Did Vontae Davis retire at halftime? Yes, yes he did!

[SouthNYfan]

1 minute ago, Boyst62 said:

@YoloinOhio. Lil help?

 

I messaged you and someone else I won't throw out there a week ish ago.

 

 

Yeah, I'd like to see confirmation that you said VONTAE DAVIS WAS GOING TO RETIRE AT HALFTIME OF THE CHARGERS GAME.

[Cheektowaga Chad]

Wouldnt he go on a retired/active player and not count against the cap?

 

 

He will get paid but shouldnt count against the cap

Edited September 16, 2018 by Cheektowaga Chad

[DC Tom]

3 minutes ago, Ittakestime said:

 

Sorry, I'm too busying blocking out the haters to hear what you are trying to spew. 

 

Good for you.  Have another cookie, you special guy.

[boyst]

Just now, SouthNYfan said:

 

Yeah, I'd like to see confirmation that you said VONTAE DAVIS WAS GOING TO RETIRE AT HALFTIME OF THE CHARGERS GAME.

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Boyst62  1,226

Started conversation: September 9

heard vontae might be on his way off the team; lack of ability, lack of desire, lack of fire.

 

he is too far gone is the read i got.

 

bills looking around for other options to get a cb for depth/options

 

 

......

That's what I told him. And later used the words anquan boldin of 2018....  

[B Fan in LA]

 

Pretty strange....................but when you gotta go..............you gotta GO GO GO !

 

[SouthNYfan]

1 minute ago, Boyst62 said:

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Boyst62  1,226

Started conversation: September 9

heard vontae might be on his way off the team; lack of ability, lack of desire, lack of fire.

 

he is too far gone is the read i got.

 

bills looking around for other options to get a cb for depth/options

 

 

......

That's what I told him. And later used the words anquan boldin of 2018....  

 

Not the same as "he's going to just mid drop and retire AT HALFTIME OF THE CHARGERS GAME"

[Billsfanatic8989]

Anybody want to try and defend this guy? That's inexcusable. It's disrespectful to your fans, organization, and even the league as a whole. He won't find another job.

[Peter]

5 minutes ago, Rico said:

That's worse than Ruben Brown, !@#$ him.

 

???

[Cripple Creek]

28 minutes ago, DC Tom said:

Retired?  In the middle of a game? 

 

I've gotta say...I came into the season with the expectation that this team would be laughable.  Literally, so bad they'd be comedic.  So I'm not exactly disappointed.   But this?  This is more hilarious than I ever could have anticipated.

I think he's under the couch, just a simple misunderstanding.

[Buftex]

56 minutes ago, McNubbins said:

Unreal.  Anquan last year and now Vontae.

At least Boldin didn't do it in the middle of a game...

[DC Tom]

Just now, Cheektowaga Chad said:

Wouldnt he go on a retired/active plater and not count against the cap?

 

 

He will get paid but shouldnt count against the cap

 

I finally found how it works: retiring mid-season works the same as being cut mid-season, for cap purposes.  The difference is that, if a player retires the team can go to arbitration to request the remaining cap hit be "refunded" - pro-rated salary and signing bonus, roster and workout bonus remain with the player, I believe.  

 

So Davis would still have a $4M cap hit being retired...but the Bills could claim relief for 7/8 or 29/32 (not sure if you can request a half-game refund) of his signing bonus plus guaranteed salary - call it three and a quarter million.  Can't see the Bills losing that arbitration against a guy that walks out mid-game...so ultimately, his cap hit becomes just shy of a million.

[boyst]

1 minute ago, SouthNYfan said:

 

Not the same as "he's going to just mid drop and retire AT HALFTIME OF THE CHARGERS GAME"

But I did say retire within a few weeks.

 

I got nothing to prove to you.  What's your point anyway?  Just trying to be a jerk or nothing else better to do?

[The Frankish Reich]

47 minutes ago, BillsEnthusiast said:

 

Who's robinson again? Also Richie is a special case. 

He certainly is. I like how absolutely nobody (including Richie) even bothers to mention the stated reason for his sudden retirement: serious kidney and liver deterioration. It's almost as if that was a lie or something.

