Philo Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 3 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Agree. It wouldn't surprise me if in three years the Jets feel pretty good about Darnold but are still stuck between 6 and 9 wins and ditch Gase to move on. That's pretty much where I am on this. Gase should help Darnold develop, but I am not sold on him being a HC. Honestly seems like one of those guys that is just a much better coordinator than HC. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 13 minutes ago, eball said: Not quite sure why you're beating this drum, but if you can't see the difference in the culture McD has established in Buffalo and what Gase "established" in Miami I just can't help ya, kid. McD kept the Bills competitive with perhaps the least talented roster in the league. Gase lost his locker room, his team imploded, and he got himself canned. Still having trouble seeing who is the better leader? I am firmly with you here. Gase doesn't such as a football coach. He sucks as a leader. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LB3 Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 30 minutes ago, teef said: oh my. i didn't say gase was terrible or mcdermott was good. i just felt that comparing win percentages of a coach that was beginning the third year of a rebuild to a coach that had his chance, coached multiple year and failed, wasn't correct or honest. i guess you just can't understand that. since you have no argument and are coming off looking a bit foolish, you fall back on calling people homers, and nonsense comments that were never actually said. you easily prove my point. edit: to be fair, i'm not even saying gase is a bad coach. he may do well and you may be right. i just was shocked that you think comparing win percentages is an intelligent, reasonable way of comparing the two. it's not, and either you don't understand that, or you just can't admit you look a bit foolish after all of this. He's just tilting at windmills again. That's pretty much his thing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billieve420 Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 Gase would have been better off in a place like Greenbay or Arizona. I don't think he has what it takes to be in NY and see this move backfiring on the Jets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 14 minutes ago, billieve420 said: Gase would have been better off in a place like Greenbay or Arizona. I don't think he has what it takes to be in NY and see this move backfiring on the Jets. quite plausible Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 15 hours ago, Ramza86 said: I live in Miami....he did a lot with a whole lot of nothing. Most of the people down here dont realize it...but he did a good job.... Now in terms of being a leader of men? Thats another story.... Thats a fair point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purple haze Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 1 hour ago, dave mcbride said: LOL. My take: Bills fans think they hate the Pats more than anyone else, but I can assure that Jets fans hate them more than we do. Who is the one coach who has given Belichick fits the last few years? Adam Gase. This is at least in part about the Pats. What about the other teams on the schedule? Rex was said to give the Pats trouble too. What happened to him, twice? ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 48 minutes ago, LABillzFan said: I never understand why calling someone a homer is perceived as a bad thing. What the hell is wrong with being a homer? The difference between a homer and other fans is that a homer KNOWS they can do NOTHING to change the trajectory of their team's successes. Not one damn thing. So instead of pretending we're smarter than NFL execs and instead of pretending our thoughts matter, we just enjoy the ride...win or lose? The only other option is to not follow the team, and that's not an option for me. So I willingly choose to watch and cheer and be a homer. I'm LABillzFan and I'm a homer. Wouldn't you like to be a homer too? I think you know this but I spent years being called a homer. It’s funny to do to others. i will say being a “realist” makes watching games so much easier. I used to get so mad when they lost when I was a homer. Now, I get pleasantly surprised when they win. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real McClappy Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 Since we are all homers don't we want Head Gase to continue to suck like he did in Miami? I sure as F do. Gase Sucks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 13 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: I think you know this but I spent years being called a homer. It’s funny to do to others. i will say being a “realist” makes watching games so much easier. I used to get so mad when they lost when I was a homer. Now, I get pleasantly surprised when they win. personal simple test: am i willing to put $1,000 on the Bills to win this game? If not, relax and look for good things for the future in the game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 13 minutes ago, row_33 said: personal simple test: am i willing to put $1,000 on the Bills to win this game? If not, relax and look for good things for the future in the game I already decided if the Bills, god willingly ever make the SB, I’m putting $1000 on the other team. A win-win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loyal2dagame Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: I already decided if the Bills, god willingly ever make the SB, I’m putting $1000 on the other team. A win-win. What if the other team's starting qb, wr, rb and oline has the flu and can't play due to dehydration? Do you still not put money on the Bills? ? Edited January 10, 2019 by loyal2dagame Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 12 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: I already decided if the Bills, god willingly ever make the SB, I’m putting $1000 on the other team. A win-win. It was fun waking up on Sundays with a 95% certainty the Bills would win or play like hell out there, and easily stomp a visiting team. Probably never happening against since the early 90s.