The blame lies squarely with the HC, FO & Refusal to build an Offense - Not Allen

[Billsfan1972]

Why the hate for Allen?  This staff & FO have done nothing to help Josh.  The playcalling and game plans are stuck in the 70's.  McDermott & McBeane have abandoned the offense and in their stupidity had Peterman as the starter and Allen's mentor.  Now they bring in another back-up with at least some experience, but little else.  

 

I watched yesterday and again Allen looked okay, but was playing against a stacked deck that this Bills organization is to blame for.  

 

BTW the two passes to KB were great along with that cross body to McCoy.  

 

Not much however one can do with coaches who refuse to acknowledge and have players or a system that wins games in today's NFL.

Edited October 15, 2018 by Billsfan1972

[jrober38]

Sure. It's not Allen's fault he's not very good. 

 

This regime looks pretty dumb for falling for the big, strong QB who all the analytics said wasn't a very good player. 

 

Hopefully he gets a lot better, but the early signs have not looked good. 

Edited October 15, 2018 by jrober38

[bmur66]

I prefer the Andy Reid approach myself. Not at all confident this team has the staff to build a high powered offense. I can’t understand how you go all in on a QB that everybody knows needs a year on the sidelines and then throw him out there with nothing. 

Defense is playing well and that’s all great and everything but all that emphasis should have been placed on building an offense first. I really like Josh Allen but I am afraid they are going to hurt his development by the choices they have made.

[Kevin1778]

I blame it all on the idiots who destroyed this team for years and left this team in tatters. The Bills are doing a great job clearing out dead money. The goal is to win a Superbowl, not be a 9 win team every year.  They are set up perfectly to fix this team next year with a fortune in money available.

[KDIGGZ]

He's not very good but it's not his fault the Bills traded up to get him and put all of their hopes and dreams on him when he's a project that needs a lot of work. They did the same thing with EJ. Raw talent, needs developing. Let's start him right away! Derp

[Billsfan1972]

2 minutes ago, Kevin1778 said:

I blame it all on the idiots who destroyed this team for years and left this team in tatters. The Bills are doing a great job clearing out dead money. The goal is to win a Superbowl, not be a 9 win team every year.  They are set up perfectly to fix this team next year with a fortune in money available.

Trust the process and blame everything on the last regime......  Always some who buy this thinking.  

 

I used to hope for 200 yards passing and and was pilloried for wanting 300 yards.

 

Some here are now okay with 150 and tired old excuses.

[Bangarang]

Having a few decent throws doesn’t erase an entire afternoon of poor play. He simply doesn’t look good. He’s not the only problem but he’s certainly part of it.

Edited October 15, 2018 by Bangarang

[NewEra]

Blame this guy.  Blame that guy. Blame blame blame

[nucci]

7 minutes ago, Kevin1778 said:

I blame it all on the idiots who destroyed this team for years and left this team in tatters. The Bills are doing a great job clearing out dead money. The goal is to win a Superbowl, not be a 9 win team every year.  They are set up perfectly to fix this team next year with a fortune in money available.

How are they set up perfectly? There will be many teams with cap space to sign FAs...they tore the offense down too much to fix in one off-season

[TheElectricCompany]

As an organization, it's been all downhill since they said "no thanks" to Mahomes. 

[dollars 2 donuts]

24 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said:

Why the hate for Allen?  This staff & FO have done nothing to help Josh.  The playcalling and game plans are stuck in the 70's.  McDermott & McBeane have abandoned the offense and in their stupidity had Peterman as the starter and Allen's mentor.  Now they bring in another back-up with at least some experience, but little else.  

 

I watched yesterday and again Allen looked okay, but was playing against a stacked deck that this Bills organization is to blame for.  

 

BTW the two passes to KB were great along with that cross body to McCoy.  

 

Not much however one can do with coaches who refuse to acknowledge and have players or a system that wins games in today's NFL.

 

 

A more offensively minded and astute coaching staff would have been able to prevent me from ever having to ask this question.

 

Why is Teddy Bridgewater not a Buffalo Bill?

