Updated: Steelers open to trading Antonio Brown - Rooney sees it hard bringing him back

[BuffaloBill]

The Steelers appear to be swirling in the toilet.

[BADOLBILZ]

34 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

How about this: Buffalo trades the #9 pick and a 2nd round pick to Pittsburgh for Brown and the #20 pick?

 

That's effectively two 2nd round picks for AB.

 

 

How about Poyer and a #2?

 

As you mentioned earlier.......I don't think they can be on the same team.

 

The Bills first round pick is definitely too early for Brown considering his ever accumulating baggage IMO.......I think a team with a late first round pick or an earlier selecting second rounder would be best positioned in the event the Steelers were willing to bury that $20M in dead money.

 

I think that #9 pick is perfectly positioned for Julio Jones though if the Falcons decide they can part with him.

 

AB may be no worse of an attitude issue than McCoy was when the Bills traded for him but that was Rex...........I don't think McD would be comfortable with Brown.

 

Jones though...........he's all about hard work and routine.........I think he'd actually like the McD way............and of course he's waiting on that contract re-do.

[3rdand12]

6 minutes ago, formerlyofCtown said:

So youre going to trade the 9th overall pick and a gourth for a 30 yr old WR.  Is that you Whaley.

No

 It's me

 Beane !!

 

LOL

[thebandit27]

4 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

How about Poyer and a #2?

 

As you mentioned earlier.......I don't think they can be on the same team.

 

The Bills first round pick is definitely too early for Brown considering his ever accumulating baggage IMO.......I think a team with a late first round pick or an earlier selecting second rounder would be best positioned in the event the Steelers were willing to bury that $20M in dead money.

 

I think that #9 pick is perfectly positioned for Julio Jones though if the Falcons decide they can part with him.

 

AB may be no worse of an attitude issue than McCoy was when the Bills traded for him but that was Rex...........I don't think McD would be comfortable with Brown.

 

Jones though...........he's all about hard work and routine.........I think he'd actually like the McD way............and of course he's waiting on that contract re-do.

 

9 for Julio is a straight yes for me.

 

No brainer.

[stevewin]

One thing that doesn't seem to be talked a lot about related to this is Tomlin lying about the "knee injury".  That's a pretty bad look (at a minimum) 

[3rdand12]

8 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

 

So his age is the issue? I mean, realistically any player you trade a pick for is going to be older than the guy you'd draft.

 

Also, what player are you getting at 9 that you feel confident will contribute more to the team for the next 3 years than the combined effort of Brown and the player you pick at 20?

what if one does not feel confident about the trade. regardless of talent ?
 me ? i would much rather find my #1 WR in the draft. and at nine? i aint giving that up for nothing that is not a lock to play ball

is it possible he is already down siding and Steelers know it ?
 

[Bangarang]

10 minutes ago, matter2003 said:

When a player loses speed and quickness production starts dropping...he is right around the time that happens for WRs...why would you make a bad bet? 

 

I don’t view it as a bad bet. I wouldn’t expect to have Brown playing at an elite level for the next 5 years but if we can get him at his current production for the next 2 or 3 then I think it would be a tremendous help to Allen’s development. For that I’ll gladly take that chance.

[formerlyofCtown]

18 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

How about Poyer and a #2?

 

As you mentioned earlier.......I don't think they can be on the same team.

 

The Bills first round pick is definitely too early for Brown considering his ever accumulating baggage IMO.......I think a team with a late first round pick or an earlier selecting second rounder would be best positioned in the event the Steelers were willing to bury that $20M in dead money.

 

I think that #9 pick is perfectly positioned for Julio Jones though if the Falcons decide they can part with him.

 

AB may be no worse of an attitude issue than McCoy was when the Bills traded for him but that was Rex...........I don't think McD would be comfortable with Brown.

 

Jones though...........he's all about hard work and routine.........I think he'd actually like the McD way............and of course he's waiting on that contract re-do.

I would swap picks and a 3rd for Julio but Im not giving up the 9th overall pick for a WR in that age group.  I would probably give up a Second in a pick swap.  A top 10 pick is very valuable.  We got Two 1st the last time we traded it IIRC.

 

He is 29 years old.  If we were 1 Julio Jones away from being a SB contender I would do it straight up.

Edited January 1, 2019 by formerlyofCtown

[thebandit27]

Just now, formerlyofCtown said:

I would swap picks and a 3rd for Julio but Im not giving up the 9th overall pick for a WR in that age group.

 

Like I asked before: how confident are you that the player you get at 9 will contribute more to this team in the next 3 seasons than Julio?