[ColoradoBills]

6 minutes ago, DC Tom said:

 

That's not right.  His signing bonus, roster bonus, and workout bonus are paid out.  His salary is guaranteed...but I can't find out if that guarantee holds if a player retires 1.5 games in to the season.  And even if it does, that doesn't add up to all $5M.  More like $4M and change.

 

1 million was in incentives.  That's why the Dead Cap is 4 million.

I looked around for a precedent in "retiring" mid season but can't find one.

 

I'm pretty sure the Bills on stuck with 4 million in Dead Cap.  There may be a way through arbitration to get more back

but I don't think so.  That "arbitration" thing is usually used to get back future signing bonus money owed.

 

If Bills take the 4 million hit they are the ALL-TIME DEAD MONEY CHAMPIONS.

[MAJBobby]

1 minute ago, DC Tom said:

 

I finally found how it works: retiring mid-season works the same as being cut mid-season, for cap purposes.  The difference is that, if a player retires the team can go to arbitration to request the remaining cap hit be "refunded" - pro-rated salary and signing bonus, roster and workout bonus remain with the player, I believe.  

 

So Davis would still have a $4M cap hit being retired...but the Bills could claim relief for 7/8 or 29/32 (not sure if you can request a half-game refund) of his signing bonus plus guaranteed salary - call it three and a quarter million.  Can't see the Bills losing that arbitration against a guy that walks out mid-game...so ultimately, his cap hit becomes just shy of a million.

 

I thought that relief comes next season. Because arbitration will take awhile anyway

[The Red King]

1 minute ago, The Frankish Reich said:

He certainly is. I like how absolutely nobody (including Richie) even bothers to mention the stated reason for his sudden retirement: serious kidney and liver deterioration. It's almost as if that was a lie or something.

 

I mentioned that several times last week, actually.  Because lying about medical issues to get out of contracts is A-OK.

[BringBackOrton]

2 minutes ago, Boyst62 said:

But I did say retire within a few weeks.

 

I got nothing to prove to you.  What's your point anyway?  Just trying to be a jerk or nothing else better to do?

PM me the story jb.

[rpmfla]

So without Vontae the Bills become the 9th oldest team instead of the 7th?

[HalftimeAdjustment]

Look we are destined for the dead cap championship. Which means we have the lowest spending on actual players in the league right?

[Peter]

Just now, rpmfla said:

So without Vontae the Bills become the 9th oldest team instead of the 7th?

 

It is part of the process.

[boyst]

Just now, BringBackOrton said:

PM me the story jb.

Wasn't a story. Just a few words mentioned in a greater conversation about bills.  Didn't think much of it, but believed it. 

 

Basically, the guy has bee. So banged up and away from football he had no fire, drive, or stamina to focus for a game.  He lost the edge, he was done physically and they didn't feel he'd push himself to keep playing.

[HalftimeAdjustment]

1 minute ago, rpmfla said:

So without Vontae the Bills become the 9th oldest team instead of the 7th?

Depends who we sign to fill the open slot.

[DC Tom]

3 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

 

I thought that relief comes next season. Because arbitration will take awhile anyway

 

Depends on when they can get the arbitration done, I guess.  But what I read was pretty clear: retired = cut, with the difference being the "Barry Sanders rule" that allows arbitration to recoup guaranteed money already paid out.

 

I should add that it's not clear whether or not he gets to keep the money.  "Cash" and "cap hit" aren't even remotely the same thing.  Trust a league that can't even define "catch" to come up with accounting rules so byzantine.

Edited September 16, 2018 by DC Tom

[Socal-805]

I wish I could have QUIT at halftime.

[YoloinOhio]

10 minutes ago, SouthNYfan said:

 

Yeah, I'd like to see confirmation that you said VONTAE DAVIS WAS GOING TO RETIRE AT HALFTIME OF THE CHARGERS GAME.

He told me before the Ravens game that Davis was going to retire 

[BringBackOrton]

1 minute ago, Boyst62 said:

Wasn't a story. Just a few words mentioned in a greater conversation about bills.  Didn't think much of it, but believed it. 

 

Basically, the guy has bee. So banged up and away from football he had no fire, drive, or stamina to focus for a game.  He lost the edge, he was done physically and they didn't feel he'd push himself to keep playing.

