With expectations higher, is anyone else calm?

[BADOLBILZ]

4 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

 

 

I'm going to attribute some of that to losing Gaine to the Texans and having to reshape the front office after that.  I think that was a bigger deal than people realize.

 

 

Sure we can always find a reason/excuse................but it's really just a scoreboard issue.

 

Bad crop + first rule of managment.

 

Whaley had a lot bigger excuses than Beane, IMO..........namely having two HC's he wouldn't have chosen thrust upon him and having to draft for two different offenses and three different defenses(Pettine/Schwartz/Rex) in a 4 year time frame.

[eball]

1 hour ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

"Embrace the suck"  eball.

 

It's all entertainment.............you are far too emotional about it and that's why you can't be objective and end up with so many hilariously wrong takes.

 

It was a terrible UFA class.

 

If you think signing Star to a $50M deal with $25M guaranteed was "at worst" an average signing.........well........that's why you get mocked for having such wrong takes.?

 

Star Lotulelei...."at worst it was an average signing"........that's a keeper. 

 

You're an odd bird.  You obviously study the game and when you stick to that you're an entertaining read.  For some reason, however, you're an obnoxious ass at the same time.  Must just be a personality trait.

 

You also conspicuously refuse to address points people make that refute your "expert" takes.

 

If you don't think I'm entertained by all of this you're really not as smart as you think you are.

[Bing Bong]

15 hours ago, Ol Dirty B said:

 

You know premature reactions aren't just the ones you disagree with. They've got a lot to prove. They've shown potentional, Beane, McDermott, and Allen. But you definitely trend optimistic. Which is fine, I just see a lot of things in that post that aren't true.

 

Beane didn't fix the cap a year earlier than he said, this has been the year since McDermott got here. Even then, the dead cap was a choice. And McDermott leaves plenty to be desired as far as coaching. He's pretty good defensively, amazing with the secondary. Offensively he looks too conservative and run heavy, timeouts and challenges and clock management he's not great either.

 

Again they have potential, and show some great strengths. But they still have a lot to prove and leave a lot to be desired.

Good post Virgil. I've turned the corner as well. Although I'm more in between you and Ol Dirty B ^ up here at this point. We had a promising second half to the year and, given virtually everybody from the top down is a rookie at their respective jobs, noticable improvement year to year is all I'm looking for.

 

But the 1st half of the the season still happened. Never forget lol. That was a joke and I need a full season with all that nonsense gone. So i'm not too far from the corner if I get PTSD flashbacks from that horrible horrible first 8 games.

 

I still remember those games like it was yesterday. The horror.

Edited February 16, 2019 by BarkleyForGOATBackupPT5P

[fansince88]

1 hour ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

What were you thinking when they signed Russ Bodine and Marshall Newhouse to bolster the OL last winter?  Same as Spencer Long,  right?

 

That's just the new-ness.

 

Fans adored Whaley initially as well..........being critical of him on TSW was definitely a fight-starter.

 

Beane's first class of UFA's was one of the worst the team has assembled in the 25 years of free agency..........8 signings.........all disappointments.

 

In Whaley's last offseason as the actual GM he inked Lorax and Zach Brown for about $4M combined.......TOTAL....... and one was a DPOY candidate who lead the NFL in sacks for most of the year  and the other lead the NFL in tackles.         

How do it feel to hate your team so much?

[Bing Bong]

2 minutes ago, fansince88 said:

How do it feel to hate your team so much?

He loves his team so much he doesn't want management to break his heart for the umpteenth time and he's a cautious lover.

 

We all love/hate in different ways.

[fansince88]

4 minutes ago, BarkleyForGOATBackupPT5P said:

He loves his team so much he doesn't want management to break his heart for the umpteenth time and he's a cautious lover.

 

We all love/hate in different ways.

Read his reply. He hated on the present regime and loved the failed regime. You all need to move on. Dougie is gone. 

[Rc2catch]

2 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

Sorry but this is a terrible take.

 

These teams didn't miss the playoffs BECAUSE of those recievers. I mean seriously? Your basically saying The Falcons missed the playoffs therefore having a Julio Jones doesn't do ***** for you.?

 

I never said it was because of those receivers. Just that you can have success and be a great offense without prototypical  number one kinda guys. Not sure where you get your assumptions or if you actually read my post, I never claimed those teams didn’t make the playoffs BECAUSE of the receivers, or that having a Julio Jones type doesn’t do ****.. The point was simply put that you can have a potent offense and success and NOT have a legit #1 guy. It’s just a matter of having a VARIETY of weapons in the pass game 

[Captain Murica]

16 hours ago, Virgil said:

 

Foster, Milano, Teller....

