If Derek Anderson and this defense begin to win games.....?

[Rebel101]

This the statement. What do you think the Buffalo Bills should do. But also what do you think the Buffalo Bills will do. I think with our defense and a veteran QB the team has a chance to succeed. I believe Anderson will capitalize off turnovers and win us a few games. It is a tough spot though because you have already started developing Josh Allen. I believe the Bills FO has to put his development as the top priority. So should he sit and learn and how how a QB can succeed in this league? Or should they put him back out there and let him take his lumps? I believe Anderson should play as long as he can if he is winning. But I also believe the Bills will put Allen back in no matter what the outcome is of Anderson’s run as a starter.

[Roundybout]

Sign Anderson to a 6 year, 100 million dollar contract, obviously.

[CuddyDark]

Why do people have faith in a career backup?

[Rc2catch]

I put Allen in as soon as he’s ready. 

Anderson is here to show him the ropes, he gets 3-4 games now to study film with josh and see how he prepares for game day, but I don’t think Anderson is going to have much success. I hope I’m wrong I’d like to see a competitive offense I’m just not sure he has anything left in the tank 

[oldmanfan]

That's a huge if of course, but you go with the hot hand and let Allen learn and develop his mechanics more

[Bill_with_it]

You let Anderson play until Allen is medically good to go. Then Allen needs to go back in. 

[keepthefaith]

7 minutes ago, CuddyDark said:

Why do people have faith in a career backup?

 

Yes, it's more likely DA plays poorly or gets hurt after the long layoff.    Hope otherwise though.  Allen's gotta play when healthy. 

Edited October 19, 2018 by keepthefaith

[Royale with Cheese]

If the offense shows life and we win....you have to keep him in there.  We have an elite defense.

Josh can learn by watching which was the original plan except Nathan Peterman f'ed that up.

[mrags]

It really depends on how Anderson plays. I’m not saying it is going to happen. But if this team rattled off 50% or better with Anderson in there, and he’s throwing for 300+ and 2TDs a game, or better. You keep him in there and let Allen learn from watching for now. 

 

However, if Anderson is anything short of looking like a real NFL QB out there, yiu put Allen back in the minute he’s ready. 

[CuddyDark]

1 minute ago, Bill_with_it said:

You let Anderson play until Allen is medically good to go. Then Allen needs to go back in. 

Sit Allen through the bye. Bring him back after.

[blacklabel]

This is Josh Allen's team. This isn't EJ and Orton all over again. As soon as Allen is ready to go, he's the #1.

[JMF2006]

Cut him.....we are not supposed to win this year it would be horrible to win  

[SoTier]

Seriously dude, after the Bills play the Colts, they face NE, Chicago, the Jets, and Jacksonville.  Even if you allow them a fighting chance against the Jets (I wouldn't at this point but it's the most likely), Derek Anderson is never going to develop a "hot hand" against the Pats, the Bears, and the Jags.  Not happening.

[PatsFanNH]

15 minutes ago, Rebel101 said:

This the statement. What do you think the Buffalo Bills should do. But also what do you think the Buffalo Bills will do. I think with our defense and a veteran QB the team has a chance to succeed. I believe Anderson will capitalize off turnovers and win us a few games. It is a tough spot though because you have already started developing Josh Allen. I believe the Bills FO has to put his development as the top priority. So should he sit and learn and how how a QB can succeed in this league? Or should they put him back out there and let him take his lumps? I believe Anderson should play as long as he can if he is winning. But I also believe the Bills will put Allen back in no matter what the outcome is of Anderson’s run as a starter.

As an outsider, you let Allen sit which I believe was the plan in the beginning and learn from a vet QB.  There is no harm in having the kid watch from the sidelines

[billieve420]

Obviously if he wins every game Allen is out then they have no choice but to stick with the Veteran. I don't see things going that way and would put Allen back in when healthy. If Anderson plays well enough it is possible they won't bring Allen back in until they have been eliminated from playoff consideration.

[Wo-Bah]

I guess I am leaning towards putting Allen back in once he's cleared to play again.  He can still learn from Derek Anderson, but as someone above said, I think this is Allen's team and he needs to be shown that by the coaches.  This'll also help his confidence knowing he's not going to get yanked every time he has a bad game.  Let the kid learn once cleared.

[Bobby Hooks]

6 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said:

As an outsider, you let Allen sit which I believe was the plan in the beginning and learn from a vet QB.  There is no harm in having the kid watch from the sidelines

Exactly. If anything, the harm was already done by not having an Anderson or the like since day one. 

Edited October 19, 2018 by Bobby Hooks

[Wayne Arnold]

21 minutes ago, CuddyDark said:

Why do people have faith in a career backup?

 

Amazing, isn’t it?

[oldmanfan]

6 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

Prediction: Bills got 0-5 over the next 5.

You and your bunny SoTier are a never ending source of sunshine around here.

