How we can beat the Packers

[billsredneck1]

3 minutes ago, Comebackkid said:

If we want pressure on Roger's we first need tight coverage on the back end.  Hyde.. Poyer.   Make him rush his throws and pick him off, or hurt him... 

rushing his throws starts up front. trent murphy is gonna wreak havoc like we haven't seen since bryce paup. i am so pumped!!!!!

1 hour ago, Estro said:

If we have success running the ball and stuffing their run game I think it can be a close game.  With that said I think if McCoy plays like he did the first 2 weeks the Bill's will have no chance.  His negative rushes are a killer......he needs to pick it up or be replaced.

with that said i hope dabol don't feel like it should be shady, shady. pass /sack and punt on the first couple of series or we are gonna be in for a long day. go deep and go early.

[aristocrat]

Run the ball hard. Get after Rodgers. Give them zero run game and limit Rodgers to under 275 yards passing 

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

1 hour ago, Steptide said:

Mccoy seems all amped up to go Sunday. Probably partly because he didn't play last week, but I think also because he's a big part of the game plan this week. All I keep hearing is how the packers run d is bad. I think we're gonna try and run the ball doe  their throats. I'd be surprised if we didn't seem some deep throws from Allen too

 

27th against the rush compared to the bills 5th.

 

bills will be pounding the rock

Edited September 29, 2018 by no name

[TigerJ]

Buffalo's defense was able to cover Minnesota's wide receivers early in the play.  That forced Kirk Cousins to hold on to the ball longer than he wanted.  That allowed the defensive line to get lots of pressure on Cousins.  The same formula should work versus the Packers with their banged up offensive line and gimpy legged Aaron Rodgers.  When Green Bay is on defense they are somewhat handicapped by a new defensive coordinator.  Mike Pettine is good.  He comes from the Wrecks Ryan coaching tree, but without the sloppy personal discipline that infected the players.  His defense is quite complicated and is predicated on deception, making the offense think they are going to do something, yet doing something else when the play starts.  The problem for Green Bay is the complexity of the scheme makes it difficult to master.  In just the fourth game of the season Green Bay's players will still be working to figure it all out.  Clay Matthews is still a difference maker, but I don't think he has all that much support. 

[Mat68]

McCoy gets rolling than the offense may be onto something.  Without any real threat outside Allen desperately needs a wr to catch a deep ball to back off the defense.

[JoPar_v2]

Good thoughts OP. Honestly with a gimpy Rodgers, if Hughes and Kyle play like that did last week the Bills have a great shot.

[machine gun kelly]

I asked the same question of Coach Weiss on NFLR yesterday.  He stated some similar opinions that pressure up the middle is critical b/c of Rodgers injury.   He’s just not as mobile as he usually is in games so a good chance to throw him off his game if we push.  I agree with playing press, as he will try and release fast.

 

on offense which OP dint mention too much it’s about the run and ball control.  That can also mean Allen.  We can beat them, not that I think we definitely will, but we have a shot.

[Solomon Grundy]

15 hours ago, John from Riverside said:

Its a Pettine defense

 

Run the ball

 

Then

 

Run it some more

I believe the Pack are gonna try the same. With Rodgers injury and Bills pass rush, they'll try to slow it down with screens and run game. Lots of playaction if able to run effectively 

We'll need Meatball, Star, and Horrible to clog that middle

 

[Rockinon]

12 hours ago, Estro said:

If we have success running the ball and stuffing their run game I think it can be a close game.  With that said I think if McCoy plays like he did the first 2 weeks the Bill's will have no chance.  His negative rushes are a killer......he needs to pick it up or be replaced.

Against a Pettine D.....not a chance.

Edited September 29, 2018 by Rockinon

[Ice bowl 67]

19 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:

 

At this point he will break if you fall on him!

Just don't hurt our QB lol. We need him the rest of the season lol.

[jr1]

tip passes at the line of scrimmage for interception chances

[Marv's Neighbor]

19 hours ago, Fadingpain said:

Why do you say that and how do you know that?

50-50??

[JerseyBills]

Pressure and Turnovers.

If we can get to Rodgers with 4 , like we did with Cousins , I expect our ball hawking secondary to get some picks.

[GunnerBill]

I've watched the all22 from the Packers loss at Washington. Summary of what I saw below:

 

Defense

- the front 4 is good and is active. They play the run on the way to the Quarterback and get penetration - if your back wants to dance in the backfield they will get there and shut you down;

- if you can control that front 4 you can run at will on them because the linebackers lack gap discipline and there are running lanes there;

- they use Clinton-Dix to match up with tight ends a lot;

- the seam is constantly open. It ends up being a single safety look a lot of the time and the safety back there really struggles in coverage and he (and both corners) get very grabby.

