YoloinOhio Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 (edited) I’m listening to josh Allen’s Interview on WGR this morning and he brought up David Culley’s name unsolicited, saying how much he trusts him, that he listens to everything he says, and how important he has been to his development. I thought this was interesting because a lot of us have wondered if they may consider moving him to WR coach where most of his career has been spent, now that Robiskie is gone. Based on Josh’s comments, I’d be shocked if they made any changes to the QB coaching situation. Link to interview https://app.radio.com/SuggbyiadT Edited January 4, 2019 by YoloinOhio 5 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerJ Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 My thought as well. Culley came to Buffalo because it was an opportunity to coach QBs, something he's wanted to do to fillout his resume. He would probably not be very happy at being asked to switch to WR. That, plus the fact that from all indications Allen likes him and he is apparently being developed the right way makes swtiching him sound like a bad idea, tantamount to trying to fix something that doesn't need to be fixed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProcessAccepted Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 That is one thing I really like about Allen. He definitely is an "Us/We" guy. He always takes the time to share the credit and shoulders all the blame (even when it's not him dropping the ball). 15 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hondo in seattle Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 I can’t remember where but I heard Culley is a good x and o, film room guy. He’s not good with QB biomechanics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshAllenHasBigHands Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 Culley has an impeccable resume and took this position to try to climb the ladder and eventually become a HC. He would never move to WR coach. But with his experience, he surely knows plenty about the QB position. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 4, 2019 Author Share Posted January 4, 2019 16 minutes ago, hondo in seattle said: I can’t remember where but I heard Culley is a good x and o, film room guy. He’s not good with QB biomechanics. The first part is really what the team QB coach is for. I think the personal QB coaches work more on the latter (in this case Jordan Palmer). There isn’t a lot of practice time available to work on individual mechanics, tbh. Maybe in OTAs and TC but I think they are working more on team- specific scheme and package install even then. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 40 minutes ago, hondo in seattle said: I can’t remember where but I heard Culley is a good x and o, film room guy. He’s not good with QB biomechanics. Other than that part of it, which is very important for QB development, can't see that a guy wit ha WR perspective would be bad for QB development. Explaining to the QB how a WR thinks and run routes and where he'd like the ball can't do anything but help. People here with no actual inside knowledge get way too hung up on things like this with people working anywhere close to outside the lines means incompetency. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshAllenHasBigHands Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 2 minutes ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said: Other than that part of it, which is very important for QB development, can't see that a guy wit ha WR perspective would be bad for QB development. Explaining to the QB how a WR thinks and run routes and where he'd like the ball can't do anything but help. People here with no actual inside knowledge get way too hung up on things like this with people working anywhere close to outside the lines means incompetency. He was Any Reid's assistant coach for years. Andy Reid let him go so he could build the resume to get him to a HC job some day. Those two facts says so much about what this guy is and what he can do. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JESSEFEFFER Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 (edited) He also talked about wanting to throw the ball out of the stadium as an exclamation point, TD celebration. The tunnel end has the scoreboards and the administration building in the way so he thought better of it. The NFL has a fine of over $6k for throwing the ball into the stands so any of us could argue that appeal. The money goes to a retired players charity so Howard and Jeremy were promoting a future GoFundMe effort and warning signs outside the stadium in the areas the ball might land. Edited January 4, 2019 by JESSEFEFFER 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 If Allen continues his upward trajectory, this is going to pay off for Culley big time. Allen was the type of raw prospect coming out of college that a QB coach can take credit for developing. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 I was leery of the Culley hire, too, but Allen's development this season has quieted my fears for the time being. I'm not sure how anyone who is happy with Allen's development this season could ALSO still be ringing the "get rid of Culley" bell. The two views are not compatible, in my estimation. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoHuddleKelly12 Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 Culley along with Daboll might be Exhibit A as to why it's important not to judge too soon off of a week by week hot take basis...I'm as guilty as the next guy of having questioned Culley's contributions along the way. I'm ok with seeing how this plays out through next year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 (edited) 716 has been defending Culley for quite a while on these boards. I think resigning Barkely and Anderson, along with Allen's endorsement of Culley is an encouraging sign. McD and Beane believe Allen is on track to be the qb they were hoping for and don't want to upset the situation that is promoting development. They kinda lucked into it, but great that they recognize it. Keep what works, move on from what doesn't. Edited January 4, 2019 by Dr. Who 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hondo in seattle Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said: The first part is really what the team QB coach is for. I think the personal QB coaches work more on the latter (in this case Jordan Palmer). There isn’t a lot of practice time available to work on individual mechanics, tbh. Maybe in OTAs and TC but I think they are working more on team- specific scheme and package install even then. I agree. But I wonder why NFL teams don't have both kinds of QB coaches on staff... One who's good at breaking down film, installing the game plan, and so on. And another who works with the QB on his mechanics. In the Bills case, why don't we have both Culley and Jordan Palmer at OBD? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billspro Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 Allen developed nicely in year one. Culley come from a great system and has worked with Andy Reid who seems to be a QB guru. I think we have the right guy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 1 hour ago, Logic said: I was leery of the Culley hire, too, but Allen's development this season has quieted my fears for the time being. I'm not sure how anyone who is happy with Allen's development this season could ALSO still be ringing the "get rid of Culley" bell. The two views are not compatible, in my estimation. I don’t think any of us know the true affect good or bad, that Culley had. Josh’s improvements were clearly in second half of season after his return from injury. Josh’s improvements directly corresponded to the additions of Anderson and Barkley midway through season and Bills rewarded both with extensions more for that than play (even with Barkley’s great game). Josh’s improvements directly corresponded with lowering and later releasing Benjamin and Holmes combined with ascending Foster and McKenzie and later Zay. I dont see Culley much in there. But again we don’t know. Josh talks highly about virtually everyone except himself. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Lightning Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 If it ain't broke... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boater Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 2 hours ago, hondo in seattle said: I can’t remember where but I heard Culley is a good x and o, film room guy. He’s not good with QB biomechanics. I have the same impression. I wonder where Allen could get off season help with his biomechanics? I don't think he needs allot of help, just a tweak here and there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: I’m listening to josh Allen’s Interview on WGR this morning and he brought up David Culley’s name unsolicited, saying how much he trusts him, that he listens to everything he says, and how important he has been to his development. I thought this was interesting because a lot of us have wondered if they may consider moving him to WR coach where most of his career has been spent, now that Robiskie is gone. Based on Josh’s comments, I’d be shocked if they made any changes to the QB coaching situation. Will post link to interview when available But I heard on TSW that he hasnt coached Allen at all. Edited January 4, 2019 by formerlyofCtown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 But everybody called me dumb when I said he was great for Allen’s development and a great coach... everybody said we needed a real QB coach... guess what he is... and he is very good with film and mechanics... he is a fundamentals and mechanics Harper and a great coach but what do I know 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 1 minute ago, Buffalo716 said: But everybody called me dumb when I said he was great for Allen’s development and a great coach... everybody said we needed a real QB coach... guess what he is... and he is very good with film and mechanics... he is a fundamentals and mechanics Harper and a great coach but what do I know Hey, I gave you cred up thread. Don't worry. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 Just now, Dr. Who said: Hey, I gave you cred up thread. Don't worry. I really appreciate it my friend ? now lets get Allen some lineman and weapons! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 4, 2019 Author Share Posted January 4, 2019 Updated with link to interview https://app.radio.com/SuggbyiadT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 5 hours ago, Kelly the Dog said: I don’t think any of us know the true affect good or bad, that Culley had. Josh’s improvements were clearly in second half of season after his return from injury. Josh’s improvements directly corresponded to the additions of Anderson and Barkley midway through season and Bills rewarded both with extensions more for that than play (even with Barkley’s great game). Josh’s improvements directly corresponded with lowering and later releasing Benjamin and Holmes combined with ascending Foster and McKenzie and later Zay. I dont see Culley much in there. But again we don’t know. Josh talks highly about virtually everyone except himself. Or maybe they corresponded with him getting injured and having more time to work in the classroom. 