 

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

5 minutes ago, Wo-Bah said:

I guess I am leaning towards putting Allen back in once he's cleared to play again.  He can still learn from Derek Anderson, but as someone above said, I think this is Allen's team and he needs to be shown that by the coaches.  This'll also help his confidence knowing he's not going to get yanked every time he has a bad game.  Let the kid learn once cleared.

 

He'll actually get that chance to learn from the sidelines for a few weeks... like you know - the original plan.

[oldmanfan]

22 minutes ago, CuddyDark said:

Why do people have faith in a career backup?

It is a simple theoretical.  Nothing more.

[Bobby Hooks]

1 minute ago, Wayne Arnold said:

 

Amazing, isn’t it?

Is it “faith” or just the smartest, most logical thing to do in a bad situation? 

[dpberr]

All good.  Enjoy it.  

 

It's happened before in Buffalo.  (October 11, 1998 against the same Colts.)

[Wayne Arnold]

1 minute ago, Bobby Hooks said:

Is it “faith” or just the smartest, most logical thing to do in a bad situation? 

 

Theres nothing logical about expecting Derek Anderson to lead this team to wins.

[Watkins90]

You play the hot hand. If Anderson somehow magically goes 3-1 over the next four games, he gets to keep the starting role. He goes 1-3, you put Allen back in as soon as possible. 

[NewEra]

27 minutes ago, CuddyDark said:

Why do people have faith in a career backup?

I don’t think it has to do with having faith in a career backup.  We’ve seen josh Allen play qb so far, and he’s been a complete failure.  Not to say he will always be a failure, but he currently is a fail.  His blitz recognition and inability to make the correct pass has been our offenses downfall.  His best chance on 3rd down seems to be scrambling.   If Anderson’s can correctly diagnose the defense and get the ball to the open guy, we’ll be better.  

[Rebel101]

33 minutes ago, CuddyDark said:

Why do people have faith in a career backup?

I don’t have faith in him. I’m not saying he is the future. But I think anybody is better then what we’ve put out there this year. I believe we would have won more games because of our defense if we had an offense that could at least move the ball slightly. Anderson doesn’t have to be lights out for us to be competitive. I don’t understand how people here think he isn’t an upgrade. Josh Allen(I understand he needs to develop) has led us to an historically bad offense. He’s not ready yet I don’t think he should have played this year at all but ***** happens. I’m just saying anyone behind QB gives us a better chance then the 2 we have.

Edited October 19, 2018 by Rebel101

[CuddyDark]

5 minutes ago, NewEra said:

I don’t think it has to do with having faith in a career backup.  We’ve seen josh Allen play qb so far, and he’s been a complete failure.  Not to say he will always be a failure, but he currently is a fail.  His blitz recognition and inability to make the correct pass has been our offenses downfall.  His best chance on 3rd down seems to be scrambling.   If Anderson’s can correctly diagnose the defense and get the ball to the open guy, we’ll be better.  

Sounds like if we get ride of Tyrod we'll be better. I root for whoever they play. I just don't have much faith in a career backup. I want him to do well but I'd be shocked if he does any better than Allen. He's still half Allen, half Peterman after all these years.

2 minutes ago, Rebel101 said:

I don’t have faith in him. I’m not saying he is the future. But I think anybody is better then what we’ve put out there this year. I believe we would have won more games because of our defense if we had an offense that could at least move the ball slightly

Based on? Hope? This is yet to be seen.

Edited October 19, 2018 by CuddyDark

[colin]

if we get to 500 over the next 4 games, and JA is not healthy to go in (conservatively, which you know will be the mantra) it will be pretty hard to put JA back in while the playoffs are still possible.

 

if we are over 500 after 4 or 5, then its' a super hard decision.

 

any other result and the just jam JA back in because playoffs don't look possible.

 

all of that said, if allen is healthy and looks better and is learning well in practice, and if DA is not great but we are still winning (i really don't think he's gonna be as good as say, Orton was for us, so it's not like he's gonna put up crazy numbers) it's an easy thing to justify in the locker room, and given that corch benched tyrod for peterman, i think he'd err on the side of rolling with the rookie.

 

its' also likely that if the O does better, someone else (shady, benji, whoever) is gonna step up large and will be seen as the reason for our winning, so we aren't in much danger of sitting our ticket to the playoffs in DA alone, so i don't see how JA doesn't get back in, and likely sooner.

 

Personally i'd ride the hot hand cuz JA is so young and confident, but Mccorch has shown he likes to act rather then let it play out

[NewEra]

1 minute ago, CuddyDark said:

Sounds like if we get ride of Tyrod we'll be better. I route for whoever they play. I just don't have much faith in a career backup. I want him to do well but I'd be shocked if he does any better than Allen. He's still half Allen, half Peterman after all these years.

Based on? Hope? This is yet to be seen.