Of course them as well

[BADOLBILZ]

26 minutes ago, eball said:

 

You're an odd bird.  You obviously study the game and when you stick to that you're an entertaining read.  For some reason, however, you're an obnoxious ass at the same time.  Must just be a personality trait.

 

You also conspicuously refuse to address points people make that refute your "expert" takes.

 

If you don't think I'm entertained by all of this you're really not as smart as you think you are.

 

 

I apologize for not addressing some of your takes.    So here we go:

 

-Star Lotuelelei was a roundly criticized signing.  And that criticism was based on his modest production in Carolina.     He then suffered a significant drop-off in Buffalo.   This is a guy who basically averaged about 5 TFL and 5 QB hits per year in this defense in Carolina....and then he had 1 TFL and 0 QB hits in Buffalo.   He simply couldn't get off of a block to save his life.   Bum's like Ted Larson were single blocking him and he couldn't disengage. ?

 

-Who could have predicted Vontae Davis wouldn't work out?   A lot of folks........he's a CB and tore his achilles in 2017.

 

-Chris Ivory was pretty solid?   Do you remember the game in Miami where he was running and just dropped the ball with nobody around him.....losing the fumble?    6 rushes for 4 yards in that game.   113 rushes for 385 yards on the year.   3.3 ypc.......nearly a FULL YARD below the league average per carry.   And oh yeah........he missed time with injuries.   

 

So there.........I addressed your points.........better?

[eball]

55 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

I apologize for not addressing some of your takes.    So here we go:

 

-Star Lotuelelei was a roundly criticized signing.  And that criticism was based on his modest production in Carolina.     He then suffered a significant drop-off in Buffalo.   This is a guy who basically averaged about 5 TFL and 5 QB hits per year in this defense in Carolina....and then he had 1 TFL and 0 QB hits in Buffalo.   He simply couldn't get off of a block to save his life.   Bum's like Ted Larson were single blocking him and he couldn't disengage. ?

 

-Who could have predicted Vontae Davis wouldn't work out?   A lot of folks........he's a CB and tore his achilles in 2017.

 

-Chris Ivory was pretty solid?   Do you remember the game in Miami where he was running and just dropped the ball with nobody around him.....losing the fumble?    6 rushes for 4 yards in that game.   113 rushes for 385 yards on the year.   3.3 ypc.......nearly a FULL YARD below the league average per carry.   And oh yeah........he missed time with injuries.   

 

So there.........I addressed your points.........better?

 

I wasn't necessarily referring to myself, but sure, thanks for responding.

 

Star -- anyone expecting "production" in the classic sense (tackles and sacks) out of him wasn't paying attention to what he was brought in to do.  The Bills were horribly weak up the middle in 2017.  Star's PFF grade (if you put stock in that stuff) for 2018 ranked as "average."  Was it a great signing?  No, but it also wasn't a bad one -- and the money doesn't hamstring them.

 

Chris Ivory ranked as "above average" with PFF.  You're really dinging a RB for YPC behind that OL?  He made several big plays in the passing game as well.

[Pete]

18 hours ago, Virgil said:

 

Foster, Milano, Teller....

Levi Wallace...

[Chandler#81]

Anxious. These feelings of ‘we’re very close’ are a bit foreign to me. But I’m calm. currently...

[Misterbluesky]

20 hours ago, Virgil said:

For the first time since the Super Bowl Years, I find myself increasingly relaxed. Not because I don’t care or expect them to suck, but because I’m actually trusting the process. 

 

I lost my crap when the drafted Allen. I’ve been pissed by certain FA signings.  I’ve declared seasons over before they even started.  

 

Maybe it’s the successful undrafted free agents. Maybe it’s what I saw in the second half of the season.  Probably all of it. 

 

All I know is, no matter who they draft or sign in free agency, I’m trusting that they know what they are doing.  Even if it’s another defensive back, I’m good.  They’ve earned it to me. 

 

For me, I don’t see a true number one receiver, so I can’t expect us to find one. I hope they sign one of the big name young FA OLB’s and a few offensive lineman.  I’d like to see us draft a top TE, RB. 

 

Either way, I think the new regime has earned the faith and I’m going into this season with decent expectations as well as believe they will achieve them.  

 

It feels right finally. 