Edited October 15, 2018 by dollars 2 donuts

[Billsfan1972]

2 minutes ago, dollars 2 donuts said:

 

 

A more offensively minded and astute coaching staff would have been able to prevent me from ever having to ask this question.

 

Why is Teddy Bridgewater not a Buffalo Bill?

There was the perfect bridge/mentor......  But this coaching staff doesn't care about the offense......  I'd take Keapernick too......

 

BTW who wants to sign with Buffalo at market value the next few years?  The Bills will need to overpay to attract players and that too does not bode well.

[Chuck Wagon]

Meh.  Given the judgment on everything else involved with the offense, it's really hard to believe they got the right guy with Allen.

 

Seems pretty clear the plan is to replicate the Panthers, aka build the best defense possible and hope Allen is good enough by himself to overcome a complete lack of support all around him.  

[targetweight185]

If he doesn't get injured yesterday, JA is 3-1 as a starter. Let that sink in.

 

The recipe right now is play conservative on offense while JA gets experience, use the QB run game, run the clock, and let a solid defense win you games. Next year, when we have the cap space and draft picks we improve the offense. JA will be in his second year and we will know better what he is.

Edited October 15, 2018 by targetweight185

[MAJBobby]

17 minutes ago, Kevin1778 said:

I blame it all on the idiots who destroyed this team for years and left this team in tatters. The Bills are doing a great job clearing out dead money. The goal is to win a Superbowl, not be a 9 win team every year.  They are set up perfectly to fix this team next year with a fortune in money available.

 

Ahhh the Dead Money excuse. That THEY created. 

 

They are also set up perfectly to Kill this team for years by spending all that money on Crap Offensive Players (Clearly something they Know how to do)

Edited October 15, 2018 by MAJBobby

[Bob in STL]

This is a rebuild.

 

We won 9 games in year 1 of a rebuild.

 

It took a 41 yard PI call in the end zone and a Peterman pick 6 to keep us from going 3-3 and 2 road wins.   So we are an ugly 2-4, looking at 5 or 6 wins this year. 

 

The offensive talent is very poor, we have a rookie QB who is not ready for prime time.  Hang tough.

 

 

 

 

[MAJBobby]

2 minutes ago, targetweight185 said:

If he doesn't get injured yesterday, JA is 3-1 as a starter. Let that sink in.

 

The recipe right now is play conservative on offense while JA gets experience, use the QB run game, run the clock, and let a solid defense win you games. Next year, when we have the cap space and draft picks we improve the offense. JA will be in his second year and we will know better what he is.

 

Really??  So Bills were winning when he went out. I must have missed that

[AllenWillBust]

The blame is on the FO for passing on other QB's they could have drafted, and drafting Allen.  This is what will get them fired.

[dollars 2 donuts]

2 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said:

There was the perfect bridge/mentor......  But this coaching staff doesn't care about the offense......  I'd take Keapernick too......

 

BTW who wants to sign with Buffalo at market value the next few years?  The Bills will need to overpay to attract players and that too does not bode well.

 

 

They don't; I would, too; and you are absolutely right. 

 

F The Process when our coach and GM truly can't wrap their heads around anything close to being successful on offense.

[MAJBobby]

1 minute ago, Bob in STL said:

This is a rebuild.

 

We won 9 games in year 1 of a rebuild.

 

It took a 41 yard PI call in the end zone and a Peterman pick 6 to keep us from going 3-3 and 2 road wins.   So we are an ugly 2-4, looking at 5 or 6 wins this year. 

 

The offensive talent is very poor, we have a rookie QB who is not ready for prime time.  Hang tough.

 

 

 

 

 

And a coaching staff and FO with major questions on if they know how to build a Modern Era Offense 

[nedboy7]

15 minutes ago, Bob in STL said:

This is a rebuild.

 

We won 9 games in year 1 of a rebuild.

 

It took a 41 yard PI call in the end zone and a Peterman pick 6 to keep us from going 3-3 and 2 road wins.   So we are an ugly 2-4, looking at 5 or 6 wins this year. 

 

The offensive talent is very poor, we have a rookie QB who is not ready for prime time.  Hang tough.