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 10, 2019 Author Share Posted January 10, 2019 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loyal2dagame Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 AFC East merry go round that the Pats created Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 10, 2019 Author Share Posted January 10, 2019 Armando Salguero: New York Jets hire Adam Gase. Miami Dolphins should answer with Jim Harbaugh https://www.miamiherald.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/armando-salguero/article224207715.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhitewalkerInPhilly Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 I honestly think he's overrated. I never feared the Dolphins under him, and Darnold is hardly a lock to even match Tanny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, WhitewalkerInPhilly said: I honestly think he's overrated. I never feared the Dolphins under him, and Darnold is hardly a lock to even match Tanny. I would take that bet. And I never fear a coach. But I think a big reason we never feared Miami is because they have Tannehill. He’s not good enough but Gase was forced to have him. Darnold is most talented qb he has had since Manning. SD may turn out to be a bust but I won’t just brush this off. Edited January 10, 2019 by C.Biscuit97 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick the Greek Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 (edited) 6 hours ago, Steptide said: Probably not, but there's been other times they've beaten the Pats with gase. Last year on Monday night comes to mind Actually yea in all seriousness tho, the Dolphins have been really good vs the Pats when playing in Miami. I think Brady is like 7-9 down there. Maybe it’s the heat? http://www.espn.com/blog/miami-dolphins/post/_/id/28282/how-miami-has-been-a-danger-zone-for-patriots-and-tom-brady Edited January 10, 2019 by Idandria Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffaloboyinATL Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 2 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: Now if only the Dolphins would hire Rex, the circle would be complete. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 9 hours ago, eball said: Not quite sure why you're beating this drum, but if you can't see the difference in the culture McD has established in Buffalo and what Gase "established" in Miami I just can't help ya, kid. McD kept the Bills competitive with perhaps the least talented roster in the league. Gase lost his locker room, his team imploded, and he got himself canned. Still having trouble seeing who is the better leader? But didn't McDermott "lose his locker room" when he went to Peterman (twice!) only to recover it? My point here is not which coach is objectively the better "leader of men." Rather, it's that we simply don't know anything about these things that would give us any predictive value. Look at the Dolphins' situation: Tony Sparano: "leader of men." They outperformed under him, until they didn't. Remember interim coach Dan Campbell? He was a classic "leader of men." When he took over mid-season, the impact of the change was obvious. They played harder and better. Until they didn't. So my point it this: we don't know a damn thing about "leaders of men" vs. "not being head coach material." We creative a narrative after the fact: if a coach succeeds over a significant period of time, well, then, he must be a good leader. If not, but he otherwise succeeded as a coordinator, he must not be a "leader of men." It has next to no predictive value. Frank Reich has made the divisional round; just a year ago he was a "good coordinator, probably not head coach material." Mike McCarthy - two years ago - was a good coach and a strong leader; now he's out of a job. So my objection is to fans labeling things based on little or no objective information. You might as well just say, "Gase had a meh record with a league-average talented team; hence he is not a leader." But then what about, say, Chuck Pagano? Just a few years ago he was an inspirational leader; now nobody wants him. It's fan talk. It's not reality. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 @The Frankish Reich you are clearly passionate about this topic for some reason, but at least for me judging leadership is about more than just the W-L record. It is patently clear that McD is a strong leader; it’s quite murky with respect to Gase. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 9 hours ago, The Frankish Reich said: But didn't McDermott "lose his locker room" when he went to Peterman (twice!) only to recover it? My point here is not which coach is objectively the better "leader of men." Rather, it's that we simply don't know anything about these things that would give us any predictive value. Look at the Dolphins' situation: Tony Sparano: "leader of men." They outperformed under him, until they didn't. Remember interim coach Dan Campbell? He was a classic "leader of men." When he took over mid-season, the impact of the change was obvious. They played harder and better. Until they didn't. So my point it this: we don't know a damn thing about "leaders of men" vs. "not being head coach material." We creative a narrative after the fact: if a coach succeeds over a significant period of time, well, then, he must be a good leader. If not, but he otherwise succeeded as a coordinator, he must not be a "leader of men." It has next to no predictive value. Frank Reich has made the divisional round; just a year ago he was a "good coordinator, probably not head coach material." Mike McCarthy - two years ago - was a good coach and a strong leader; now he's out of a job. So my objection is to fans labeling things based on little or no objective information. You might as well just say, "Gase had a meh record with a league-average talented team; hence he is not a leader." But then what about, say, Chuck Pagano? Just a few years ago he was an inspirational leader; now nobody wants him. It's fan talk. It's not reality. I agree that often fans have very little to base those assumptions on. However with Gase..... wow.... watch the body language, listen to the press conferences. There is a mountain of evidence when it comes to Gase that suggests he is ill suited to being a leader of men. He is a sulker. You can't sulk and lead. I actually said this the year they made their run and reached the playoffs too. So this isn't fitting a narrative to results. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 18 hours ago, LABillzFan said: I never understand why calling someone a homer is perceived as a bad thing. What the hell is wrong with being a homer? The difference between a homer and other fans is that a homer KNOWS they can do NOTHING to change the trajectory of their team's successes. Not one damn thing. So instead of pretending we're smarter than NFL execs and instead of pretending our thoughts matter, we just enjoy the ride...win or lose? The only other option is to not follow the team, and that's not an option for me. So I willingly choose to watch and cheer and be a homer. I'm LABillzFan and I'm a homer. Wouldn't you like to be a homer too? I am incapable of being a homer. My brain doesn't really work that way. I can't just buckle up and enjoy the ride. I am generally and optimist (I think) but I have an in built need to try and work things out so my brain always overrides. My actual predictions of the Bills final record at the start of seasons have been pretty spot on for the past decade. The only year I was more than a game out was the first Rex Ryan year when I predicted 10-6 and we went 8-8. Other than that.... within a game every year. I feel like I normally have a pretty good handle on where the team is at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 1 hour ago, GunnerBill said: I agree that often fans have very little to base those assumptions on. However with Gase..... wow.... watch the body language, listen to the press conferences. There is a mountain of evidence when it comes to Gase that suggests he is ill suited to being a leader of men. He is a sulker. You can't sulk and lead. I actually said this the year they made their run and reached the playoffs too. So this isn't fitting a narrative to results. People change though... it's not immutable. Maybe he'll grow up a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 2 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said: People change though... it's not immutable. Maybe he'll grow up a bit. Hmm. In my experience that sort of thing doesn't tend to change. I played soccer for a sulker. Tactically and technically he was streets ahead of most of the other semi-pro coaches I played for. But you'd come in after a loss and he'd hardly say a word and sulk in the corner of the locker room and it is extremely demotivating. I think that is hard to change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 Just now, GunnerBill said: Hmm. In my experience that sort of thing doesn't tend to change. I played soccer for a sulker. Tactically and technically he was streets ahead of most of the other semi-pro coaches I played for. But you'd come in after a loss and he'd hardly say a word and sulk in the corner of the locker room and it is extremely demotivating. I think that is hard to change. Coughlin did it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 16 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said: Coughlin did it. Was Coughlin a sulker? Or was he just a total hard ass who learned how to soften? I think it was the latter and I think that change is easier (though by no means easy) to make. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 11, 2019 Author Share Posted January 11, 2019 Interesting considering Gase said he’s bringing him over as OC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 22 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: This is genius! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 4 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: This is genius! In many respects, giving new and appropriate meaning to the phrase ‘rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic’. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 On 1/10/2019 at 6:25 AM, MrEpsYtown said: I think he will get Darnold coached up. I think marriage of him and the New York media will be fun to watch. who will be his DC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 16 minutes ago, ganesh said: who will be his DC. Vance Joseph was the early rumor, but it looks like the Cards and Browns are after him. Personally, I think they should try to hire Chuck Pagano. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 6 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said: Vance Joseph was the early rumor, but it looks like the Cards and Browns are after him. Personally, I think they should try to hire Chuck Pagano. Seen the Bears linked to Joseph too. They are looking for a 3-4 guy to replace Fangio. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 I love this! Hilarious. The Jets are a joke hahaha... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 15 hours ago, Coach Tuesday said: People change though... it's not immutable. Maybe he'll grow up a bit. You know who Gase reminds me of? Josh McDaniels. Josh will get his second chance too - could have had it last year if he'd wanted it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patriot Killa Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 14 hours ago, ganesh said: who will be his DC. Looks like Gregg Williams will be the Jets new DC. Ian Rapoport saying that it likely gets done tomorrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 Just now, Patriot Killa said: Looks like Gregg Williams will be the Jets new DC. Ian Rapoport saying that it likely gets done tomorrow. Your thoughts, as a dirty Jets fan, on the Gase and Williams hiring? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 3 hours ago, Patriot Killa said: Looks like Gregg Williams will be the Jets new DC. Ian Rapoport saying that it likely gets done tomorrow. Bounties galore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cygnus99 Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 It will be interesting to see 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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