The worst part for me is the waiting that's involved...I'm relaxed and anxious at the same time,if that makes any sense.Regarless..we will be a better football team come September.Go Bills!

[BADOLBILZ]

1 hour ago, eball said:

 

I wasn't necessarily referring to myself, but sure, thanks for responding.

 

Star -- anyone expecting "production" in the classic sense (tackles and sacks) out of him wasn't paying attention to what he was brought in to do.  The Bills were horribly weak up the middle in 2017.  Star's PFF grade (if you put stock in that stuff) for 2018 ranked as "average."  Was it a great signing?  No, but it also wasn't a bad one -- and the money doesn't hamstring them.

 

Chris Ivory ranked as "above average" with PFF.  You're really dinging a RB for YPC behind that OL?  He made several big plays in the passing game as well.

 

 

I love that there are people who can pretend that expecting more than a stat-line of 17 tackles 1 TFL and zero QB hits is "expecting production in the classic sense" for a $10M per year 4-3 DT.

 

The bar of $10M value is set so ridiculous low in an attempt to defend Star that it's it's own straw man.........pretty hilarious. 

 

As of 3/17/19 he will have accrued $25M in guarantees from the Bills.   

 

[Rc2catch]

5 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

I love that there are people who can pretend that expecting more than a stat-line of 17 tackles 1 TFL and zero QB hits is "expecting production in the classic sense" for a $10M per year 4-3 DT.

 

The bar of $10M value is set so ridiculous low in an attempt to defend Star that it's it's own straw man.........pretty hilarious. 

 

As of 3/17/19 he will have accrued $25M in guarantees from the Bills.   

 

But why does the money he’s paid matter? 

The bills haven’t been hurting for cash to sign players, and by the time they need the money he’s getting it’ll be easy to move on. 

There have been some really questionable signings and moves here since Beane took over however there’s something to be said with familiarity of the players. The “Carolina connection” etc etc 

Of course they overpaid for Star, that’s obvious to anyone. What does he bring in the locker room? Film room? Does he make players on the team better? Now I do not know the answers to these questions but McDermott does and he obviously wants the guy on the team for a reason. Just my 2 cents but it seems they are paying for more than just production from the guy. If we were to the cap and hurting for money to sign players I could see people being upset and bashing stars salary but as of right now it means nothing. He’s not taking away from the team or hurting the team. Could we spend his 10 million on better production? Of course. But they have been building something in their vision that is more important to them than just production at this point. A locker room culture and team first mentality. You need vets to do that and hold young guys accountable. Maybe star fills that I don’t know 

[eball]

19 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

I love that there are people who can pretend that expecting more than a stat-line of 17 tackles 1 TFL and zero QB hits is "expecting production in the classic sense" for a $10M per year 4-3 DT.

 

The bar of $10M value is set so ridiculous low in an attempt to defend Star that it's it's own straw man.........pretty hilarious. 

 

As of 3/17/19 he will have accrued $25M in guarantees from the Bills.   

 

 

Who's defending him?  I merely said his signing isn't a "fail" as you have asserted.  Take it easy, chief.  You're going to work your lapdog Scottlaw into a lather!

 

Edited February 16, 2019 by eball

[Shaw66]

20 hours ago, Ol Dirty B said:

 

You know premature reactions aren't just the ones you disagree with. They've got a lot to prove. They've shown potentional, Beane, McDermott, and Allen. But you definitely trend optimistic. Which is fine, I just see a lot of things in that post that aren't true.

 

Beane didn't fix the cap a year earlier than he said, this has been the year since McDermott got here. Even then, the dead cap was a choice. And McDermott leaves plenty to be desired as far as coaching. He's pretty good defensively, amazing with the secondary. Offensively he looks too conservative and run heavy, timeouts and challenges and clock management he's not great either.

 

Again they have potential, and show some great strengths. But they still have a lot to prove and leave a lot to be desired.

These are fair points to make, and pretty well balanced.   

In response I will say that I'm optimistic not because McDermott has done everything right but because he is so committed to continuous improvement.  McDermott believes in the process for himself as well as for everyone else.  HIS performance is evaluated, and HIS goals are established.  His expectation of himself is that he will continuously improve, including how he manages the offense and how he makes in-game decisions.  He studies all that, keeps notebooks about it, adds to his knowledge.  He will be a better coach five years from now than he is today.  

