Top DT prospect Jeffrey Simmons not invited to combine; Tore ACL in pre-draft workouts

[billsbackto81]

2 hours ago, CommonCents said:

IIRC correctly Mixon wasn’t invited to the combine either but didn’t face any penalties once entering the league.

 

The punishment is not being given a chance to improve his draft stock. 

They can still do pro days I assume, correct? 

[CommonCents]

13 minutes ago, billsbackto81 said:

They can still do pro days I assume, correct? 

Yes. Mixon even had a pro day and his incident occurred after he began his career at Okla.

[CoudyBills]

5 hours ago, The Jokeman said:

See Josh Allen. 

While I understand what you are saying, one mistake in high school, the two acts are not remotely close.  However, I think I agree with the premise.

[TigerJ]

3 hours ago, Formerly Allan in MD said:

"matriculating" ?

I assume he had been accepted, but was not yet signed up for classes.  Is that better?

[RyanC883]

6 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

Wow, video is shocking...and way worse than Rice and Hunt put together.  

 

However...if life was about having one mistake as a kid define who you are, then it would be a f-ed up world full of losers.  Many people cant understand the world some of these kids come from where violence is often all they know.  I am not in any way condoning what he did, the video is astonishing really.  However, should a mistake while a teenager take everything away from you for the rest of your life?  Especially when you make amends and put the hard and dedicated work in to change and be a better person?

 

Reading the article about his redemption certainly shows what this kid has done, how he has grown, etc.  Who we are is kids is never who we are as adults.  We all made mistakes in high school, some worse than others.  What I see is a young man who seems to have made the changes in his life to become a better person and has earned his second chance.  And I think teams will see that on draft night.  Could it impact his draft slot, sure, but I don't think it will because it is so long ago and he's worked hard to become who he is today.  

 

well said, esp the part I bolded.  In NO WAY does it excuse what he did, or get him off the hook for any penalties he faced at the time.  But if he was charged (and he should have been) and he did his time, he should have a chance to redeem himself.    

[JD Hill]

6 hours ago, offyourocker said:

what's that a woman or a walrus?

???????

[PIZ]

We are not talking about an immature tweet.  This guy, kid, whatever....BEAT a female.  That is unacceptable at ANY age.  No one should draft him.  Wasn't there a newer NFL rule that if you draft a player like this, who has proven legal troubles, and he gets in legal issues while in the NFL, that the team that drafted him would be fined or lose future draft picks?

 

 

....unless this woman truly was threatening his or his family's life.

[Mickey]

I am usually a pretty hard case on these things but at the same time, I do believe in redemption. And I don't think playing in the NFL is a privilege, it is a job, one that you can only get by working your tail off and having a boat load of talent. NFL jobs are not given away like lottery tickets. The glory and the money is well earned, every penny. Apart from this incident, this crime, this player has done the work and demonstrated the talent that typically results in a shot at an NFL roster. The question is whether he should be barred from work because of his crime. I wouldn't blame any NFL team for passing on him as not worth the risk but if there is a team willing to give him a shot at redemption, that is between the player and the team. 

[Buffalo Barbarian]

Hopefully these things will keep people from abusing women.

 

 

[LSHMEAB]

I hope I'm not stepping out of line here, but it's kind of interesting that this was charged as a simple assault(which is nothing) as opposed to a DV, which is a HUGE DEAL. Is it REALLY that much worse if it's in the house? On a personal note, I got into a fight with my brother and the cops were called. I was charged with DV, which was dismissed because my brother wanted no part of that nonsense. Nevertheless, the charge of DV remains on my record. A female prospective employer is obviously going to assume I hit a woman. Personal rant over. 

[YoloinOhio]

 

[Orlando Tim]

3 hours ago, LSHMEAB said:

Doesn't matter if she killed his family. Screw context. You never hit a woman lest ye be banished for life. Sarc off. It was totally out of line to hit the girl when she was down, but the woman doesn't appear to be an angel. She was also charged in the incident for what it's worth. Where he really effed up is hitting her more than once when she was on the ground, but he did gain control of his emotions enough to go back into break it up mode. That was apparently his initial role. He was charged with a crime, as he should have been. At what point is enough enough when it comes to demonizing an 18 y/o for life?

I truly agree. 18 year olds do DUMB stuff and if girl he hit was not blacked out he did not hit her to do damage. If he does again he should be done but situations matter and saving your sister is one that gets special consideration.

[BruceVilanch]

F that guy.

[Turk71]

11 hours ago, Rob's House said:

I'd like to see the full video from the beginning and know the back story before passing judgment. 

 

I read that the girl attacked his sister and he was trying to break it up and the other girl wouldn't stop. My opinion would hinge largely on what started the fight and what this girl did to his sister. He clearly didn't unload on her because she got up a few seconds later. If he was throwing with full force she'd have been out. It's noteworthy that immediately after that he stopped the other girl (his sister?) from continuing to punch her.

