If Derek Anderson and this defense begin to win games.....?

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

You start your best guy- This shouldn’t a sports camp or clinic they are running here 

[kkim0904]

Lets assume we win next 4 games (including against NE) and our record is 6-4, do we really want to go back to Allen this year who throws 150 yd per game.  As long as we are winning, i will be #1 fan of Anderson.  However, that is highly unlikely so we don't need to worry.

[frostbitmic]

7 minutes ago, kkim0904 said:

Lets assume we win next 4 games (including against NE) and our record is 6-4, do we really want to go back to Allen this year who throws 150 yd per game.  As long as we are winning, i will be #1 fan of Anderson.  However, that is highly unlikely so we don't need to worry.

When you assume you ....

 

win the next 4 games ? LMFAO

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

I think it is an easy decision that Anderson will remain the starter if we win a couple games with him and he looks competent. But if we win games in spite of Anderson we might go back to Allen. 

 

Hoping Anderson capitalizes off of the defenses turnovers is asking a lot I think. Let's start with him just not turning the ball over himself. Four picks in his last two starts two seasons ago. 

[transient]

...in the OP’s scenario I envision that I’d wake up because I have to pee just as Hauschka’s game winning FG is about to split the uprights to end SB LIII. 

[cba fan]

21 minutes ago, frostbitmic said:

When you assume you ....

 

win the next 4 games ? LMFAO

that's why he said.   "However, that is highly unlikely so we don't need to worry."

Edited October 19, 2018 by cba fan

[Fadingpain]

4 hours ago, CuddyDark said:

Why do people have faith in a career backup?

Who's 57 years old.

 

And never achieved anything when he was young.

 

Answer: Because they're Bills fans.  That's what we do.

 

If we didn't have hope and faith, we'd have very little.

 

Edited October 19, 2018 by Fadingpain

[LABILLBACKER]

2 hours ago, zow2 said:

Maybe I'm in the minority.  I don't feel that DA is going to play all that well.  Maybe a slight increase in offensive production but not much.  And who knows if he will be a turnover machine or not.  Hope he exceeds my expectations.

It won't matter whether Anderson or Allen are in there. We still have the worst wr's in the NFL.  And the defense will eventually get demoralized.  Play Anderson the rest of the year,  regardless of whether you think we can win or not.  Let Josh learn from the sidelines. 

[hondo in seattle]

2 hours ago, zow2 said:

Maybe I'm in the minority.  I don't feel that DA is going to play all that well.  Maybe a slight increase in offensive production but not much.  And who knows if he will be a turnover machine or not.  Hope he exceeds my expectations.

 

DA has a career passer rating above 70.  NP has a career passer rating below 30.  I think the positivity around DA is relative.  

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

48 minutes ago, frostbitmic said:

When you assume you ....

 

win the next 4 games ? LMFAO

 

...sounds like "Happy Hour" started WAAAAAAAAAY too early bud............

[Chicken Boo]

Then you sit Allen until Anderson becomes unbearable to watch.

 

He shouldn't be starting this season anyway.

[Guest Mike147]

5 hours ago, Rebel101 said:

This the statement. What do you think the Buffalo Bills should do. But also what do you think the Buffalo Bills will do. I think with our defense and a veteran QB the team has a chance to succeed. I believe Anderson will capitalize off turnovers and win us a few games. It is a tough spot though because you have already started developing Josh Allen. I believe the Bills FO has to put his development as the top priority. So should he sit and learn and how how a QB can succeed in this league? Or should they put him back out there and let him take his lumps? I believe Anderson should play as long as he can if he is winning. But I also believe the Bills will put Allen back in no matter what the outcome is of Anderson’s run as a starter.

 

Derek Anderson has never proven to be an NFL quality starting quarterback in his career to date. He had one decent(ish) year but even that wasn't particularly great considering the stat line he posted. If the guy steps in and wins a few games, good on him, but all that proves is that all we need is a quarterback that can move the chains and get the offense going. All it shows is that the front office potentially made the wrong decision in getting rid of Tyrod Taylor because despite his shortcomings we did make it to the play offs with his style of play combined with good defense. 