 

My concern about McD is this: players can keep learning, but sometimes they run into physical limitations that mean that the player can't get any better.  Coaches can run into mental limitations.  Some coaches just are more intuitive, more creative than others, in a football sense.  If McD isn't one of those, it doesn't matter how much he studies.  

 

I'm optimistic because I know that of McD fails, it isn't going to be because of lack of effort. 

[Shaw66]

1 hour ago, Rc2catch said:

But why does the money he’s paid matter? 

The bills haven’t been hurting for cash to sign players, and by the time they need the money he’s getting it’ll be easy to move on. 

There have been some really questionable signings and moves here since Beane took over however there’s something to be said with familiarity of the players. The “Carolina connection” etc etc 

Of course they overpaid for Star, that’s obvious to anyone. What does he bring in the locker room? Film room? Does he make players on the team better? Now I do not know the answers to these questions but McDermott does and he obviously wants the guy on the team for a reason. Just my 2 cents but it seems they are paying for more than just production from the guy. If we were to the cap and hurting for money to sign players I could see people being upset and bashing stars salary but as of right now it means nothing. He’s not taking away from the team or hurting the team. Could we spend his 10 million on better production? Of course. But they have been building something in their vision that is more important to them than just production at this point. A locker room culture and team first mentality. You need vets to do that and hold young guys accountable. Maybe star fills that I don’t know 

I think you describe exactly why they brought him to Buffalo.  They wanted a real pro on the D line, a guy with the right attitude to lead them. They knew Kyle would be gone and they knew no one else on the D line could be the leader. 

 

Plus, so far as his production goes, they probably got exactly what they expected. McD platoons, so he never intended that Star would get even 60% of the snaps.  And a platooned player at that position will never post gaudy numbers. 

 

Finally, people inside the system, GMS and agents, know how to calculate plaers' contract values.  The Bills wouldn't have given Star that money if others didn't value him similarly.  

[GreggTX]

This is not the best FA class or draft for rebuilding an offense, so I am not expecting miracles. I think we still have a couple years before we can get excited -- assuming that Beane makes nearly all good moves and that we can attract the best FA's.

[stuvian]

21 hours ago, Rc2catch said:

All the talk and hype of a “true #1 receiver” is soooooo overblown. 

If this season showed the trend it’s that having a legit #1 guy means squat. 

Brown-Steelers no playoffs 

AJ Green-Bengals no playoffs

Deandre Hopkins-Texans lost in playoffs

Odell-Giants hurt and no playoffs 

Cooper-Cowboys knocked out 

Thielen-Diggs?-Vikings looked bad 

Adams-Green Bay no playoffs 

Golloday-Lions no playoffs 

Julio-Ridley Falcons no playoffs 

Evans-Tampa no playoffs 

Thomas-Saints probably your only real #1 guy who made a legit run 

 

Maybe im missing some or don’t consider some as true #1’s and probably listed some that aren’t too. 

 

Point is having that #1 guy is not that important. You just need weapons. Brees and even the pats and rams show how it should be done. Spread the ball to multiple weapons and ride the hot hand. If anything having the defacto #1 guy hurts a lot of teams cause they force targets all game long and other guys don’t always get a chance to get in any rhythm. To add further, it’s looking like the only way to have a lethal offense is a really solid tight end, running game, and that legit speed receiver. 

 

Back to the point of the post I too am confident we are heading in the right directions and are building a solid core to the team. I have questioned what in the heck these guys are thinking especially year one dumping all the young players but now that the path looks to be laid down I get it and fully understand what they’re going for. 

We should ascend at the perfect time of the pats and dolphins rebuild and I’m really not overly impressed with the jets roster. 

Jerry Rice

Reggie Wayne

Marvin Harrison 

Marques Colston

Keenan McCardell

Michael Irvin

Anquon Boldin

Hines Ward

Randy Moss

Terrell Owens

Plaxico Burress

Greg Jennings

Isaac Bruce

Tory Holt

[Ol Dirty B]

4 hours ago, Shaw66 said:

These are fair points to make, and pretty well balanced.   

In response I will say that I'm optimistic not because McDermott has done everything right but because he is so committed to continuous improvement.  McDermott believes in the process for himself as well as for everyone else.  HIS performance is evaluated, and HIS goals are established.  His expectation of himself is that he will continuously improve, including how he manages the offense and how he makes in-game decisions.  He studies all that, keeps notebooks about it, adds to his knowledge.  He will be a better coach five years from now than he is today.  