5 hours ago, Buffalo716 said: But everybody called me dumb when I said he was great for Allen’s development and a great coach... everybody said we needed a real QB coach... guess what he is... and he is very good with film and mechanics... he is a fundamentals and mechanics Harper and a great coach but what do I know I didnt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inigo Montoya Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 I think Allen hurting his elbow may have saved his season. I think it was a huge benefit for him to have several weeks in the middle of the season to go back and spend time watching his game film and work on the mental aspect of his game. I think it made a huge difference. He couldn't work on his throwing when his elbow was healing, all he could work on was the cerebral part of being an NFL quarterback. He didn't have to worry about installing new plays for that week's game and breaking down the opposing defense. He could just focus on what he needed to do to become a better QB, not what he had to do to win that particular game. That chance to take a deep breath and refocus your efforts can be huge. Without that time off there's a good chance he'd have finished the season the same way he started it. We all saw when he came back from the injury that his pocket presence was significantly improved and his play reflected that. I'm not sure that late season improvement happens without the elbow injury. Who would have guessed that Jadeveon Clowney could end up being the Bill's 2018 MVP? 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaryPinC Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 1 hour ago, Inigo Montoya said: I think Allen hurting his elbow may have saved his season. I think it was a huge benefit for him to have several weeks in the middle of the season to go back and spend time watching his game film and work on the mental aspect of his game. I think it made a huge difference. He couldn't work on his throwing when his elbow was healing, all he could work on was the cerebral part of being an NFL quarterback. I agree with ya, best thing was they didn't have to bench him which can create additional issues. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 5, 2019 Author Share Posted January 5, 2019 3 hours ago, Inigo Montoya said: I think Allen hurting his elbow may have saved his season. I think it was a huge benefit for him to have several weeks in the middle of the season to go back and spend time watching his game film and work on the mental aspect of his game. I think it made a huge difference. He couldn't work on his throwing when his elbow was healing, all he could work on was the cerebral part of being an NFL quarterback. He didn't have to worry about installing new plays for that week's game and breaking down the opposing defense. He could just focus on what he needed to do to become a better QB, not what he had to do to win that particular game. That chance to take a deep breath and refocus your efforts can be huge. Without that time off there's a good chance he'd have finished the season the same way he started it. We all saw when he came back from the injury that his pocket presence was significantly improved and his play reflected that. I'm not sure that late season improvement happens without the elbow injury. Who would have guessed that Jadeveon Clowney could end up being the Bill's 2018 MVP? We should give him giant contract in a couple months as a thank you ? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 22 hours ago, hondo in seattle said: I agree. But I wonder why NFL teams don't have both kinds of QB coaches on staff... One who's good at breaking down film, installing the game plan, and so on. And another who works with the QB on his mechanics. In the Bills case, why don't we have both Culley and Jordan Palmer at OBD? Due to CBA the coaches are limited in time they can spend with players, even voluntarily, so Jordan Palmer would not be able to spend as much time with Josh as he did last season. He also has other clients so may make more than a QB assistant coach in his business as well as not having to deal with moving, being fired, etc. Also hear Jordan Palmer has bad memories of Buffalo since he was on team for total of 5 days. 21 hours ago, formerlyofCtown said: But I heard on TSW that he hasnt coached Allen at all. You do not have the right people on ignore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat68 Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 There are a finite amount of people who understand and can coach football throwing mechanics for NFL QBs. Due to CBA rules NFL teams dont have the time to do it. The Patriots, model franchise in every aspect of coaching, and organization structure do not do it. It's on Allen to improve his mechanics. Keeping with Palmer would make alot of sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 3 hours ago, Limeaid said: Due to CBA the coaches are limited in time they can spend with players, even voluntarily, so Jordan Palmer would not be able to spend as much time with Josh as he did last season. He also has other clients so may make more than a QB assistant coach in his business as well as not having to deal with moving, being fired, etc. Also hear Jordan Palmer has bad memories of Buffalo since he was on team for total of 5 days. You do not have the right people on ignore. Lol Im in a better mood lately so Im taking some off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tcampbell104 Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 4 hours ago, Limeaid said: Due to CBA the coaches are limited in time they can spend with players, even voluntarily, so Jordan Palmer would not be able to spend as much time with Josh as he did last season. He also has other clients so may make more than a QB assistant coach in his business as well as not having to deal with moving, being fired, etc. Also hear Jordan Palmer has bad memories of Buffalo since he was on team for total of 5 days. You do not have the right people on ignore. i thought that was just the coaches employed by the team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WideNine Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 On 1/4/2019 at 11:38 AM, Buffalo716 said: But everybody called me dumb when I said he was great for Allen’s development and a