 

 

 

 

 

Nope. This is ineptitude. 

[dpberr]

Stubborn loyalty to players and coaches who don't perform will be their demise, not the technical details on  any given Sunday.  

 

If you're truly a "process uber alles" guy, you're letting your WR and OL coaches go and you're cutting guys like Benjamin for his attitude and Peterman because of his play.

 

 

[Dopey]

B word B word B word...moan moan moan.

If we had fixed the offense and left the d alone, all this bitching and moaning would be about that. 

They have a plan/process. And they are sticking to it. From the beginning they said "we are getting a qb". After 1 year, they have their qb AND their defensive qb(Edmunds) AND made the playoffs. Year 2 has the Bills with one of the best defenses in the nfl. These guys are building something here. I trust and HOPE the offense has a similar turn around next year with the talent they aquire.

"Can't believe we traded Watkins!" : his soft ass ain't worth what he got from KC. Darby?!? I'll take White anyday. And Dawkins and Milano. After the Ryan fiasco, I'll take the measured, planned approach these guys have right now and anticipate improvement in the offense next year. As for the OC, he's trying to make chicken salad out of...you know.

But hey, keep on bitching and moaning. Hopefully getting it of your chest here will save some wife or child from your tantrums.

 

[MAJBobby]

3 minutes ago, Dopey said:

B word B word B word...moan moan moan.

If we had fixed the offense and left the d alone, all this bitching and moaning would be about that. 

They have a plan/process. And they are sticking to it. From the beginning they said "we are getting a qb". After 1 year, they have their qb AND their defensive qb(Edmunds) AND made the playoffs. Year 2 has the Bills with one of the best defenses in the nfl. These guys are building something here. I trust and HOPE the offense has a similar turn around next year with the talent they aquire.

"Can't believe we traded Watkins!" : his soft ass ain't worth what he got from KC. Darby?!? I'll take White anyday. And Dawkins and Milano. After the Ryan fiasco, I'll take the measured, planned approach these guys have right now and anticipate improvement in the offense next year. As for the OC, he's trying to make chicken salad out of...you know.

But hey, keep on bitching and moaning. Hopefully getting it of your chest here will save some wife or child from your tantrums.

 

Ahhh cool a call put thread with exactly what he is calling out. Typical 

 

So what has McD done to justify ANY FAITH they will get the offense right?

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

45 minutes ago, nucci said:

How are they set up perfectly? There will be many teams with cap space to sign FAs...they tore the offense down too much to fix in one off-season

 

...agree.......starting to think McDermott has too much power and too much say..........thinks he should be GM,HC & Personnel Director like his idol Andy.......does McBeane report TO him?...

[dollars 2 donuts]

14 minutes ago, Dopey said:

B word B word B word...moan moan moan.

If we had fixed the offense and left the d alone, all this bitching and moaning would be about that. 

They have a plan/process. And they are sticking to it. From the beginning they said "we are getting a qb". After 1 year, they have their qb AND their defensive qb(Edmunds) AND made the playoffs. Year 2 has the Bills with one of the best defenses in the nfl. These guys are building something here. I trust and HOPE the offense has a similar turn around next year with the talent they aquire.

"Can't believe we traded Watkins!" : his soft ass ain't worth what he got from KC. Darby?!? I'll take White anyday. And Dawkins and Milano. After the Ryan fiasco, I'll take the measured, planned approach these guys have right now and anticipate improvement in the offense next year. As for the OC, he's trying to make chicken salad out of...you know.

But hey, keep on bitching and moaning. Hopefully getting it of your chest here will save some wife or child from your tantrums.

 

 

 

Respectfully, Dopey they are:

 

2.5 yards per game away from being the worst offense in the NFL.

 

They have the fewest points in the League.

 

They have the second worse point differential, which is amazing when you consider they have the third best defense, and some of those points against came from your offense.

 

Trusting the Process is taking your lumps.

 

It is even "we are going to bad in spots and very bad in others".

 

It is not, however, "We are just plain going to be the worst offense in the entire League."  You or I could lead the worst offense in the NFL...it takes little or no experience to not be out ANY of your contemporaries.

