolden Jr.

 

Wasn't Ray Ray and Cam cut and brought back a number of times?

[Peace Frog]

I think the Bills trade Zay Jones so they can give #11 to Cole Beasley.  Boom!

[TheBeane]

12 minutes ago, Peace Frog said:

I think the Bills trade Zay Jones so they can give #11 to Cole Beasley.  Boom!

 

I like the idea, but they would have to find something willing to trade for him.... Not sure how many takers there would be. 

 

Maybe the ***Pats? hahaha

[Big Gun]

7 minutes ago, TheBeane said:

 

I like the idea, but they would have to find something willing to trade for him.... Not sure how many takers there would be. 

 

Maybe the ***Pats? hahaha

Jones, trade bait on draft night?

[HurlyBurly51]

Brady Quinn disagrees?

[Alphadawg7]

14 hours ago, formerlyofCtown said:

The only ones that need more work on their player evaluation skills than the national media are some of the posters on here.

Im not saying he is or isnt going to be here.  However, if he shows improvement from last season to the end of camp then he isnt going anywhere.

You have no idea how much he has improved over the offseason as a young still developing WR.  Its really a foolish statement for someone to make.

 

Really?  How does that even make sense?  Look at all the contradictions you said in this one post.

• "Im not saying he is or isnt going to be here."
  • Means you are acknowledging his roster spot is no lock, otherwise you would have stated he would definitely be here.
• "However, if he shows improvement from last season to the end of camp he isn't going anywhere."
  •  Which literally means he has to get better, so by that very statement alone it suggests his roster spot is not a lock unless he improves.
• "You have no idea how much he had improved over the offseason as young still developing WR"
  • Which also means, neither do you.  And thats really the point, and why I MANY times stated this is just my gut feeling based on the level of competition I believe he will face and whether or not he can beat out that competition. 
• "Its really a foolish statement for someone to make"
  • Now this was the real contradictory statement.  How is me questioning his ability to beat out better competition any more foolish than you believing he will improve and beat them out?  You are basically stating all over your one post he has a challenge ahead of him but then call me foolish for questioning his ability to rise to said challenge.  They are just opinions, and based on what Zay has shown on the field its far from foolish to be critical of that and see new competition as a threat unless he makes a leap forward.

 

 

 

Edited March 16, 2019 by Alphadawg7

[Patrick Duffy]

26 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Really?  How does that even make sense?  Look at all the contradictions you said in this one post.

• "Im not saying he is or isnt going to be here."
  • Means you are acknowledging his roster spot is no lock, otherwise you would have stated he would definitely be here.
• "However, if he shows improvement from last season to the end of camp he isn't going anywhere."
  •  Which literally means he has to get better, so by that very statement alone it suggests his roster spot is not a lock unless he improves.
• "You have no idea how much he had improved over the offseason as young still developing WR"
  • Which also means, neither do you.  And thats really the point, and why I MANY times stated this is just my gut feeling based on the level of competition I believe he will face and whether or not he can beat out that competition. 
• "Its really a foolish statement for someone to make"
  • Now this was the real contradictory statement.  How is me questioning his ability to beat out better competition any more foolish than you believing he will improve and beat them out?  You are basically stating all over your one post he has a challenge ahead of him but then call me foolish for questioning his ability to rise to said challenge.  They are just opinions, and based on what Zay has shown on the field its far from foolish to be critical of that and see new competition as a threat unless he makes a leap forward.

 

 

 

 

Well, looks like you just tore his post apart lol

[NewEra]

Duke, Zay and McKenzie will be battling for a spot, maybe 2 spots.

[Logic]

I think people underrate Zay Jones. He was Buffalo's leading receiver last year. Despite catching passes from Derek Anderson, Matt Barkley, Nathan Peterman, and rookie Josh Allen in 2018, he put up 652 yards and 7 TDs in his second year. As the season was coming to an end, he really began to come on. His last two games featured 5 catches for 67 yards and a TD against the Pats and 6 catches for 93 yards and 2 TDs against the Dolphins.

I'm not saying he's a world beater, but he's young, talented, cheap labor. And if you tell me "he'll never get better", I say B.S.! Eric Moulds had less than 300 yards in seasons 1 and 2 of his career. How did Robert Woods do in Buffalo, yardage wise ? I'm sick of sticking talented WRs in bad passing offenses, watching them struggle to produce, and then letting them walk away to another team who knows how to use them. Let me see Zay Jones get one full season with Josh Allen and the improved o-line, and then we can make a determination on shipping him off.

