Congrats Drew Brees

[Doc Brown]

I don't think Alex Smith will be a threat to his record.

[26CornerBlitz]

 

[Buffalo Barbarian]

12 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

Never knew this.

 

 

Friggin  Wandstooge, hate that guy, one of the worst coaches we had.

 

 

18 minutes ago, bills7834 said:

I put him up there with Barry Sanders as one of my all time favorite non-Bills players. 

 

I was fortunate to meet him in 2008 when I was in Iraq. He was as down to earth as they come. We talked about 10 minutes or so. I told him that he was going to win the Superbowl in his career and he did 2 years later. 

 

I met the DE for the Giants the same day. The one with the difficult name. I told him I was so happy they beat the Patriots a few months earlier. He asked me if I was a Giants fan. I told him no I just hate the f-ing Patriots. He replied we all f-ing hate the Patriots. 

 

Sorry to kind of go off topic. Him reaching this milestone brought back this great memory. 

 

awesome story, thanks for sharing.

 

 

My favorite non Bills player is road grader Mike Alstott.

 

 

[26CornerBlitz]

 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

Congrats to Drew.  Well deserved 

[BuffaloBillyG]

9 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

I saw a thing the other day that if Andrew Luck has 10 straight 5,000 yard seasons, keep in mind there have been 9 such seasons in NFL history (5 of which belong to Brees), he still won’t catch him. Luck would be 39 at that point!! 

 

Also, Brees isn’t done yet. He’s going to get to 80,000+ yards. That’s the equivalent of 16 5,000 yard seasons. I don’t think we ever see anyone beat that mark.

If he stays healthy and plays until the age of 40-41 and maintain current productivity, Matthew Stafford would have an "outside" shot at beating Brees. Stafford is only 30 and has 36,000+. 

[Kirby Jackson]

10 minutes ago, No Place To Hyde said:

If he stays healthy and plays until the age of 40-41 and maintain current productivity, Matthew Stafford would have an "outside" shot at beating Brees. Stafford is only 30 and has 36,000+. 

It depends where Brees finishes but I agree. If Brees plays another 2 years he’s looking at 80,000. Stafford would need to average 4,000 yards a year for the next 11 seasons. It amounts to 250 a game for 11 more years. That feels like a lot but he’s the one guy with a chance (outside of Brady). It’s the consistency and longevity that make it so tough. Someone mentioned Pete Rose earlier and that’s a great comparison.

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

10 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

Well done Drew Brees!

 

Agreed.  Now Coach McD wants his hands back...

[mannc]

10 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

Exactly--both of these guys will play possible 20 seasons.  No others will achieve this going forward.  

 

 

Nonsense.  If two current QBs are racking up huge numbers into their 40s, why is there “zero chance” that other guys could do the same in the future, especially given the rule changes to protect QBs and help the passing game?  Hell, there are a number of other guys playing right now who might come close—Rodgers, Roethlisberger, Rivers.  No reason to think they are going away any time soon.  Great QBs can play for a loooong time and that’s likely to be even more true in the future.

[Chuck Wagon]

If the story is true he was on the plane to come to Buffalo and the Saints upped their offer, signing him on the tarmac.  

[Mr. WEO]

1 hour ago, mannc said:

Nonsense.  If two current QBs are racking up huge numbers into their 40s, why is there “zero chance” that other guys could do the same in the future, especially given the rule changes to protect QBs and help the passing game?  Hell, there are a number of other guys playing right now who might come close—Rodgers, Roethlisberger, Rivers.  No reason to think they are going away any time soon.  Great QBs can play for a loooong time and that’s likely to be even more true in the future.

 

Rivers and Roethlisberger (and Eli) are 15 years in and are 20,000+ yards behind Brees.  Rodgers is 14 years in the league and is over 30,000 yards behind Bress (and he is slowly falling apart).  Brady won't catch him either.

 

Their only hope of even coming close is if Brees retires today.

 

No chance.

[Nuncha]

Yet another QB that could have been here....

[T master]

11 hours ago, whatdrought said:

It pisses me off that Sabans legacy isn't just "that !@#$ who passed on Drew Brees for Daunte Culpepper."

 

????????????????? ?

