LABILLBACKER Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 The guy's a timebomb. Hey Bill, tic tic tic tic.... On 9/10/2018 at 8:51 AM, Figster said: No coach should want to ruin a players confidence or trade value IMO. The way this scenario might play out two players could become damaged goods before all is said and done in my humble opinion. The team itself is not ready for Allen, but Buffalo doesn't have another option. If Beane pushed for the McCarron trade and the way he talked his pro's pro up it wouldn't surprise me, I would be close to sending the beane head packing especially considering the neglected Oline when you knew a 1st round rookie was being drafted. Gruden is laughing his ass off right about now. Thanks OP for an enjoyable read as always, much appreciated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frostbitmic Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 5 minutes ago, Chicken Boo said: How does this continue to happen?! Nobody learned from the Moss trade? Not a process guy, eh? The league demands it. They want Brady to win his 6th Super Bowl and are pissed after the Eagles ruined their plans last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 He wanted out of Cleveland for a reason. I don’t think Buffalo was a good fit. When Brady retires after this year and the Pats stink, he will want out of NE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HamSandwhich Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 8 hours ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: Sure man. At school me point you’re at last chance saloon. What? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 Will be one extreme or the other. Either Brady and Belicheat will finally get the kid to listen, or the pressure put on him will cause him to seek his demons more quickly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 I predict that it is not gonna work out...and they will cut him. The man has issues Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 2 hours ago, MAJBobby said: Just patting my lack of Football knowledge on the back a bit. I bet you can diagram a play like you diagram a sentence... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanNH Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 20 minutes ago, frostbitmic said: The league demands it. They want Brady to win his 6th Super Bowl and are pissed after the Eagles ruined their plans last year. You mean BB right? Since he was the one didn’t start Butler. And well the Eagles D blew as bad as the Patriots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 32 minutes ago, Chicken Boo said: How does this continue to happen?! Nobody learned from the Moss trade? Not a process guy, eh? Randy Moss. LOL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 Did he sign yet? Someone should let Gordon know that you can't buy liquor before 10 AM on Sundays in Mass... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 7 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: Did he sign yet? Someone should let Gordon know that you can't buy liquor before 10 AM on Sundays in Mass... His weed dealer probably has extra stock for those off-hours. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reks Ryan Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 We can have Corey Coleman back now. What really stinks is that Cleveland threw in a conditional 7th round pick to close the deal. It was nice of Beane to send a 7th rounder for 2 weeks of practice from Coleman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthNYfan Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 55 minutes ago, Doc said: Randy Moss. LOL. right? moss is legit top 3-5 WR all time, maybe the most talented ever. gordon is... well... yeah... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 1 hour ago, LABILLBACKER said: The guy's a timebomb. Hey Bill, tic tic tic tic.... They will put him with Bradys Trainer and he will never fail any type of test Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Domdab99 Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 lol you guys are funny. Gordon hasn't done a damn thing in FIVE years. If he does well with the Pats, good for him. I'm not holding my breath. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formerly Allan in MD Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 Wait til Josh hears the straight and narrow from Belichik, and determines he means it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 Gordon doesn't fit what Beane and McD want around here. This guy just missed all of preseason dealing with his struggles with his addictions. He is a high risk player at this point who is one tiny slip up from being out of the league at least a full season, if not forever. And even though on a short leash with his own team, he still was coming late to meetings. I would love to have taken a chance on him from a talent perspective, but from inside the Front Office, pursuing Josh made little sense. Pats, BB, and Brady are a perfect situation for Josh to hopefully get his career back on track. If he cant get right there, he won't work anywhere. But Buffalo was not going to be as nearly a good situation for him. Rookie QB behind a terrible OL with terrible other receiving weapons. Might be a lot more work to keep this guy on the right path if he is playing in a frustrating situation like he was in Cleveland. I dont blame Beane at all for not trading away a much needed asset right now a guy that has a ton of risk around him at all times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 