 

There should have been forethought, but it was clouded by The Process.  You want to sign some WRs that ended up going other places for less money?  Have more than AJ MacCarron, Peterman, or a rookie who needs some time.  Bridgewater, although obviously not the best, did have some cache in the league.

Edited October 15, 2018 by dollars 2 donuts

[Dopey]

3 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

Ahhh cool a call put thread with exactly what he is calling out. Typical 

 

So what has McD done to justify ANY FAITH they will get the offense right?

Not sure what the hell your 1st sentence means(maybe the Puerto Rican in me), but they did a helluva job fixing one side in a year, with their plan. 

We are not privy to their plans, so what makes you think they can't.

Beautiful Rome wasn't built...oh never mind. Keep on bitching.

[nucci]

5 minutes ago, Dopey said:

Not sure what the hell your 1st sentence means(maybe the Puerto Rican in me), but they did a helluva job fixing one side in a year, with their plan. 

We are not privy to their plans, so what makes you think they can't.

Beautiful Rome wasn't built...oh never mind. Keep on bitching.

I just think it's going to take more than one off-season to fix the offense....by then maybe the defense isn't as good....you can't tear down one side of the ball to nothing and hope to build it back up quickly

[MAJBobby]

7 minutes ago, Dopey said:

Not sure what the hell your 1st sentence means(maybe the Puerto Rican in me), but they did a helluva job fixing one side in a year, with their plan. 

We are not privy to their plans, so what makes you think they can't.

Beautiful Rome wasn't built...oh never mind. Keep on bitching.

 

wel lets see 

 

QB - They took Peterman and Allen Passing on Mahomes, Rosen, Watson. Decided on McCarron instead of Bridgewater. Their complete debacle handling the QB position. 

 

Jetisoned Sammy for attitude to trade for a lesser WR with bigger attitude problems. 

 

Traded Glenn and decided Bodine and Newhouse where good enough to replace Pro Bowlers 

 

let Woods walk and Signed Trash WRs for the same cost it would have been to keep Woods

 

 

there isnt ONE Offensive move they made that you can hang a hat in and say yeah OK they will get the offense right. 

 

Already have one failed OC

another OC that when he left that offense has a dynamic passing game

have a Career WR coach coaching QBs 

Edited October 15, 2018 by MAJBobby

[Dopey]

4 minutes ago, dollars 2 donuts said:

 

 

Respectfully, Dopey they are:

 

2.5 yards per game away from being the worst offense in the NFL.

 

They have the fewest points in the League.

 

They have the second worse point differential, which is amazing when you consider they have the third best defense, and some of those points against came from your offense.

 

Trusting the Process is taking your lumps.

 

It is even "we are going to bad in spots and very bad in others".

 

It is not, however, "We are just plain going to be the worst offense in the entire League."  You or I could lead the worst offense in the NFL...it takes little or no experience to not be out ANY of your contemporaries.

 

There should have been forethought, but it was clouded by The Process.  You want to sign some WRs that ended up going other places for less money?  Have more than AJ MacCarron, Peterman, or a rookie who needs some time.  Bridgewater, although obviously not the past, did have some cache in the league.

I hear ya, man. I am still sticking to their process. I will be bitching next year if it is this bad. This team is this close from being 3-3. That's 12-10 over 22 games, in a TOTAL REBUILD. Let that sink in. I would think with more talent next year, our offense will improve. With this defense and our kicker, we just needbto be average to good and PLAYOFFS.

[BillsFan130]

I agree with you. Allen has not played well, let's call a spade a spade here.

 

But he has only played 5 NFL games, and to your point, he has absolutely no help around him

[Forward Progress]

34 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

 

Ahhh the Dead Money excuse. That THEY created. 

 

They are also set up perfectly to Kill this team for years by spending all that money on Crap Offensive Players (Clearly something they Know how to do)

 

So I agree that the dead cap of about $50M less to spend on talent relative to your opponents is a sizable disadvantage this year.  