[mannc]

4 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

Rivers and Roethlisberger (and Eli) are 15 years in and are 20,000+ yards behind Brees.  Rodgers is 14 years in the league and is over 30,000 yards behind Bress (and he is slowly falling apart).  Brady won't catch him either.

 

Their only hope of even coming close is if Brees retires today.

 

No chance.

Rogers sat the bench for three years.  Otherwise, he’d have a chance.   (Rodgers would also put up better numbers if he played in a dome in the NFC south, like Brees.)

 

 The point is that QBs can play for a very long time in the modern era, and often continue to get better well into their 30s.  There’s no reason to believe that someone like Mahomes or Goff couldn’t duplicate what Brees has done, as incredible as his achievements might seem.

[RobbRiddick]

Brady is such an ego maniac he'll keep playing until he's 60 so he can beat it

[Mr. WEO]

2 hours ago, mannc said:

Rogers sat the bench for three years.  Otherwise, he’d have a chance.   (Rodgers would also put up better numbers if he played in a dome in the NFC south, like Brees.)

 

 The point is that QBs can play for a very long time in the modern era, and often continue to get better well into their 30s.  There’s no reason to believe that someone like Mahomes or Goff couldn’t duplicate what Brees has done, as incredible as his achievements might seem.

 

You can make up all sorts of nonexistent Rodgers stats and wishful scenarios.  He will never reach Brees.  Brees has had 6 seasons over 4800 yards,  Rodgers has a single season over 4500.  They are miles apart.

 

No reason?  Brees and Brady are physical outliers with unnatural durability.  Look at the dropoff after the top 5 in NFL history.  They are the outliers.  You can't just point to 2 guys now (Mahomes has a handful of starts) and say: "yeah, no reason they can't do that too". 

 

 

Ok...

[BuffaloHokie13]

4 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

It depends where Brees finishes but I agree. If Brees plays another 2 years he’s looking at 80,000. Stafford would need to average 4,000 yards a year for the next 11 seasons. It amounts to 250 a game for 11 more years. That feels like a lot but he’s the one guy with a chance (outside of Brady). It’s the consistency and longevity that make it so tough. Someone mentioned Pete Rose earlier and that’s a great comparison.

Assuming he stays together with his head coach, I think the QB that has the best shot at coming close is Jared Goff. Very young, so obviously a lot of projection, but assuming health and McVay are there he's the one I see challenging down the road.

[mannc]

1 minute ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

You can make up all sorts of nonexistent Rodgers stats and wishful scenarios.  He will never reach Brees.  Brees has had 6 seasons over 4800 yards,  Rodgers has a single season over 4500.  They are miles apart.

 

No reason?  Brees and Brady are physical outliers with unnatural durability.  Look at the dropoff after the top 5 in NFL history.  They are the outliers.  You can't just point to 2 guys now (Mahomes has a handful of starts) and say: "yeah, no reason they can't do that too". 

 

 

Ok...

Your original statement was that there is ZERO chance that anyone ever passes Brees on the all-time list.  That's just patently false.  The fact that right now there are two supposed "outliers" playing extremely well into their 40s suggests that it's hardly impossible, which means there is no reason other QBs who are just starting their careers now, like Mahomes and Goff, couldn't do what Brees has done.  Granted, the odds may be against it, but why couldn't someone like Goff, playing under a coach like McVay in a warm weather city like LA, do what Brees has done?  Same with Mahomes, playing on an Andy Reid-coached team with incredible weapons at his disposal.  Or even someone like Mayfield, who's already putting up big number in Cleveland?  Again, the odds are against any one of them doing it, but it's more than possible.  

[row_33]

14 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

The most underrated player of his generation is now the all-time leading passer!! Brees will end up with numbers that will never be touched. I’m not much of a Saints fan but respect the hell out of him.

 

 

who is saying he wasn't all that?

 

 

he will never make my top 5, but that's just due to watching for 45 years and there's been 20 elites I have watched.

 

 

[Kirby Jackson]

20 minutes ago, row_33 said:

 

 

who is saying he wasn't all that?

 

 

he will never make my top 5, but that's just due to watching for 45 years and there's been 20 elites I have watched.