 

3 minutes ago, 3rdand12 said:

what if one does not feel confident about the trade. regardless of talent ?
 me ? i would much rather find my #1 WR in the draft. and at nine? i aint giving that up for nothing that is not a lock to play ball

is it possible he is already down siding and Steelers know it ?
 

 

Sure, but simply basing it on age isn't a wise approach.

 

He's still one of the 3 best WRs in football every year 

[3rdand12]

2 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

 

Like I asked before: how confident are you that the player you get at 9 will contribute more to this team in the next 3 seasons than Julio?

 

 

Sure, but simply basing it on age isn't a wise approach.

 

He's still one of the 3 best WRs in football every year 

I'm sorry , are we talking about Jones ?
if so, i might be swayed.
my apologies. i thought it was about Brown  : (

[JoPar_v2]

12 minutes ago, formerlyofCtown said:

He did that with AB lined up opposite.  Someday you guys will understand stats dont tell the whole story.

Take a look at Price's stats lined up with Moulds and then check him out for the rest of his career.

Teams are not game planning to stop JuJu they are trying to stop AB and still cant.

As far as your last statement, That very fact makes my point its very important to the arguement.  LOL I love how some of you like to dismiss anything that proves you wrong.  

 

1. You didn’t prove anything;

 

2. This was just a question about “likeable” star wideouts. JuJu is emerging as a star, elite wideout in his own right. Sure it helps him that he has AB lined up opposite him most days. Big deal. There are several other WR2s in the league oppo elite guys as well and they don’t come close to Juju’s production. Is Will Fuller putting up juju’s numbers? Is Calvin Ridley? I didn’t dismiss you because you “proved” anything wrong. I dismissed because you’re off-topic.

[thebandit27]

Just now, 3rdand12 said:

I'm sorry , are we talking about Jones ?
if so, i might be swayed.
my apologies. i thought it was about Brown  : (

 

We're talking about both, and no, you're not confused! You responded about Brown and my reply was about Brown.

[Reed83HOF]

 

[Doc Brown]

13 minutes ago, stevewin said:

One thing that doesn't seem to be talked a lot about related to this is Tomlin lying about the "knee injury".  That's a pretty bad look (at a minimum) 

Minimize distractions I guess as they needed the win

[Hapless Bills Fan]

9 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

 

So his age is the issue? I mean, realistically any player you trade a pick for is going to be older than the guy you'd draft.

 

Also, what player are you getting at 9 that you feel confident will contribute more to the team for the next 3 years than the combined effort of Brown and the player you pick at 20?

 

Skill players who rely upon quickness and agility do seem to "fall off a cliff" at some point in their early 30s.

 

For me, though, the issue with Brown is not his age, or his salary, it's what's between his ears.

 

Look at what's gone down.  Tomlin has created a freakin' monster.  Brown walks out of practice, skips practice, skips walkthroughs, skips mandatory meetings, and expects to play in the game.  This past Sunday wasn't the first, or the second, or the third time.  Tomlin has been letting him get away with it by some reports since 2015.

 

Now that's on Tomlin for crap leadership and discipline.  But whoever were to trade for or take on Brown, is gonna reap what Tomlin and the Stillers sowed between his ears.

 

The thing about trading AB is unless he renegotiates his contract and gives back some of his signing bonus, the Steelers are really stuck with him.  They've got $28M in cap space before they re-sign anyone or make FA moves.  Cutting or trading AB, they immediately eat $22M in dead cap. 

 

They simply can't do it and contend.  They've got to deal with him somehow.

The Steelers appear to be a Hot Mess.  They're not the Steelers anymore, they've become the "Me"-lers.

 

 

[The Bills Blog]

This is all very fascinating because I told my brother I had a feeling Antonio Brown would be a Bill next year. And then two hours later, all this stuff started coming out and now he's requested a trade. ?

[3rdand12]

My issue is with Brown finding Zen in Buffalo.
needs a Falcons or Saints type of environment imho. Bills need multiple solid threats. at TE and WR and RB really.
not the time to spend for star to top the tree : )

[formerlyofCtown]

13 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

 

Like I asked before: how confident are you that the player you get at 9 will contribute more to this team in the next 3 seasons than Julio?

 

 

Sure, but simply basing it on age isn't a wise approach.

 

He's still one of the 3 best WRs in football every year 

The better question would be how confident are you that we need 3 starting caliber Olinemen, RB, WR, DT, DE, Another TE,  LB to replace Zo when he retires.  Julio doesn't make up for that.  I want a dynast not a 3 year playoff stint where we can't quite get to the big game.

 

I am quite confident that guy may contribute for the next 10 years.