 

There's a huge distinction between hitting a girl who's attacking your sister & laying out your wife for mouthing off.

 

And if recent events have taught us anything, it's that context matters.

Is his sister the gigantic girl who is punching and kicking the much smaller girl curled up on the ground at the same time that her humongous dt brother is smashing her head? 

  I can fully understand why he was beating on a defenseless girl, he was defending his gigantic sister who was also beating on the defenseless girl. A clear case of self defense, plus he was only an 18 year old adult and has been really really nice ever since. He even volunteers! 

[formerlyofCtown]

17 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

I am still seeing him mocked in the top 10. Frank Clark had a DV incident in college and went in the 2nd, as did joe mixon. I just think some teams care and some don’t. 

Some teams recognise they are just kids still.  After all the team that takes them would have a chance to lead them in a different direction.  After all Ray Lewis was involved in a homicide.

[formerlyofCtown]

16 hours ago, Rob's House said:

I'd like to see the full video from the beginning and know the back story before passing judgment. 

 

I read that the girl attacked his sister and he was trying to break it up and the other girl wouldn't stop. My opinion would hinge largely on what started the fight and what this girl did to his sister. He clearly didn't unload on her because she got up a few seconds later. If he was throwing with full force she'd have been out. It's noteworthy that immediately after that he stopped the other girl (his sister?) from continuing to punch her.

 

There's a huge distinction between hitting a girl who's attacking your sister & laying out your wife for mouthing off.

 

And if recent events have taught us anything, it's that context matters.

Some people deserve to get their butt whooped.  A lot of people think they can say whatever they want and not face consequences.  Not sure its the case here but its really none of the NFLs business.

Edited February 1, 2019 by formerlyofCtown

[Not at the table Karlos]

Was this the guy that was defending his mom or is that someone else?

[YoloinOhio]

17 minutes ago, Not at the table Karlos said:

Was this the guy that was defending his mom or is that someone else?

This is him 

[formerlyofCtown]

31 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

This is him 

Peole should be ashamed of holding this against him then.  The Combine should be boycotted as well.  I will not be watching it this year if this is true.  Although I am certain Goodell would not interfere when his mom needed defending. 

Also I think this is the type of players we need.  One that will defend his family I wonder what he would have done to Gronk when he cheap shoted Tre.

Edited February 1, 2019 by formerlyofCtown

[Cripple Creek]

18 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

Wow, video is shocking...and way worse than Rice and Hunt put together.  

 

However...if life was about having one mistake as a kid define who you are, then it would be a f-ed up world full of losers.  Many people cant understand the world some of these kids come from where violence is often all they know.  I am not in any way condoning what he did, the video is astonishing really.  However, should a mistake while a teenager take everything away from you for the rest of your life?  Especially when you make amends and put the hard and dedicated work in to change and be a better person?

 

Reading the article about his redemption certainly shows what this kid has done, how he has grown, etc.  Who we are is kids is never who we are as adults.  We all made mistakes in high school, some worse than others.  What I see is a young man who seems to have made the changes in his life to become a better person and has earned his second chance.  And I think teams will see that on draft night.  Could it impact his draft slot, sure, but I don't think it will because it is so long ago and he's worked hard to become who he is today.  

Has he? The redemption article didn't mention anything about him reaching out to the victim.  Based on his actions, if he did not then IMO he may have kept his nose clean but he hasn't made amends?

[Not at the table Karlos]

10 minutes ago, Cripple Creek said:

Has he? The redemption article didn't mention anything about him reaching out to the victim.  Based on his actions, if he did not then IMO he may have kept his nose clean but he hasn't made amends?

Would you make amends with someone that attacked your mom?

[Cripple Creek]

4 minutes ago, Not at the table Karlos said:

Would you make amends with someone that attacked your mom?

As I said to the person I quoted who used the words make amends...it ain't that unless he's talked to (and made peace with) the victim.  Where you're coming from is irrelevant.

[Not at the table Karlos]

3 minutes ago, Cripple Creek said:

As I said to the person I quoted who used the words make amends...it ain't that unless he's talked to (and made peace with) the victim.  Where you're coming from is irrelevant.

Question is still being asked. Would you make amends with someone that attacked your mom. 

[Cripple Creek]

Just now, Not at the table Karlos said:

So you would be ok with someone attacking your mom?

You are again missing the point. The person I quoted used that term about Simmons. My only point is that he did not make amends.

 

Now to your totally irrelevant question. I would certainly hope that I would find the inner strength to do so.

[Not at the table Karlos]

5 minutes ago, Cripple Creek said:

You are again missing the point. The person I quoted used that term about Simmons. My only point is that he did not make amends.

 

Now to your totally irrelevant question. I would certainly hope that I would find the inner strength to do so.

