Dr.Sack Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 74mph with a football is off the charts. I believe the next closest speed was Jamarcus Russell at around 69 mph. This is why he is rarely intercepted as the ball if it comes out clean with a good step forward is impossible for a corner to turn and locate. Nate Peterman would be a top NFL QB with that arm. If Allen can learn short to medium touch accuracy he will be deadly. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrbojanglezs Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 Allen's biggest challenge will be to learn how to throttle down his arm strength and throw at 70% most times for more consistency. He will only have to let it rip on some intermediate/long distance throws. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 21 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: Re watch his 40 attempt. he is clearly dogging it and going 70% at best... he is not trying and runs like a robot he runs nothing like that Again, yes. He is running to not get hurt and knows he can run a good time for a QB at that speed. What I'd like to see is him run a 40-yard legitimately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 2 minutes ago, Doc said: Again, yes. He is running to not get hurt and knows he can run a good time for a QB at that speed. What I'd like to see is him run a 40-yard legitimately. Watch him run 40 yards the other day lol he will obviously be in the 4.5 area probably low end... he can cook! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 1 minute ago, Buffalo716 said: Watch him run 40 yards the other day lol he will obviously be in the 4.5 area probably low end... he can cook! I'd say 4.4's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 1 hour ago, cba fan said: I do not believe you can run faster with the ball in your hands as you have one less full arm swing. All things being equal. I have personally run down guys running with the ball who are faster then me running as fast as they can and I gain on them because I can swing hard with out holding a ball. A lot of times it happens when a defender has a better angle but not always. I don't refute your post. The X factors here are current real time game fatigue, conditioning, competitive urge, player trying to outrun a defender, adrenaline pumping, game excitement etc etc...… then you will run faster. But I bet those defenders having the same factors also run faster then normal. Very interesting. Maybe the ball doesn’t make you faster....but the scary people chasing you provide extra motivation??? ? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 4 minutes ago, Doc said: I'd say 4.4's. That’s a tough one. He has a big frame to get going but once he does he is cooking he doesn’t have the frame of Vick or RG3 who were super quick and fast maybe a 4.49 but is he as fast as Fournette? I will say not quite. He is as amazing athlete and can do amazing things on the field 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrtonHearsaWho Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 8 hours ago, Chandler#81 said: This. I really don’t understand those who are saying velocity doesn’t matter. I’m gonna send you all the recently released NFL Films presentation; Nathan Peterman’s NFL Career passes. Yes, the 75 yard TD strike with 3 behemoths crushing him is velocity. Can it be further developed and smoothed out? Of course - and it’s far more likely than developing a power arm. This was the 21 year old’s 7th game situation. His arm isn’t the only attribute he’s oozing strength from. He’s tough as nails, FAST and loves competing. Count me among the impressed and with big expectations. The comparison to Peterman is one of the first things that I think of when anyone mentions JA's arm strength. I would cringe anytime Peterman would throw an out route because it would take about 3 days to reach the receiver. There have been a ton of otherwise meaningless throws that Allen has made when the arm strength stand out...doesn't have to be throwing it 60+ yards in the air. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 10 hours ago, NewDayBills said: 90% of the time he won't even need all that juice, but in situations like that bomb to Foster yesterday where he was being brought down by 3 defenders and with just a flick of his wrist he connects on a 75 yard bomb, it certainly helps. He needs to work on touch and finesse more than anything though and his completion % will go up. actually Take a look at the intermediate throws he made yesterday......the majority of them on a frozen rope to a receiver and getting called back because of penalties You want know how to have a low interception rate? Be able to throw like Josh Allen does and have receivers on the other end with the hands to catch it.......why? because corners give cushion and then close on plays......and when the ball is to the receiver THAT quick it is nearly impossible for the corner to break and make a play on the ball.....so all they can do is make the tackle....if you actually have quality targets the ball is getting there so fast that they can turn upfield even if they are well covered...... We have seen SEVERAL of those thrown by Josh Allen 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billykay Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 2 hours ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said: But unlike most recent Bills QBs, he'll make the throw, as opposed to throwing it 3 yards past the line of scrimmage, counting on the receiver to make the first down. My favorite play call was the 3rd & 26 when we threw it a ton. I'm getting tired of OC's calling runs in that situation. Ya might get a penalty. Ya never know. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 1 minute ago, billykay said: My favorite play call was the 3rd & 26 when we threw it a ton. I'm getting tired of OC's calling runs in that situation. Ya might get a penalty. Ya never know. I bet there is some kind of stat out there that shows throws on 3rd and long tend to have the highest interception rates......probably based on the pass rush the D puts on and the QB trying to make a play...... Josh Allen is ALWAYS going to have that gunslinger mentality.....they need to work the hero ball out of him a little bit actually and i am a big fan of his saying that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 6 hours ago, Shaw66 said: If you're a skeptic, I'm telling you it's time to get over it. Just look at his throws. Look at his his poise and his pocket presence. The hit he took during the Foster bomb was during the throw. How that ball traveled as far as it did is astonishing. This oline better start protecting him like the precious jewel he is. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffalo2218 Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 The thing I find ironic is that those saying Allen’s velocity doesn’t mean anything but Peterman’s lack of velocity basically defined how bad he was. I don’t get it 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SomeDudeAtHome Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 I love watching him throw the ball. How effortless he can make the absolute rockets he throws is unbelievable. While the WR core is terrible I'd bet the velocity on his throws makes them harder to hand catch than anything they were used to in the past. Reminds me of an interview I saw or receivers that played with Brett Farve and how they would count the number of fingers of there's he broke or sprained. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 1 hour ago, Buffalo716 said: That’s a tough one. He has a big frame to get going but once he does he is cooking he doesn’t have the frame of Vick or RG3 who were super quick and fast maybe a 4.49 but is he as fast as Fournette? I will say not quite. He is as amazing athlete and can do amazing things on the field Again in that Vikings game, he ran 10 yards and got up to 20.6 MPH (3.88 40-yard). I think 4.4s is possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 4 minutes ago, Doc said: Again in that Vikings game, he ran 10 yards and got up to 20.6 MPH (3.88 40-yard). I think 4.4s is possible. If he was running like this ppl would say that he has Cam like running ability. I honestly think that a better comparison for him is Ben R. when he was young. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 Just now, John from Riverside said: If he was running like this ppl would say that he has Cam like running ability. I honestly think that a better comparison for him is Ben R. when he was young. Big Ben was not even in the same area code as a scrambler. Other areas, yeah, I'd agree with the comp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 1 minute ago, Doc said: Again in that Vikings game, he ran 10 yards and got up to 20.6 MPH (3.88 40-yard). I think 4.4s is possible. That is if you can sustain that speed... also ADRENALINE In a live game is unlike anything When you have grown men chasing you... you run I don’t doubt he’d be close to the 4.4s I ran track and played ball at a high level and the adrenaline of a football game made me fly like I just couldn’t replicate on the track im a smaller guy and when I had the rock I was running a 4.39 fourty all day because the adrenaline But when I ran a fourty in shorts and a Tee I was a 4.44- 4.46. Coaches always said My 40 didn’t match my game speed idk lol Josh certainly can run a 4.4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 Whatever the case may be, he's plenty fast enough. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WideNine Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 59 minutes ago, Doc said: Big Ben was not even in the same area code as a scrambler. Other areas, yeah, I'd agree with the comp. This. Big Ben did not have elite speed as a QB, it was just the fact that he could wade through guys trying to wrap him up and easily break through arm tackles. Like watching wolves try to take down a bull moose. That, and even with defenders hanging all over him, he could still deliver the ball. It is Josh's ability to break arm tackles and deliver the ball with guys on him that gives me flashbacks, but he has a long way to go still and if OBD can keep him upright it could actually be fun to watch a Bills QB again. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinky finger Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 Haven't heard from the detractors. hmmmm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 14 hours ago, Utah John said: Let's just hope the rest of his game continues to develop. He's doing OK this year, no question about it, but there's a lot of improvement needed as he goes forward. He could turn into something really special. Especially with his running ability and that cannon of an arm , he can be an absolute beast in this league . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerJ Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 (edited) I believe Josh Allen has one of the strongest arms ever in the NFL, but I wonder how far back the technology goes to be able to accurately test that, and if every possible contender has been tested. I am optimistic that Allen has a very high ceiling, and I am excited to watch him progress on his learning curve. Edited November 27, 2018 by TigerJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 12 hours ago, Doc said: What's equally impressive is his foot speed. As I mentioned in another thread, he hit 20 MPH on his 45-yard run yesterday. I suppose it's to be expected. He must be related to Barry Allen. Good genetics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 2 hours ago, Doc said: Whatever the case may be, he's plenty fast enough. He’s not just QB fast... he is NFL fast 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted November 27, 2018 Author Share Posted November 27, 2018 2 hours ago, John from Riverside said: If he was running like this ppl would say that he has Cam like running ability. I honestly think that a better comparison for him is Ben R. when he was young. He DOES have Cam like ability...Newton's top speed was also 20.6 MPH and he has been clocked at 20+ MPH 4 times since 2015. Allen already has been clocked over 20 MPH twice in 7 games. Roethlesberger has wet dreams about being as fast as Allen is. 6 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: He’s not just QB fast... he is NFL fast As you see everytime he pulls away from LBs who ran faster 40 times... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longtimebillsfan Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 16 hours ago, Utah John said: Let's just hope the rest of his game continues to develop. He's doing OK this year, no question about it, but there's a lot of improvement needed as he goes forward. He could turn into something really special. Please give him some time to develop. He is a true student of the game. He made the most of his time on the sidelines. He will be ok. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 I think Allen can be a 4,000 yard passer. Think he can throw for 27-28 TDs IF we upgrade our skill positions and OL. He needs a pass catching RB and as good of a WR you can find in FA. Guys that can take 1yd throws and convert them into 1st downs, easy throws, easy completions and easy yards. Rack up stats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FeelingOnYouboty Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 6'5, 235, great mobility and one of the best arms of all time. He's a freak. Just needs to do the little things better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 Doug Williams will always be the strongest arm to me, with the Bucs he was overthrowing by 20 yards constantly. And then one Super Bowl... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay_Fixit Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 On 11/26/2018 at 3:18 AM, njbuff said: 74 mph doesn't mean a darn thing when you have to convert a 3rd and 7 to keep drives alive. And I don't just mean running for first downs. If Allen can channel that, then the sky's the limit. He does. They just get called back due to penalties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 You're all just lucky science was never there to gauge Uncle Rico's efforts. Maybe the bunch at the radar analysis place should get a copy of 'Napoleon Dynamite' and see what Rico was throwing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formerly Allan in MD Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 Keep loading the cannon fella. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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