[HurlyBurly51]

36 minutes ago, Logic said:

I think people underrate Zay Jones. He was Buffalo's leading receiver last year. Despite catching passes from Derek Anderson, Matt Barkley, Nathan Peterman, and rookie Josh Allen in 2018, he put up 652 yards and 7 TDs in his second year. As the season was coming to an end, he really began to come on. His last two games featured 5 catches for 67 yards and a TD against the Pats and 6 catches for 93 yards and 2 TDs against the Dolphins.

I'm not saying he's a world beater, but he's young, talented, cheap labor. And if you tell me "he'll never get better", I say B.S.! Eric Moulds had less than 300 yards in seasons 1 and 2 of his career. How did Robert Woods do in Buffalo, yardage wise ? I'm sick of sticking talented WRs in bad passing offenses, watching them struggle to produce, and then letting them walk away to another team who knows how to use them. Let me see Zay Jones get one full season with Josh Allen and the improved o-line, and then we can make a determination on shipping him off.

Nice post - fits with your user name!

[Alphadawg7]

41 minutes ago, Logic said:

I think people underrate Zay Jones. He was Buffalo's leading receiver last year. Despite catching passes from Derek Anderson, Matt Barkley, Nathan Peterman, and rookie Josh Allen in 2018, he put up 652 yards and 7 TDs in his second year. As the season was coming to an end, he really began to come on. His last two games featured 5 catches for 67 yards and a TD against the Pats and 6 catches for 93 yards and 2 TDs against the Dolphins.

I'm not saying he's a world beater, but he's young, talented, cheap labor. And if you tell me "he'll never get better", I say B.S.! Eric Moulds had less than 300 yards in seasons 1 and 2 of his career. How did Robert Woods do in Buffalo, yardage wise ? I'm sick of sticking talented WRs in bad passing offenses, watching them struggle to produce, and then letting them walk away to another team who knows how to use them. Let me see Zay Jones get one full season with Josh Allen and the improved o-line, and then we can make a determination on shipping him off.

 

No disrespect Logic, I think you're a great poster around here.  But I greatly disagree on what you are citing as "began to really come on" in those last 2 games.  

 

In fact, not just you, overall I really do not understand this myth around here where people keep stating Zay "got good down the stretch" and stuff.  Its totally not accurate, and in fact 3 of his last 4 games were terrible, and 2 of them were among the worst of his career (Det and NE)

 

In NE Zay was dominated in that Pats game and made no impact at all.  He was man handled the entire game and struggled to get open.  With 1:17 left in the game, Zay was sitting on a stat line of 4 Catches for 36 yards, 0 TDs.  Then with the game over and Pats up 3 scores, he got a garbage 31 yard TD on broken coverage where no DB covered him at all.  Poof, all of a sudden people look at the stat line and think it was a "good game" when it was probably his 2nd worst game of the season (Detroit the week before that was the worst one of his career).

 

Our last 4 games of the season:

• Week 14 - Jets - 3 catches on 9 targets for 22 yards.  Terrible
• Week 15 - Lions - 1 catch on 6 targets for 11 yards.  Probably worst game of his career.  Slay dominated him as much as a DB can ever dominate a WR.
• Week 16 - Pats - 5 catches on 9 targets for 67 yards, 1 TD.  MISLEADING.  4 catches or 36 yards on 8 targets with 1:17 left in the game down 24-6.  Gets garbage 31 yard TD when no one covers him on broken coverage.  One of his worst games of the year.
• Week 17 - Dolphins - 6 catches on 9 attempts for 93 years and 2 TD's.  Only good game down the stretch, but it was also a week 17 game against an awful Miami team who mailed it in and didn't bother to show up to play.  

I don't see a guy who came on over the last stretch, I see a terrible stretch of games that was saved by one gimme game in week 17 against a bad team who had quit on its head coach already.  

 

Its all good, and a lot of this wasn't just replying to your post, its to address this common statement around here that Zay came on strong later in the season, which he really didn't.  This is why stats are unreliable in the NFL, they don't tell the whole story.  

 

 

Edited March 16, 2019 by Alphadawg7

[folz]

How is this thread still going? Should have died days ago. (Yes, I know I'm now helping to keep it alive.)