5 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: Gordon doesn't fit what Beane and McD want around here. This guy just missed all of preseason dealing with his struggles with his addictions. He is a high risk player at this point who is one tiny slip up from being out of the league at least a full season, if not forever. And even though on a short leash with his own team, he still was coming late to meetings. I would love to have taken a chance on him from a talent perspective, but from inside the Front Office, pursuing Josh made little sense. Pats, BB, and Brady are a perfect situation for Josh to hopefully get his career back on track. If he cant get right there, he won't work anywhere. But Buffalo was not going to be as nearly a good situation for him. Rookie QB behind a terrible OL with terrible other receiving weapons. Might be a lot more work to keep this guy on the right path if he is playing in a frustrating situation like he was in Cleveland. I dont blame Beane at all for not trading away a much needed asset right now a guy that has a ton of risk around him at all times. Explain the trade for Corey Coleman and the reported interest in Martavis Bryant if that's the case. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlayoffsPlease Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 47 minutes ago, Doc said: His weed dealer probably has extra stock for those off-hours. recreational marijuana is legal in Mass. now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 We need Josh Gordon like Chris Christie needs food. How the !@#$ we missed out again I couldn't !@#$ing tell you. The Bills are pathetic and comical. Same old Bills. Maybe next decade they will be decent. Or maybe the decade after that. No guarantees Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 His number is taken with the Cheaters. Can he wear 420? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthNYfan Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 (edited) 5 minutes ago, PlayoffsPlease said: recreational marijuana is legal in Mass. now. except it doesn't come with employment protection, and most states don't even have that for medicinial Edited September 18, 2018 by SouthNYfan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 2 minutes ago, SouthNYfan said: except it doesn't come with employment protection, and most states don't even have that for medicinial A lot of posters keep confusing law with employment contracts... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 8 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Explain the trade for Corey Coleman and the reported interest in Martavis Bryant if that's the case. Huh...Explain what? Neither guy at the time of interest or trade is even remotely comparable to the case of Gordon. So let me flip it around, explain to me why after having clear interest in trading for Bryant (BEFORE he got in more trouble), why didn't they claim him on waivers earlier this month when they could have gotten him free? (Hint: Because his situation got worse). Gordon is literally an ill timed fart in an elevator away from being permanently out of the league, literally just missed an entire preseason to deal with his on going addiction struggles, and was now being given up on by the team that stood by him through all of it because now he was also not adhering to team rules despite being on a last straw short leash with said team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 17 minutes ago, Domdab99 said: lol you guys are funny. Gordon hasn't done a damn thing in FIVE years. If he does well with the Pats, good for him. I'm not holding my breath. 4 years ago he put up 1600+ yards in 14 games. heck, last year he put up 336 yards in 5 games at 18.6 yards per catch. Zay is currently our only wr pacing ahead of that for a 16 game season. Is benjamin our only WR that’s done anything in the last 5 years? You wouldn’t swap a 5 for a 7 to get this guy for $690k 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 Just now, NoSaint said: 4 years ago he put up 1600+ yards in 14 games. heck, last year he put up 336 yards in 5 games at 18.6 yards per catch. Zay is currently our only wr pacing ahead of that for a 16 game season. Is benjamin our only WR that’s done anything in the last 5 years? You wouldn’t swap a 5 for a 7 to get this guy for $690k Julio Jones, Antonio Brown, AJ Green. not too many other WRs belong in same level. Josh Gordon is that level. Number 1 WR are rarer than rare. And we not only dropped the ball on Josh, we lost out to our enemy. Same old Bills, Same old Pats Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 4 minutes ago, NoSaint said: 4 years ago he put up 1600+ yards in 14 games. heck, last year he put up 336 yards in 5 games at 18.6 yards per catch. Zay is currently our only wr pacing ahead of that for a 16 game season. Is benjamin our only WR that’s done anything in the last 5 years? You wouldn’t swap a 5 for a 7 to get this guy for $690k True. He could be great...for 5 games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 Just now, Pete said: Julio Jones, Antonio Brown, AJ Green. not too many other WRs belong in same level. Josh Gordon is that level. Number 1 WR are rarer than rare. And we not only dropped the ball on Josh, we lost out to our enemy. Same old Bills, Same old Pats Even if he flops, there’s literally no downside for them is the thing that bugs me most. What’s the gap in talent from pick 172 to 217 (or whatever they end up)? That and a league minimum contract are the cost. Just now, Doc said: True. He could be great...for 5 games. At that price and return, we’d have won the trade handily. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrod's friend Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 1 minute ago, Doc said: True. He could be great...for 5 games. If he's great for five games, that would be just about enough to make the difference in getting your team to the playoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Domdab99 Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 6 minutes ago, NoSaint said: 4 years ago he put up 1600+ yards in 14 games. heck, last year he put up 336 yards in 5 games at 18.6 yards per catch. Zay is currently our only wr pacing ahead of that for a 16 game season. Is benjamin our only WR that’s done anything in the last 5 years? You wouldn’t swap a 5 for a 7 to get this guy for $690k I'm not saying our receivers are any good. Only that I don't think whining about missing out on a head case is worth the effort. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 4 minutes ago, Pete said: Julio Jones, Antonio Brown, AJ Green. not too many other WRs belong in same level. Josh Gordon is that level. Number 1 WR are rarer than rare. And we not only dropped the ball on Josh, we lost out to our enemy. Same old Bills, Same old Pats Gordon did it once several years ago. Therefore he can't be considered equal to guys who do it every week every year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 6 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: Huh...Explain what? Neither guy at the time of interest or trade is even remotely comparable to the case of Gordon. So let me flip it around, explain to me why after having clear interest in trading for Bryant (BEFORE he got in more trouble), why didn't they claim him on waivers earlier this month when they could have gotten him free? (Hint: Because his situation got worse). Gordon is literally an ill timed fart in an elevator away from being permanently out of the league, literally just missed an entire preseason to deal with his on going addiction struggles, and was now being given up on by the team that stood by him through all of it because now he was also not adhering to team rules despite being on a last straw short leash with said team. Low risk high reward cost controlled player who's extremely talented. I take that shot every time. Nothing ventured, nothing gained. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 2 minutes ago, NoSaint said: Even if he flops, there’s literally no downside for them is the thing that bugs me most. What’s the gap in talent from pick 172 to 217 (or whatever they end up)? That and a league minimum contract are the cost. If he flops? He couldn't even make it to week 2 in his latest recovery odyssey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 1 minute ago, Mr. WEO said: Gordon did it once several years ago. Therefore he can't be considered equal to guys who do it every week every year. Did you watch Josh last season? How about week 1? He made a great TD catch. When the hell was the last time a Bills WR made a play? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 Just now, Pete said: Did you watch Josh last season? How about week 1? He made a great TD catch. When the hell was the last time a Bills WR made a play? That's nice. So what? He can' finish a season. Not even close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlayoffsPlease Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 13 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: A lot of posters keep confusing law with employment contracts... Lighten up Francis. The pot comment was in response to an inane comment about the times that liquor stores open on Sundays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 4 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: If he flops? He couldn't even make it to week 2 in his latest recovery odyssey. So far we have that he was late to a meeting. I’m not saying make him a cornerstone player weo. If he’s still violating substance rules, different story but again even then the cost is like 60 day three draft slots and half of what we paid kerley for week 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 (edited) 2 minutes ago, NoSaint said: So far we have that he was late to a meeting. I’m not saying make him a cornerstone player weo. If he’s still violating substance rules, different story but again even then the cost is like 60 day three draft slots and half of what we paid kerley for week 1 I understand the cost analysis, but this guy will never play a full season again. Even last year, he had one TD. He caught a bunch of bombs but he had games where he caught 25-50% of his targets. His YPC is the only thing he has to show for 5 games of work. And I don't think that the Browns, who have gone above and beyond to get him to test negative, would suddenly and unexpectedly get rid of him., Does anyone really believe that they said, "yes we have been patient with your addition and endless suspensions....but WE DRAW THE LINE AT NONFOOTBALL MUSCLE STRAINS!" Edited September 18, 2018 by Mr. WEO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 1 minute ago, Mr. WEO said: That's nice. So what? He can' finish a season. Not even close. In 5 games, an out of shape Josh Gordon had 18 catches for 18.1 yards a catch. His 335 yards in 5 games is more thant Zay Kelvin, Jordan and the other clown WR s had all year 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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