 

Offense

- The offensive line is pass protecting reasonably well - though when Jason Spriggs came in for Bulaga in the 2nd half there was a noticeable drop off;

- Their running game really hasn't got going at all - they want to run from shotgun but holes are not opening up and they are relying on their guys to get yards after contact (not unlike Buffalo);

- Rodgers is not only struggling with mobility but he is struggling to really plant that leg and drive the ball deep. I only counted 3 throws attempted over about 15 years and they were all floaty touch pass type of throws rather than balls that rely on velocity;

- the wide receivers are not making the tough catches, and with Rodgers forced to play more from the pocket they are not getting the separation from extended plays that is normally such a big part of their offense. 

[NoHuddleKelly12]

22 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Alas for today's NFL, but it's now "score more points and knock the ball out of Rodger's hands...knock him over, but not too roughly!  don't land on him, he might break!"

Seeing as how we are going up against NFL royalty in Rodgers, the ? will no doubt do everything in their power to defuse our pass rush strength and flag us left and right for breathing in his general direction. Over/under for roughing the passer flags against Jerry?

[Rocky Landing]

9 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

I've watched the all22 from the Packers loss at Washington. Summary of what I saw below:

 

Defense

- the front 4 is good and is active. They play the run on the way to the Quarterback and get penetration - if your back wants to dance in the backfield they will get there and shut you down;

- if you can control that front 4 you can run at will on them because the linebackers lack gap discipline and there are running lanes there;

- they use Clinton-Dix to match up with tight ends a lot;

- the seam is constantly open. It ends up being a single safety look a lot of the time and the safety back there really struggles in coverage and he (and both corners) get very grabby.

 

Offense

- The offensive line is pass protecting reasonably well - though when Jason Spriggs came in for Bulaga in the 2nd half there was a noticeable drop off;

- Their running game really hasn't got going at all - they want to run from shotgun but holes are not opening up and they are relying on their guys to get yards after contact (not unlike Buffalo);

- Rodgers is not only struggling with mobility but he is struggling to really plant that leg and drive the ball deep. I only counted 3 throws attempted over about 15 years and they were all floaty touch pass type of throws rather than balls that rely on velocity;

- the wide receivers are not making the tough catches, and with Rodgers forced to play more from the pocket they are not getting the separation from extended plays that is normally such a big part of their offense. 

The Packers are primarily running a 3-4 defense, no?

[Big Turk]

Just let Clay Matthews come in and tackke Josh Allen all game...the NFL has got it our for him so he will take like 5 or 6 roughing the passer penalties.

[BigDingus]

Have our defense play like they did last week

[GunnerBill]

2 hours ago, Rocky Landing said:

The Packers are primarily running a 3-4 defense, no?

 

It is the Pettine 3-4 under. There are 4 players on the line most snaps. 

[atlbillsfan1975]

16 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

I've watched the all22 from the Packers loss at Washington. Summary of what I saw below:

 

Defense

- the front 4 is good and is active. They play the run on the way to the Quarterback and get penetration - if your back wants to dance in the backfield they will get there and shut you down;

- if you can control that front 4 you can run at will on them because the linebackers lack gap discipline and there are running lanes there;

- they use Clinton-Dix to match up with tight ends a lot;

- the seam is constantly open. It ends up being a single safety look a lot of the time and the safety back there really struggles in coverage and he (and both corners) get very grabby.

 

Offense

- The offensive line is pass protecting reasonably well - though when Jason Spriggs came in for Bulaga in the 2nd half there was a noticeable drop off;

- Their running game really hasn't got going at all - they want to run from shotgun but holes are not opening up and they are relying on their guys to get yards after contact (not unlike Buffalo);

- Rodgers is not only struggling with mobility but he is struggling to really plant that leg and drive the ball deep. I only counted 3 throws attempted over about 15 years and they were all floaty touch pass type of throws rather than balls that rely on velocity;

- the wide receivers are not making the tough catches, and with Rodgers forced to play more from the pocket they are not getting the separation from extended plays that is normally such a big part of their offense. 

Thank you for this.

Question, do you think Ivory is better suited to run behind the line we have? I think McCoy is a superior talent and A great pass catcher. Maybe use McCoy more as a third down back today? This also could help him with snap count as he recovers. 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

Can we?  

