Straight Hucklebuck Posted December 25, 2018 Share Posted December 25, 2018 On 12/24/2018 at 7:18 PM, John from Riverside said: Lol make me roll Yes, I read your write-up, and you did have some criticisms in there. But ultimately you revert back to the Tone-Policeman. McDermott is now 14-17 as Head Coach, with zero wins against New England. Allen has poor stats across the board, except rushing. When I watch Allen, he is playing exactly like his Scouting Reports. Erratic, sometimes brilliant, but its jumbled. I think Beane and McDermott get the chance to execute their plan in 2019, but real winning needs to start. No more moral victories, staying close, watching plays learn. We need influx at Offensive Line, Tight End, a new running back (s) - someone who can run faster than 4.50, a couple new WRs, then depth across the entire defense. We could really use a dynamic DE (Murphy will never be the same after his knee), more playmakers like Milano at Linebacker, and another lengthy corner because we are playing street free agents now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted December 25, 2018 Share Posted December 25, 2018 Thats not a merry gentleman resting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boca BIlls Posted December 25, 2018 Share Posted December 25, 2018 (edited) 2 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: Lol do you EVER contribute anything? Still waiting for you to contribute something. I have contributed plenty which is why you keep responding. If I wasn't contributing you wouldnt have quoted me so many times. Your own ***** fault. Edited December 25, 2018 by Boca BIlls Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight Hucklebuck Posted December 25, 2018 Share Posted December 25, 2018 1 minute ago, John from Riverside said: First of all when an idiot is an idiot they deserve to be called a. Idiot second agree next year is a prove it year no excuses but the premise that a full rebuild should only take one year is beyond idiotic Next year we should start seeing results. McDermott and Beane have purged the roster, have their QB, have the money and draft picks, we have Coaching continuity, we have a veteran backup. We need to be scoring over 20 ppg next season and should be pushing for 10 wins. Also, none of the teams in our division are trending up. The Jets will have a new Coaching staff, the Dolphins are stuck in the Tannehill conundrum, and Tom Brady turns 42 next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenyellowred Posted December 25, 2018 Share Posted December 25, 2018 5 hours ago, H2o said: Again with all of the p***ing and moaning threads all over I just wanted to remind everyone this is really the first year of a rebuild. Post fail. It is the second year of the rebuild. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted December 25, 2018 Share Posted December 25, 2018 It’s a surfboard of optimism we ride subject to getting knocked ass over teakettle in an instant which is a very good thing after the last 20 years 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrbojanglezs Posted December 25, 2018 Share Posted December 25, 2018 Coaches get a 3 year minimum from me. Next year is the evaluation year for McDermott, he doesn't get a freebie from me next year. I need at least 8 wins and big signs of growth for him to be here for a 4th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted December 25, 2018 Share Posted December 25, 2018 34 minutes ago, 87168 said: ohhh the irony. What exactly is the irony here 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted December 25, 2018 Share Posted December 25, 2018 5 minutes ago, Boca BIlls said: Still making more sense then these fools. Except you don’t......ever 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boca BIlls Posted December 25, 2018 Share Posted December 25, 2018 12 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: Except you don’t......ever You saying that means nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing Bong Posted December 25, 2018 Share Posted December 25, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, ScottLaw said: Several people did predict this, but there were many others who suggested the offense "couldn't be much worse" or it "can't get worse than Tyrod so the team should be right where they were last year." ? Can't get worse than Tyrod.. my favorite slogan going into this year. I saw Peterman. I saw us name him the starter. We were about to find out right quick how much worse it can get. Heck we already saw it Chargers game. Can't get worse than Tyrod is the dumbest thing that was said as much as it was I've ever seen around here. It's been far worse before and after. Can't get worse than Peterman ? Maaaaybe I'll buy that. Until McDermott finds another poor kid he has undying faith in to throw into the fire countless times for no reason. Edited December 25, 2018 by BarkleyForGOATBackupPT5P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted December 25, 2018 Share Posted December 25, 2018 (edited) 4 hours ago, pop gun said: I can only think of 3 didn't really have running games that were somewhat successful. Marino, Moon and Brady to a degree. Sounds about right. Pretty high standard to hold your rookie to. . Edited December 25, 2018 by Augie 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trogdor Posted December 25, 2018 Share Posted December 25, 2018 6 hours ago, pop gun said: This, and for those to think the Bills will get home runs on every FA and Draft pick next year is completely comical but some fans think that will happen without a doubt. I think the Star pickup is telling. Their pro-scouting so far has been lacking. Good O linemen also don't become available often. The fact that people think that's how they will rebuild the line is laughable. The Glenn trade looks worse each week. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted December 25, 2018 Share Posted December 25, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, hondo in seattle said: You make it sound like Beane has a track record of wasting picks. He's been in charge of one draft. While the Bills have been rebuilding for decades, the current GM and HC have only a short time in their positions. Here's what Beane's accomplished so far in his short time with us. #2 defense in the NFL. #3 most cap space in 2019 #1 most cap space in 2020 10 draft picks in 2019 This year we had the lowest active roster spending in the NFL. Beane had exceptionally little money to spend on free agency by - as much as possible - taking hits this year to free up cap space for the future. So this season McD had a talent-poor roster to work with and never had a fighting chance. This year was all about making 2019 and 2020 good years. Let's see what Beane and McD do next year before judging them on a plan that was never designed to produce a lot of wins in 2018. $100 million in cap space and 10 picks in the draft can fill a lot of the holes you mention. And no team is entirely without holes. Having the most or second most cap space is not an accomplishment. Using that cap space and signing quality players that help build a consistent winner is. Any moron GM can create cap space by cutting a bunch of players. That’s the easy part. Also, there are several other teams with plenty of cap space as well. I wouldn’t count on it being our saving grace. Edited December 25, 2018 by Bangarang 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted December 25, 2018 Author Share Posted December 25, 2018 1 hour ago, greenyellowred said: Post fail. It is the second year of the rebuild. Comprehension fail. This offseason is when they went all in on the rebuild. Last year was shedding the dead weight to get draft picks and clear cap for 2019 by taking the hit this year. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted December 25, 2018 Share Posted December 25, 2018 MERRY CHRISTMAS, everyone!!! ? 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JOE IN HAMPTON ROADS Posted December 25, 2018 Share Posted December 25, 2018 11 minutes ago, H2o said: Comprehension fail. This offseason is when they went all in on the rebuild. Last year was shedding the dead weight to get draft picks and clear cap for 2019 by taking the hit this year. Yes. Last year they had to prove competence to Pegs and fans and ditch the curse. There was tremendous pressure to get to the playoffs. Also Beane and scouts were not in place for the draft and barely for FA. They could not have had a rebuild plan ready with owner buy-in much before Sep. Last year was NOT the first year of the rebuild. 29 minutes ago, Augie said: MERRY CHRISTMAS, everyone!!! ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted December 25, 2018 Share Posted December 25, 2018 We will see how good of a GM Beanie is after this year. A bad draft and FA and we are looking at the start of another 20 year playoff blunder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted December 25, 2018 Share Posted December 25, 2018 (edited) 11 hours ago, Bangarang said: Having the most or second most cap space is not an accomplishment. Using that cap space and signing quality players that help build a consistent winner is. Any moron GM can create cap space by cutting a bunch of players. That’s the easy part. Also, there are several other teams with plenty of cap space as well. I wouldn’t count on it being our saving grace. Newsflash. You have to do step 1 to do step 2. Step 1 has been accomplished now they have to do the more difficult part, choosing the players. Here is a novel idea, how about you wait to Bich and moan until after they made their choices. Edited December 25, 2018 by Magox 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Posted December 25, 2018 Share Posted December 25, 2018 (edited) 18 hours ago, H2o said: Again with all of the p***ing and moaning threads all over I just wanted to remind everyone this is really the first year of a rebuild. It's all this player sucks, we whiffed on this person or that person, we should have done this, we should have done that, this coach, that coach, the GM sucks, fire someone, fire everyone, it makes this board hard to read anymore. We lost 2 good OL'man and traded away another for whatever reasons they had. We have a rookie QB without much help, but has still basically been the entire offense this year. We have a rag-tag group of WR's who have not done much to help said rookie QB. No running game. A defense that isn't having the same good fortune as last year. You can post your QB ratings and think it proves something, blame coaching, who we signed, who we didn't sign, blame the GM, whatever. We have a young team at many key positions right now, a FA period with $90,000,000 to spend, and 10 draft picks coming up in 2019. If this was the end of next year I would understand, but it's not. I hope Santa brings you guys some Preparation H and