 

Will sitting on the bench teach Josh Allen to be an accurate quarterback? I doubt it. We drafted a mid-50s PCT guy and that is going to be difficult for him to improve on in the NFL. We might have to accept a similar PCT to someone like Cam Newton (generally sub-60), but you can win with that as Cam Newton has shown, Allen just needs to make use of his arm talent and athletic ability. Sitting Allen isn't going to help significantly, what will is being out there with a better supporting cast and learning the ropes first hand. At the end of the day being accurate is great but as a friend highlighted to me the other day (he's a Broncos fan), John Elway only completed three seasons with a pass completion above 60 in his career, and that guy is in the hall of fame and won two out of five Super Bowl appearances. Granted different era but with the right supporting cast we can have success with Allen even though he's unlikely to become one of the more accurate quarterbacks in the league. 

[offsides#76FredSmerlas]

5 hours ago, Rebel101 said:

This the statement. What do you think the Buffalo Bills should do. But also what do you think the Buffalo Bills will do. I think with our defense and a veteran QB the team has a chance to succeed. I believe Anderson will capitalize off turnovers and win us a few games. It is a tough spot though because you have already started developing Josh Allen. I believe the Bills FO has to put his development as the top priority. So should he sit and learn and how how a QB can succeed in this league? Or should they put him back out there and let him take his lumps? I believe Anderson should play as long as he can if he is winning. But I also believe the Bills will put Allen back in no matter what the outcome is of Anderson’s run as a starter.

If Anderson beats the Colts and somehow gets a win over the Patriots he will not be taking out.  I don't see this happening but if this long shot occurs then Allen IMO will not be put back in right away.  

51 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

It won't matter whether Anderson or Allen are in there. We still have the worst wr's in the NFL.  And the defense will eventually get demoralized.  Play Anderson the rest of the year,  regardless of whether you think we can win or not.  Let Josh learn from the sidelines. 

My guess is our bad wide receivers look a lot better this week.  I remember our offensive line years ago looked horrible and Rob Johnson got sacked a billion times.  Then Flutie comes in an our line looks very good because Flutie knew how to throw on time and didn't hold the ball.  

[Patrick Duffy]

1 hour ago, offsides#76FredSmerlas said:

If Anderson beats the Colts and somehow gets a win over the Patriots he will not be taking out.  I don't see this happening but if this long shot occurs then Allen IMO will not be put back in right away.  

My guess is our bad wide receivers look a lot better this week.  I remember our offensive line years ago looked horrible and Rob Johnson got sacked a billion times.  Then Flutie comes in an our line looks very good because Flutie knew how to throw on time and didn't hold the ball.  

 

Idon't necessarily agree with the bolded. Flutie could escape pressure very well, however, IMO he did have a better ball when he was passing and seemed to be on target a little more. When you can escape pressure your line looks "better" and Flutie was one of the masters at it.

 

But I yes, I do think Flutie was overall a better QB than Johnson by a long shot.

[Beast]

12 year career.

 

60 TD’s

 

60 INT’s

 

In one year he had half of those TD passes. 10 years ago.

 

Remind me again why anyone expects this guy to be any good? Or even remotely servicible?

 

The most likely outcome is that he is real bad and the Bills are stuck with him until Allen returns.

 

 

[Fadingpain]

8 minutes ago, Binghamton Beast said:

12 year career.

 

60 TD’s

 

60 INT’s

 

In one year he had half of those TD passes. 10 years ago.

 

Remind me again why anyone expects this guy to be any good? Or even remotely servicible?

 

The most likely outcome is that he is real bad and the Bills are stuck with him until Allen returns.

 

 

Or until McDimwit puts in his love child, Nate, again.

 

You know it's coming, one way or the other.  

Edited October 19, 2018 by Fadingpain

[ngbills]

22 minutes ago, Binghamton Beast said:

12 year career.

 

60 TD’s

 

60 INT’s

 

In one year he had half of those TD passes. 10 years ago.

 

Remind me again why anyone expects this guy to be any good? Or even remotely servicible?

 

The most likely outcome is that he is real bad and the Bills are stuck with him until Allen returns.

 

 

McD knows him. 