 

On any given Sunday 

 

The D needs another monster game 

 

[Jerome007]

8 hours ago, matter2003 said:

Just let Clay Matthews come in and tackke Josh Allen all game...the NFL has got it our for him so he will take like 5 or 6 roughing the passer penalties.

You beat me to it. A few 15 yard freebies would help LOL

[Hapless Bills Fan]

19 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

I've watched the all22 from the Packers loss at Washington. Summary of what I saw below:

 

Defense

- the front 4 is good and is active. They play the run on the way to the Quarterback and get penetration - if your back wants to dance in the backfield they will get there and shut you down;

- if you can control that front 4 you can run at will on them because the linebackers lack gap discipline and there are running lanes there;

- they use Clinton-Dix to match up with tight ends a lot;

- the seam is constantly open. It ends up being a single safety look a lot of the time and the safety back there really struggles in coverage and he (and both corners) get very grabby.

 

Offense

- The offensive line is pass protecting reasonably well - though when Jason Spriggs came in for Bulaga in the 2nd half there was a noticeable drop off;

- Their running game really hasn't got going at all - they want to run from shotgun but holes are not opening up and they are relying on their guys to get yards after contact (not unlike Buffalo);

- Rodgers is not only struggling with mobility but he is struggling to really plant that leg and drive the ball deep. I only counted 3 throws attempted over about 15 years and they were all floaty touch pass type of throws rather than balls that rely on velocity;

- the wide receivers are not making the tough catches, and with Rodgers forced to play more from the pocket they are not getting the separation from extended plays that is normally such a big part of their offense. 

 

Good summary. 

 

3 hours ago, atlbillsfan1975 said:

Thank you for this.

Question, do you think Ivory is better suited to run behind the line we have? I think McCoy is a superior talent and A great pass catcher. Maybe use McCoy more as a third down back today? This also could help him with snap count as he recovers. 

 

I do, yes.  The key is that Ivory isn't running behind our line: he's plunging in and muscling his way to yards, just taking people with him or turning and pushing them back with his legs.  Shady did this on a couple of his more successful short runs against the Chargers, but that would be hell on his ribs.

 

As Gunner says, the Pack lack gap discipline with their LB.  So if our 5 can handle their 4, and Shady has good field vision, he might manage something against them.  I see the run game as our key to success.  The real question is the apparent confusion I've seen on the Bills OL about blocking assignments on run plays.  The one thing the Pack will do well is disguise coverages.  So if our OL can't pick that apart, Shady will get stuffed.

17 minutes ago, Jerome007 said:

You beat me to it. A few 15 yard freebies would help LOL

 

9 hours ago, matter2003 said:

Just let Clay Matthews come in and tackke Josh Allen all game...the NFL has got it our for him so he will take like 5 or 6 roughing the passer penalties.

 

You guys need to think that through a bit more.  A 15 yd freebie ain't exactly free if Allen gets knocked out or hampered for it.  Y'all yearning to see Peterman under center?

[LSHMEAB]

On 9/28/2018 at 5:29 PM, billsredneck1 said:

mcd stands for mc defense...yo.

 

at least we now know he won't stand for any 1990 crap. he's willing to take charge.

 

not to mention, he went to the defensive players before the last game and asked them what would they suggest to make the pass rush better....

and he followed their advice.

Yeah. I didn't mean to knock Lorax. He's one of my favorite players. Just not sure he's got a ton left in the tank, but I know he's the kind of player who will use EVERYTHING he's got left.

[billsredneck1]

3 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said:

Yeah. I didn't mean to knock Lorax. He's one of my favorite players. Just not sure he's got a ton left in the tank, but I know he's the kind of player who will use EVERYTHING he's got left.

i predicted before the season that we will end up with 3 double digit sack guys. hughes / murphy and lorax. trent will get better each week.

 

how do you defend 2 ends like that?...with both commanding double teams?  it is gonna be fun to watch.

[Rocky Landing]

6 minutes ago, billsredneck1 said:

i predicted before the season that we will end up with 3 double digit sack guys. hughes / murphy and lorax. trent will get better each week.

 

how do you defend 2 ends like that?...with both commanding double teams?  it is gonna be fun to watch.

Maybe add Milano to that list.

3 hours ago, atlbillsfan1975 said:

Thank you for this.

Question, do you think Ivory is better suited to run behind the line we have? I think McCoy is a superior talent and A great pass catcher. Maybe use McCoy more as a third down back today? This also could help him with snap count as he recovers. 

Ivory has reliable hands, as well. I wonder if we don't see them both on the field on some plays?