a 3 pack of Puffs with lotion for Christmas. The "rebuild" started the moment the Bills decided to trade the pick that they could have used to pick Mahomes . . . and not bring back (or even attempt to bring back) actual NFL receivers such as Woods, Goodwin, and Sammy. By "rebuild" I mean creating the McCoach and McBeane vision of the team. They made certain choices. We shall see how they pan out. Edited December 25, 2018 by Peter 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted December 25, 2018 Share Posted December 25, 2018 13 hours ago, BarkleyForGOATBackupPT5P said: Can't get worse than Tyrod.. my favorite slogan going into this year. I saw Peterman. I saw us name him the starter. We were about to find out right quick how much worse it can get. Heck we already saw it Chargers game. Can't get worse than Tyrod is the dumbest thing that was said as much as it was I've ever seen around here. It's been far worse before and after. Can't get worse than Peterman ? Maaaaybe I'll buy that. Until McDermott finds another poor kid he has undying faith in to throw into the fire countless times for no reason. Some on here were trumpeting the greatness of Derek Anderson and how he was going to dominate out there..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
without a drought Posted December 25, 2018 Share Posted December 25, 2018 When is it going to be the last year of the rebuild? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing Bong Posted December 25, 2018 Share Posted December 25, 2018 (edited) 56 minutes ago, The Drought said: When is it going to be the last year of the rebuild? Merry Christmas Drought! Great question! I'm dying to know too. Edited December 25, 2018 by BarkleyForGOATBackupPT5P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted December 25, 2018 Share Posted December 25, 2018 1 hour ago, The Drought said: When is it going to be the last year of the rebuild? If you tell yourself your team is a champion, it is one. isn’t that what the kids are taught these days? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenyellowred Posted December 25, 2018 Share Posted December 25, 2018 (edited) 15 hours ago, H2o said: Comprehension fail. This offseason is when they went all in on the rebuild. Last year was shedding the dead weight to get draft picks and clear cap for 2019 by taking the hit this year. Wrong! Shredding the dead weight = rebuild year 1. And if you are not on the bandwagon, feel free to defect and support another team. Thing are looking great for the future, but all you do in your posts is p*ss and moan. Edited December 25, 2018 by greenyellowred Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted December 25, 2018 Share Posted December 25, 2018 15 hours ago, Trogdor said: I think the Star pickup is telling. Their pro-scouting so far has been lacking. Good O linemen also don't become available often. The fact that people think that's how they will rebuild the line is laughable. Look around the league. There are a lot of absolutely awful offensive lines. The Bills’ line is actually about average. There are guys starting through the league who have no business playing pro football. Good FA o-linemen are going to be very hard to sign, if they hit the market at all. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted December 25, 2018 Share Posted December 25, 2018 3 minutes ago, mannc said: Look around the league. There are a lot of absolutely awful offensive lines. The Bills’ line is actually about average. There are guys starting through the league who have no business playing pro football. Good FA o-linemen are going to be very hard to sign, if they hit the market at all. I’ll agree that finding good FA O linemen is a tough ask. The Bills current line isn’t close to average though. It’s bottom five easily. They cannot run block at all. Some of that is coaching, but they’ve got little talent among that group. The quality of line play around the league has deteriorated in the last 10 years or so. The Bills are scraping the barrel right now, just seeing if they have a few guys they can keep for 2019. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Socal-805 Posted December 25, 2018 Share Posted December 25, 2018 Actually, going into year # 3 of the rebuild: 1 No O-line. 2. NO QB. 3. No receivers. Final year for McCoy and Clay ( Clay should just retire) Oh yeah: New England just put up 275 yards rushing against the "rebuilt" defense. 40 minutes ago, mannc said: Look around the league. There are a lot of absolutely awful offensive lines. The Bills’ line is actually about average. There are guys starting through the league who have no business playing pro football. Good FA o-linemen are going to be very hard to sign, if they hit the market at all. They are NOT even close to average. Read some articles and evaluations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted December 25, 2018 Share Posted December 25, 2018 15 minutes ago, Socal-805 said: Actually, going into year # 3 of the rebuild: 1 No O-line. 2. NO QB. 3. No receivers. Final year for McCoy and Clay ( Clay should just retire) Oh yeah: New England just put up 275 yards rushing against the "rebuilt" defense. They are NOT even close to average. Read some articles and evaluations. No, half the board insists this is a playoff team next year, not a smidgen of doubt LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Socal-805 Posted December 25, 2018 Share Posted December 25, 2018 1 minute ago, row_33 said: No, half the board insists this is a playoff team next year, not a smidgen of doubt LOL Right. When DOESN"T 1/2 the board think NEXT year is a playoff team: Next year rarely comes my friend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted December 25, 2018 Share Posted December 25, 2018 The pass pro has been only below average. Run blocking sucks. I've seen worse units. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted December 25, 2018 Share Posted December 25, 2018 7 minutes ago, row_33 said: No, half the board insists this is a playoff team next year, not a smidgen of doubt LOL I don’t pretend to have a smidgen of a clue..... I’m guessing next year in the 4-12 win range. ? But don’t hold me to that! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing Bong Posted December 25, 2018 Share Posted December 25, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, LSHMEAB said: The pass pro has been only below average. Run blocking sucks. I've seen worse units. I'll go on a limb that reminding us this is a rebuilding year and stressing that's why we suck is extremely patronizing. Am I not aware we are trying to get better. Am I not aware we suck. Can I not be critical about this if we don't get better? Merry Christmas! Edited December 25, 2018 by BarkleyForGOATBackupPT5P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted December 25, 2018 Share Posted December 25, 2018 2 minutes ago, BarkleyForGOATBackupPT5P said: I'll go on a limb that reminding us this is a rebuilding year and stressing that's why we suck is extremely patronizing. Am I not aware we are trying to get better. Am I not aware we suck. Can I not be critical about this if we don't get better? Merry Christmas! No. You must believe all Process related material lest ye be castigated you Bills hating basement dwelling stats geek. All you seem to care about is RESULTS. You don't seem to want to understand my rationalization for those results. So shame on you! I really can't understand the people that want to see the Bills win now when being awful is the ultimate goal. Merry Christmas. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaoulDuke79 Posted December 25, 2018 Share Posted December 25, 2018 3 hours ago, row_33 said: No, half the board insists this is a playoff team next year, not a smidgen of doubt LOL Well as long as the other half are convinced we will always suck, then at least there's perfect harmony and all is right with the world m 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boca BIlls Posted December 25, 2018 Share Posted December 25, 2018 (edited) 41 minutes ago, RaoulDuke79 said: Well as long as the other half are convinced we will always suck, then at least there's perfect harmony and all is right with the world m That is exaclty the thing that makes the internet work. Edited December 25, 2018 by Boca BIlls Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iinii Posted December 26, 2018 Share Posted December 26, 2018 On 12/24/2018 at 4:53 PM, CodeMonkey said: Sadly, draft position is not a guarantee of success. It is possible that he grows into it. He has the size, arm strength, and seemingly the work ethic. Like I said, we'll see. Why can’t people understand that? It would be far from the first time someone has missed on a draft pick and far from the last. Allen can throw it a mile and run for one too, but it is a little early to order his bust for Canton. Who wouldn’t like to see Allen be the next GOAT? It would be sweet to be perennially in the mix with superb play on both sides of the ball or all three phases of the game. Until then....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted December 26, 2018 Share Posted December 26, 2018 5 hours ago, Socal-805 said: Right. When DOESN"T 1/2 the board think NEXT year is a playoff team: Next year rarely comes my friend. I will accept the good and the bad that happens next year not a dollar will be wagered on them straight up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dayman Posted December 26, 2018 Share Posted December 26, 2018 4 minutes ago, row_33 said: I will accept the good and the bad that happens next year not a dollar will be wagered on them straight up Once they get blown out 2 or 3 games in a row and play an average team straight up is good money for the Bills tbh 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted December 26, 2018 Author Share Posted December 26, 2018 11 hours ago, greenyellowred said: Wrong! Shredding the dead weight = rebuild year 1. And if you are not on the bandwagon, feel free to defect and support another team. Thing are looking great for the future, but all you do in your posts is p*ss and moan. What tare you talking about? About the Bills? Year one they shed the dead weight in 3 players (Watkins, Darby, and Dareus) while adding draftpicks(along with adding KB, Matthews, and Gaines). Clearly not the gutting we saw this past offseason due to letting players walk along with the untimely losses of two key starters on the OL. They then kept the rest of the team intact in 2017 and rode the wave of the inspired defensive play, along with a timely Andy Dalton TD pass, into the playoffs. It was not the overhaul you see in a rebuild like you saw in 2018 after they evaluated what they had in 2017. 2017 was e v a l and 2018 began the rebuild. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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