Makes sense.

[Fadingpain]

Just now, Socal-805 said:

I wish I could have QUIT at halftime.

Never thought about that, but "I can't quit you baby" should be the official Bills fan song.

 

 

[Rico]

8 minutes ago, Peter said:

 

???

Quit on the team before the last game of the 2003 season. !@#$ him too.

[YoloinOhio]

 

[Socal-805]

../ good signing.

[Bob in STL]

9 minutes ago, Billsfanatic8989 said:

Anybody want to try and defend this guy? That's inexcusable. It's disrespectful to your fans, organization, and even the league as a whole. He won't find another job.

you forgot about disrespectful to your teammates which is worst of all. 

 

Just wait, by tomorrow he will say this is all a misunderstanding and then claim an injury.    Whatever it takes to get paid. 

 

 

[Peter]

1 minute ago, Rico said:

Quit on the team before the last game of the 2003 season. !@#$ him too.

 

Maybe I am getting old, but I just don't remember that.  If you say it happened, I am sure it did, but I just don't remember.

[Dr.Sack]

Davis probably injured his pride. 

[26CornerBlitz]

 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

11 minutes ago, DC Tom said:

 

I finally found how it works: retiring mid-season works the same as being cut mid-season, for cap purposes.  The difference is that, if a player retires the team can go to arbitration to request the remaining cap hit be "refunded" - pro-rated salary and signing bonus, roster and workout bonus remain with the player, I believe.  

 

So Davis would still have a $4M cap hit being retired...but the Bills could claim relief for 7/8 or 29/32 (not sure if you can request a half-game refund) of his signing bonus plus guaranteed salary - call it three and a quarter million.  Can't see the Bills losing that arbitration against a guy that walks out mid-game...so ultimately, his cap hit becomes just shy of a million.

 

I always knew your math skills would prove useful at some point.

 

[YoloinOhio]

 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

10 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

I thought that relief comes next season. Because arbitration will take awhile anyway

 

No, if there’s a situation with a player (eg player is suspended) I’m pretty sure the cap relief goes on this year’s cap.

I also think in this case the arbitration is pretty much a formality and won’t take long.  Neither the NFL nor the NFLPA want to encourage players to quit like that.

 

 

[Fadingpain]

32 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

 

When you look how a majority of NFL players are me first guys. Yes I can understand it. Agree with it is different than understanding where the decision likely comes from. 

It's partially this, partially the fact that the decision was heavily influenced by emotion (I assume) and we don't know what happened at half time as well.

 

Like was Vontae provoked or called out by anyone?  Maybe. We don't know.

 

Whatever.  This is another lost Bills season and Davis was at the end of the line anyway.

 

None of this really matters.  Still a funny story and so damned Billsy.

 

The national media will be feasting on this in the coming week.

 

 

[Rico]

2 minutes ago, Peter said:

 

Maybe I am getting old, but I just don't remember that.  If you say it happened, I am sure it did, but I just don't remember.

There may be better links out there, but here's the first one I found:

http://www.billsbackers.com/122703.htm

Ruben Brown A No-Show

Another element came to light before the game with the Patriots when it was announced that Ruben Brown was "excused" from the game. Bills coach Gregg Williams said that "personal reasons" were the factors that determined that they would allow him to miss his first game after playing 71 straight. Bills GM Tom Donahoe emphasized that Brown was not suspended, but "inactive."

Rumors have come out of One Bills Drive that Brown was unhappy with Bills offensive coordinator Kevin Gilbride and the play calling all season. In fact, one source claimed that Brown confronted Gilbride during the week. Brown did not practice all week with the Bills and said on his radio show early in the week that it would have been hard for him to get motivated playing the last game of the season.

This comes at a time when the Bills needed some final stand, one last show of support for not only their coach, who is likely to get fired next week, but also for pride. What Brown did to the Bills and his teammates was to abandon ship. He had enough of the coaching staff and decided to make a statement to everyone by quitting on the team. Brown, who was voted to the Pro Bowl for the 8th straight year, may have played his last game in a Bills uniform last week against Miami.

[YoloinOhio]