Edited January 1, 2019 by formerlyofCtown

[End The Drought]

Antonio brown is selfish and would be a cancer to the culture here

[Hapless Bills Fan]

22 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

I think that #9 pick is perfectly positioned for Julio Jones though if the Falcons decide they can part with him.

 

I would go with that and how.

 

I also think, given the Steelers committment to Brown and Juju AND Roethlisberger's public dissing of Washington, the Bills should call and offer to take Washington off their hands.  Their QB doesn't like him, he's not working out, let's give him a fresh start

 

22 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

AB may be no worse of an attitude issue than McCoy was when the Bills traded for him

 

Ohno.  Nono.  Way worse.  Way way worse.  McCoy ran his mouth about Kelly, but he never ran out of the locker room at halftime or off of the practice field, or skipped mandatory meetings.  Nothing of that sort.

 

1 minute ago, formerlyofCtown said:

The better question would be how confident are you that we need 3 starting caliber Olinemen, RB, WR, DT, DE, Another TE,  LB to replace Zo when he retires.  Julio doesn't make up for that.  I want a dynast not a 3 year playoff stint where we can't quite get to the big game.

 

This is a fair counterpoint.  We might be better off with a lesser WR and more stout OLmen.

[dabills21]

How did this morph into a trade for AB thread?

 

Pittsburgh is NOT trading him... they have a 2-3 year window of competing for a super bowl, as much drama as AB brings to the Burgh, the Steelers will instead focus on how they can get all their talent to play as a team

[Gugny]

1 minute ago, dabills21 said:

How did this morph into a trade for AB thread?

 

Pittsburgh is NOT trading him... they have a 2-3 year window of competing for a super bowl, as much drama as AB brings to the Burgh, the Steelers will instead focus on how they can get all their talent to play as a team

 

Can you please tell us what Beane will do between now and 2019 OTAs?  I don't feel like waiting months.

[dabills21]

I don't pretend to know everything, but i do know that the Steelers won't trade him.

 

Want to back up your comment with a wager? I'm ready when u are..

 

edit: intended for gugny

Edited January 1, 2019 by dabills21

[Nelius]

1 hour ago, JoPar_v2 said:

 

DeAndre Hopkins, Julio Jones and, well, JuJu at this point. They’re all immensely likeable elite receivers.

 

Add AJ Green for me. I know he's been hurt but he's consistently a top WR and professional. And he choke slammed Jalen Ramsey which has to be worth something.

[Patrick Duffy]

He can request a trade all he wants, but I doubt it will happen. Probably end up being another Bell scenario type situation.

[3rdand12]

Just now, dabills21 said:

I don't pretend to know everything, but i do know that the Steelers won't trade him.

 

Want to back up your comment with a wager? I'm ready when u are....

AB asked for a trade.
and he was called out by Ryan Clark.

 "time to go "
 

will anyone pick up that Contract? thats the question

Just now, Patrick_Duffy said:

He can request a trade all he wants, but I doubt it will happen. Probably end up being another Bell scenario type situation.

and how did that work out for the Steelers ?
peeing in a pot and throwing it out the window kind of fun ?
Steelers and Brown need to figure this out, because it has been ugly over there.

[JoPar_v2]

3 minutes ago, Nelius said:

 

Add AJ Green for me. I know he's been hurt but he's consistently a top WR and professional. And he choke slammed Jalen Ramsey which has to be worth something.

 

Absolutely AJ as well good call. Doesn’t say anything. But Sees bush league defenders doing bush league things; takes their heads off. AJ is the man

[Patrick Duffy]

3 minutes ago, 3rdand12 said:

AB asked for a trade.
and he was called out by Ryan Clark.

 "time to go "
 

will anyone pick up that Contract? thats the question

and how did that work out for the Steelers ?
peeing in a pot and throwing it out the window kind of fun ?
Steelers and Brown need to figure this out, because it has been ugly over there.

Yeah it was ugly, but I just don't see it happening. Both sides will probably be stubborn and something similar would end up happening. We will find out though soon enough.

[thebandit27]

25 minutes ago, formerlyofCtown said:

The better question would be how confident are you that we need 3 starting caliber Olinemen, RB, WR, DT, DE, Another TE,  LB to replace Zo when he retires.  Julio doesn't make up for that.  I want a dynast not a 3 year playoff stint where we can't quite get to the big game.

 

I am quite confident that guy may contribute for the next 10 years.

 

That's not a better question at all. In fact the two issues are almost unrelated.

 

Julio fills one of the biggest needs on the team; one of the ones you yourself listed.

 

I can feel pretty confident that I can find at least 2 starting OLmen in FA. 