[LSHMEAB]

1 hour ago, Mike147 said:

 

Derek Anderson has never proven to be an NFL quality starting quarterback in his career to date. He had one decent(ish) year but even that wasn't particularly great considering the stat line he posted. If the guy steps in and wins a few games, good on him, but all that proves is that all we need is a quarterback that can move the chains and get the offense going. All it shows is that the front office potentially made the wrong decision in getting rid of Tyrod Taylor because despite his shortcomings we did make it to the play offs with his style of play combined with good defense. 

 

Will sitting on the bench teach Josh Allen to be an accurate quarterback? I doubt it. We drafted a mid-50s PCT guy and that is going to be difficult for him to improve on in the NFL. We might have to accept a similar PCT to someone like Cam Newton (generally sub-60), but you can win with that as Cam Newton has shown, Allen just needs to make use of his arm talent and athletic ability. Sitting Allen isn't going to help significantly, what will is being out there with a better supporting cast and learning the ropes first hand. At the end of the day being accurate is great but as a friend highlighted to me the other day (he's a Broncos fan), John Elway only completed three seasons with a pass completion above 60 in his career, and that guy is in the hall of fame and won two out of five Super Bowl appearances. Granted different era but with the right supporting cast we can have success with Allen even though he's unlikely to become one of the more accurate quarterbacks in the league. 

You should really be Josh Allen's PR guy.

 

This post allowed me to entertain the possibility that Allen could eventually be an effective NFL QB.

 

Well done.

[John from Riverside]

The question is if the team looks good with the vet in there do you forget about a top 5 pick and make trades that make the team better this year

 

for instance the wr from the raiders and Hassan reddick

[Adam727]

The Bills are already 2-4 with two games left against NE.  Derek Anderson is not good enough to go 7-1 or 8-0 in the remaining games.  (I don't even think he's good enough to go 4-4 in those remaining games but this what-if scenario assumes he is winning games)  But either way playoffs are likely off the table.  

 

What I'd like to see happen is to put Allen back in there as soon as it is safe to do so.   What I think will actually happen is if DA has this team at 4-5 or 5-4 heading into the bye that McD will keep him as the starter out of respect to the rest of the players on the roster.   

 

If Anderson has some unlikely late career transformation and has the team 6-4 heading into the bye I would probably have to change my opinion though. 

 

 

[Iron Maiden]

DA is not going to look good IMO.....I get the " hopefully, he can hold down the fort " thinking, but nothing really in his past indicates that he'll bring a spark to our offense...and, it's not like our awful Oline is suddenly going to play like the 90's Cowboys.....We're @Indy , hosting NE and then the Bears....whatever record you thought we'd have after those 3 games, stick with it...Derek Anderson doesn't change anything.....

[Straight Hucklebuck]

As much as I wouldn’t like it for Allen, you would have to leave Anderson in there.

 

Bills could then say:

1. We’re winning now

 

2. Allen is developing by watching a veteran and that was the original plan

 

3. It would take the Peterman stink off Beane/McDermott

[formerlyofCtown]

10 hours ago, SoTier said:

Seriously dude, after the Bills play the Colts, they face NE, Chicago, the Jets, and Jacksonville.  Even if you allow them a fighting chance against the Jets (I wouldn't at this point but it's the most likely), Derek Anderson is never going to develop a "hot hand" against the Pats, the Bears, and the Jags.  Not happening.

It's not about the QB we just need one to make a few plays and not screw up.  This D is better than last year and 2014.

[frostbitmic]

On 10/19/2018 at 2:46 PM, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

...sounds like "Happy Hour" started WAAAAAAAAAY too early bud............

And this time it wasn't me that started drinking before the crows start making noise.

18 hours ago, formerlyofCtown said:

It's not about the QB we just need one to make a few plays and not screw up.  This D is better than last year and 2014.

We do make plays and then either Miller or duckass get flagged for doing something stupid.

[SoTier]

 

On 10/19/2018 at 3:30 PM, Mike147 said:

 

Derek Anderson has never proven to be an NFL quality starting quarterback in his career to date. He had one decent(ish) year but even that wasn't particularly great considering the stat line he posted. If the guy steps in and wins a few games, good on him, but all that proves is that all we need is a quarterback that can move the chains and get the offense going. All it shows is that the front office potentially made the wrong decision in getting rid of Tyrod Taylor because despite his shortcomings we did make it to the play offs with his style of play combined with good defense. 