 

My concern about McD is this: players can keep learning, but sometimes they run into physical limitations that mean that the player can't get any better.  Coaches can run into mental limitations.  Some coaches just are more intuitive, more creative than others, in a football sense.  If McD isn't one of those, it doesn't matter how much he studies.  

 

I'm optimistic because I know that of McD fails, it isn't going to be because of lack of effort. 

 

I like this post a lot. Completely agree with everything.

[Bing Bong]

21 hours ago, Chandler#81 said:

Anxious. These feelings of ‘we’re very close’ are a bit foreign to me. But I’m calm. currently...

You are clearly not paying enough attention to @transplantbillsfan 's exhaustive research on the subject. The epitome of optimism is slowly transferring to my subconscious.

 

I'm personally calm and anxious about things because JA looks like a home run pick so far. Beane and McDermott haven't been perfect and it's perfectly reasonable to criticize that. But just like JA, these guys were rookies when hired and I have to assume they're learning quickly as they go as I also have to see from JA (which he certainly did show even in the span of 1 season between pre and post injury).

 

We have a lot of "if XYZ improves" scenarios playing out, which is why I'm not ready to fully dive in on this team being a perrennial playoff team anytime soon.

Edited February 17, 2019 by BarkleyForGOATBackupPT5P

[Bing Bong]

22 hours ago, Chandler#81 said:

Anxious. These feelings of ‘we’re very close’ are a bit foreign to me. But I’m calm. currently..

To be more succinct bud, I'm currently of the same opinion. Although some here think JA will be MVP next year.. which, while hilarious, does make me excited about the ceiling right now.

 

But as far as floor.. I'm calm. I like the improvement we made just over the course of a single season and have less anxiety than usual about the possibility of having a stable successful regime that doesn't go up in smoke for once.

 

But next year should really shed some light on the Regime.. good or bad

Edited February 17, 2019 by BarkleyForGOATBackupPT5P

[Success]

I am, but I can’t tell if the reason is just because I’ve been beaten down by the Patriots dominance.

 

Kinda like a horse that’s been broken.  They’re  calm too.

[Call_Of_Ktulu]

My expectations are slowly rising, mainly because of Josh Allen and our ability to upgrade important positions of need through FA and the draft. McD is getting better each year and seems to be a good coach and leader that the players seem to follow. We still have a ways to go but at least the arrow feels like it is pointed up.

[ndirish1978]

I'll be calm when FA is over. I haven't been super impressed with our FA pickups since Beane took over. He has done a great job with UDFAs and IMO in the draft, but we haven't really signed any impact FAs. Granted, we were constrained by the cap and purging dead weight, but we've taken a LOT of shots signing these high-upside WRs and have come away without a single decent vet WR.  

[BobbyC81]

On 2/16/2019 at 6:25 AM, eball said:

 

It's curious how you think it's entertaining to tell people to "enjoy" all you proclaim is wrong with the Bills.

 

That curiosity aside, I'd really like to get a chance to sit down for a beer with McD one day and ask "WTF?" with respect to Peterman.

 

With respect to free agency I believe you're a bit harsh.  Is Star really a "miss?"  I know he's probably a bit overpaid but by all accounts he provided exactly what they were looking for.  At worst it was an average signing.  Chris Ivory was pretty solid when not hurt.  Vontae was an obvious miss but who saw that coming?  I just casually glanced at every team's 2018 free agency list and it doesn't appear that Beane did a markedly worse job here than the average team.  Anyway, most of these signings weren't meant to carry the Bills into prominence anyway; they were hole-pluggers in a rebuilding project.  Beane's first draft looks pretty good at this point.  I'll give him more than one offseason before piling on the dirt, especially when I've seen what he's been able to accomplish on the trade market.

 

 

My belief regarding Peterman is that in practice and preseason games, he shows that he knows where to go with the ball very consistently and throws with accuracy.  He gets into a regular season game and he’s a deer in headlights.  With what McD had seen of him in practice, he figured it was a matter of time before Peterman showed it in real games but it never materialized.

[34-78-83]

On 2/16/2019 at 4:00 PM, eball said:

 

I wasn't necessarily referring to myself, but sure, thanks for responding.

 

Star -- anyone expecting "production" in the classic sense (tackles and sacks) out of him wasn't paying attention to what he was brought in to do.  The Bills were horribly weak up the middle in 2017.  Star's PFF grade (if you put stock in that stuff) for 2018 ranked as "average."  Was it a great signing?  No, but it also wasn't a bad one -- and the money doesn't hamstring them.