 

Whether you like it or not, this is the rebuild plan - trade away big salaries for draft picks, find foundational players in the draft (Allen, Edmunds, White) to build your team  and absorb the dead cap this year.  McBeane even admitted to a reporter that he proposed this plan during the interview process. 

 

We are not a contender this year, but will will have better talent next year and should be better again in 2020.  I don't enjoy watching our team handcuffed by a lack of talent, but I accept that this is the right process.  

 

 

 

 

[MAJBobby]

Just now, Forward Progress said:

 

So I agree that the dead cap of about $50M less to spend on talent relative to your opponents is a sizable disadvantage this year.  

 

Whether you like it or not, this is the rebuild plan - trade away big salaries for draft picks, find foundational players in the draft (Allen, Edmunds, White) to build your team  and absorb the dead cap this year.  McBeane even admitted to a reporter that he proposed this plan during the interview process. 

 

We are not a contender this year, but will will have better talent next year and should be better again in 2020.  I don't enjoy watching our team handcuffed by a lack of talent, but I accept that this is the right process.  

 

 

 

 

See and I contended there is NO history to show they will have better talent. They have picked Offensive talent and it is suspect at best (being nice here). So how can ANYONE believe they have the smarts to Build a Modern Era NFL offense 

[BillsFan130]

5 minutes ago, Dopey said:

I hear ya, man. I am still sticking to their process. I will be bitching next year if it is this bad. This team is this close from being 3-3. That's 12-10 over 22 games, in a TOTAL REBUILD. Let that sink in. I would think with more talent next year, our offense will improve. With this defense and our kicker, we just needbto be average to good and PLAYOFFS.

It is just scary how bad the personnel decisions have been on the offensive side of the ball though. I have no faith in Mcd/Beane to build a good offence.

 

Here are some of their main acquisitions on the offensive side:

 

Traded up to get Zay Jones in the 2nd round- Looks awful now

Traded a 3rd round pick for Benjamin- Goes without saying here

Hired Rico/Daboll- Daboll looks even worse than Rico

Allen- Too early to tell

 

3/4 big moves they have made have been an epic fail so far, and Allen is just to early to judge right or wrong yet but he certainly has to start playing better

[Billsfan1972]

Easier to pull the wool over people's eye and talk the future, then actually deliver in the present......  So 2020 is now the goal?  

 

We have played two teams struggling on Offense to score the past two games and looked good on D.  Heck Aaron Rodgers right now is looking off too.  

 

Tennessee got shutout yesterday and allowed 11 sacks!!!!

 

The litmus test for a bad Bills team will be Miami & NYJ (who should be considered equally bad teams).

 

  

[BillsVet]

1 hour ago, targetweight185 said:

If he doesn't get injured yesterday, JA is 3-1 as a starter. Let that sink in.

 

That's like giving the win to a starting pitcher who goes 5 innings, gives up 6 runs and his offense scores 7.  Sure it goes down as a "W" but he didn't win that game.    

 

[JPP]

2 minutes ago, BillsVet said:

 

That's like giving the win to a starting pitcher who goes 5 innings, gives up 6 runs and his offense scores 7.  Sure it goes down as a "W" but he didn't win that game.    

 

Tyrod went to the playoffs last year......Is he a playoff calibur QB?  THere are lots more to a story than a stat line......

[C.Biscuit97]

I agree but the front office that couldn’t build an offense also picked a qb who wasn’t really that good at the MWC.  

[CommonCents]

The biggest mistake was waiting over a month to sign Anderson. 

 

A good HC/GM combo knows how to protect their team and themselves from ridicule. Sure, Anderson could have sucked in relief duty but it isn’t the same as standing pat with Peterman and then having yesterday happen. 

 

I was a big supporter of the culture change and I still want to believe in these two but the longer this goes on the harder it gets. They are doing a disservice to the fans and team by making some simple mistake. Their pride might end up being their own downfall. 

[oldmanfan]

Allen shoulders his share of the blame.  He still needs work on pre-snap recognition, and needs to hang in the pocket longer.  All things that can improve with time.  I'm interested to see what Anderson does for his development. And puzzled to say the least as to why that wasn't done earlier, unless Anderson and guys like Moore just didn't want to sign earlier.