[LSHMEAB]

Just now, Rocky Landing said:

Maybe add Milano to that list.

 

Absolutely. Milano just makes plays. Not the biggest guy or the fastest guy, but he always seems to be around the ball.

[Rocky Landing]

19 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said:

Yeah. I didn't mean to knock Lorax. He's one of my favorite players. Just not sure he's got a ton left in the tank, but I know he's the kind of player who will use EVERYTHING he's got left.

Lorax was incredible last week.

[billsredneck1]

Just now, Rocky Landing said:

Maybe add Milano to that list.

yeah, i didn't take the time to mention milano, edmunds and eddie as contributors to our 40 something sack total.  i think we led the league in sacks under pettine.

when it's all said and done we should easily be in the top 5 in that cat.  toss in a couple from kyle and harry.....

[Rocky Landing]

54 minutes ago, Jerome007 said:

You beat me to it. A few 15 yard freebies would help LOL

I know you guys are just kidding around, but Mathews is a really smart guy. His public confusion on the topic notwithstanding, I'm sure he has the tackling issues worked out. He's going to be our biggest concern on their D, IMO. AS Pettine favors an interior pass rush, he will be attacking whatever gap Miller gives him. Miller, Bodine, and Mills are going to need a good game today.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

31 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said:

Yeah. I didn't mean to knock Lorax. He's one of my favorite players. Just not sure he's got a ton left in the tank, but I know he's the kind of player who will use EVERYTHING he's got left.

 

Did you see that GMFB interview with Lorax and Steve Smith?  It was hysterical.  Right from the start, asked his favorite position: "LB.....trying to chase down guys like Steve Smith (pointing)".  (It turns out Smith and Zo married women who were college roommates and their exchange about what that means when they get together is classic).  Anyway one of the more interesting segments is about 7 minutes in, after 'Zo talks about some of the stuff he does to "get right" and keep playing like Pilates (he's an instructor) and dry or deep acupuncture, when 'Zo is asked if that influences the younger guys:

 

Zo: "Not really, they still young and dumb"

Smith: "They don't have to because they're young.  They roll out of bed.  We roll out of bed, you go  uh, Nuh uh.  Uh, I need that dry needle today! "

but then talking about how one reason 'Zo has played that long is because he's comfortable in his skin saying "I don't know that, let me go find out" and talking to great players like London Fletcher and he (Smith) is taking notes going "OK flanking drive, Don't do THAT"

 

Great interview, it was posted here back when it came out but worth another listen.  Great camaraderie and exchanges, and very informative about why some players who start out evaluated as lower talent wind up outplaying their higher-roud peers:

pic.twitter.com/RCv7p5sxAy

[LSHMEAB]

1 minute ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Did you see that GMFB interview with Lorax and Steve Smith?  It was hysterical.  Right from the start, asked his favorite position: "LB.....trying to chase down guys like Steve Smith (pointing)".  (It turns out Smith and Zo married women who were college roommates and their exchange about what that means when they get together is classic).  Anyway one of the more interesting segments is about 7 minutes in, after 'Zo talks about some of the stuff he does to "get right" and keep playing like Pilates (he's an instructor) and dry or deep acupuncture, when 'Zo is asked if that influences the younger guys:

 

Zo: "Not really, they still young and dumb"

Smith: "They don't have to because they're young.  They roll out of bed.  We roll out of bed, you go "uh, Nuh uh.  Uh, I need that dry needle today! "

but then talking about how one reason 'Zo has played that long is because he's comfortable in his skin saying "I don't know that, let me go find out" and talking to great players like London Fletcher

 

Great interview, it was posted here back when it came out but worth another listen:

pic.twitter.com/RCv7p5sxAy

I saw that. I think Lorax has a career in television when he hangs em up. Very entertaining/thoughtful human being.

 

Just a great story all around of a guy playing his best football late in his career. I'm glad he's on our side!

[ColoradoBills]

25 minutes ago, Rocky Landing said:

Maybe add Milano to that list.

Ivory has reliable hands, as well. I wonder if we don't see them both on the field on some plays?

 

I wonder the same thing.

[frostbitmic]

We need one of the members here to put down 5K on the Packers ... It worked for us last week.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

Keep Rodgers off of the field.  

 

 

[Rockinon]

I know everyone wants to see our new QB throw. Like having the keys to a brand new car, you want to drive, dammit.  But GB has the 27th ranked run defense. This is a game where we need to pound the rock.  Not saying we won't pass, but getting a good mixing of rushing downs in could really cripple this defense.  This is a perfect opponent to establish a run game and then go over the top with the pass.