I’ll be shocked if he doesn’t do better than Allen.  Jmo

[Rebel101]

6 minutes ago, NewEra said:

I don’t think it has to do with having faith in a career backup.  We’ve seen josh Allen play qb so far, and he’s been a complete failure.  Not to say he will always be a failure, but he currently is a fail.  His blitz recognition and inability to make the correct pass has been our offenses downfall.  His best chance on 3rd down seems to be scrambling.   If Anderson’s can correctly diagnose the defense and get the ball to the open guy, we’ll be better.  

Exactly. Well put 

[Wayne Arnold]

6 minutes ago, NewEra said:

I don’t think it has to do with having faith in a career backup.  We’ve seen josh Allen play qb so far, and he’s been a complete failure.  Not to say he will always be a failure, but he currently is a fail.  His blitz recognition and inability to make the correct pass has been our offenses downfall.  His best chance on 3rd down seems to be scrambling.   If Anderson’s can correctly diagnose the defense and get the ball to the open guy, we’ll be better.  

 

This is horse crap. 

[Rebel101]

3 minutes ago, CuddyDark said:

Sounds like if we get ride of Tyrod we'll be better. I root for whoever they play. I just don't have much faith in a career backup. I want him to do well but I'd be shocked if he does any better than Allen. He's still half Allen, half Peterman after all these years.

Based on? Hope? This is yet to be seen.

His knowledge makes him better then Allen immediately. Allen can’t read a field. He doesn’t know coverages. He doesn’t know how to beat a blitz. He is learning and will get better but he is terrible.

[2003Contenders]

I still believe that even the most pro-Allen coaches understood that there would be a learning period for him and that he would be best-served sitting and watching for a season. That said there were some serious flaws in their planning:

 

-- They had more faith in McCarron than they should have. Beane more or less acknowledged this. That is why they jumped at the trade offer from the Raiders. Still, they should have had the sense to bring in a viable veteran to replace him.

-- They honestly believed that Nate Peterman would be serviceable while Allen sat.

 

Anderson ostensibly puts them back in the position that the were originally in with McCarron -- and they probably should have reached out to him back when the McCarron trade occurred. 

 

I would suspect that as long as Anderson wins (or at least looks competent in losing), he will remain the starter -- even after Allen gets the clean bill of health. If/when Anderson starts stinking things up -- or we get late into the season and the Bills have been officially eliminated from playoff contention -- Allen gets back on the field.

[Jerry Jabber]

If Anderson throws on average for 200+ yards, 2 TD's and 1 INT per game, I'd say leave him in there for the rest of the year and let Allen learn. Allen is not ready and should have been given at least a year to sit and learn. In the offseason, give him all the starting reps in camp and preseason and get him ready for 2019.

[davefan66]

If Anderson averages 60% and 275 yards a game, gotta go with the hot hand.  Especially if he kills it against the patsies.

 

Somehow, I feel Sunday night there is going to be many threads to start Peterman and sign Kaepernick.  Oh, and fire the coaching staff of course.....

[CuddyDark]

2 minutes ago, NewEra said:

I’ll be shocked if he doesn’t do better than Allen.  Jmo

It's a low bar. Doing better and actually being a QB are two different things. People believe he'll "Win games" and "Light it up" I don't believe he'll do either of those things. Colts do suck on defense so maybe they win this week but to expect him to be any better in the long run is hope, nothing more.

[Rebel101]

1 minute ago, Wayne Arnold said:

 

This is horse crap. 

Lol so you think a raw quarterback who can’t read a defense pre or post snap. Doesn’t know which route is best against what coverage. Has accuracy issues and can’t beat a blitz is better then a QB who can do all those things in his sleep

[CuddyDark]

2 minutes ago, Rebel101 said:

His knowledge makes him better then Allen immediately. Allen can’t read a field. He doesn’t know coverages. He doesn’t know how to beat a blitz. He is learning and will get better but he is terrible.

He's a career backup. He doesn't know what teams will plan for him as the starter.

[Rebel101]

2 minutes ago, 2003Contenders said:

I still believe that even the most pro-Allen coaches understood that there would be a learning period for him and that he would be best-served sitting and watching for a season. That said there were some serious flaws in their planning:

 

-- They had more faith in McCarron than they should have. Beane more or less acknowledged this. That is why they jumped at the trade offer from the Raiders. Still, they should have had the sense to bring in a viable veteran to replace him.

-- They honestly believed that Nate Peterman would be serviceable while Allen sat.

 

Anderson ostensibly puts them back in the position that the were originally in with McCarron -- and they probably should have reached out to him back when the McCarron trade occurred. 

 

I would suspect that as long as Anderson wins (or at least looks competent in losing), he will remain the starter -- even after Allen gets the clean bill of health. If/when Anderson starts stinking things up -- or we get late into the season and the Bills have been officially eliminated from playoff contention -- Allen gets back on the field.

Yeah I agree