LFC24 Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 (edited) Simple as. You don't draft a project QB and expect him to develop under a conservative defensive minded coach who has literally no idea how to evaluate QB's. Look at all the top young QB's in the league. They have smart offensive minded coaches behind them (either HC or OC/QB coach). Mcdermott has no idea how to assemble an offense that is sustainable in today's NFL. He is the sole reason why Peterman is still on this team. His ability to evaluate that side of the ball is abysmal. We will never see Allen progress under Mcdermotts coaching staff. Sure he is a decent defensive coach but in order for this franchise to move forward with Allen Mcdermott needs to be replaced. How do we expect Allen to learn with such poor coaching? Who even on this staff has a history of developing QB's? This franchise continues to draft QB's and watches them fail b/c they didn't bother to bring in a decent QB guy to help. History is repeating itself with Allen (just like Losman, Edwards, EJ) Edited October 15, 2018 by LFC24 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 neat. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 Just now, teef said: neat. Thats how I drink whiskey. 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 2 minutes ago, LFC24 said: Simple as. You don't draft a project QB and expect him to develop under a conservative defensive minded coach who has literally no idea how to evaluate QB's. Look at all the top young QB's in the league. They have smart offensive minded coaches behind them (either HC or OC/QB coach). Mcdermott has no idea how to assemble an offense that is sustainable in today's NFL. He is the sole reason why Peterman is still on this team. His ability to evaluate that side of the ball is abysmal. We will never see Allen progress under Mcdermotts coaching staff. Sure he is a decent defensive coach but in order for this franchise to move forward with Allen Mcdermott needs to be replaced. Poor Sam Darnold. Poor Josh Rosen. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan4 Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 The hot takes and overreaction on this board in the days following a loss are cringe worthy. 3 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midwest1981 Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 (edited) We may come to find out that McDermott is the Tyrod Taylor of coaches: he can capably take you to a point but to get beyond that point somebody else might need to do the job, at least in an offense-driven sport that isn’t turning back the clock ever again. McDermott has demonstrated that he’s quite far from being a bad coach and much closer to being a good one- I’d even call him a “good one.” But much as Tyrod’s limitations became glaring and devastating so are becoming McDermott’s relative to the offensive side of the ball. We’ll have to see what the Bills do this offseason first. But McDermott has a lot to prove in terms of offensive player- and perhaps coaching- evaluation. Edited October 15, 2018 by Midwest1981 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mead107 Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 So, we need another Josh Allen thread 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 I'd comment negatively on this premise, but that's actively discouraged around here. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPP Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 His in game coaching is not very good going on 2 years now....this team completely neglected the offense from the get go is why we are ranked dead last in offense and will be when this season ends.....lets see if this regime can resurrect the offense......it can only go up right? Cant get much worse? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeF Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 2 minutes ago, mead107 said: So, we need another Josh Allen thread We need a couple of G's, a C and a RT .... ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xsoldier54 Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 Any updates on Allen's elbow. That didn't look good. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 25 minutes ago, LFC24 said: Simple as. You don't draft a project QB and expect him to develop under a conservative defensive minded coach who has literally no idea how to evaluate QB's. Look at all the top young QB's in the league. They have smart offensive minded coaches behind them (either HC or OC/QB coach). Mcdermott has no idea how to assemble an offense that is sustainable in today's NFL. He is the sole reason why Peterman is still on this team. His ability to evaluate that side of the ball is abysmal. We will never see Allen progress under Mcdermotts coaching staff. Sure he is a decent defensive coach but in order for this franchise to move forward with Allen Mcdermott needs to be replaced. How do we expect Allen to learn with such poor coaching? Who even on this staff has a history of developing QB's? This franchise continues to draft QB's and watches them fail b/c they didn't bother to bring in a decent QB guy to help. History is repeating itself with Allen (just like Losman, Edwards, EJ) I know what you are saying and to a certain point can agree. You look at the way Daboll offenses sputter over his past time as an OC, you look at a QB coach that is known more for WRs. A defensive mindes HC. It's tough to see that group being successful with a project QB. That said, we dont know how well they coach. We aren't in the QB room. At practice. They may do well. Time Will tell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Dude Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 My biggest reason for wanting to fire McDermott is this. He won’t develop Allen / any other QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 5 minutes ago, The_Dude said: My biggest reason for wanting to fire McDermott is this. He won’t develop Allen / any other QB. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 It's actually a maddening combination of factors. McDermott knows little about offense. That is abundantly clear by several mind-boggling choices. But worse, Daboll has zero experience in successfully grooming a young QB - AND - McDermott hired a QB coach who not only never developed a young QB but is not even a QB coach. And they surrounded him with Nate Peterman. So HC, plus OC plus QB coach plus no veteran QB (until now) with no history or experience in doing the one thing crucial to a young raw talented rookie QB is criminal. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fridge Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 45 minutes ago, BillsFan4 said: The hot takes and overreaction on this board in the days following a loss are cringe worthy. I'm not really a big fan of the whole "pitchforks on a monday after a loss crowd" ... but consecutive 80 yard passing games in 2018 is a hell of a lot more cringe worthy to me. 4 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said: It's actually a maddening combination of factors. McDermott knows little about offense. That is abundantly clear by several mind-boggling choices. But worse, Daboll has zero experience in successfully grooming a young QB - AND - McDermott hired a QB coach who not only never developed a young QB but is not even a QB coach. And they surrounded him with Nate Peterman. So HC, plus OC plus QB coach plus no veteran QB (until now) with no history or experience in doing the one thing crucial to a young raw talented rookie QB is criminal. The creepy thing is I actually think McDermott thinks he knows what he's doing. He strikes me as a stubborn guy. Great leaders are willing to look to others for advice and are usually masters of delegation and empowering others around them to be successful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albany,n.y. Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 These defensive minded coaches should never be allowed to coach a team that doesn't have a 5 year veteran franchise QB. They'll never develop a young QB. Look at what defensive genius Belichick did in NE. He took this young QB, was very conservative with him the 1st year he started & ruined the guy. It's been 17 years since anyone remembers that kid Tom Brady that Belichick made disappear. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiotAct Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 48 minutes ago, BillsFan4 said: The hot takes and overreaction on this board in the days following a loss are cringe worthy. yep if we beat Indy next week, all will be well for eight days...... lol 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 Just now, RiotAct said: yep if we beat Indy next week, all will be well for eight days...... lol No, it won't. People will still ceaselessly complain about something. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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1st&ten Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 37 minutes ago, joesixpack said: I'd comment negatively on this premise, but that's actively discouraged around here. Please do !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 1 minute ago, 1st&ten said: Please do !!! nah, I've been punished for doing it. so, I'll pass. It's not the posting i missed but the easy, aggregated news reading. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIZ Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 I am close to falling into the "screw the process" category. With a raw talented rookie QB, Allen should have been tutored by a QB guru from day 1. Should have hired an OC that has shown NFL success with young QBs. A true get QB should have been here day 1. Quality vet WRs should have been added. ....and so on and so on. Too many issues to list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real McClappy Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 7 minutes ago, Albany,n.y. said: These defensive minded coaches should never be allowed to coach a team that doesn't have a 5 year veteran franchise QB. They'll never develop a young QB. Look at what defensive genius Belichick did in NE. He took this young QB, was very conservative with him the 1st year he started & ruined the guy. It's been 17 years since anyone remembers that kid Tom Brady that Belichick made disappear. Bill Cowher was a DC and seemed to do just fine with Big Ben. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juice_32 Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 9 minutes ago, BillsEnthusiast said: Good to know, I like the kids chances to finish strong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1st&ten Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 4 minutes ago, joesixpack said: nah, I've been punished for doing it. so, I'll pass. It's not the posting i missed but the easy, aggregated news reading. Yeah, I know what you mean. I've been on this board for along time, much longer then my profile says---had problems with my account back with one of the server upgrades, so I just created a new account. Maybe I'm too hard on the new members but we've seen dark times worse than this----we might get there but too early to panic yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Da webster guy Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 10 minutes ago, Real McCoy said: Bill Cowher was a DC and seemed to do just fine with Big Ben. Yeah Bill didn't have much to do with that. He just ran a great defense, and Ben took his lumps-- averaged about 160 yards a game. 17 TD throws and 11 picks on the season. Getting that first year under your belt is a necessary evil though. I'm sure he was questioned like we're doing to Josh. It's all about the weapons right now. Tyreek and Antonio Brown were late round draft picks, we need to find a gem somewhere in the draft that outperforms his draft status. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 32 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said: It's actually a maddening combination of factors. McDermott knows little about offense. That is abundantly clear by several mind-boggling choices. But worse, Daboll has zero experience in successfully grooming a young QB - AND - McDermott hired a QB coach who not only never developed a young QB but is not even a QB coach. And they surrounded him with Nate Peterman. So HC, plus OC plus QB coach plus no veteran QB (until now) with no history or experience in doing the one thing crucial to a young raw talented rookie QB is criminal. Add in the limited investment in the offense while spending three of the top four picks on defense as well as good money in UFA on Star and Murphy. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFC24 Posted October 15, 2018 Author Share Posted October 15, 2018 27 minutes ago, Albany,n.y. said: These defensive minded coaches should never be allowed to coach a team that doesn't have a 5 year veteran franchise QB. They'll never develop a young QB. Look at what defensive genius Belichick did in NE. He took this young QB, was very conservative with him the 1st year he started & ruined the guy. It's been 17 years since anyone remembers that kid Tom Brady that Belichick made disappear. First of all, Brady is the best QB of all time, stop comparing every god damn situation to Brady and the patriots. Second of all, he had plenty of help. New England has had some top class OC's in his time there, so your point is literally wrong and irrelevant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real McClappy Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 6 minutes ago, Da webster guy said: Yeah Bill didn't have much to do with that. He just ran a great defense, and Ben took his lumps-- averaged about 160 yards a game. 17 TD throws and 11 picks on the season. Getting that first year under your belt is a necessary evil though. I'm sure he was questioned like we're doing to Josh. It's all about the weapons right now. Tyreek and Antonio Brown were late round draft picks, we need to find a gem somewhere in the draft that outperforms his draft status. This exactly where I was trying to go with the Bill Cowher reference as Ben and Josh are very much alike IMO at the position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figster Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 Myself personally, I think McD was forced into starting Allen much earlier then he had planned because of the Beane heads mistakes. With that being said I'm very happy a more conservative run heavy approach is being utilized in the on field development of Allen and believe McD may have had allot to do with it IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 2 minutes ago, Figster said: Myself personally, I think McD was forced into starting Allen much earlier then he had planned because of the Beane heads mistakes. With that being said I'm very happy a more conservative run heavy approach is being utilized in the on field development of Allen and believe McD may have had allot to do with it IMO. They work in concert and I find it hard to absolve either one of blame for the state of the offense. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIZ Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 6 minutes ago, Figster said: Myself personally, I think McD was forced into starting Allen much earlier then he had planned because of the Beane heads mistakes. With that being said I'm very happy a more conservative run heavy approach is being utilized in the on field development of Allen and believe McD may have had allot to do with it IMO. I think that goes back to McDermott and staff trying to be cute thinking Peterman was the next low draft star QB. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 1 hour ago, Royale with Cheese said: Thats how I drink whiskey. I blame the Bills! I have to go check to be sure, but I’m thinking McD isn’t our only coach. Now, is Daboll, Culley or someone else the right guy? That is yet to be seen, but there’s no reason why a QB can’t learn just because the HC leans toward defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 1 hour ago, Royale with Cheese said: Thats how I drink whiskey. you insist on using round ice cubes, don't you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight Hucklebuck Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 1 hour ago, BillsFan4 said: The hot takes and overreaction on this board in the days following a loss are cringe worthy. Six (6) games in and Bills are averaging 12.7 ppg. Last two games right at 13 points. Overreaction? Or just the realization that Culture is not overcoming the talent gap? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan1972 Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 McDermott started Peterman vs. LAC last year. He named him the starting QB this year. Enough said..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan4 Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, fridge said: I'm not really a big fan of the whole "pitchforks on a monday after a loss crowd" ... but consecutive 80 yard passing games in 2018 is a hell of a lot more cringe worthy to me. The creepy thing is I actually think McDermott thinks he knows what he's doing. He strikes me as a stubborn guy. Great leaders are willing to look to others for advice and are usually masters of delegation and empowering others around them to be successful. I wasn’t trying to imply that I am not worried about Josh Allen working out, because I am. I can’t say that I have much confidence in him at the moment. As as far as McDermott, I don’t really get that impression. I do think he can be stubborn in some aspects, like any coach in any sport. But I think he does look to other for advise and does delegate power. Just a few examples off the top of my head - He was a successful DC and decided against calling plays here in Buffalo (a lot of rookie head coaches call plays on the side of the ball they’re familiar with), and when he did call plays for that second half of game 2 he gave the play-calling right back to Frazier the next game, even though the defense has struggled up to that point (and the defense has bend lights out ever since, which IMO kind of speaks to empowering his coaches to be successful). He gave Frazier the game ball and all of the credit for the game plan after beating the Vikings next game, too. That is what a leader does IMO - takes all the blame and deflects all of the praise/success. He recognized he was a rookie head coach and made it a point to hire an experienced coaching staff and has said many times how much he leans on them. He has preached about every decision being a collaborative effort since he was hired. From game plans to roster decisions etc. He’s talked about how he is always trying to learn and grow/adapt many times, too. I remember reading a story when he was first hired about how he carries a notebook everywhere he goes and is constantly asking other (retired and active) NFL coaches, execs, players etc for advise or trying to pick their brain. There was another similar story from when he was first hired, about how he went out to dinner with the Super Bowl era Bills players, and they were saying how he had his little notepad out all night, asking them questions and writing down everything. 1 hour ago, Straight Hucklebuck said: Six (6) games in and Bills are averaging 12.7 ppg. Last two games right at 13 points. Overreaction? Or just the realization that Culture is not overcoming the talent gap? Yes, I would say that definitively stating that after a whole 5 games Josh Allen will never possibly develop under Sean McDermott is an overreaction. I think we all know that the talent is clearly lacking on this roster. I never expected culture to be able to fully overcome this lack of talent and massive dead cap space. But we are seeing a team that fights tooth and nail until the end of every game. We aren’t seeing that “woe is me, here we go again” Bills team of the drought era. That alone is a pretty big achievement for this franchise and city... lol. I could argue that there probably aren’t many coaches in the NFL getting more from less than Sean McDermott is. This is a rebuild, whether they directly say it or not. IMO We have to at least wait until they start building the team up next season before we can truly judge anything. So far they have focused on the defensive side of the ball and that seems to be working out pretty damn well. The Bills are one of the best defenses in the NFL which is all the more impressive IMO with the rookies we have starting at key positions. I am very encouraged by their ability to piece together a very good defense without very many big names or big contracts. Now we need to see them make some progress on offense. I am not going to lie and say I am not worried about the offense. But I know that they are fully aware of the lack of talent on offense, and I am willing to give them a chance to address it before I write them off as failures. Edited October 15, 2018 by BillsFan4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBillsFanSince1973 Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, BillsFan4 said: The hot takes and overreaction on this board in the days following a loss are cringe worthy. actually it's daily, 24/7/365 Edited October 15, 2018 by no name 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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