 

You have 9 more draft picks to add talent in areas that are very easy to fill like RB, off-ball LB, rotational DT, and TE. In fact, not a single player from

LorAx, Clay, Shady, or Kyle was a high draft pick; 3 of the 4 were post 5th round.

 

 I also have no clue how you can claim to be confident that a 9th overall pick will be a 10-year contributor; just look at the last 10 #9 overall picks--only 3 turned out to be studs.

Edited January 1, 2019 by thebandit27

[klos63]

5 minutes ago, Patrick_Duffy said:

He can request a trade all he wants, but I doubt it will happen. Probably end up being another Bell scenario type situation.

Brown is under contract, Bell was not, big difference.

[Doc Brown]

4 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said:

 

I heard it through the grapevine he'd only count for 7 million against the cap if they trade him after June 1st.  The Bills have no shot in hell, but he still could realistically be traded.  I'm sure the Steelers and him will make amends though.

[dabills21]

Just now, 3rdand12 said:

AB asked for a trade.
and he was called out by Ryan Clark.

 "time to go "
 

will anyone pick up that Contract? thats the question

Again, I'll be willing to wager anyone and everyone that Pittsburgh doesn't trade him.

 

AB said the same thing early in the season...few additional reasons to support my comment:

1. ABs contract is not structured in a team friendly trade or release scenario in 2019

2. Steelers understand that they have a short window to compete for super bowl, until Ben retires...and trading arguably the best WR in the NFL...hmmm

3. as talented as Juju is, he's not ready to be the #1 yet.  Steelers know when to move on from players, and JuJus time will come

4. Trading Brown will be another knock to an organization, that will make them look like they can't manage talented/diva players.  This situation is way different than Lbs, but in 2 years time, they aren't going to strip that much talent from a Super bowl contender

 

I can go on...

[Nanker]

Ben threw a hissy fit last year when the Stealers drafted Mason Rudolph in the 3rd. 

 

He’s a charmer. 

[NewEra]

1 hour ago, HappyDays said:

 

Jordan Phillips was a potential headache. He publicly defied his coach over his snap count. But he loves to play the game. I don't think McDermott minds that attitude as long as the player is talented and devoted to the game. That being said they would need to do their research and make sure Brown's personality would be the right fit here.

We shall see.  I’m sure he could be ours for a 1st

[cle23]

2 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

I heard it through the grapevine he'd only count for 7 million against the cap if they trade him after June 1st.  The Bills have no shot in hell, but he still could realistically be traded.  I'm sure the Steelers and him will make amends though.

 

Yes, but still 14 million next year then. 

[BADOLBILZ]

16 minutes ago, formerlyofCtown said:

I would swap picks and a 3rd for Julio but Im not giving up the 9th overall pick for a WR in that age group.  I would probably give up a Second in a pick swap.  A top 10 pick is very valuable.  We got Two 1st the last time we traded it IIRC.

 

He is 29 years old.  If we were 1 Julio Jones away from being a SB contender I would do it straight up.

 

 

Developing Josh Allen is job #1.

 

Teams like the Chiefs, Rams, Texans, Eagles and Bears are using stud WR's to elevate the game of their raw young QB's.

 

All but the Chiefs were bad teams like the Bills..........and the next year they became surprise contenders.

 

And btw........they better be contenders next season or McBeane got some 'splainin' to do.........no 5 year plans in the modern NFL.

 

 

[Doc Brown]

Just now, cle23 said:

 

Yes, but still 14 million next year then. 

Which is still doable for teams with a lot of cap space the next two years like the Bills and Jets.

[dabills21]

6 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

I heard it through the grapevine he'd only count for 7 million against the cap if they trade him after June 1st.  The Bills have no shot in hell, but he still could realistically be traded.  I'm sure the Steelers and him will make amends though.

That's not true...

 

the information that Andrew Brandt tweeted.is accurate.

 

Steelers previously restructured ABs contract, and 2019 will be difficult to move him off the roster

[cle23]

1 minute ago, Doc Brown said:

Which is still doable for teams with a lot of cap space the next two years like the Bills and Jets.

 

That would be the dead cap space for the Steelers, not the team he would be traded to. And Pittsburgh is always tight on cap room.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 hour ago, H2o said:

For however talented Brown is, he is a "me first" diva whom you will never be able to appease. Someone will make this move still and God knows I pray it's not the Pats. 

 

Unless AB is serious enough about wanting out of Steeltown to give back some of his bonus, the Steelers literally can not afford to trade or cut him.

$22M in dead cap would cripple them next year, with losing a serious talent to boot.