 

 

You kind of said it right there.... When he retires he will have the single season completion percentage record, the all-time completion record, the all-time yardage record, be 1st or 2nd all-time in TDs and have AT LEAST 1 Super Bowl. He has more 5,000 yard seasons than everyone else combined. He will never make your top 5?

Edited October 9, 2018 by Kirby Jackson

[26CornerBlitz]

 

[LSHMEAB]

I didn't realize Brees had ALS. That's a shame.

 

Seriously, that celebration was a bit much. Do you stop the game twice had he also broken the passing TD record? 

 

I found it amazing that THEY found it amazing that the team was focused on winning the game. What the hell do you expect them to focus on?

 

 

[row_33]

2 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

You kind of said it right there.... When he retires he will have the single season completion percentage record, the all-time completion record, the all-time yardage record, be 1st or 2nd all-time in TDs and have AT LEAST 1 Super Bowl. He has more 5,000 yard seasons than everyone else combined. He will never make your top 5?

 

not a hope Brees makes my top 5 QBs of all time.

 

I won't bother with worrying much about compiling #6-10 either, not worth it... lots of great QBs have gone through the game....

 

I could not care less about the single season % completion record, that's a bogus thing to compare QBs from 30 years ago to today's much more conservative passing game.

 

 

 

 

[Kelly the Dog]

1 minute ago, row_33 said:

 

not a hope Brees makes my top 5 QBs of all time.

 

I won't bother with worrying much about compiling #6-10 either, not worth it... lots of great QBs have gone through the game....

 

I could not care less about the single season % completion record, that's a bogus thing to compare QBs from 30 years ago to today's much more conservative passing game.

 

 

 

 

You mean except that he's consistently doing as good or better than QBs you are putting in the top five that played in the exact same era?

[Fadingpain]

The key to Brees' success has obviously been his big, prototypical size and that cannon for an arm.

 

Oh wait.

 

 

[Kirby Jackson]

5 minutes ago, row_33 said:

 

not a hope Brees makes my top 5 QBs of all time.

 

I won't bother with worrying much about compiling #6-10 either, not worth it... lots of great QBs have gone through the game....

 

I could not care less about the single season % completion record, that's a bogus thing to compare QBs from 30 years ago to today's much more conservative passing game.

 

 

 

 

You are making my point for me that he is underrated. He will retire with a better resume than Peyton if he wins another one. I’d bet Peyton has a strong shot at your top 5? Brees is historically underrated.

[Mr. WEO]

2 hours ago, mannc said:

Your original statement was that there is ZERO chance that anyone ever passes Brees on the all-time list.  That's just patently false.  The fact that right now there are two supposed "outliers" playing extremely well into their 40s suggests that it's hardly impossible, which means there is no reason other QBs who are just starting their careers now, like Mahomes and Goff, couldn't do what Brees has done.  Granted, the odds may be against it, but why couldn't someone like Goff, playing under a coach like McVay in a warm weather city like LA, do what Brees has done?  Same with Mahomes, playing on an Andy Reid-coached team with incredible weapons at his disposal.  Or even someone like Mayfield, who's already putting up big number in Cleveland?  Again, the odds are against any one of them doing it, but it's more than possible.  

 

No 40 year old currently playing will pass Brees.

 

Goff and Mahomes would have to play at their current level for 15-17 seasons to catch Brees (and Brees isn't done). How long do you think Reid or McVay will be around?

 

Zero chance.  The number of QBs playing all those games into their 40's in the NFL is tiny.  Picking a few who have had a few good games and saying , "hey, they might do it" isn't consistent with the history of this league. 

 

Zero chance.

[Rico]

The greatest QB to come out of QB U.

 

Congrats Drew!

[Warcodered]

14 minutes ago, Fadingpain said:

The key to Brees' success has obviously been his big, prototypical size and that cannon for an arm.

 

Oh wait.

 

 

Yes and the guy he passed wasn't known for either of those things.

[Augie]

17 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

He’s going to finish his career with the most yards, the most completions, MAYBE the most TDs (at worst 2nd most), and the highest single season completion percentage. It is VERY rare that you hear him in the discussion as the best ever. He belongs in the conversation. He has always been considered below Manning, Brady and Rodgers. I’m not sure that he belongs a tier below. 