Quote about being ok with someone attacking mom was to someone else, why it was deleted. 

 

You said he didnt make amends. And i asked would you make amends. How is that not related to each other?

[Cripple Creek]

1 minute ago, Not at the table Karlos said:

Quote about being ok with someone attacking mom was to someone else, why it was deleted. 

 

You said he didnt make amends. And i asked would you make amends. How is that not related to each other?

Because, what I would or would not do is irrelevant to the fact that he did not make amends. He has lived a controversy free life since he beat the crap out of  prone woman. 

[dollars 2 donuts]

12 minutes ago, Cripple Creek said:

You are again missing the point. The person I quoted used that term about Simmons. My only point is that he did not make amends.

 

Now to your totally irrelevant question. I would certainly hope that I would find the inner strength to do so.

 

CC, I get your point and it is a valid point.

 

The young man seemingly has made strides and if the team does their due diligence and feels comfortable, then I am fine, as well.

 

However, I would like to have heard that he made amends (weirdly that maybe means apologizing to, but also forgiving) to the person he was beating up, even if that person had gotten into with his mom.  If that is his mom on the video she seemingly appears OK.

Edited February 1, 2019 by dollars 2 donuts

[apuszczalowski]

12 hours ago, LSHMEAB said:

I hope I'm not stepping out of line here, but it's kind of interesting that this was charged as a simple assault(which is nothing) as opposed to a DV, which is a HUGE DEAL. Is it REALLY that much worse if it's in the house? On a personal note, I got into a fight with my brother and the cops were called. I was charged with DV, which was dismissed because my brother wanted no part of that nonsense. Nevertheless, the charge of DV remains on my record. A female prospective employer is obviously going to assume I hit a woman. Personal rant over. 

Domestic violence would be in a case where the person you assaulted was a family member or you are in a relationship with. If it is against someone you just met or a stranger its just assault.

5 hours ago, Turk71 said:

Is his sister the gigantic girl who is punching and kicking the much smaller girl curled up on the ground at the same time that her humongous dt brother is smashing her head? 

  I can fully understand why he was beating on a defenseless girl, he was defending his gigantic sister who was also beating on the defenseless girl. A clear case of self defense, plus he was only an 18 year old adult and has been really really nice ever since. He even volunteers! 

Boys will be Boys!

He was just a kid and didnt know better!

She wasnt seriously injured so what was the harm?

 

He is good at sports, he deserves many chances at redemption until he is no longer good at sports. At least he didnt do something as disgusting as kneeling during the anthem....

[row_33]

20 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

Wow, video is shocking...and way worse than Rice and Hunt put together.  

 

However...if life was about having one mistake as a kid define who you are, then it would be a f-ed up world full of losers.  Many people cant understand the world some of these kids come from where violence is often all they know.  I am not in any way condoning what he did, the video is astonishing really.  However, should a mistake while a teenager take everything away from you for the rest of your life?  Especially when you make amends and put the hard and dedicated work in to change and be a better person?

 

Reading the article about his redemption certainly shows what this kid has done, how he has grown, etc.  Who we are is kids is never who we are as adults.  We all made mistakes in high school, some worse than others.  What I see is a young man who seems to have made the changes in his life to become a better person and has earned his second chance.  And I think teams will see that on draft night.  Could it impact his draft slot, sure, but I don't think it will because it is so long ago and he's worked hard to become who he is today.  

 

whatever....

 

who is next on the list to seriously consider drafting

 

 

[BUFFALOTONE]

21 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

Wow, video is shocking...and way worse than Rice and Hunt put together.  

 

However...if life was about having one mistake as a kid define who you are, then it would be a f-ed up world full of losers.  Many people cant understand the world some of these kids come from where violence is often all they know.  I am not in any way condoning what he did, the video is astonishing really.  However, should a mistake while a teenager take everything away from you for the rest of your life?  Especially when you make amends and put the hard and dedicated work in to change and be a better person?

 

Reading the article about his redemption certainly shows what this kid has done, how he has grown, etc.  Who we are is kids is never who we are as adults.  We all made mistakes in high school, some worse than others.  What I see is a young man who seems to have made the changes in his life to become a better person and has earned his second chance.  And I think teams will see that on draft night.  Could it impact his draft slot, sure, but I don't think it will because it is so long ago and he's worked hard to become who he is today.  

Are you his agent? Fantastic fluff piece but if that was your relative he was pounding while on the ground I bet that tune changes. As Singletary said "Don't want him, can't win with him".

Edited February 1, 2019 by BUFFALOTONE

[row_33]

10 minutes ago, BUFFALOTONE said:

Are you his agent? Fantastic fluff piece but if that was you relative he was pounding while on the ground I bet that tune changes. As Singletary said "Don't want him, can't win with him".