 

Chris Ivory ranked as "above average" with PFF.  You're really dinging a RB for YPC behind that OL?  He made several big plays in the passing game as well.

you're correct on Star and exactly why they brought him in. They've discussed it themselves. Both guys are actually pretty revealing if one listens. And the Star $ is high but he's also pretty reliable and available so that high guarantee won't hurt them likely. The gashings the Bills D received right up the gut in 2017 were addressed. Even when the Pats got us this season it was on the edges.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

I'm always calm   

 

[nucci]

it's the middle of February...there's nothing to get excited about right now, so yes I'm calm....except looks like another year of no playoffs for Sabres. I remember when going to Bills and Sabre playoff games was a regular thing

[Cripple Creek]

On 2/15/2019 at 9:03 PM, Virgil said:

 

I’m excited as well. So maybe calm isn’t the right word. Relaxed maybe?

 

I’m excited to see who we get, without expectation.  Whoever they pick up, I’m trusting it will be the right person 

Content. You appear to be content to let things play out.

Confident. You appear to be confident that the FO and HC will get it right.

[Real McClappy]

Pretty calm or relaxed overall here.

 

My expectations are pretty much in check now that we possibly have a a real QB since Bledsoe with great upside. This was phase #1 for me and all that mattered since 2004. 

 

Now (2019) we have to get Allen proper O-line protection or he will be sacked liked Bledsoe 140 times in 3 seasons (Other, than Ruben in 2002 the line sucked bad). Fixing the O-line to let Allen further develop is my only expectation for this team. Once that is established everything else will become clear of what has to happen next in 2020. 2020 is the make or break year for Allen, McD and Beane IMO. I hope this just all works out.

Edited February 18, 2019 by Real McCoy

[TigerJ]

"Lord, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, the courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to know the difference."    Reinhold Neibuhr

[Real McClappy]

3 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

Since Bledsoe? 

 

Outside of 8 games, Bledsoe was trash here. 

Yeah since Bledsoe, I have had zero faith in anything the Bills drafted (JP or EJ) or brought in since that time actually until we drafted JA last year

Say what you will about Bledsoe but remember that he was already a statue behind one of the worst O-lines for 3 years that I have ever seen here. He was still a .500 QB with the Bills 3 seasons and the only QB to throw for over 4K yards in franchise history. He was flat trash as you said for numerous reasons  One of the biggest reasons was putrid O-line play rendering 46 sacks a season. 

Last years O-line reminded me a lot of those 2002-2004 seasons. Josh would have been sacked 40 times (projected)  if he could have played the entire year. 

 

So back to my original statement, the only expectation I have for the coaching staff and FO is to give JA a proper O-line to protect our multiple 1st rd pick investment, anything else is failure in my mind. 2019 is still another building year so I'm calm overall with what unfolds everywhere else on the field.

[Call_Of_Ktulu]

I'm calm until we play the Patriots then I just get sick and pissed. Someone said holding happens every play and my question would be why is it only called against us when we play those cheating ***** s.

Edited February 19, 2019 by Call_Of_Ktulu

[TheFunPolice]

This team is about to start winning. 

 

McDermott is, IMO, a good NFL coach. I don't think he's on the level of Reid, McVay, Pederson, Payton, Carroll, or even Harbaugh.

 

But I would put him up there with Zimmer, Tomlin, Quinn, Rivera, Lynn and Washington Gruden. And he's IMO far above a LOT of current head coaches. We could do a lot worse. 

 

you can win a lot of games with guys like MCD who are good to above average if you have the players. I didn't mention Belichick because he is on a level all his own. But he does lose games and he does get outcoached (see Giants Super Bowls x2 and the Eagles SB last year). So you don't need to be Belichick to beat Belichick, even on the biggest stage. 

Edited February 19, 2019 by TheFunPolice

[John from Riverside]

1 hour ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said:

I'm calm until we play the Patriots then I just get sick and pissed. Someone said holding happens every play and my question would be why is it only called against us when we play those cheating ***** s.

I have bent my mind around the fact that we need to win the needed games MINUS the Patriots games.....

 

Then if we can manage a split with them......gravy on the top.

[Call_Of_Ktulu]

5 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

I have bent my mind around the fact that we need to win the needed games MINUS the Patriots games.....

 

Then if we can manage a split with them......gravy on the top.

I always feel like we play the Patriots better the earlier that we play them in the season. Win or Lose it's a measuring stick type game for me for how the season might turn out.