 

I just saw Brees’ post-35 year old numbers compared to Brady and Manning......and he’s been better in just about every important stat - except winning percentage and that takes more than one guy. I hope he gets to a couple more SB’s to get some more recognition and because he just seems like a likeable, low key guy. 

[Murdox]

I doubt it is "safe" in the current era of passing and guys entering the draft ever earlier.  4000 yards is the new 3000 yards and likely we will some day soon see a 6000 yard passer (that's still an average of less than 400 yards a game - certainly doable).  Also, Brady is only a season behind and has gone on record stating he wants to play until he is 45.  If he plays 1-2 more seasons than Brees, he will likely pass him.   

 

That said, all this talk on passing yards is a bit meh, in my opinion.  In order to put up a lot of passing yards you need to be a team that throws first and has a bad enough defense to give you an opportunity to keep throwing.  The cards have to fall right.

Edited October 9, 2018 by Murdox

[Jay_Fixit]

29 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said:

I didn't realize Brees had ALS. That's a shame.

 

Seriously, that celebration was a bit much. Do you stop the game twice had he also broken the passing TD record? 

 

I found it amazing that THEY found it amazing that the team was focused on winning the game. What the hell do you expect them to focus on?

 

 

Brees doesn’t have ALS.

[mannc]

15 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

No 40 year old currently playing will pass Brees.

 

Goff and Mahomes would have to play at their current level for 15-17 seasons to catch Brees (and Brees isn't done). How long do you think Reid or McVay will be around?

 

Zero chance.  The number of QBs playing all those games into their 40's in the NFL is tiny.  Picking a few who have had a few good games and saying , "hey, they might do it" isn't consistent with the history of this league. 

 

Zero chance.

Go open a dictionary and look up the word “zero”.  There is more than zero chance.  Until Brees and Brady came along, QBs who were incredibly productive into their 40s weren’t “consistent with the history of this league.”  But now they are, so it’s reasonable to think there will be others. 

 

I don’t think I’d even agree that it’s unlikely that someone will eventually surpass Brees, given the rule changes and the dominant role of passing in the modern NFL.  I just threw out a few names, none of whom you can definitively say are incapable of putting up big numbers for many years, like Brees did...there are undoubtedly others we don’t even know about who might also have a shot.  

Edited October 9, 2018 by mannc

[Kirby Jackson]

54 minutes ago, mannc said:

Go open a dictionary and look up the word “zero”.  There is more than zero chance.  Until Brees and Brady came along, QBs who were incredibly productive into their 40s weren’t “consistent with the history of this league.”  But now they are, so it’s reasonable to think there will be others. 

 

I don’t think I’d even agree that it’s unlikely that someone will eventually surpass Brees, given the rule changes and the dominant role of passing in the modern NFL.  I just threw out a few names, none of whom you can definitively say are incapable of putting up big numbers for many years, like Brees did...there are undoubtedly others we don’t even know about who might also have a shot.  

Brees isn’t in his 40’s.

Edited October 9, 2018 by Kirby Jackson

[Mr. WEO]

1 hour ago, mannc said:

Go open a dictionary and look up the word “zero”.  There is more than zero chance.  Until Brees and Brady came along, QBs who were incredibly productive into their 40s weren’t “consistent with the history of this league.”  But now they are, so it’s reasonable to think there will be others. 

 

I don’t think I’d even agree that it’s unlikely that someone will eventually surpass Brees, given the rule changes and the dominant role of passing in the modern NFL.  I just threw out a few names, none of whom you can definitively say are incapable of putting up big numbers for many years, like Brees did...there are undoubtedly others we don’t even know about who might also have a shot.  

 

Playing nearly every game till 40 is extremely rare for reasons that should be obvious.  Because it has been done does not increase it's likelihood going forward.  

 

Let me try to put this another way:

 

Mahomes, who is playing lights out, has, over 5 games as starter, averaged 303 YPG.  He would have to play 190 more games at that same pace just to match Bress's output in NO.

 

I actually said "zero point zero".  

 

 

Edited October 9, 2018 by Mr. WEO