 

those types don't care at all, pay no attention to them on here and avoid them like the plague in real life....

 

 

[BUFFALOTONE]

4 minutes ago, row_33 said:

 

those types don't care at all, pay no attention to them on here and avoid them like the plague in real life....

 

 

Just Win Baby. Please, can't root for that guy no matter what rehabilitation he does. Let him work for any other 31 teams, I am not saying he should be tarred and feathered just don't want him on the Bills sideline.

[John from Riverside]

Can someone fill me in on this?  All I see on that video is people taking turns hitting a woman......two of which were men?

 

I dont want to auto make a assumption on what happened here.

 

IF this was a one time incident and he truly has repented I would not be against drafting him......but definately not in the first round more like in the 5th round or something.

[Alphadawg7]

19 minutes ago, BUFFALOTONE said:

Are you his agent? Fantastic fluff piece but if that was your relative he was pounding while on the ground I bet that tune changes. As Singletary said "Don't want him, can't win with him".

 

Ive personally forgiven people in my lifetime for some pretty severe things.  

 

Has the family of the woman Tyreek Hill beat forgiven him?  He’s a guy everyone here drools over and having a big career.  He didn’t get cut while Hunt did for something far less worse than what Hill did.  Why?  Because Hill’s was in his past and has worked hard to prove he’s grown and changed.

 

Sorry, but the family forgiving him is not a prerequisite for someone changing and growing.  They may never forgive him, doesnt mean he can’t change and be a better human.  

 

So if anyone is going to lead the charge against this kid, they better be leading the charge to ban Tyreek Hill for the same reasons.  

 

[Coach Tuesday]

The Bengals will take this guy in the second round and he'll be a wrecking ball for them like Geno Atkins.

[stony]

1 hour ago, John from Riverside said:

Can someone fill me in on this?  All I see on that video is people taking turns hitting a woman......two of which were men?

 

I dont want to auto make a assumption on what happened here.

 

IF this was a one time incident and he truly has repented I would not be against drafting him......but definately not in the first round more like in the 5th round or something.

I believe the 0 technique was a woman.  

[BUFFALOTONE]

1 hour ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Ive personally forgiven people in my lifetime for some pretty severe things.  

 

Has the family of the woman Tyreek Hill beat forgiven him?  He’s a guy everyone here drools over and having a big career.  He didn’t get cut while Hunt did for something far less worse than what Hill did.  Why?  Because Hill’s was in his past and has worked hard to prove he’s grown and changed.

 

Sorry, but the family forgiving him is not a prerequisite for someone changing and growing.  They may never forgive him, doesnt mean he can’t change and be a better human.  

 

So if anyone is going to lead the charge against this kid, they better be leading the charge to ban Tyreek Hill for the same reasons.  

 

We are fooling ourselves to think past and present players weren't doing these sorts of things prior to the advancement of the cameral phone. Not painting a broad brush but to my knowledge and it's sad to say Hill wasn't caught on camera. That's the reality we live in and to answer your question I wouldn't want Hill either. I get everyone has a past but your wired a certain way and call me crazy but I don't think getting money, power and fame will help the cause, but would love to be proven wrong.

[Alphadawg7]

41 minutes ago, BUFFALOTONE said:

We are fooling ourselves to think past and present players weren't doing these sorts of things prior to the advancement of the cameral phone. Not painting a broad brush but to my knowledge and it's sad to say Hill wasn't caught on camera. That's the reality we live in and to answer your question I wouldn't want Hill either. I get everyone has a past but your wired a certain way and call me crazy but I don't think getting money, power and fame will help the cause, but would love to be proven wrong.

 

You say you would love to be proven wrong...while advocating to deprive him of the opportunity to do so.  Do you see the irony in that?

[LSHMEAB]

6 hours ago, apuszczalowski said:

Domestic violence would be in a case where the person you assaulted was a family member or you are in a relationship with. If it is against someone you just met or a stranger its just assault.

 

Yes. I'm well aware of the law. I was pointing out a flaw in the law such as two brothers getting into a fight and someone calling the cops. That's treated as a more serious offense than bumrushing someone on the street. Kind of stupid. Was dismissed, but it still shows up your record, and people are automatically going to assume you beat a woman.

[Turk71]

4 hours ago, LSHMEAB said:

Yes. I'm well aware of the law. I was pointing out a flaw in the law such as two brothers getting into a fight and someone calling the cops. That's treated as a more serious offense than bumrushing someone on the street. Kind of stupid. Was dismissed, but it still shows up your record, and people are automatically going to assume you beat a woman.

That is messed up. DV for fighting your brother? My older brother and I fought constantly growing up. Fighting was common in South Buffalo in the 60s and 70s and I can't remember the cops ever being involved. They did show up to break up a group battle in Caz park once, Abbott rd versus Seneca st ?. No one got seriously hurt or arrested luckily.