great coach... everybody said we needed a real QB coach... guess what he is... and he is very good with film and mechanics... he is a fundamentals and mechanics Harper and a great coach but what do I know I didn't say dumb - I just was saying "Culley - who?", and was more than skeptical hoping Daboll could fill the QB coaching needs. Nicely done, and finding folks that have a different take or better information about the Bills players and staff is one of the reasons I like to come here. More than happy to eat my words and it is obvious you had a better bead on his ability to contribute than I did. Crow never tasted so good - keep it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 8 minutes ago, WideNine said: I didn't say dumb - I just was saying "Culley - who?", and was more than skeptical hoping Daboll could fill the QB coaching needs. Nicely done, and finding folks that have a different take or better information about the Bills players and staff is one of the reasons I like to come here. More than happy to eat my words and it is obvious you had a better bead on his ability to contribute than I did. Crow never tasted so good - keep it up. Well thank you and I am one who will always admit when I am wrong as well. It’s not something I will gloat over and hold over everybody I’ve been a player , coach and scout my whole life. I understand the game and coaches , and at this point I have a bead on guys that I think are good for young players and bad for them Culley was a guy circled for the positive 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 5 hours ago, tcampbell104 said: i thought that was just the coaches employed by the team Yes and that is why he cannot be employed by Bills as a QB assistant coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 On 1/4/2019 at 9:14 AM, YoloinOhio said: The first part is really what the team QB coach is for. I think the personal QB coaches work more on the latter (in this case Jordan Palmer). There isn’t a lot of practice time available to work on individual mechanics, tbh. Maybe in OTAs and TC but I think they are working more on team- specific scheme and package install even then. From stuff Allen and McDermott said earlier in the season, Allen goes out before practice every day and does technique drills with one of the assistants On 1/4/2019 at 10:49 AM, hondo in seattle said: I agree. But I wonder why NFL teams don't have both kinds of QB coaches on staff... One who's good at breaking down film, installing the game plan, and so on. And another who works with the QB on his mechanics. In the Bills case, why don't we have both Culley and Jordan Palmer at OBD? In the case of Jordan Palmer, he’s made it pretty clear he likes his “private QB tutor” thing and does not want to coach for a team. It’s also advantageous for him to not be employed by the team so there are not restrictions on him working with Allen off-season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 5 hours ago, Buffalo716 said: Well thank you and I am one who will always admit when I am wrong as well. It’s not something I will gloat over and hold over everybody I’ve been a player , coach and scout my whole life. I understand the game and coaches , and at this point I have a bead on guys that I think are good for young players and bad for them Culley was a guy circled for the positive So @Buffalo716, what do you know about the guy they said drills with Allen before every practice? Shea Tierney I believe was the name. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Romes Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 On 1/4/2019 at 9:19 AM, YoloinOhio said: I’m listening to josh Allen’s Interview on WGR this morning and he brought up David Culley’s name unsolicited, saying how much he trusts him, that he listens to everything he says, and how important he has been to his development. I thought this was interesting because a lot of us have wondered if they may consider moving him to WR coach where most of his career has been spent, now that Robiskie is gone. Based on Josh’s comments, I’d be shocked if they made any changes to the QB coaching situation. Link to interview https://app.radio.com/SuggbyiadT Means nothing. JA says everyone is great. He used to say how great Nate Peterman is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 12 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: So @Buffalo716, what do you know about the guy they said drills with Allen before every practice? Shea Tierney I believe was the name. I know he’s been with the Eagles and Alabama... he’s familiar with Saban and Sarkisian I believe, maybe Kiffin he was an analyst. Supposedly good with film breakdown and tendencies and such i don’t think he’s a Mechanics guru. He is known as a good analyst and film guy So maybe working on situations they know will pop up on gameday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 6, 2019 Author Share Posted January 6, 2019 24 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: So @Buffalo716, what do you know about the guy they said drills with Allen before every practice? Shea Tierney I believe was the name. He’s an OL guy I believe from Bama Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 Just now, Buffalo716 said: I know he’s been with the Eagles and Alabama... he’s familiar with Saban and Sarkisian I believe, maybe Kiffin he was an analyst. Supposedly good with film breakdown and tendencies and such i don’t think he’s a Mechanics guru. He is known as a good analyst and film guy So maybe working on situations they know will pop up on gameday Allen said it was drills, footwork and mechanics on short passes and throwing spirals and such. It may be Allen knows what he’s supposed to do and they have someone filming it. Or maybe Tierney or someone else watching has a punch list of watchouts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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