 

I mean the posters who think McKenzie is a lock and Zay doesn't make the team just baffle me. I like Isiah, but in his albeit short 3-year career, he has a total of 22 receptions for 208 yards and 0 TDs. He has rushed for 70 yards on 11 carries with 2 TDs, but he has also had 8 fumbles in his limited playing time (6 were with Denver, which I'm assuming must have been mostly on kick or punt returns). I'd love to see McKenzie (or any of our WRs) bust out, but there isn't too much evidence that he will. Why do so many have him ahead of Zay on the depth chart? Zay had 7 TDs last year. What are you guys seeing in McKenzie that warrants such confidence?

 

Roberts takes away any value McKenzie had as a returner. Foster and Brown take away the need for his speed. Beasley will be the man over the middle. So, do we keep McKenzie just to run the occasional Jet sweeps or reverses?

 

And posters talk about Zay's drops (which were significantly fewer in his 2nd season), but McKenzie had his drops too. Here is part of an All-22 review of Bills receivers by Joe B. Part of his write-up on McKenzie:

"As he became more acclimated with the offense, the Bills tried him out in a bit of a bigger role, seeing how he operated both as a slot receiver and even out on the boundary. McKenzie still provided the same unpredictable element for the offense, though as he started to get more touches, ball security issues began to arise -- a problem that plagued him in his time in Denver. For McKenzie to make the roster in 2019, especially with the likelihood that the Bills bring in multiple wide receivers in the offseason, he'll need to show well on special teams and that the drops and fumbles aren't going to be an issue."

 

https://www.wkbw.com/sports/bills/2018-buffalo-bills-all-22-in-review-wide-receiver

 

Now, I'm not trying to dog McKenzie, I want every player who is a Bill to succeed. But I just can't figure out why any fan would be higher on McKenzie than Zay.

[HappyDays]

4 minutes ago, folz said:

But I just can't figure out why any fan would be higher on McKenzie than Zay.

 

McKenzie offers speed. When the ball is in his hands defenses have to pay attention. What does Zay bring to our offense? I don't understand any optimism for him. He has below average separation, catch ability, and speed. He is an average route runner. What does he do that's impressive?

[formerlyofCtown]

1 hour ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Really?  How does that even make sense?  Look at all the contradictions you said in this one post.

• "Im not saying he is or isnt going to be here."
  • Means you are acknowledging his roster spot is no lock, otherwise you would have stated he would definitely be here.
• "However, if he shows improvement from last season to the end of camp he isn't going anywhere."
  •  Which literally means he has to get better, so by that very statement alone it suggests his roster spot is not a lock unless he improves.
• "You have no idea how much he had improved over the offseason as young still developing WR"
  • Which also means, neither do you.  And thats really the point, and why I MANY times stated this is just my gut feeling based on the level of competition I believe he will face and whether or not he can beat out that competition. 
• "Its really a foolish statement for someone to make"
  • Now this was the real contradictory statement.  How is me questioning his ability to beat out better competition any more foolish than you believing he will improve and beat them out?  You are basically stating all over your one post he has a challenge ahead of him but then call me foolish for questioning his ability to rise to said challenge.  They are just opinions, and based on what Zay has shown on the field its far from foolish to be critical of that and see new competition as a threat unless he makes a leap forward.

 

 

 

Why dont you put your money where your mouth is Alpha?

[folz]

5 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

McKenzie offers speed. When the ball is in his hands defenses have to pay attention. What does Zay bring to our offense? I don't understand any optimism for him. He has below average separation, catch ability, and speed. He is an average route runner. What does he do that's impressive?

 

Honestly, I can understand people being down on Zay, as he has not lived up to his draft status yet. I just personally think he deserves one more year to prove it. He did improve from year 1 to year 2. And he wasn't meant to come in and be a #1 receiver in the league, but circumstances forced him into that role, which also meant that he was going against the best corners and maybe getting double teams before he was ready for that level. (And don't get me started again about the poor coaching he received.) Yes, a player like JuJu is way ahead of Zay right now, but how much easier was life for JuJu with HOFer AB on the opposite side of the field drawing all of the attention (not to mention having a HOF QB throwing to him instead of the likes of Tyrod, Peterman, Anderson, Barkley, and rookie Allen). I just think he deserves a year where the QB play and O-line play is better. And where there are other viable receivers, so he doesn't get all of the attention. How can you totally judge a 1st or 2nd year guy under the circumstances that Zay was in. I think you give him one more year in an actually viable offense before you ship him away. I also remember after his rookie year, I made a post reviewing all of his "drops." And so many of them were just horrible throws by Tyrod. He definitely had some drops, but it wasn't as bad as it first appeared.