 

Will sitting on the bench teach Josh Allen to be an accurate quarterback? I doubt it. We drafted a mid-50s PCT guy and that is going to be difficult for him to improve on in the NFL. We might have to accept a similar PCT to someone like Cam Newton (generally sub-60), but you can win with that as Cam Newton has shown, Allen just needs to make use of his arm talent and athletic ability. Sitting Allen isn't going to help significantly, what will is being out there with a better supporting cast and learning the ropes first hand. At the end of the day being accurate is great but as a friend highlighted to me the other day (he's a Broncos fan), John Elway only completed three seasons with a pass completion above 60 in his career, and that guy is in the hall of fame and won two out of five Super Bowl appearances. Granted different era but with the right supporting cast we can have success with Allen even though he's unlikely to become one of the more accurate quarterbacks in the league. 

 

John Elway is absolutely NOT any kind of "proof" that Allen can be an effective NFL QB despite his inaccuracy.  Elway  was drafted 35 years ago.  If he had been drafted 30 years later (2013 rather than 1983), you can bet your last $ that his completion percentage would have been significantly higher (consistently in the 60s). 

 

[fansince88]

Wait, did we change the whole WR staff or Just swap Foster for Phillips?

[Success]

I’ll be a really happy Bills fan.  But I won’t even have a hint of a feeling like “we finally found our starter.”

 

Allen is the future- if he’s healthy, he should play.

[Guest Mike147]

2 hours ago, SoTier said:

 

 

John Elway is absolutely NOT any kind of "proof" that Allen can be an effective NFL QB despite his inaccuracy.  Elway  was drafted 35 years ago.  If he had been drafted 30 years later (2013 rather than 1983), you can bet your last $ that his completion percentage would have been significantly higher (consistently in the 60s). 

 

 

First, I’m not an advocate of drafting inaccurate quarterbacks. I’d rather take an accurate quarterback with good decision making skills and pocket awareness with a decent arm over a prospect with a cannon of an arm with questionable accuracy, decision making and pocket awareness. However, our front office drafted the guy with the big arm and question marks so we as fans have to accept that and deal with it until the experiment fails.

 

Second, I’m not saying that because Elway was sub 60 that he wouldn’t have been more accurate in the modern era. Another QB with a sub 60 pct was Dan Marino, now imagine what stats he could post in the modern era. The difference in the game obviously would boost their stats because they had to deal with more physicality and less offensive bias than current era quarterbacks deal with. However, I do feel the comparison still has some merit because a sub-60 guy in Carolina has been successful. Like I said, if we can utilise Josh’s arm strength and dual threat ability - ie like Carolina do with Cam - then Josh can be success if he’s completing sub-60.

 

Another point is it all depends on what throws a quarterback is attempting. Eli Manning is currently completing 68.7 percent of his pass attempts. He has a qb rating over 90. All sounds great until you watch the guy check down the majority of his pass attempts and not take as many shots down the field. Eli is playing it very safe this season and their passing game is hurting because of it. Granted his oline isn’t helping him a great deal but he’s not helping his offense by throwing near lateral passes for next to no gain. Alex Smith is another checkdown Charlie, and Tyrod was at times with us. It’s great to see their pct stat, but if you aren’t taking more shots downfield and airing it out, and instead playing it safe, give me the quarterback that’s willing to bet on their arm and make plays over the checkdown guys. 

 

Essentially I don’t expect Josh to be a regular 60 plus pct guy, but he can be an effective quarterback in this era with a sub 60 pct as long as he makes use of his athleticism, moves the chains, and is successful taking those shots with his elite arm strength and talent. Accuracy is great, but unless you’re doing what Brees and Rodgers do rather Eli does, that high pct can sometimes be wasted because the qb is being overly conservative. I don’t see Josh being that type of quarterback and he’ll either thrive or fail because of that gunslinger mentality. Elway took his shots, so did Marino and a Kelly off what I’ve read and seen (I’m not old enough to have watched them live). Ok different era, but in today’s offensive friendly nfl you can still have success with questionable accuracy because the rules are in the offenses favour. 

[#34fan]

 Right now, I'm hoping like heck he doesn't get himself injured behind this O-line tomorrow...