 

But, what I was really responding to was the idea that McKenzie is "obviously" ahead of Zay on the depth chart. I guarantee you that the Bills coaches and FO do not see it that way. 

As far as speed and skills, here are Zay and McKenzie's combine numbers:

 

                                    McKenzie                            Jones

40-yard dash:                4.42                                    4.45

Vertical:                          36"                                     36.5"     

Broad jump:                 123"                                      133"

3-cone:                          6.14                                     6.79

shuttle:                          4.15                                     4.01

 

It's not like McKenzie is some amazing athlete and Zay is some slow, lumbering oaf. Plus, there is the production thus far:

 

Zay: 83 rec.  968 yards    9 TDs 1 fumble (in 2 years)

McK: 22 rec  208 yards   0 TDs  8 fumbles (in 3 years) (although he does have the 70 yards rushing with 2 TDs)

 

But, how does 22 receptions and 11 carries total in 3 years in the NFL make him a lock for any team? Especially when so few touches (his touches also includes 52 returns) include 8 fumbles? That's 1 fumble every 9.4 touches. Plus he too had some big drops last year. You can be as fast as you want, but if you can't hang onto the ball, you'll be on the bench or out of the league. There is just no way that McKenzie is ahead of Zay on the depth chart.

[Mat68]

As it sits.  Zay is the possession reciever outside.  Has pretty good size and pretty solid route runner.  He won't scare anyone but solid all around reciever.  Can play outside and inside.  

[Thurmal34]

Zay will not only be on the roster, but be productive. 

[HappyDays]

9 hours ago, folz said:

Honestly, I can understand people being down on Zay, as he has not lived up to his draft status yet. I just personally think he deserves one more year to prove it. He did improve from year 1 to year 2. And he wasn't meant to come in and be a #1 receiver in the league, but circumstances forced him into that role, which also meant that he was going against the best corners and maybe getting double teams before he was ready for that level. (And don't get me started again about the poor coaching he received.) Yes, a player like JuJu is way ahead of Zay right now, but how much easier was life for JuJu with HOFer AB on the opposite side of the field drawing all of the attention (not to mention having a HOF QB throwing to him instead of the likes of Tyrod, Peterman, Anderson, Barkley, and rookie Allen). I just think he deserves a year where the QB play and O-line play is better.

 

He'll get the year to prove it but I can't imagine he beats out Brown or Foster for an outside starting role, and he's definitely not beating Beasley for the slot position. The fact that we gave two big contracts to receivers tells me this regime isn't going to wait for Zay to develop. Right now he's just depth in case of injury. He did improve in year 2, but only insofar as he went from historically bad to somewhat competent.

 

JuJu makes plays happen:

 

 

 

Yeah it helps having elite offensive talent around him. But look at these plays. I haven't seen Zay do anything like this.

Edited March 16, 2019 by HappyDays

[Real McClappy]

3 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

He'll get the year to prove it but I can't imagine he beats out Brown or Foster for an outside starting role, and he's definitely not beating Beasley for the slot position. The fact that we gave two big contracts to receivers tells me this regime isn't going to wait for Zay to develop. Right now he's just depth in case of injury. He did improve in year 2, but only insofar as he went from historically bad to somewhat competent.

 

JuJu makes plays happen:

 

 

 

Yeah it helps having elite offensive talent around him. But look at these plays. I haven't seen Zay do anything like this.

highlight reels are fun,

 

Zay's isn't bad either

 

[Jay_Fixit]

10 hours ago, HappyDays said:

 

McKenzie offers speed. When the ball is in his hands defenses have to pay attention. What does Zay bring to our offense? I don't understand any optimism for him. He has below average separation, catch ability, and speed. He is an average route runner. What does he do that's impressive?

Dude, I get you don’t like him but he definitely isn’t below average in any of those areas.

 

In fact, he has good speed. He’s underrated with the ball in his hands and he’s better at separating than many are giving him credit for.

 

He’s had pretty awful QB play for most of his career with virtually nobody else (receiver wise) to take the heat off of him. He has that now. And hopefully Allen can make a giant leap in his second season to help Zay and the fellas out.

 

Just have a slice of Sara Lee and relax with me.

Edited March 16, 2019 by Jay_Fixit